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Actor
01-09-2017, 04:55 PM
I'm wondering if anyone here is following the Religious thread. If so do you realize what's been happening there for the last couple of days?

LottaKash
01-09-2017, 05:46 PM
I'm wondering if anyone here is following the Religious thread. If so do you realize what's been happening there for the last couple of days?

Some guy has a knife... :D

traynor
01-09-2017, 08:04 PM
I'm wondering if anyone here is following the Religious thread. If so do you realize what's been happening there for the last couple of days?

No. Is something happening there? And why should that matter to anyone reading a computer thread? Or--perhaps more interesting--why do you think it should matter (to anyone reading a computer thread)?

Actor
01-09-2017, 09:03 PM
No. Is something happening there?Yes. Something is happening there!
And why should that matter to anyone reading a computer thread? Or--perhaps more interesting--why do you think it should matter (to anyone reading a computer thread)?Have you ever heard of the Turing Test? :cool:

DeltaLover
01-09-2017, 10:10 PM
Yes. Something is happening there!
Have you ever heard of the Turing Test? :cool:

:bang: :bang:

Greyfox
01-09-2017, 10:19 PM
Could anyone who starts a thread about another thread be...well....losing it? :confused:

traynor
01-10-2017, 03:03 AM
Could anyone who starts a thread about another thread be...well....losing it? :confused:

An interesting question. Reminds me of a university class a few years back, in which the instructor asked, "Anyone currently in a relationship?" Then, "Anyone WANT to be in a relationship?" At which point the young lady sitting next to me started bouncing up and down, waving her arms, and shouting, "I do! I do!" In an auditorium with something like 300 students. The quest for attention can often take a strange and wondrous (as well as a bit comical) path through life.

traynor
01-10-2017, 03:08 AM
Yes. Something is happening there!
Have you ever heard of the Turing Test? :cool:

Is that a rhetorical question?

Actor
01-10-2017, 04:27 AM
Is that a rhetorical question?No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

traynor
01-10-2017, 11:42 AM
No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

I am still at a lost as to why anyone would think that a person reading a computer thread would be interested in postings on a "religious" thread. If the postings had any relevance to computers, wouldn't they be posted on a computer thread (rather than on a "religious" thread)? And if they are not relevant to computers, why would a person reading a computer thread be interested?

I don't really care what anyone does or does not post on a "religious" thread. I am more curious why anyone would think it (apparently) necessary to "direct traffic" in a particular direction for no (apparent) reason. Anyone who cared about, or was even slightly interested in, postings on a "religious" thread would already know all about "what has been going on there."

Oh, well. Back to refactoring.

MONEY
01-10-2017, 02:02 PM
I am still at a lost as to why anyone would think that a person reading a computer thread would be interested in postings on a "religious" thread.

It is simple, Actor was using a computer to reply to Boxcar's posts in the religious thread.

He thought that it was clever of him to fool Boxcar into arguing with a computer for two days.

Just like a child using the potty by him/herself for the very 1st time, Actor wanted all to go see what he had done.

Actor
01-10-2017, 02:39 PM
It is simple, Actor was using a computer to reply to Boxcar's posts in the religious thread.

He thought that it was clever of him to fool Boxcar into arguing with a computer for two days.

Just like a child using the potty by him/herself for the very 1st time, Actor wanted all to go see what he had done.Close, but it's more than just being clever. It's an experiment to see if boxcar can figure out that he's not talking to a human. Its ultimate purpose is to make a point.

I had intended to run the experiment for a month or until boxcar figured it out, whichever came first. However, the experiment has taken a path that I had not anticipated, although maybe I should have. boxcar seems to be getting quite agitated.

My reason for this thread is to ask if it's time to pull the plug and let boxcar know what's going on. Obviously I cannot ask that on the religious thread since boxcar would see it and the experiment would automatically be over.

traynor
01-10-2017, 05:46 PM
Close, but it's more than just being clever. It's an experiment to see if boxcar can figure out that he's not talking to a human. Its ultimate purpose is to make a point.

I had intended to run the experiment for a month or until boxcar figured it out, whichever came first. However, the experiment has taken a path that I had not anticipated, although maybe I should have. boxcar seems to be getting quite agitated.

My reason for this thread is to ask if it's time to pull the plug and let boxcar know what's going on. Obviously I cannot ask that on the religious thread since boxcar would see it and the experiment would automatically be over.

And is that typical of the reasons (and reasoning) evident on the "religious" thread(s)? Why would you consider soliciting (apparently) the opinions of those who have no interest whatsoever in what you are doing as to whether or not you should continue doing it? That seems more than a little peculiar.

highnote
03-12-2017, 06:56 PM
If nothing else, this thread will make me look at the religious thread.

PA will be happy. More eyeball time on his site.

VigorsTheGrey
03-14-2017, 12:56 AM
Which post numbers did the computer "dialogue" begin...? I'd like to evaluate the sequence just for fun...

Actor
03-15-2017, 11:13 PM
Which post numbers did the computer "dialogue" begin...? I'd like to evaluate the sequence just for fun...
#28213 to 28234.

VigorsTheGrey
03-16-2017, 02:42 AM
#28213 to 28234.

Interesting dialogue....I remember following along and thought your (Roger)words somewhat OFF or ODD....I had never heard you speak in this manner and was somewhat confused....your syntax and pronoun choice had errors in it and....if addressed to me I would have asked for a clarification that made sense to me, the next reply would have demonstrated that you(Roger) was not a sincere actor (no pun intended) BUT I would not have thought that I was talking to a computer, just a jerk....

...what worried me was the whole knife part of the dialogue, since it is so uncharacteristic of Actor to be violent, or threatening....I really didn't know what to think at that point... AND I stopped reading the thread at that point being somewhat disgusted with how you TWO were behaving to each other.....too bad you didn't carry on the experiment further as it seemed Boxcar was a tad flustered by the psuedo- threat of the cutlery invoked.....how and why did "knife" enter into Rogers brain....?

A penchant for violence on the part of humans engaging with computers unknowing has enormous implications especially if the computers are programmed to respond in kind....a kind of escalation rhetorical violence might reverberate into feedback loop of verbal brutality...a kind of verbal game of chicken with possible highly negative outcomes....probably best that you ending the experiment when you did...

Actor
03-16-2017, 03:22 AM
...what worried me was the whole knife part of the dialogue, since it is so uncharacteristic of Actor to be violent, or threatening....I really didn't know what to think at that point... AND I stopped reading the thread at that point being somewhat disgusted with how you TWO were behaving to each other.....too bad you didn't carry on the experiment further as it seemed Boxcar was a tad flustered by the psuedo- threat of the cutlery invoked.....how and why did "knife" enter into Rogers brain....?
Roger responds only to the most recent input. In #28227 boxcar asked "Is your knife drawn?" Scanning that sentence the very first word "Is" is a keyword. One of several responses to the keyword "is" is the phrase "Why are you interested in". Roger selects that response at random and adds the rest of the sentence, "your knife drawn", changing the pronoun "your" to "my". Thus the response to "Is your knife drawn?" becomes "Why are you interested in my knife drawn." and the word "knife has entered the dialog.

Roger has no brain, no thought process. It's a text manipulator pure and simple. They only words in the entire sentence which mean anything to Roger are "is" and "your". "is" because it's a keyword and "your" because it gets changed to "my". The word "knife" has absolutely no meaning to the program.

VigorsTheGrey
03-16-2017, 11:38 PM
What does the Roger experiment reveal about human beings that is significant...as far as I am aware Boxcar is a human and HIS responses to Roger, I assume, would be quite common...for most humans....?