9/11 blame-- How about this

[BetHorses!]

The cockpit doors should have always been secure. Nobody should ever have been able to get inside and gain control. Pilots should be trained to land no matter how terrible it gets in the cabin. I believe El-Al does this. Mental patients have tried to storm the pit before, shouldn't that have been enough to change policy. No access to the controls = no planes being used as a missle. Am I missing something??

[PaceAdvantage]

Nope....except weapons for the crew as well....

[Tom]

Don't forget these planes are flown by people. They are trained to fly planes, not be James Bond. If they are locked up in the pit and arabs are holding a box opener to the throat of one of the cabin attendants - probably a friend. Differnet ball game.
This is where they have an advantage over us....we are civilized.

[PaceAdvantage]

Ok then....weapons, and training to use weapons under high stress situations....

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by Tom
Don't forget these planes are flown by people. They are trained to fly planes, not be James Bond. If they are locked up in the pit and arabs are holding a box opener to the throat of one of the cabin attendants - probably a friend. Differnet ball game.
This is where they have an advantage over us....we are civilized.

excellent points Tom. I have been through this kind of training. They tell you to disregard your personal feelings for your co-worker etc. Yeah.......right.

[sq764]

..was why they never put video cameras in the cockpits?

This would have been very useful in this situation.. Or in a situation where maybe cabin pressure is lost and the pilots pass out, etc...

[JustRalph]

Originally posted by sq764
..was why they never put video cameras in the cockpits?

This would have been very useful in this situation.. Or in a situation where maybe cabin pressure is lost and the pilots pass out, etc...

When most of the airliners today were built....the technology for the video wasn't available....like it is today. It would have been seriously expensive anyway. Nowadays they can do it.........but to take an airliner out of service for a day can cost as much as 250k (at least that is what the airlines claim.....) and they only take out of service for serious stuff. But I like the idea. You will never get it past the pilots union though.........

[sq764]

I know it's even less of a possibility on private planes, but wouldn't it be nice to know what exactly happened to JFK's plane or Payne Stewart's plane?

[Bruddah]

The only way to keep the cockpit safe from terrorists is to redesign the entrances completely. The entrance to the cockpit and passenger compartments should not be common. The cockpit should have its' own entrance which cannot be obtained by passengers or other crew.

Naturally, this is a revolutiionary design and could only be accomplished once this generation of aircraft has become obsolete. If begun today, implementation would take 30 years. So, a design which can modify today's aircraft and separate the entrances is the answer. This is not an engineering imposssibility. Until you eliminate access to the cocpit from the passenger area, there will always be hijackings.

[kenwoodallpromos]

How about elecrified door handles?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Bruddah
The only way to keep the cockpit safe from terrorists is to redesign the entrances completely. The entrance to the cockpit and passenger compartments should not be common. The cockpit should have its' own entrance which cannot be obtained by passengers or other crew.

Naturally, this is a revolutiionary design and could only be accomplished once this generation of aircraft has become obsolete. If begun today, implementation would take 30 years. So, a design which can modify today's aircraft and separate the entrances is the answer. This is not an engineering imposssibility. Until you eliminate access to the cocpit from the passenger area, there will always be hijackings.

In 1960, JFK charged NASA with putting a man on the moon and bringing him safely home wtihin 10 years. They did it in 9.
I guess we could make cockpit doors seperate fro the passengers, IF ANYONE WANTED TO TAKE THIS WAR SERIOUSLY.
A bunch of sand-eating camel humpers brought down in an hour the two tallest building in the world under the noses of the mightiest nation in history. All things can be done with resolve/
I would hope we could out-do desert demons.

[Secretariat]

July 24, 2004
The Puzzling 9/11 Report

by Sibel Edmonds
The countdown is finally over, and a 567-page 9/11 Commission report [pdf] is out. According to the Commission Chairman, they have seen "every single document" and have interviewed "every single relevant witness and authority." According to all Commission members, this report should be considered a resounding success, since it encompasses all information relevant to the terrorist attacks of 9/11, and very little, almost none, has been redacted, classified, or glossed over. Yet we have heard no one screaming "classification," "sensitive diplomatic relations," "highly sensitive foreign business relations," or "national security implications." This is highly puzzling and curious.

This puzzles me, considering that every investigation by the Congress and the Inspector General (IG) into my issues, every report involving my already-confirmed allegations involving serious lapses within the FBI, and every legal procedure and due process dealing with my case alone, has been blocked, gagged, entirely classified, and stopped. It is extremely curious that while investigations and reports on one case alone has created so much havoc, a massive investigation and a report involving all intelligence agencies and other government bodies, including the State Department, has evoked zero objections based on "sensitive foreign relations," "highly classified intelligence matters," and/or "ongoing intelligence investigations."

This puzzles me, knowing the detailed information I myself provided to the commission during a three and a half hour tape-recorded briefing, yet finding only one footnote (footnote 25) briefly stating insufficient translation capability within the FBI. It is highly curious that the report mentions nothing regarding the "intentionally blocked translations by certain Middle Eastern Translators, who also breached FBI security, as confirmed by the Senate Judiciary"; nothing regarding "adamant resistance to investigations of certain terrorist and criminal activities; refusing to transfer them to counterterrorism from existing counterintelligence investigations, solely based on the vague notion of protecting certain foreign relations"; nothing regarding "continued efforts to cover up certain highly specific information received prior to September 11, even now, years after 9/11"; and nothing regarding "knowingly allowing certain individuals, directly or indirectly related to terrorist activities, to leave the United States months after 9/11, without any interrogation, and per the State Department's request."

This puzzles me, having firsthand knowledge of ongoing intelligence received and processed by the FBI since 1997, which contained specific information implicating certain high level government and elected officials in criminal activities directly and indirectly related to terrorist money laundering, narcotics, and illegal arms sales. It is highly curious that the report omitted all this information, knowing that others in the Congress have been briefed on these issues and have been given the names of targets involved, special agents, translators, field offices, and files. I am highly puzzled and curious.

After the many public hearing shows, in which the Commissioners very skillfully played their good cop/bad cop routine and displayed their lifelong mastery of the political art of saying but not saying, and asking but not asking, all parties and all agencies have readily accepted this report. The president apparently considered the report rosy and appropriately symbolized its presentation in his rose garden. The previous administration sighed with relief, having scored a negative 4, compared to the current administration's negative 6, in the blame game. Notorious Attorney General John Ashcroft left his over-secrecy and classification guns in their holsters. In fact, this report ended up being blessed by all those responsible for our nation's security and interests, which were severely violated on September 11. I, for one, am highly puzzled and curious. How about you?

[Tom]

You gonna listen to her?
By her own admission, she is just puzzled!:D

[Secretariat]

Originally posted by Tom
You gonna listen to her?
By her own admission, she is just puzzled!:D

lol...I guess Tom, I'd like to be allowed to listen to what she has to say.

[Tom]

BMG. :p