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mostpost

12-21-2016, 08:21 PM

http://beta.hotair.com/archives/2016/12/21/obamacare-co-op-in-maryland-stops-handling-obamacare-business/
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You still don't get the difference. The Co-ops are not the exchanges. The Maryland ACA exchanges are still operating. 148,000 Marylanders signed up for insurance during the recent open season. 90% of those have already paid their first payment.

fast4522

12-21-2016, 09:11 PM

Obliterating Obamacare is necessary to have an economy over 4% and growing, look for a early repeal.

HalvOnHorseracing

12-21-2016, 09:27 PM

Obliterating Obamacare is necessary to have an economy over 4% and growing, look for a early repeal.
You want to give us the analysis on how deleting the ACA will lead to 4% economic growth?

JustRalph

12-21-2016, 09:29 PM

You still don't get the difference. The Co-ops are not the exchanges. The Maryland ACA exchanges are still operating. 148,000 Marylanders signed up for insurance during the recent open season. 90% of those have already paid their first payment.

It's another failure.

"Yet another ObamaCare co-op has shut down its operations — and taken $65.5 million in taxpayer subsidies with it. Evergreen Health Cooperative becomes the 18th co-op to shut down, most of which ceased operations over the past twelve months, leaving just five in operation for 2017. Six thousand customers who assumed they had picked their own insurance for next year in the open enrollment period will now have the state exchange automatically assign them an insurance plan, the Free Beacon reports:"

65 million tax dollars just went poof.............one down.....five more co-ops to go.

fast4522

12-21-2016, 10:11 PM

You want to give us the analysis on how deleting the ACA will lead to 4% economic growth?

Easy, it hinders the economy. What you may want seems relevant to you, good luck to ya.

HalvOnHorseracing

12-21-2016, 10:39 PM

Easy, it hinders the economy. What you may want seems relevant to you, good luck to ya.
Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Pretty much thesis material that one.

fast4522

12-21-2016, 11:00 PM

One Hundred and seventy five million Americans get health care insurance from their job, think about that for a bit.

HalvOnHorseracing

12-21-2016, 11:55 PM

One Hundred and seventy five million Americans get health care insurance from their job, think about that for a bit.
45 million are medicare eligible

126 million are under 26 and can be covered on their parents insurance if they don't have other insurance.

Medicaid and CHIP cover nearly 70 million people.

All great statistics. Not sure what they have to do with my point.

My point was simple. Make a connection between deleting the ACA - which based on news stories could mean a whole lot of different things - and seeing the economy take off.

I think you may see the really stupid provisions in the ACA get deleted - for example, the provision that sets the rate differential between young and old - but too many people are too deeply invested to delete the whole thing. Besides, everybody that hated the ACA actually likes the provisions when they are presented individually.

You know what they say. If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride.

Clocker

12-22-2016, 12:54 AM

Besides, everybody that hated the ACA actually likes the provisions when they are presented individually.

I like the provision of unicorns and fairy dust, but I doubt my government can deliver those things.

Selective popularity of individual provisions does not make the program viable in the real world. Reality trumps provisions that people "actually like", particularly when such provisions are not realistic. The basic premise of a minority of young and healthy people subsidizing the provisions that old and unhealthy people "like" is irrational.

Tom

12-22-2016, 07:59 AM

Google is our friend.

http://www.investors.com/politics/obamacare/obamacare-repeal-would-add-886-billion-to-economy/

fast4522

12-22-2016, 09:30 AM

But Obama has not been, 110 thousand new people coming in who might have ISIS mixed in. Their healthcare covered by us with the cost shifted to the backs of OUR young and others who have worked here all their live now hit with premiums they can not afford. You might let reefer take you for a ride, but we are not buying it or your take on the subject. The ACA was necessary for those with open borders in mind, what a difference a President can make.

Ocala Mike

12-22-2016, 09:36 AM

Repealing the ACA without concurrently replacing it will result in a backlash - let's see how the R's handle this.

Tom

12-22-2016, 10:14 AM

I am sure the backlash will not be close to the D's ramming down our throats to begin with. Stupid bill passed stupider people.

HalvOnHorseracing

12-22-2016, 10:25 AM

I like the provision of unicorns and fairy dust, but I doubt my government can deliver those things.

Selective popularity of individual provisions does not make the program viable in the real world. Reality trumps provisions that people "actually like", particularly when such provisions are not realistic. The basic premise of a minority of young and healthy people subsidizing the provisions that old and unhealthy people "like" is irrational.
Typically you have all the problems, none of the solutions. They may get rid of the individual mandate or allow competition across state lines, but provisions such as covering kids until they are 26 not denying insurance for pre-existing conditions are too popular to get killed. If the R's write a bill that is so heavily one sided to the insurance companies there will be push back.

There are obvious fixes to the ACA. If they do it right they'll be heroes, but if they simply repeal the whole thing a lot of your disenfranchised voters who supported Trump will be affected negatively.

There are only so many ways to make health insurance cheaper. Bringing healthy people into the pool was one way, but they did a poor job of making that provision work both by letting people wait until they got sick to sign up and making the penalty for not having insurance small. You can let me know the other ways to make it cheaper are.

Try not to forget those old sick people vote in tremendous numbers relative to the young and healthy.

Parkview_Pirate

12-22-2016, 11:28 AM

Repealing the ACA without concurrently replacing it will result in a backlash - let's see how the R's handle this.

Looks like the R's enjoy the taxes from the ACA:

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/311428-gop-considers-holding-off-on-repealing-obamacare-taxes

Unfortunately, the growth of .gov by the ACA will provide a significant roadblock to effectively repeal it. Someday, the Federal government will have to shrink because we'll all be broke, and then maybe the ACA will get pitched, but for now maintaining the status quo is all that matters.

The propaganda mill is already in gear:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2016/12/22/partial-obamacare-repeal-could-cost-13m-children-their-coverage/#5497eeed20f7

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/enrollment-for-affordable-care-act-insurance-running-ahead-of-last-year/2016/12/21/1d720dec-c7a3-11e6-bf4b-2c064d32a4bf_story.html?utm_term=.e94c5e4fbe6d

I suppose I'm one of the new ACA weenies. Traded my $398 monthly COBRA premium for a $0 monthly premium starting January 1st due to low income. Since I haven't used any health care services for 7 years, I'm pretty pleased with that deal.

Clocker

12-22-2016, 11:32 AM

Typically you have all the problems, none of the solutions. They may get rid of the individual mandate or allow competition across state lines, but provisions such as covering kids until they are 26 not denying insurance for pre-existing conditions are too popular to get killed.

I have discussed solutions here often, but the Kool Aid drinkers ignore them and just keep whining about how heartless reality is.

The solution for 26 year olds is premiums that reflect risk. The solution for pre-existing conditions is the previous system of high-risk pools subsidized by general revenues rather than by the premiums of a very small, and shrinking, group of young and healthy people forced by the individual mandate.

Government policy driven by popularity is also a problem. Next thing you know people will be whining that the president should be elected by popular vote.

Parkview_Pirate

12-22-2016, 11:41 AM

I have discussed solutions here often, but the Kool Aid drinkers ignore them and just keep whining about how heartless reality is.

The solution for 26 year olds is premiums that reflect risk. The solution for pre-existing conditions is the previous system of high-risk pools subsidized by general revenues rather than by the premiums of a very small, and shrinking, group of young and healthy people forced by the individual mandate.

Government policy driven by popularity is also a problem. Next thing you know people will be whining that the president should be elected by popular vote.

I would add the biggest impact to health care costs would be to enforce the monopoly price fixing of the providers and the insurance companies. Where else do you pay $35 for an aspirin tablet, or worse don't know what the costs are until afterwards?

I get a much better deal and a legally enforced estimate of services when I go to get a tune-up on my Mazda.

HalvOnHorseracing

12-22-2016, 12:14 PM

I have discussed solutions here often, but the Kool Aid drinkers ignore them and just keep whining about how heartless reality is.

The solution for 26 year olds is premiums that reflect risk. The solution for pre-existing conditions is the previous system of high-risk pools subsidized by general revenues rather than by the premiums of a very small, and shrinking, group of young and healthy people forced by the individual mandate.

Government policy driven by popularity is also a problem. Next thing you know people will be whining that the president should be elected by popular vote.
The insurance companies wrote the first ACA, they'll write this one. The fact is that people will either see their premiums go up by a little, others will see their premiums go up by a lot. And guess who your hated MSM is going to write about? Before the ACA was passed, the D's traipsed up horror story after horror story of insurance companies who had essentially killed people by refusing treatment or dropping coverage. As I said, I'm dying to see how this thing gets fixed so that the cost of health care goes down.

mostpost

12-22-2016, 08:58 PM

It's another failure.

"Yet another ObamaCare co-op has shut down its operations — and taken $65.5 million in taxpayer subsidies with it. Evergreen Health Cooperative becomes the 18th co-op to shut down, most of which ceased operations over the past twelve months, leaving just five in operation for 2017. Six thousand customers who assumed they had picked their own insurance for next year in the open enrollment period will now have the state exchange automatically assign them an insurance plan, the Free Beacon reports:"

65 million tax dollars just went poof.............one down.....five more co-ops to go.
6.5 million people signed up for insurance on the exchanges this year. 400,000 more than a year ago. The co-ops are authorized by the ACA but not setup or run by the ACA. The co-ops are not the same as the exchanges. They sell insurance on the exchanges. One of the reasons they are failing is that they are not getting the subsidies they were promised.

JustRalph

12-22-2016, 09:54 PM

6.5 million people signed up for insurance on the exchanges this year. 400,000 more than a year ago. The co-ops are authorized by the ACA but not setup or run by the ACA. The co-ops are not the same as the exchanges. They sell insurance on the exchanges. One of the reasons they are failing is that they are not getting the subsidies they were promised.

More people signed up because they put a gun to their heads!

Wholly unAmerican!

AndyC

12-22-2016, 10:22 PM

....... One of the reasons they are failing is that they are not getting the subsidies they were promised.

Any business relying on subsidies to survive is, in fact, failing.

Clocker

12-22-2016, 11:19 PM

The insurance companies wrote the first ACA, they'll write this one.

Which shows the insanity of the entire concept of the government trying to micromanage a huge and vital industry.

As I said, I'm dying to see how this thing gets fixed so that the cost of health care goes down.

Does that mean "you have all the problems, none of the solutions?"

fast4522

12-22-2016, 11:58 PM

More people signed up because they put a gun to their heads!

Wholly unAmerican!

Actually more than half are going bankrupt but are looking for a way out of this nightmare. The inability to care how bad a deal the middle class got will guarantee more losses for democrats, you smug fools think it's done just stick around for two years.

no breathalyzer

12-23-2016, 04:53 AM

Richie

12-23-2016, 06:09 AM

I think covering kids to 26 is over the top, and did you know that if your kid is under 26 and gets married you can still cover them. Very expensive for small business. I am living it

Tom

12-23-2016, 08:08 AM

Any business relying on subsidies to survive is, in fact, failing.

Subsidies are the lifeblood of liberalism.
Handouts are entitles, don't you know?

chadk66

12-23-2016, 08:41 AM

45 million are medicare eligible

126 million are under 26 and can be covered on their parents insurance if they don't have other insurance.

Medicaid and CHIP cover nearly 70 million people.

All great statistics. Not sure what they have to do with my point.

My point was simple. Make a connection between deleting the ACA - which based on news stories could mean a whole lot of different things - and seeing the economy take off.

I think you may see the really stupid provisions in the ACA get deleted - for example, the provision that sets the rate differential between young and old - but too many people are too deeply invested to delete the whole thing. Besides, everybody that hated the ACA actually likes the provisions when they are presented individually.

You know what they say. If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride.I'm not clear on what your saying here. Are you saying of those 175 million receiving health insurance through their work, 45 million of those are medicare eligible, 126 million are under age 26?

tucker6

12-23-2016, 08:51 AM

I can wait for this bs to go away.. Also **** YOU Obama for the $700 + penalty
that i'm getting for not wanting your bs insurance.. guess i got forced to pay for some fat pos with Diabeetus's leg to get cut off idk..... Oh btw i'm insured now.. by an employer not a socialist welfare scam that steels from hard working Americans... and guess what its better coverage and much cheaper!!!!
I'm not sure the penalty survives much longer. Besides, if you owe the govt money on 4/15, they can't get their penalty money. A toothless clause that will die an ugly death soon.

HalvOnHorseracing

12-23-2016, 12:31 PM

I'm not clear on what your saying here. Are you saying of those 175 million receiving health insurance through their work, 45 million of those are medicare eligible, 126 million are under age 26?
No. I am saying that in addition to the 175 million getting employer health care, 45 million are covered by Medicare, and of the 126 million under the age of 26, some may be part of the 175 million, and the ones that aren't can be covered by their parents or CHIP or medicare. I think the point is that the number of people not covered by employer health insurance, medicare, CHIP. medicaid, or parents isn't unmanageably huge.

HalvOnHorseracing

12-23-2016, 12:38 PM

Does that mean "you have all the problems, none of the solutions?"
No, I have solutions. If they asked me, I'd be happy to redesign the whole thing. I just don't think they would play well with the current Congress. Which prompted the remark, I'm dying to see how they fix the thing so that health care costs go down. I'm betting even you will be able to understand the difference.

chadk66

12-23-2016, 01:54 PM

No, I have solutions. If they asked me, I'd be happy to redesign the whole thing. I just don't think they would play well with the current Congress. Which prompted the remark, I'm dying to see how they fix the thing so that health care costs go down. I'm betting even you will be able to understand the difference.bringing healthcare costs down isn't even possible. Stabilizing them is the best we can hope for at this point

chadk66

12-23-2016, 01:56 PM

No. I am saying that in addition to the 175 million getting employer health care, 45 million are covered by Medicare, and of the 126 million under the age of 26, some may be part of the 175 million, and the ones that aren't can be covered by their parents or CHIP or medicare. I think the point is that the number of people not covered by employer health insurance, medicare, CHIP. medicaid, or parents isn't unmanageably huge.I don't know that it's all that big. And a large percentage of those won't/can't buy insurance no matter how much you tax/fine em.