NYRA Network

[Polish Navy]

At the bottom of my screen it says "Starting January 1, 2017, you will no longer be able to watch the NYRA Network on this channel in NYC. You can watch all the action on NYRA.com, NYRA app on mobile devices, etc..."

No more NYRA Network in Manhattan?

[EMD4ME]

At the bottom of my screen it says "Starting January 1, 2017, you will no longer be able to watch the NYRA Network on this channel in NYC. You can watch all the action on NYRA.com, NYRA app on mobile devices, etc..."

No more NYRA Network in Manhattan?

I have the same message, I am ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED.

I have 2 older parents, both massive horselovers, who watch all day/night with no bets.

This seriously, just impacted their lives.

Disgusting.

I don't know who to blame, my new stupid ass cable subscriber or NYRA.


Most horseplayers are old. They need the TV. What IDIOT thought of this/allowed this?

If anyone knows, I want an answer.

[EMD4ME]

Polish Navy,

Do you have Time Warner, now some other stupid name, could be Spectrum?

[Polish Navy]

Was just going to ask you the same question.
I have Verizon FIOS.

I'm really not into watching 9 different tracks, a la TVG.

[EMD4ME]

Was just going to ask you the same question.
I have Verizon FIOS.

I'm really not into watching 9 different tracks, a la TVG.

Me either, I leave on NYRA for NYRA all day.

Sounds like it could be a non cable company issue.

FUMING :mad: :mad: :mad:

[EMD4ME]

Just called my mother to tell her that after Jan 1st, she can no longer root my horses home for $10,000-$20,000 or $100 bucks.

She said why? Oh my god, how else will I pass my time, being immobilized and all?

My heart sank. I had no answer. Told her I will find out.

Dad got on phone. How else will I pass my time, not being able to pick 1 loser after the other (he's not the best of cappers)?

I said I don't know.

If I find out this is a NYRA decision. HELL WILL BE PAYED.

If my cable provider did this, FORGET THEM TONIGHT



I WANT A BLANKEN ANSWER. Does anyone know??????

[EMD4ME]

I just realized something....


As I bet, from my home office, I stare at my NYRA network TV as I punch in bets.

If I no longer have the NYRA network, I am terribly inconvenienced in my betting.


I NEED TO KNOW who is behind this.

I am calling the program manager now and finding out.

[EMD4ME]

Well Polish Navy....


It's all 10000000000000000000000000000000% NYRA's decision.



NOT the cable company.

They want to hurt me.....so I will speak with my handle, elsewhere. (Meaning finally saying YES, to those ADW's who have been recruiting me).

NYRA BETS, can go make up for my handle elsewhere.

Frieken Geniuses...... :rolleyes:

[cj]

Just called my mother to tell her that after Jan 1st, she can no longer root my horses home for $10,000-$20,000 or $100 bucks.

She said why? Oh my god, how else will I pass my time, being immobilized and all?

My heart sank. I had no answer. Told her I will find out.

Dad got on phone. How else will I pass my time, not being able to pick 1 loser after the other (he's not the best of cappers)?

I said I don't know.

If I find out this is a NYRA decision. HELL WILL BE PAYED.

If my cable provider did this, FORGET THEM TONIGHT



I WANT A BLANKEN ANSWER. Does anyone know??????

I can't answer the why, but I can tell you an HDMI cable hooked up from a laptop or PC to the TV works well. Not ideal but you'll get the races and the picture is very good.

HD channels are limited at this time and it isn't always easy to get and keep a slot. Dish still doesn't have TVG and TVG2 on HD, and several others channels as well.

[EMD4ME]

I can't answer the why, but I can tell you an HDMI cable hooked up from a laptop or PC to the TV works well. Not ideal but you'll get the races and the picture is very good.

HD channels are limited at this time and it isn't always easy to get and keep a slot. Dish still doesn't have TVG and TVG2 on HD, and several others channels as well.

It won't work well when you have a 73 year old handicapped woman, who can't even answer a house phone, trying to accomplish all that.

My cable subscriber has hundreds if not thousands of empty channels.

Channels don't seem to be a problem on Time Warner Cable or whatever the heck it just changed to.

[ReplayRandall]

I can't answer the why, but I can tell you an HDMI cable hooked up from a laptop or PC to the TV works well. Not ideal but you'll get the races and the picture is very good.

HD channels are limited at this time and it isn't always easy to get and keep a slot. Dish still doesn't have TVG and TVG2 on HD, and several others channels as well.

Get RTN thru Dish, and all problems are gone....

[cj]

It won't work well when you have a 73 year old handicapped woman, who can't even answer a house phone, trying to accomplish all that.

My cable subscriber has hundreds if not thousands of empty channels.

Channels don't seem to be a problem on Time Warner Cable or whatever the heck it just changed to.

Obviously I don't know all the circumstances. I was thinking you could help get it going each day.

Channels are one thing, HD channels another, but maybe it is different with fiber which I think FIOS is.

[cj]

Get RTN thru Dish, and all problems are gone....

That is a bit extreme for those that just want NYRA racing. Personally, I'm not paying that much just for racing in HD. I can usually get it anyway if I'm worried about it on the Fox Sports channels or by doing just what I mentioned to EMD, hook up and old computer and use my ADWs or a track feed to watch.

[EMD4ME]

This decision is so STUPID.

1) When I leave them for another ADW, they will lose $250,000 in net profit from me.

2) How many other EMD4ME's are there? I would venture quite a few in NYC.

3) How many people surf the TV and come across the channel and say: what is this? Get intrigued and maybe open an account?

4) They just gained market share in 30 states. Is part of their braindead dumbass stupid strategy, to lose the most important market share?????

5) They might've stupidly tracked how much is bet via their phone operation and said: Chee only X is bet via the phone and that must mean X people actually use the TV channel. STUPID!!!!!!!!

1 of you're top clients, primarily utilizes your NYRA network channel. :bang: :bang: :bang: AND I NEVER BET OVER THE PHONE.




This has REEEEEEAAAAALLLLLL STUPID written all over it.

10 Million plus in NYC, right next to your home tracks and you decide to CUT the free advertising.


I though Lloyd was dumb but this beyond DUMBER, IT'S DUMBEST EVER.

[EMD4ME]

Get RTN thru Dish, and all problems are gone....

I have RTN....I use it for replays only.

I don't like going back and forth on my laptop between screens (to watch a race live). I want a different feed for my HDTV, WHILE I use formulator, Timeform on my laptop to study (and then wager via my ADW on my laptop).

PLUS, you just hit my family's life. My mother and dad can never watch a race again at home, without ME somehow making it happen, all the time.

All for what? To be penny wise and a million foolish?

[EMD4ME]

Obviously I don't know all the circumstances. I was thinking you could help get it going each day.

Channels are one thing, HD channels another, but maybe it is different with fiber which I think FIOS is.

I appreciate the advice as I may need it. Not going off on you. Going off on this cerebrally brain dead decision.

[ReplayRandall]

That is a bit extreme for those that just want NYRA racing. Personally, I'm not paying that much just for racing in HD. I can usually get it anyway if I'm worried about it on the Fox Sports channels or by doing just what I mentioned to EMD, hook up and old computer and use my ADWs or a track feed to watch.

EMD needs this to watch ALL replays and gallop-outs anyway....It's only $50 a month.

[cj]

EMD needs this to watch ALL replays and gallop-outs anyway....It's only $50 a month.

I'm not saying it it isn't a good deal, I'm sure it is, I just don't have a need for it. I watch all the replays I need online.

[EMD4ME]

That is a bit extreme for those that just want NYRA racing. Personally, I'm not paying that much just for racing in HD. I can usually get it anyway if I'm worried about it on the Fox Sports channels or by doing just what I mentioned to EMD, hook up and old computer and use my ADWs or a track feed to watch.

Plus it's not just NYRA racing. They switch to 4 tracks when NYRA is done, till 1130 pm.

When NYRA is off, 4 tracks are on.

I just thought of another player in NYC, who rarely if ever goes to the track. Has a NYRA account BUT NO INTERNET ACCESS.

Old school yes. He bets from the phone and watches via the NYRA channel.

Yeah, that 70 year old will start travelling to Belmont everyday to bet :rolleyes: :bang:

[EMD4ME]

EMD needs this to watch ALL replays and gallop-outs anyway....It's only $50 a month.

I paid $112 or so for RTN for the year.

What channel/service are you referring to RR?

[aaron]

I paid $112 or so for RTN for the year.

What channel/service are you referring to RR?
You can get Roku and hook it up to your tv. It gives you NYRA in HD,but after the NYRA races go off you don't get other tracks. Sorry you are having a problem.

[EMD4ME]

You can get Roku and hook it up to your tv. It gives you NYRA in HD,but after the NYRA races go off you don't get other tracks. Sorry you are having a problem.

Aaron, I appreciate the idea but that doesn't work 100% either. Thanks for the thought though.


This industry ABSOLUTELY boggles my mind.

I wish I was running it, for the sake of the game.

[titans1127]

RTN also has a ROKU app which you can use along with the regular online subscription for the same $25 a month. Might not be as practical but they can watch NYRA in HD and switch to pretty much any track as well(except for CDI tracks).

[EasyGoer89]

Aaron, I appreciate the idea but that doesn't work 100% either. Thanks for the thought though.


This industry ABSOLUTELY boggles my mind.

I wish I was running it, for the sake of the game.

You're hired. When can you start?

[SG4]

Might need a DRF live acct to read this post, but some more detail into why this decision by NYRA:

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/34358

I just hope if they're going to direct all people to their apps, website, MSG show etc that they can reduce the lag time on these broadcasts, somewhat substantial from the last few times I've checked. For those used to the no-lag broadcast on TV it can be a pain to get used to when trying to get last second bets in.

[EMD4ME]

You're hired. When can you start?
Thanks Easy.

How about Jan 1st. :bang:

[EMD4ME]

Might need a DRF live acct to read this post, but some more detail into why this decision by NYRA:

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/34358

I just hope if they're going to direct all people to their apps, website, MSG show etc that they can reduce the lag time on these broadcasts, somewhat substantial from the last few times I've checked. For those used to the no-lag broadcast on TV it can be a pain to get used to when trying to get last second bets in.


Lets do the math here...


They did this to save $500,000

Kay gets a bonus I believe of $250,000

I bet $1 Million plus with them this year. My family bet another $100,000

I bet 90% super exotics. So, thats an average vig of 20% plus. Family bets W and ex. Average vig 17%.

By me moving to a foreign ADW, they might receive what, 5% from my bets? (and trust me, they won't benefit from a source market fee of 5% either :p )

That's about $170,000 in losses from pissing me off.

Nevermind all the food I buy on track and drinks after the races are near over.

Nevermind all the other people impacted by this. (How much is their phone handle?) People betting via phone are more than likely using the TV channel and not the internet.

Never mind all the handle I drive in the room from people following my bets on Emerald and other tracks.

Here's the solution: take away his STUPID bonus, keep me happy and we're near even.

I see no gain from losing that channel. Only DOWNSIDE.

Access to 10 million LOCAL PEOPLE and you're cutting it off for $500,000???????????????

[Polish Navy]

I'm not "in the know" here, so I say this as a businessman looking in from the outside:
1. I'm not so sure $500,000 is a rigid, non-negotiable number. I mean, we're talking about a non-HD, standard resolution signal on a public access channel. Not exactly the Ivy League of media platforms.
2. Isn't NYRA losing exposure promoting NYRA Bets, TimeformUS, Woodford Reserve, NetJets, and others?
When I watch the NYRA Network, I see plenty of plugs. Plus, when no live racing is shown, there's a constant rotation of advertisements.
I highly doubt TVG is going to promote NYRA Bets, but I could be mistaken :D

[Dahoss9698]

Well Polish Navy....


It's all 10000000000000000000000000000000% NYRA's decision.



NOT the cable company.

They want to hurt me.....so I will speak with my handle, elsewhere. (Meaning finally saying YES, to those ADW's who have been recruiting me).

NYRA BETS, can go make up for my handle elsewhere.

Frieken Geniuses...... :rolleyes:

You think NYRA wants to hurt you?

Dude, get a f'n grip already.

[aaron]

You think NYRA wants to hurt you?

Dude, get a f'n grip already.
It is not that NYRA wants to hurt their customers. It is just that they are indifferent to them.

[Secondbest]

I did not see this thread when I posted sorry.
I do not think its nyra. Once Comcast took over twc I know things would change for the worst. Comcast sucks. The Nyra channel which was the otb channel has been on for 30 years.Now Comcast takes over and its gone.Not a coincidence.

[the little guy]

It is not that NYRA wants to hurt their customers. It is just that they are indifferent to them.


Really Aaron??? You think this is even the slightest bit fair? We have made our HD signal available for free to everyone in a variety of easy ways. We offer a TON of video, high quality video, but you think we are indifferent to our customers? Our efforts belie this sentiment, and you know this.

Sometimes I really wonder.

[Secondbest]

The crawl does not appear on cablevisión on long Island

[aaron]

Really Aaron??? You think this is even the slightest bit fair? We have made our HD signal available for free to everyone in a variety of easy ways. We offer a TON of video, high quality video, but you think we are indifferent to our customers? Our efforts belie this sentiment, and you know this.

Sometimes I really wonder.
I do think they are indifferent. I understand your point of view, but NYRA has never gone out of their way to think about what long term customers want or expect. First of all this doesn"t effect me personally, but do you think it is fair to cut off all the people in the boro"s who watch on TV. Do you also think charging $7.00 and $10.00 to park on the track side is fair to your customers ? Listen,I take advantage of your high-Def,so you know,I am not talking about me,but I know customers who probably don't even have computers or if they do don"t want to watch races on them.You have been around players a long time and you know I am not making this up. Don't they deserve a voice ?

[the little guy]

I do think they are indifferent. I understand your point of view, but NYRA has never gone out of their way to think about what long term customers want or expect. First of all this doesn"t effect me personally, but do you think it is fair to cut off all the people in the boro"s who watch on TV. Do you also think charging $7.00 and $10.00 to park on the track side is fair to your customers ? Listen,I take advantage of your high-Def,so you know,I am not talking about me,but I know customers who probably don't even have computers or if they do don"t want to watch races on them.You have been around players a long time and you know I am not making this up. Don't they deserve a voice ?


There is plenty of free parking available, as has been pointed out on this board, so I think we know the answer to that situation.

You say cut off, as though it's some nasty decision, and not a responsible financial one......and given the alternatives, VERY good alternatives, I think it is the correct choice. Is it perfect for everyone? Of course not, but all things being equal, it is the responsible one.

Feel free to tell me about all the initiatives in media that other racetracks are doing that hold a candle to NYRA.

[EMD4ME]

The crawl does not appear on cablevisión on long Island

Its cut off to the 5 boroughs , choice was by NYRA to save $500k

[EMD4ME]

You think NYRA wants to hurt you?

Dude, get a f'n grip already.

Nope.

I think their executives are poor thinkers, that simple.

[Secondbest]

Andy
Whose decision was it to Take the network off twc? And if nyra why was it taken.

[aaron]

There is plenty of free parking available, as has been pointed out on this board, so I think we know the answer to that situation.

You say cut off, as though it's some nasty decision, and not a responsible financial one......and given the alternatives, VERY good alternatives, I think it is the correct choice. Is it perfect for everyone? Of course not, but all things being equal, it is the responsible one.

Feel free to tell me about all the initiatives in media that other racetracks are doing that hold a candle to NYRA.
Listen I admit I hold NYRA to a higher level of expectation and am not comparing them to other entities. From a financial decision I am sure you believe it is correct. I don't consider it a nasty decision. I just don"t think it is the correct decision. As for the parking,I just think that is the wrong decision. People who are used to parking on the track side don"t want to be parking on the Casino side.With all that said,I wish you and all the guys a Happy and healthy holiday season and I do expect you to buy me a cup of coffee when I visit.

[thaskalos]

Enough already, Aaron. He'll buy you a cup of coffee...you don't have to ask 10 times. :)

[Dahoss9698]

Nope.

I think their executives are poor thinkers, that simple.
No no no, you said they want to hurt you.

Dude, I say this with sincerity, you need a break from the Internet. Seriously.

[aaron]

Enough already, Aaron. He'll buy you a cup of coffee...you don't have to ask 10 times. :)
Sorry,I only posted it once. I don't know what happened.

[SuperPickle]

Nope.

I think their executives are poor thinkers, that simple.

EMD, how can you not grasp you're being a little selfish and childish here.

As like 10 people have pointed out NYRA has made their product available to you in literally like 20 ways. TVG, a bunch of online ADW's, phone apps, a bunch of streaming devices like roku, cromecast, fire, Apple TV, etc.

They eliminated ONE platform in 5 boroughs because of cost.

People have tried to help you and your only response "it's not the way I want to watch NYRA."

Try and be somewhat reasonable.

[EMD4ME]

No no no, you said they want to hurt you.

Dude, I say this with sincerity, you need a break from the Internet. Seriously.

You're 100% correct, I did say that. I meant indirectly, not specifically ME.

I don't think anyone is out there trying to hurt ME.

[EMD4ME]

EMD, how can you not grasp you're being a little selfish and childish here.

As like 10 people have pointed out NYRA has made their product available to you in literally like 20 ways. TVG, a bunch of online ADW's, phone apps, a bunch of streaming devices like roku, cromecast, fire, Apple TV, etc.

They eliminated ONE platform in 5 boroughs because of cost.

People have tried to help you and your only response "it's not the way I want to watch NYRA."

Try and be somewhat reasonable.

What's the average age of a horseplayer?

Please take that average and tell me what % utilize the internet to wager please.

THEN, please tell me what the NYRA BETS/NYRA REWARDS telephone handle is.

What % of the telephone betters, rely upon the NYRA network, to watch a race?

[AltonKelsey]

The Fios NYRA feed is not HD. That isn't even an issue.

Seems short sighted at best to kill the decades old nyra feed.

[EMD4ME]

NYRA just invested, wisely, all this effort and money into gaining marketshare in at least 30 states.

Within weeks of doing that, they make this ridiculously STUPID decision to alienate many of they're HARDEST core of clients in the NY CIIIIITTTY area?

All to save $500,000???

It makes no sense.

I said it before, don't give Kay his $250,000 and you're halfway there.

Don't tick ME off and you're 100% there.

The rest is gravy (the other people you don't lose or piss off).

[EMD4ME]

The Fios NYRA feed is not HD. That isn't even an issue.

Seems short sighted at best to kill the decades old nyra feed.


I ran into a ton of regulars today. All of them said pretty much the following:

This is by far, the dumbest thing we have heard or seen NYRA do.

I was handed a free Roku today by TINA, the program manager, she is the ANGEL of NYRA. (I must note 1 positive someone did)

That doesn't make up for not having all day and night access, on a normal and convenient channel.

[SuperPickle]

What's the average age of a horseplayer?

Please take that average and tell me what % utilize the internet to wager please.

THEN, please tell me what the NYRA BETS/NYRA REWARDS telephone handle is.

What % of the telephone betters, rely upon the NYRA network, to watch a race?

The point is NYRA is using new technology platforms to try and drive younger players into the game. You give them zero credit.

And you're not addressing the issue that they taken nothing from you. You still have about 20 platforms available to access their product.

It's just not the platform you like.

[EMD4ME]

I read that telephone handle was about $23,800,000 and was expected to reach $43,600,000 in 2011 (post OTB Closing).

Even if there was a runoff of 66%, we are STILL at almost $15,000,000 in telebet handle.

(I would love for someone to tell me what Telebet handle was in 2015 and YTD in 2016).

I would venture to say that near 75% (being conservative here) of that handle is reliant upon the Network.

That's $11,250,000 at FULL TAKE.

Average take of 18% brings you to profit of $2,000,000 (without expenses).

How can anyone tell me THIS is the way to shave $500,000???

[EMD4ME]

The point is NYRA is using new technology platforms to try and drive younger players into the game. You give them zero credit.

And you're not addressing the issue that they taken nothing from you. You still have about 20 platforms available to access their product.

It's just not the platform you like.

OMG, I can't believe I am discussing this with a former track executive.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOO

I, let me break this down for you, am a decent size player.

YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. NO RACETRACK EXEC'S OPINION MATTERS.

I am going to speak a phrase that is probably GREEK to you...


CUSTOMER CENTRIC


Here is something that is probably Cyprian to you (sisters of Greeks)

THE CLIENT IS ALWAYS RIGHT


Start having those 2 opinions and then we can have an adult business conversation.


As for your point.......you CAN do both at the same time. If NYRA is trying to "attract" new young business to this game, GOOD FOR THEM. KEEP DOING IT.

All the new BUSINESS IN THE WORLD, won't help you a LICK, if your retention numbers go out the BACK DOOR.

Alienate your hardcore following and your DEAD.


YOU CAN DO BOTH. It's called INTELLIGENT BUSINESS strategy.

Attract new business & wait for it........



It's called.....


Retain loyal clients.



BTW, no one has mentioned this yet. We get millions in VLT revenue BUT we can't allocate $500,000 in TV broadcasting???

JUST HOW STUPID DOES THIS SOUND???

[EMD4ME]

In an industry that is literally dying.....

I can't fathom ANYONE doing anything to alienate the main people who matter the most. The older, wealthy, BETTING client.

No genius is growing this game so far, SO, all execs should be focusing on 1) RETENTION and then 2) GROWTH.

This is so unfathomable......It boggles my mind.


This game will die well before I even think of retiring.


Kay, not only doesn't deserve a bonus of $250,000, clients SHOULD SUE HIM and he should be ordered to PAY at least $250,000.

[Dahoss9698]

I haven't seen craziness like this in awhile. Very entertaining to watch.

[NY BRED]

so much for the A train discussion...
i rest my case about NYRA


:mad: :mad:

[EMD4ME]

I haven't seen craziness like this in awhile. Very entertaining to watch.

To you, crazy, to anyone logical, I speak the absolute truth. ;)

I know, I know.....it's frustrating listening to someone use logic and facts so often :lol:

Hard to knock facts down.

[Dahoss9698]

To you, crazy, to anyone logical, I speak the absolute truth. ;)

I know, I know.....it's frustrating listening to someone use logic and facts so often :lol:

Hard to knock facts down.
Thaskalos did you a real solid the other day. You should go back and re read his post.

Take it from someone who has spent a lot of time acting like an ass on here. You've been acting looney tunes for a week now. One day you're telling people about what a great person you are and the next day you're telling everyone that you're better than them and that their opinions don't count.

NYRA made a decision. You might be minorly inconvenienced. It'll be okay. You'll figure it out.

[no breathalyzer]

Thaskalos did you a real solid the other day. You should go back and re read his post.

Take it from someone who has spent a lot of time acting like an ass on here. You've been acting looney tunes for a week now. One day you're telling people about what a great person you are and the next day you're telling everyone that you're better than them and that their opinions don't count.

NYRA made a decision. You might be minorly inconvenienced. It'll be okay. You'll figure it out.



Major props on admitting that!....we all been there.. i actually respect your opinion.. here is is a good time for a truce if you willing... we all been thru tough times i understand.. if not then whateverman

[Polish Navy]

You think NYRA wants to hurt you?

Dude, get a f'n grip already.


Is this really necessary?

Yes, I'm new here. You have to attack the guy?
For what?

[SuperPickle]

I haven't seen craziness like this in awhile. Very entertaining to watch.

This sums it up.

EMD, you're literally have a meltdown over a mole hill. Let me try and walk you through this because your soooo far down the rabbit hole.

First off all streaming devices are is wifi enabled cable boxes. It's a glorified cable box. So this idea that it's a huge thing is entirely in your head. It's your own reluctance to change.

Second, NYRA added their signal to about 20 platforms in last couple years. They made a business decision that since the cost of broadcasting races in NYC was going up and the amount of viewers was going down due to cable cutters (cable tv customers are cratering Google it) to end the broadcasts. I know this doesn't fit the model of "how EMD would run NYRA" but it's actually a sound, smart business decision. You simply don't like it because you watch the channel.

EMD you always say "I'm the customer I'm always right." I'll put it to you simply you're not. This is an archaic business principle. The new billion dollar companies like EBay, Google, Facebook and Uber simply don't operate on this principle. Either do the majority of Fortune 500 companies. My suggestion is if you want this go back to the 1970's.

The other area you're completely wrong about is that your opinion or needs rank first. I've been involved in this sport for a long time. And every time you get the jockey, the owners, the horseman and the bettors in a room you get this. The jockeys say "my opinion trumps all because we risk our life's and without us you couldn't race. Operators say "our opinion trumps all because without our capital you couldn't race." Then trainers say "we get up at 4am and mold and take care of horse without which you couldn't race so we're actually the most important." And then bettors say "we create churn without which they're wouldn't be purses we matter most."

The point is no one is a customer. No one group trumps the other. It literally takes a village to run a track. And second one group declares themselves the ultimate end user or customer whose needs trump the others racing starts to die.

So no you are simply not as important as you think you are.

At the end of the day NYRA made a business decision to add some new viewing platforms and eliminate an older platform. You didn't like it because your platform was eliminated. You're welcome to not be happy. However the idea it was an unfair decision, a bad business decision or a sign of poor management simply isn't based on facts.

Now go have a drink, buy your parents a Roku, tell them it's the new cable box and move on with your life.

[cj]

Is this really necessary?

Yes, I'm new here. You have to attack the guy?
For what?

Since you're new, let me restate something I've said in the past for you and others. Let the owner and the moderators moderate. We know the history between posters and step in when needed. We also aren't here 24/7 and sometimes it takes some time IF a post needs to be addressed.

Posts like yours do nothing more than fan the flames take threads even further off course.

[Polish Navy]

Since you're new, let me restate something I've said in the past for you and others. Let the owner and the moderators moderate. We know the history between posters and step in when needed. We also aren't here 24/7 and sometimes it takes some time IF a post needs to be addressed.

Posts like yours do nothing more than fan the flames take threads even further off course.

Please re-read your response and ask yourself: how would I feel if I received this kind of response from an employee of TimeformUS?

[johnhannibalsmith]

I haven't seen craziness like this in awhile. Very entertaining to watch.

I read his posts backwards looking for hidden messages.

[Secondbest]

I knew it. Comcast upped the price (every little bit helps pay off the merger).,NYRA didn't want to pay. What it does for me is this In the afternoon in the summer I would put on the TV to catch late races at Belmont or Saratoga and usually bet. Then maybe del Mar or Santa Anita.
Now i won't .I don't want a Roku I don't need any new stuff. Once You get used to not doing something you forget about it ,so Once I' m used to not betting often eventually I stop.
Life goes on.

[proximity]

You think NYRA wants to hurt you?

Dude, get a f'n grip already.

remember when they kicked him and the other top bettors out of belmont two years ago? he was pretty mad then, so maybe he does think that?

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115906

[AltonKelsey]

I knew it. Comcast upped the price (every little bit helps pay off the merger).,NYRA didn't want to pay. What it does for me is this In the afternoon in the summer I would put on the TV to catch late races at Belmont or Saratoga and usually bet. Then maybe del Mar or Santa Anita.
Now i won't .I don't want a Roku I don't need any new stuff. Once You get used to not doing something you forget about it ,so Once I' m used to not betting often eventually I stop.
Life goes on.

The fact that NYRA gets priority on the channel means it gets first dibs on the players attention.

Now, its just another possible betting destination among many. And without it being force fed, many will naturally gravitate to BETTER betting cards elsewhere.

[Dahoss9698]

Is this really necessary?

Yes, I'm new here. You have to attack the guy?
For what?
Yeah you're new like Easygoer is new :rolleyes:

[Dahoss9698]

remember when they kicked him and the other top bettors out of belmont two years ago? he was pretty mad then, so maybe he does think that?

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115906
I don't but I'm sure he overreacted and then made a minor adjustment like he'll have to do here.

[EMD4ME]

remember when they kicked him and the other top bettors out of belmont two years ago? he was pretty mad then, so maybe he does think that?

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115906

Do you know what the result was?

They re-opened the Belmont room.

Ironically, I wasn't the one attending as my mother got hit by that "driver" shortly thereafter.

But they opened the room because the BIG BOYS wanted it open.

The client got what was right.

Same here.

That simple.

[EMD4ME]

I don't but I'm sure he overreacted and then made a minor adjustment like he'll have to do here.

Sorry. Incorrect. Read my last post please.

The internet does not properly deflect tone, intent and level of sanity. ;)

[EMD4ME]

I read his posts backwards looking for hidden messages.

OMG! This has to be one of the best JHB lines I've read since I've been here :lol: :lol: :lol:

[EMD4ME]

This sums it up.

EMD, you're literally have a meltdown over a mole hill. Let me try and walk you through this because your soooo far down the rabbit hole.

First off all streaming devices are is wifi enabled cable boxes. It's a glorified cable box. So this idea that it's a huge thing is entirely in your head. It's your own reluctance to change.

Second, NYRA added their signal to about 20 platforms in last couple years. They made a business decision that since the cost of broadcasting races in NYC was going up and the amount of viewers was going down due to cable cutters (cable tv customers are cratering Google it) to end the broadcasts. I know this doesn't fit the model of "how EMD would run NYRA" but it's actually a sound, smart business decision. You simply don't like it because you watch the channel.

EMD you always say "I'm the customer I'm always right." I'll put it to you simply you're not. This is an archaic business principle. The new billion dollar companies like EBay, Google, Facebook and Uber simply don't operate on this principle. Either do the majority of Fortune 500 companies. My suggestion is if you want this go back to the 1970's.

The other area you're completely wrong about is that your opinion or needs rank first. I've been involved in this sport for a long time. And every time you get the jockey, the owners, the horseman and the bettors in a room you get this. The jockeys say "my opinion trumps all because we risk our life's and without us you couldn't race. Operators say "our opinion trumps all because without our capital you couldn't race." Then trainers say "we get up at 4am and mold and take care of horse without which you couldn't race so we're actually the most important." And then bettors say "we create churn without which they're wouldn't be purses we matter most."

The point is no one is a customer. No one group trumps the other. It literally takes a village to run a track. And second one group declares themselves the ultimate end user or customer whose needs trump the others racing starts to die.

So no you are simply not as important as you think you are.

At the end of the day NYRA made a business decision to add some new viewing platforms and eliminate an older platform. You didn't like it because your platform was eliminated. You're welcome to not be happy. However the idea it was an unfair decision, a bad business decision or a sign of poor management simply isn't based on facts.

Now go have a drink, buy your parents a Roku, tell them it's the new cable box and move on with your life.


This is why some industries like this one are 1 1/2 feet in the grave. Shame...

Yes, there are many essential groups in this game BUT we are talking about supplying a long standing broadcast to the actual money maker in this game (the person betting). I can not see how YOU don't see that the client is the player.

Actually, wait one moment please.....yes, I can. You're a 4th floor track executive, looking down at the unwashed masses-who YOU think will be here no matter how bad you treat them.

[Dahoss9698]

Sorry. Incorrect. Read my last post please.

The internet does not properly deflect tone, intent and level of sanity. ;)
oh no, it definitely does.

The room is laughing AT YOU at this point not with you.

[sour grapes]

i have to agree with emd on this,horseplayers will bet other tracks if they have to go to TVG to watch nyra on tv,seems pennywise and pound foolish.i also think the parking fee is another bad move as it is another expense for the horseplayer who seems to be nickled and dimed by the track and in my opinion will not lure a younger crowd to bet on the ponies especially aqueduct.This is my 1st post but have read the board for a couple of years and have been going to nyra tracks for the past 35 -40 years and have witnessed the downfall of racing and these mgmt moves wont help.

[Dahoss9698]

:lol: :lol: :lol: how ironic.

Happy Holidays everyone. See you all again in a few months.

[cj]

Please re-read your response and ask yourself: how would I feel if I received this kind of response from an employee of TimeformUS?

I thought my response was civil and direct.

[the little guy]

:lol: :lol: :lol: how ironic.

Happy Holidays everyone. See you all again in a few months.


As if on cue. Too funny.

[burnsy]

The point is NYRA is using new technology platforms to try and drive younger players into the game. You give them zero credit.

And you're not addressing the issue that they taken nothing from you. You still have about 20 platforms available to access their product.

It's just not the platform you like.

Here's the thing. They should cast the widest net possible. Its not even a debate at this point, racing can not afford to lose one fan. There are several things at play here. NYC is pretty much the "base" of their operations even though its gone national and older people that have been following faithfully for years are the ones getting slighted. Basically, some of the best customers will see this negatively. Why should they give credit when its seen as a slight?

I live upstate and get Capital OTB so we get all of the coverage. Plus, as CJ mentioned I know how to hook up my HDMI to the big screen because I get "couch tours" and nugstv for music. But at 54 years old I have friends that are "off the grid". They still bet over the phone and are not interested in computers, they just never will be either. People look at them like they are nuts but they are from a different generation . My point is NYRA should be plastering that signal as far and wide as possible. Its just dumb not to. For crying out loud, they are hardly in the NYC papers anymore. They are screwing with their most loyal demo. The older fan, that puts pen to paper, buys a "News" or "Post" and has been playing since the 50's, 60's or 70's, innovation is good but stifling these folks is pretty dumb IMO. If one complains, that's too many.

[Polish Navy]

Here's the thing. They should cast the widest net possible. Its not even a debate at this point, racing can not afford to lose one fan. There are several things at play here. NYC is pretty much the "base" of their operations even though its gone national and older people that have been following faithfully for years are the ones getting slighted. Basically, some of the best customers will see this negatively. Why should they give credit when its seen as a slight?

I live upstate and get Capital OTB so we get all of the coverage. Plus, as CJ mentioned I know how to hook up my HDMI to the big screen because I get "couch tours" and nugstv for music. But at 54 years old I have friends that are "off the grid". They still bet over the phone and are not interested in computers, they just never will be either. People look at them like they are nuts but they are from a different generation . My point is NYRA should be plastering that signal as far and wide as possible. Its just dumb not to. For crying out loud, they are hardly in the NYC papers anymore. They are screwing with their most loyal demo. The older fan, that puts pen to paper, buys a "News" or "Post" and has been playing since the 50's, 60's or 70's, innovation is good but stifling these folks is pretty dumb IMO. If one complains, that's too many.

You don't need anyone's approval burnsy, but I just wanted to thank you for a very intelligent post.
Thank you.

[TravisVOX]

...My point is NYRA should be plastering that signal as far and wide as possible. Its just dumb not to...

Absolutely. This is 100% the truth.

In fact, the signal is available in HD, with multiple additional views, for free, on the internet, where the signal goes as far and wide as any technology platform out there. Much farther than NYC cable can reach. Heck, I'm pretty sure even at the International Space Station they can watch the NYRA feed. That's as far and wide as possible as you can get!

[Dahoss9698]

If one complains, that's too many.
I know I said I was going but I just can't get over the entitlement here and pretty much everywhere nowadays.

One is too many? Who could ever live up to those expectations? It's unrealistic.

[riskman]

I know I said I was going but I just can't get over the entitlement here and pretty much everywhere nowadays.

One is too many? Who could ever live up to those expectations? It's unrealistic.

It's so easy to point out the flaws in others, yet so very difficult to face our own!

[iamt]

I will give NYRA some credit and assume that they have made this decision considering how it may effect their customers.

There is obviously the carriage fee saving, and if this is a push that some customers need to move their business away from phones and onto to the online platform, then there would be a staff cost saving as well.

Against that there will be customers who are unwilling or unable to find the vision elsewhere, who will bet less (or not at all). Presumably this will have some impact on new accounts being created as the chances of a newbie having accidental exposure to the NYRA signal has been reduced.

NYRA has decided it is in their interests to make the change, and in the strictest business sense it may well be a valid decision.

My larger issue is that business decisions by individual tracks are not always in the interests of the industry as a whole. Racing has been struggling to create new players for generations, and this move (to whatever extent it may actually be and ignoring all the new platforms NYRA have pushed out) does remove one access point to the public.

[the little guy]

Can anyone tell me the other tracks/circuits that have their own designated cable channel just to show their signal?

[HoofedInTheChest]

Can anyone tell me the other tracks/circuits that have their own designated cable channel just to show their signal?
Woodbine

[Dahoss9698]

It's so easy to point out the flaws in others, yet so very difficult to face our own!
Did you just open a fortune cookie?

[the little guy]

Woodbine

Isn't that more of a Canadian station dedicated to racing?

[HoofedInTheChest]

Isn't that more of a Canadian station dedicated to racing?
Did you mean a "Network" channel? Like NBC, ABC CBS...

Yes, HPI is a racing channel, with one dedicated to Woodbine that you can get on cable, i think i am misunderstanding your question.

[AltonKelsey]

What about all the NIGHT racing they showed. and racing on NYRA dark days. Mountaineer, Charles Town, all the rest.

You mean to tell me this generated NO handle for those tracks that will now likely disappear? Could be. I'll assume they did all the due diligence they always do at NYRA before making this epic decision.

[NTamm1215]

What about all the NIGHT racing they showed. and racing on NYRA dark days. Mountaineer, Charles Town, all the rest.

You mean to tell me this generated NO handle for those tracks that will now likely disappear? Could be. I'll assume they did all the due diligence they always do at NYRA before making this epic decision.

Don't the people who bet with NYRA bets have access to live video via the ADW?

[EMD4ME]

As if on cue. Too funny.

PA,

Can you kindly confirm this new poster's IP address?

Seems like TLG and his little buddy think I created a new profile to defend myself.

Thanks,

EMD4ME

[EMD4ME]

TLG,

When does Telebet get closed down?

Without TV access, you would think this isn't needed either.

Thanks in advance,

EMD4ME

[EMD4ME]

Just in case people want to voice their opinions:

CKAY@NYRAINC.COM

Chris Kay


I'm sending my complaint directly to him and CC'd to a couple of other places.

[the little guy]

Did you mean a "Network" channel? Like NBC, ABC CBS...

Yes, HPI is a racing channel, with one dedicated to Woodbine that you can get on cable, i think i am misunderstanding your question.

Is this available for free on basic cable?

[the little guy]

PA,

Can you kindly confirm this new poster's IP address?

Seems like TLG and his little buddy think I created a new profile to defend myself.

Thanks,

EMD4ME

I can't speak for Dahoss, though I can guess, but this never occurred to me.

I am sorry that you have allowed yourself to be influenced by an unfortunate person who sadly dedicates a lot of his time to lying about me. You are a better person than this and I trust that one day you will see this.

All the best.

[EMD4ME]

I can't speak for Dahoss, though I can guess, but this never occurred to me.

I am sorry that you have allowed yourself to be influenced by an unfortunate person who sadly dedicates a lot of his time to lying about me. You are a better person than this and I trust that one day you will see this.

All the best.

Now I am totally confused....1) About Da Hoss and your comment 2) About the latter portion of your statement.

[burnsy]

I know I said I was going but I just can't get over the entitlement here and pretty much everywhere nowadays.

One is too many? Who could ever live up to those expectations? It's unrealistic.


It is unrealistic, but I myself know more than one person that is not online and bets horses. So there's way more than one. Plus, for some reason horse racing takes a "pass" that "the customer is always right". Then I gotta read posts by people like you that wonder why the game is losing popularity. Gee, I wonder why?

There are certain people that will defend whatever the hell this industry does, even if its starkly apparent that its a negative. Too many "shills" along for the ride and not enough soul searching and constructive criticism, a huge step back from where they should be thinking. The funniest thing is that NYRA is the closest thing to "doing it right", so that tells you how bad (customer service) is.

[AltonKelsey]

Don't the people who bet with NYRA bets have access to live video via the ADW?

Of course. But its easier for Mohammed to go to the mountain, than the other way around.

I believe the ease of flipping on the TV and seeing whatever racing is happening, has value as a motivator.

[classhandicapper]

This can be summed up rather nicely based on my experience at DRF.

Horseplayers are EXTREMELY resistant to change of any type, even when it's clearly a neutral or positive change, let alone if it's actually a negative change for some people. If you don't consider that when contemplating a change, expect a lot of angry customers. But they seem to get over it. ;)

[Tom]

Especially the type that is done for no good reason and then just dumped on them.

Seems to be widespread in this industry - no one gives a shit what the customers think. Would it hurt to get feedback before you go make your websites totally asinine?

[Dahoss9698]

It is unrealistic, but I myself know more than one person that is not online and bets horses. So there's way more than one. Plus, for some reason horse racing takes a "pass" that "the customer is always right". Then I gotta read posts by people like you that wonder why the game is losing popularity. Gee, I wonder why?

There are certain people that will defend whatever the hell this industry does, even if its starkly apparent that its a negative. Too many "shills" along for the ride and not enough soul searching and constructive criticism, a huge step back from where they should be thinking. The funniest thing is that NYRA is the closest thing to "doing it right", so that tells you how bad (customer service) is.
So you agree it's unrealistic and then doubled down on it. That's funny.

I'm the farthest thing from an industry apologist. I love racing and am well aware of how totally messed up it is. I'm a good enough handicapper that I can accept its many flaws...for now.

But if we are all expecting racing to care about us as much as we do it, we're all going to be disappointed a lot. It doesn't and never will. It's never going to be able to make everyone happy. And if we aren't happy we have the ability to speak with our wallets and not just empty posts on a message board.

[EMD4ME]

So you agree it's unrealistic and then doubled down on it. That's funny.

I'm the farthest thing from an industry apologist. I love racing and am well aware of how totally messed up it is. I'm a good enough handicapper that I can accept its many flaws...for now.

But if we are all expecting racing to care about us as much as we do it, we're all going to be disappointed a lot. It doesn't and never will. It's never going to be able to make everyone happy. And if we aren't happy we have the ability to speak with our wallets and not just empty posts on a message board.

Garyinseattle,

I don't like being forced to do so but I am because of their ignorance/terrible business accumen.

It also doesn't mean, I can't fight it till I'm blue in the face.

EMD4ME

[EMD4ME]

2 more thoughts:

When I see a friend about to hurt themself, I STOP them. I'm not the type to say A) I dont want to get involved or B) Defend why they are doing it.

I find it absolutely repulsive that motivated or unmotivated people DEFEND this insanely STUPID decision.

A wise man told me: You can't get 50 states to see the issues of 1.

I think this thread should only be allowed to be entered if you live in NYC.

No one in Chickasaw county Georgia, could possibly understand the breed of a long established new yawker.

[Dahoss9698]

Garyinseattle,

I don't like being forced to do so but I am because of their ignorance/terrible business accumen.

It also doesn't mean, I can't fight it till I'm blue in the face.

EMD4ME

PA already confirmed multiple times that Garyinseattle is not me, so there's that.

But hey, keep listening to people that have no idea what they are talking about and guys that spend all day harassing other guys on Twitter. That seems to be working out well for you and him. Maybe they can set you guys up with a 2 for 1 at Bellevue?

[Dahoss9698]

2 more thoughts:

When I see a friend about to hurt themself, I STOP them. I'm not the type to say A) I dont want to get involved or B) Defend why they are doing it.

I find it absolutely repulsive that motivated or unmotivated people DEFEND this insanely STUPID decision.

A wise man told me: You can't get 50 states to see the issues of 1.

I think this thread should only be allowed to be entered if you live in NYC.

No one in Chickasaw county Georgia, could possibly understand the breed of a long established new yawker.
No one cares

[Dahoss9698]

Imagine all of this drama because EMD isn't sharp enough time recognize a first time starter that propped in a race?

And we're supposed to believe this is a winning player? Yeah okay.

[chiguy]

Okay, having worked in the industry as a part time job for 28 years and being a customer of the industry for a little longer, my opinion is that there are currently so many different options to see and bet the races that if you currently cannot go on because one of the options was taken away then you are probably part of a very small segment that someone decided was worth the risk to lose for a savings of 500k. I also believe the less exposure that your sport/product/service has the harder it is going to be for you to grow it. When I was a kid growing up in Chicago, "Dollar" Bill Wirtz the owner of the Blackhawks decided not to show home games on local tv. Even game seven of the Stanley Cup Finals that was sold out. Hockey in Chicago took many more years to get a place on the sports fans radar as a result of that poor decision. Many problems have no good answer.

[EMD4ME]

PA already confirmed multiple times that Garyinseattle is not me, so there's that.

But hey, keep listening to people that have no idea what they are talking about and guys that spend all day harassing other guys on Twitter. That seems to be working out well for you and him. Maybe they can set you guys up with a 2 for 1 at Bellevue?

1) I gave you, what you gave me. Someone of my character ilk, would never create a 2nd profile to defend myself. I assume you would never do the same and taking you at your word, I wanted you to see what it feels like to be accussed of such childish crap.

2) You're interacting with a person, who wouldn't listen to GOD if he came down and said I will make sure the 6 wins this race, EMD bet the 6. I would STILL bet the horse I like. No one makes up the mind of EMD4ME, no one.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you can be more specific, so I could specifically comment?

[EMD4ME]

No one cares

People on track at NYRA and those can't be on track, care.

I don't care to know who, when, where or why, you say the things you do all I know is you remind me of other densitized souls who just accept things for what they are, in a cold and morbid way.

I spend every day of my life, smiling, no matter what the circumstance.

I spend every day of my life, thanking god 10 plus X a day for all that I have.

If I can help the people who are impacted by this ridiculously and egregriously incorrect business decision, than I will and I HAVE.

For those that care, you're welcome. For those that don't care, any normal one of them, would respect my actions.

I am not surprised you have an issue with my passion.

Unlike others on this board, I will stand up to any bully and you're # :1a:

[Dahoss9698]

I wish I cared about anything as much as EMD cares about fooling people here.

[EMD4ME]

I wish I cared about anything as much as EMD cares about fooling people here.

You're right and I it's about time I came clean.

I am a complete loser, who has no idea what he's doing. I have a huge inferiority complex, as I can't cap my way to a winner in a walkover.

I've fabricated all my ADW postings and I haven't been to a racetrack in 23 years as I can't affort the $2.50 for mass transit.

I give up. Time to come clean.

Thanks to you, my soul can be cleansed.

:rolleyes:

Can you please stop, you're putting me to sleep :sleeping: while I try and focus on replays.

I won't put you on ignore, as I want to be able to volunteer if anyone ever asks me if I have had any interactions with someone who is compensating for shortcomings with bullying and putting people down.

Who knows, maybe I can apply my minor in psychology one day and use you as a case study.

Anyway, I can't waste any more time on someone/something like you.

I feel slimy and dirty interacting with someone of your class.

You have a nice day now :)


vY-7Saluir8

[EMD4ME]

Okay, having worked in the industry as a part time job for 28 years and being a customer of the industry for a little longer, my opinion is that there are currently so many different options to see and bet the races that if you currently cannot go on because one of the options was taken away then you are probably part of a very small segment that someone decided was worth the risk to lose for a savings of 500k. I also believe the less exposure that your sport/product/service has the harder it is going to be for you to grow it. When I was a kid growing up in Chicago, "Dollar" Bill Wirtz the owner of the Blackhawks decided not to show home games on local tv. Even game seven of the Stanley Cup Finals that was sold out. Hockey in Chicago took many more years to get a place on the sports fans radar as a result of that poor decision. Many problems have no good answer.

Nice post chiguy. I wish you would post more.

I just feel, that no small segment of your clientele, especially your hardcore players, should be shooed away, regardless of cost (within reason).

Racing can not afford to lose any segment of their following. ZERO % of it.

I'd love to hear from NYRA employees, did we consider removing 1 stake from the schedule, reducing 1 card from the winter, taking some of that slot money instead of cutting the NYRA Network?

Heaven forbid we did that, perish the thought....

[thaskalos]

You're right and I it's about time I came clean.

I am a complete loser, who has no idea what he's doing. I have a huge inferiority complex, as I can't cap my way to a winner in a walkover.

I've fabricated all my ADW postings and I haven't been to a racetrack in 23 years as I can't affort the $2.50 for mass transit.

I give up. Time to come clean.

Thanks to you, my soul can be cleansed.

:rolleyes:

Can you please stop, you're putting me to sleep :sleeping: while I try and focus on replays.

I won't put you on ignore, as I want to be able to volunteer if anyone ever asks me if I have had any interactions with someone who is compensating for shortcomings with bullying and putting people down.

Who knows, maybe I can apply my minor in psychology one day and use you as a case study.

Anyway, I can't waste any more time on someone/something like you.

I feel slimy and dirty interacting with someone of your class.

You have a nice day now :)


vY-7Saluir8

I don't understand. A couple of weeks ago in the Jose Ortiz thread, you were welcoming Dahoss back to this site...and telling him how much he was "missed" here. How did he become a "low-class bully" so FAST?

[johnhannibalsmith]

... No one makes up the mind of EMD4ME, no one.

...

I read that in Patrick Swayze's voice. Forward.

[ReplayRandall]

I wish I cared about anything as much as EMD cares about fooling people here.

I guess you think EMD, as well as Vic, are not legit. Quick question: How did you come to that conclusion? Are you indeed legit yourself? Are you jealous of their successes, or do you just hate those who can accomplish what you can't?....Maybe this is just your twisted way of having fun.

[EMD4ME]

I don't understand. A couple of weeks ago in the Jose Ortiz thread, you were welcoming Dahoss back to this site...and telling him how much he was "missed" here. How did he become a "low-class bully" so FAST?

That's an easy answer.

He started speaking :lol: :lol: :lol:

On a more serious note....

He never tried to bully me before, so I didn't really pay attention to his words in full detail.

I heard others say really terrible things about him on here but I don't listen to other people's opinions. I hear them, place them in the back of my mind (just in case) but I make my own assessments of people.

After seeing his snide remark to me about making up some other fake profile (By the way, PA, can you please make time and find that IP address?) and his derogotary, bullying, unfactual remarks about me since then I went from cordial to telling him directly like it is.

Like any real person with character would.

[Dahoss9698]

I don't understand. A couple of weeks ago in the Jose Ortiz thread, you were welcoming Dahoss back to this site...and telling him how much he was "missed" here. How did he become a "low-class bully" so FAST?
I disagreed with him.

[thaskalos]

I guess you think EMD, as well as Vic, are not legit. Quick question: How did you come to that conclusion? Are you indeed legit yourself? Are you jealous of their successes, or do you just hate those who can accomplish what you can't?....Maybe this is just your twisted way of having fun.

How can you tell from afar if ANYONE is "legit"?

IMO...it is safest to assume that a horseplayer ISN'T what he presents himself to be. That way...one won't be misled as much as he would be otherwise. The most important question in MY mind is...does it really matter if others think that we are "legit" or not? To what extent should I be willing to go in order to prove someone wrong, when he calls me "illegit"?

Who really cares what others think?

[Dahoss9698]

The thought of a grown man thinking he's being bullied because I disagree with his weekly tinfoil hat conspiracy is VERY FUNNY.

Especially when said person makes a habit of slander and libel monthly.

But hey, he's a really good guy with impeccable morals. Just ask him, he'll tell you. Well....either him or one of his 5 names on here will.

[ReplayRandall]

How can you tell from afar if ANYONE is "legit"?

IMO...it is safest to assume that a horseplayer ISN'T what he presents himself to be. That way...one won't be misled as much as he would be otherwise. The most important question in MY mind is...does it really matter if others think that we are "legit" or not? To what extent should I be willing to go in order to prove someone wrong, when he calls me "illegit"?

Who really cares what others think?

You're right.....I don't care what YOU think..:cool:

[EasyGoer89]

I disagreed with him.

I went back and read this entire thread and the entire exchange with you and EMD and to be fair, he was very cordial and professional and calm to your first few posts, but you kept pushing the envelope and trying to elevate things, post 53 was a passive aggressive attempt, you didn't quote EMD but were obviously talking about him, using the word 'crazy', that didn't seem like you just respectfully disagreeing. EMD responded to you in post 55 and wasn't angry at all and then in 56 you went to the next level calling him an ass and looney toons, even in post 69, emd was still a pro towards you and you just kept digging and instigating in post 72.

Why keep pushing the envelope there? Just disagree and move on.

[cj]

I went back and read this entire thread and the entire exchange with you and EMD and to be fair, he was very cordial and professional and calm to your first few posts, but you kept pushing the envelope and trying to elevate things, post 53 was a passive aggressive attempt, you didn't quote EMD but were obviously talking about him, using the word 'crazy', that didn't seem like you just respectfully disagreeing. EMD responded to you in post 55 and wasn't angry at all and then in 56 you went to the next level calling him an ass and looney toons, even in post 69, emd was still a pro towards you and you just kept digging and instigating in post 72.

Why keep pushing the envelope there? Just disagree and move on.


Trying to be moderator again?

[EMD4ME]

i have to agree with emd on this,horseplayers will bet other tracks if they have to go to TVG to watch nyra on tv,seems pennywise and pound foolish.i also think the parking fee is another bad move as it is another expense for the horseplayer who seems to be nickled and dimed by the track and in my opinion will not lure a younger crowd to bet on the ponies especially aqueduct.This is my 1st post but have read the board for a couple of years and have been going to nyra tracks for the past 35 -40 years and have witnessed the downfall of racing and these mgmt moves wont help.

I find it amazing that right AFTER SRU points out Dahoss's reply to this post, Dahoss's sarcastic, snide post (also known as evidence) is deleted.

I truly hope that is a coincidence, due to tech issues or something else that's explainable (it was deleted due to inapropriate content).

[EasyGoer89]

Trying to be moderator again?

Can i? Pretty please w sugar on top?:D

[EMD4ME]

Trying to be moderator again?

With all due respect CJ and please put me in place if that's the case but I see nothing wrong with Easy Goer's post. Not because it can be perceived that it benefits the truth and if you want to call it this, "my side" BUT because Easy Goer89 simply took the facts at hand and recapped them. I didn't see Easy Goer89 playing moderator. I saw someone, just like when Thaskalos and Replay Randall chimed in, interacting in the discussion with concrete relevant words.

I'm glad Easygoer89 did that as I went back to the original DaHoss attack and just like that, it vanished.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Who is this SRU?

[thaskalos]

Who is this SRU?

And...what's he doing back on this board? :)

[cj]

With all due respect CJ and please put me in place if that's the case but I see nothing wrong with SRU's post. Not because it can be perceived that it benefits the truth and if you want to call it this, "my side" BUT because SRU simply took the facts at hand and recapped them. I didn't see SRU playing moderator. I saw someone, just like when Thaskalos and Replay Randall chimed in, interacting in the discussion with concrete relevant words.

I'm glad SRU did that as I went back to the original DaHoss attack and just like that, it vanished.

At some point I will go and clean up the thread. All posts like his do is further the bickering.

[EMD4ME]

Sorry Easy......Does a simple OOPS cover it? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[ReplayRandall]

Can i? Pretty please w sugar on top?:D

You're one weird chick, SRU.....or is it DB?

[EMD4ME]

At some point I will go and clean up the thread. All posts like his do is further the bickering.

Understood :ThmbUp:

[EMD4ME]

At some point I will go and clean up the thread. All posts like his do is further the bickering.

I would appreciate you doing that. This thread, like many others has a super important purpose and I would hate for someone to derail it and have it closed.

Thank you in advance CJ.

[Dahoss9698]

Why keep pushing the envelope there? Just disagree and move on.
Your entire presence here is pushing the envelope, no?

[Dahoss9698]

I would appreciate you doing that. This thread, like many others has a super important purpose and I would hate for someone to derail it and have it closed.

Thank you in advance CJ.
I had a post typed out, but I thought better of it. The truth is you aren't worth one more second of my time.

Water always has a way of finding its own level.

I wish you and the rest of your entourage happy holidays.

[EMD4ME]

I appreciate the (kinder half of your post) words. No hard feelings Dahoss. I'm a big boy, I get it.

I wish you the best, despite all this. Happy Holidays as well.....

[ReplayRandall]

I had a post typed out, but I thought better of it. The truth is you aren't worth one more second of my time.

Water always has a way of finding its own level.

I wish you and the rest of your entourage happy holidays.

Happy Holidays to you too, Dahoss......Now, go get your shine-box...:lol:

[Garyinseattle]

Garyinseattle,

I don't like being forced to do so but I am because of their ignorance/terrible business accumen.

It also doesn't mean, I can't fight it till I'm blue in the face.

EMD4ME


Dahoss is not me. Trust me. I know him fro Byk's board. Gone to Gulfstream with Hoss. I am not 1 1/100th the capper that he is. He gave me Ice Box to win Fl Derby at 26-1 the day we were there, Dahoss is a capping god !!!

[Dahoss9698]

Dahoss is not me. Trust me. I know him fro Byk's board. Gone to Gulfstream with Hoss. I am not 1 1/100th the capper that he is. He gave me Ice Box to win Fl Derby at 26-1 the day we were there, Dahoss is a capping god !!!
Ice Box was me but you loved that Roger Attfield turf horse that kicked off the pick 4. What a day that was!

[cj]

At some point I will go and clean up the thread. All posts like his do is further the bickering.

Here is the deal. I kept it short because I was at the Thunder game and reading during timeouts. Usually if two people are having a spat, I let it go. 9 times out of 10 it will work itself out. The two will come together or they will just agree to disagree and let it go. Usually after that I will get rid of posts that serve no purpose to the thread.

But when SRU or anyone else feels the need to chime in, particularly with a long post like that, the issues are almost never resolved. It just perpetuates the arguments.

He is the one pushing the envelope. It is like now that he has been exposed he has went right back to being the same type poster that got him banned in the first place. Of course he was drifting that way anyway which is how he was discovered.

[classhandicapper]

Setting aside all the bickering, would someone like to suggest the best option for me. Typically when I play from home I have the NYRA feed on my television and 1 ADW open where I can get 2 live feeds. So I can actively pay attention to racing at 3 tracks. I have accounts at several ADWs, so I can easily open 2 of them and that will give me 4 live feeds, but I really sort of prefer watching racing on my TV. I don't want to get too involved with new technologies just to get one of the feeds on my TV unless it's really easy and cheap.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Setting aside all the bickering, would someone like to suggest the best option for me. Typically when I play from home I have the NYRA feed on my television and 1 ADW open where I can get 2 live feeds. So I can actively pay attention to racing at 3 tracks. I have accounts at several ADWs, so I can easily open 2 of them and that will give me 4 live feeds, but I really sort of prefer watching racing on my TV. I don't want to get too involved with new technologies just to get one of the feeds on my TV unless it's really easy and cheap.

Use an empty video output from your machine (CPU, iWhatever, etc.) and run it to any available input on the television with the same video format (DVI, HDMI, VGA, etc.). Easy as connecting a cable and as cheap as owning one.

Assuming your machine supports dual or multiple monitors, you can use the television as an entirely new monitor to use how you want.

[Garyinseattle]

Ice Box was me but you loved that Roger Attfield turf horse that kicked off the pick 4. What a day that was!



Damn....good memory. Was the 1 horse with Lezcano......went off 6-1.

I Remember how poorly I bet that race......I went Lezcano horse/all/Ice Box/all
in the late pick 4. Of course Some huge Rick Dutrow horse that was chalk won the 2nd leg, and chalk won the last leg. But scored pretty well in the Ice Box Race.....Leparoux got 2nd on some 26-1 shot.....

Was a blast that day.....

[classhandicapper]

Use an empty video output from your machine (CPU, iWhatever, etc.) and run it to any available input on the television with the same video format (DVI, HDMI, VGA, etc.). Easy as connecting a cable and as cheap as owning one.

Assuming your machine supports dual or multiple monitors, you can use the television as an entirely new monitor to use how you want.

Thanks. I'll look into that.

[AltonKelsey]

Get yourself a new 40" 4k TV to use as a monitor. SAMSUNG in my case.
Don't even consider anything bigger for use a a pc monitor.

Just did that for LESS than $300 and it's amazing as the main computer monitor.


Takes a little getting used to (the size) but like the lady says, you'll never go back .

[Norm Gold]

wow what a bad beat you could have had huge pick 4. 6-1/ALL/26-1/ALL and the 2 dead chalks win Leg #2 and Leg #4.

[Norm Gold]

Ice Box was me but you loved that Roger Attfield turf horse that kicked off the pick 4. What a day that was!
That was a great day Ice Box was a great pick by you. I hope you had nice win bet on him, and huge picks.

[EMD4ME]

Dahoss is not me. Trust me. I know him fro Byk's board. Gone to Gulfstream with Hoss. I am not 1 1/100th the capper that he is. He gave me Ice Box to win Fl Derby at 26-1 the day we were there, Dahoss is a capping god !!!

Chee, I'd like to be a handicapping god as well. Can you please tell yourself, I mean Dahoss, that I need to improve my skills and that I need help?

For those, who have been bullied by Dahoss (No Breathalyzer for one), this one's for you ;)

[ReplayRandall]

That was a great day Ice Box was a great pick by you. I hope you had nice win bet on him, and huge picks.

I smell a phony poster.....Norm Gold, what a laugh...:lol:

[EMD4ME]

Damn....good memory. Was the 1 horse with Lezcano......went off 6-1.

I Remember how poorly I bet that race......I went Lezcano horse/all/Ice Box/all
in the late pick 4. Of course Some huge Rick Dutrow horse that was chalk won the 2nd leg, and chalk won the last leg. But scored pretty well in the Ice Box Race.....Leparoux got 2nd on some 26-1 shot.....

Was a blast that day.....

Wait....are we seriously discussing some "possible" good pick from 6 3/4 years ago?

WOW.......I make those good picks 16 and 3/4's time a month :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess rare wins are remembered passionately. The scarcer they are, the more we cherish them, human nature.

I hit for $10,000, then yawn, like it's expected and run to cap for the next card/day as it's not enough for me. No amount of winning EVER is enough for me.

You amaze yourself too easily :lol: :20: times!!!

[NorCalGreg]

I smell a phony poster.....Norm Gold, what a laugh...:lol:

LOL...there are quite a few more running around here, Randall. Very easy to mask IP's---has been for about a decade now.

One of the knuckleheads screwed up and pm'ed me few weeks ago--big mistake if you're trying to mask your IP. I just played along with his fantasy.

If I make a phony name, I'm NOT going to constantly refer to myself ...that's a "tell" right there. ....the poker player will get that one
#2....at least my phony name will be something CLEVER like:

TEQUILA_MOCKINBIRD-- come on guys--put a little thought into your "characters" :lol:

[EMD4ME]

I smell a phony poster.....Norm Gold, what a laugh...:lol:

NO.....


You want a good laugh?

I'm STILL laughing since last night over:

JG-tm9-5kmY

[EMD4ME]

LOL...there are quite a few more running around here, Randall. Very easy to mask IP's---has been for about a decade now.

One of the knuckleheads screwed up and pm'ed me few weeks ago--big mistake if you're trying to mask your IP. I just played along with his fantasy.

If I make a phony name, I'm NOT going to constantly refer to myself ...that's a "tell" right there. ....the poker player will get that one
#2....at least my phony name will be something CLEVER like:

TEQUILA_MOCKINBIRD-- come on guys--put a little thought into your "characters" :lol:

We've had our joshing but I have to say: You do keep it real. That I respect.

Now don't expect any more compliments till next year :D :D

[thaskalos]

Wait....are we seriously discussing some "possible" good pick from 6 3/4 years ago?

WOW.......I make those good picks 16 and 3/4's time a month :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess rare wins are remembered passionately. The scarcer they are, the more we cherish them, human nature.

I hit for $10,000, then yawn, like it's expected and run to cap for the next card/day as it's not enough for me. No amount of winning EVER is enough for me.

You amaze yourself too easily :lol: :20: times!!!
A true banker...

[EMD4ME]

A true banker...

I changed careers. I was too honest and moral for 21st century banking.

[thaskalos]

I changed careers. I was too honest and moral for 21st century banking.

A little late for a career change, NO?

What other career does banking prepare one for? Loansharking? :p

[EMD4ME]

A little late for a career change, NO?

What other career does banking prepare one for? Loansharking? :p

Late??? Don't make me feel old!!!! :(

You won't believe this but my strongest attributes are my leadership skills, analytical skills and morale building. I can work in any industry.

[Dahoss9698]

Wait....are we seriously discussing some "possible" good pick from 6 3/4 years ago?

WOW.......I make those good picks 16 and 3/4's time a month :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess rare wins are remembered passionately. The scarcer they are, the more we cherish them, human nature.

I hit for $10,000, then yawn, like it's expected and run to cap for the next card/day as it's not enough for me. No amount of winning EVER is enough for me.

You amaze yourself too easily :lol: :20: times!!!
We were actually reminiscing about a fun time we had. You know, friends having fun together. The money was irrelevant.

I realize that's probably a foreign concept to a guy who has to create friends on a message board by creating multiple names so I'll forgive your insane response.

I'm going to let you in in a BIG secret around here. No one cares about when or if you win. No one.

Thats just your need to try and impress us all. Funny thing is I can't ever remember you having a good opinion pre race. We get the redboards but in all of your posts very few pre race opinions.

Wonder why...

[Dahoss9698]

Late??? Don't make me feel old!!!! :(

You won't believe this but my strongest attributes are my leadership skills, analytical skills and morale building. I can work in any industry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

You're welcome.

[proximity]

A little late for a career change, NO?

What other career does banking prepare one for? Loansharking? :p

i heard a rumor that he went to work for brisnet a little bit ago.

maybe it's not true though?? :confused:

[EMD4ME]

We were actually reminiscing about a fun time we had. You know, friends having fun together. The money was irrelevant.

I realize that's probably a foreign concept to a guy who has to create friends on a message board by creating multiple names so I'll forgive your insane response.

I'm going to let you in in a BIG secret around here. No one cares about when or if you win. No one.

Thats just your need to try and impress us all. Funny thing is I can't ever remember you having a good opinion pre race. We get the redboards but in all of your posts very few pre race opinions.

Wonder why...


I guess TLG doesn't let you read the TLG ROI thread....

POST 370 for one....

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135083&page=25&pp=15

[Norm Gold]

Seriously what is a phoney poster? Not sure what your saying im not real? I have been a member for awhile.

[Dahoss9698]

I stand corrected. 7000 posts with this name and a couple thousand with a bunch of others and one pre race winner.

Impressive

[EMD4ME]

Results: 4982

Super paid $650 for a dime.

Pick 4 paid ok.

[EMD4ME]

I stand corrected. 7000 posts with this name and a couple thousand with a bunch of others and one pre race winner.

Impressive


Oooh OOOH OOOOH, I like this game. Let's make Dahoss apologize again and make it 2 for every 7000.

You like to go back years, so let me play tit for tat.

Post 19: Forecasting 1/9 off the board and picking the winner.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115603&page=2&pp=15&highlight=trackattacker

[EMD4ME]

i heard a rumor that he went to work for brisnet a little bit ago.

maybe it's not true though?? :confused:


SShhhh. Don't tell Delta, he will kill me..... :( :lol:

[EMD4ME]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

You're welcome.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection


I HATE Narcissistic people. HATE.

Left 1 socially and left 1 professionally.

HATE them.

Makes sense, as you seem to fit in that category as well. But...I don't know you so I can't comment on you formally.

[ReplayRandall]

Seriously what is a phoney poster? Not sure what your saying im not real? I have been a member for awhile.

Your first post is dated 08-04-16......I believe you were singing the praises of dahoss in each and every post.....Get that shine-box out and shine his shoes, why don't ya......Frickin' mirrors..:lol:

[Dahoss9698]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Not that one but I'm sure a few others. I own it at least. I'm not trying to play choir boy here while slandering people, attacking people, etc.

[EMD4ME]

Not that one but I'm sure a few others. I own it at least. I'm not trying to play choir boy here while slandering people, attacking people, etc.

Can you excuse me please? I'm trying to interact with these wonderful PA members, Norm Gold and Gary In Seattle.

[EMD4ME]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

Maybe this one :)

[EMD4ME]

Dahoss, you're a poor hitman. Tell your bosses, they should've hired a pro. ;)

I won't waste any more of your time sir.



With that said: Whatsayyou own your side of the street and I simply walk on my side?

[thespaah]

I have RTN....I use it for replays only.

I don't like going back and forth on my laptop between screens (to watch a race live). I want a different feed for my HDTV, WHILE I use formulator, Timeform on my laptop to study (and then wager via my ADW on my laptop).

PLUS, you just hit my family's life. My mother and dad can never watch a race again at home, without ME somehow making it happen, all the time.

All for what? To be penny wise and a million foolish?
So watching on the internet is not an option at all?.....Any chance of getting satellite tv there so they can at least get TVG?....
Ya know, with a decent hdmi output to a regular sized tv from a computer and they are back in business.
Loo, I'd be pissed too. But that isn't going to solve anything. I fume, then I find a solution.....

[Norm Gold]

Your first post is dated 08-04-16......I believe you were singing the praises of dahoss in each and every post.....Get that shine-box out and shine his shoes, why don't ya......Frickin' mirrors..:lol:
Randall My first post was 08-04-16. I have been a member for maybe 5 yrs. I followed Dahoss this saratoga meet and went down with his 0-38 streak. I am just curious how this makes me Phoney?

[thespaah]

I cannot read the story.
You canc/p it here as long as you include the link/...Or just post the nuts and bolts of the story.
Thanks.....BTW, I do have a DRF account. I just cannot view the story for some frustratingly stupid reason

[ReplayRandall]

Randall My first post was 08-04-16. I have been a member for maybe 5 yrs. I followed Dahoss this saratoga meet and went down with his 0-38 streak. I am just curious how this makes me Phoney?

Stop the nonsense.....Conversation's over.

[thespaah]

Might need a DRF live acct to read this post, but some more detail into why this decision by NYRA:

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/34358

I just hope if they're going to direct all people to their apps, website, MSG show etc that they can reduce the lag time on these broadcasts, somewhat substantial from the last few times I've checked. For those used to the no-lag broadcast on TV it can be a pain to get used to when trying to get last second bets in.
Unfortunately, unless you are watching it in person or on the closed circuit monitors at the track, you are not seeing the video on real time.
There is always going to be a delay...Just for nothing I sometimes will have nyralive on my computer and tvg on the tv. Often, the nyra live feed is AHEAD in time over TVG

[thespaah]

What's the average age of a horseplayer?

Please take that average and tell me what % utilize the internet to wager please.

THEN, please tell me what the NYRA BETS/NYRA REWARDS telephone handle is.

What % of the telephone betters, rely upon the NYRA network, to watch a race?
Dunno..But they can STILL watch it on their computers.
Things change. One has to adjust if they want to continue on.
I don't know the inner workings of the story as to why NYRA made this decision, but the fact still remains, NYRA is not 'cut off' in the 5 boroughs. It just isn't on tv anymore.
In fact, its not on tv in a majority of the state's cable systems. They haven't carried the channel for years.
A couple years ago, Time Warner moved the OTB channel( upstate north of Albany) to an all digital tier. Meaning, in order to continue viewing the channel, one had to lease a digital converter. In downstate Rockland County, the channel is not in the lineup at all. SO NYC is not the only place where this service is not part of a cable channel lineup...

[Norm Gold]

Thanks for elaborating for me.

[thespaah]

This sums it up.

EMD, you're literally have a meltdown over a mole hill. Let me try and walk you through this because your soooo far down the rabbit hole.

First off all streaming devices are is wifi enabled cable boxes. It's a glorified cable box. So this idea that it's a huge thing is entirely in your head. It's your own reluctance to change.

Second, NYRA added their signal to about 20 platforms in last couple years. They made a business decision that since the cost of broadcasting races in NYC was going up and the amount of viewers was going down due to cable cutters (cable tv customers are cratering Google it) to end the broadcasts. I know this doesn't fit the model of "how EMD would run NYRA" but it's actually a sound, smart business decision. You simply don't like it because you watch the channel.

EMD you always say "I'm the customer I'm always right." I'll put it to you simply you're not. This is an archaic business principle. The new billion dollar companies like EBay, Google, Facebook and Uber simply don't operate on this principle. Either do the majority of Fortune 500 companies. My suggestion is if you want this go back to the 1970's.

The other area you're completely wrong about is that your opinion or needs rank first. I've been involved in this sport for a long time. And every time you get the jockey, the owners, the horseman and the bettors in a room you get this. The jockeys say "my opinion trumps all because we risk our life's and without us you couldn't race. Operators say "our opinion trumps all because without our capital you couldn't race." Then trainers say "we get up at 4am and mold and take care of horse without which you couldn't race so we're actually the most important." And then bettors say "we create churn without which they're wouldn't be purses we matter most."

The point is no one is a customer. No one group trumps the other. It literally takes a village to run a track. And second one group declares themselves the ultimate end user or customer whose needs trump the others racing starts to die.

So no you are simply not as important as you think you are.

At the end of the day NYRA made a business decision to add some new viewing platforms and eliminate an older platform. You didn't like it because your platform was eliminated. You're welcome to not be happy. However the idea it was an unfair decision, a bad business decision or a sign of poor management simply isn't based on facts.

Now go have a drink, buy your parents a Roku, tell them it's the new cable box and move on with your life.
:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[thespaah]

Since you're new, let me restate something I've said in the past for you and others. Let the owner and the moderators moderate. We know the history between posters and step in when needed. We also aren't here 24/7 and sometimes it takes some time IF a post needs to be addressed.

Posts like yours do nothing more than fan the flames take threads even further off course.
Holy macs...The flame's going out. Quick. Get the bellows!!!!
All kidding aside.
Yeah. I concur on your point.

[thespaah]

I knew it. Comcast upped the price (every little bit helps pay off the merger).,NYRA didn't want to pay. What it does for me is this In the afternoon in the summer I would put on the TV to catch late races at Belmont or Saratoga and usually bet. Then maybe del Mar or Santa Anita.
Now i won't .I don't want a Roku I don't need any new stuff. Once You get used to not doing something you forget about it ,so Once I' m used to not betting often eventually I stop.
Life goes on.
Isn't that a little drastic?
I mean, it looks like you are willing to burn down your house to rid your kitchen on sugar ants.
Look, I'm no techie. But, if something is important enough for me to view and its not on tv, the next step is to find it on line or ( not that I have one yet) one of the streaming services.

[EMD4ME]

Dunno..But they can STILL watch it on their computers.
Things change. One has to adjust if they want to continue on.
I don't know the inner workings of the story as to why NYRA made this decision, but the fact still remains, NYRA is not 'cut off' in the 5 boroughs. It just isn't on tv anymore.
In fact, its not on tv in a majority of the state's cable systems. They haven't carried the channel for years.
A couple years ago, Time Warner moved the OTB channel( upstate north of Albany) to an all digital tier. Meaning, in order to continue viewing the channel, one had to lease a digital converter. In downstate Rockland County, the channel is not in the lineup at all. SO NYC is not the only place where this service is not part of a cable channel lineup...

So basically your point is that the NYRA channel is not available in boondocks NY.

Those people aren't going to be visiting AQU 2x a week for the next 10 years. However, not having it on TV in their areas gives NYRA about a .00000001% of ever capturing a client from those boondocks area. Still, not a wise decision but whatever. I wouldn't spent too much money on boondock NY either.

The marketplace for live racing is the 5 borough area. 10,400,000 people here.

Please allow me to ask you this. Would you buy a channel for $500,000 a year ( that pays for itself VIA handle ), so that you could possibly reach a portion of 10,400,000 people?

Somehow I think your and everyone's answer is yes.

[EMD4ME]

Isn't that a little drastic?
I mean, it looks like you are willing to burn down your house to rid your kitchen on sugar ants.
Look, I'm no techie. But, if something is important enough for me to view and its not on tv, the next step is to find it on line or ( not that I have one yet) one of the streaming services.

Not to speak for the quoted poster but mostly:

Either:

A) Someone will quit betting
B) Start learning the internet (fat chance)
C) Be like me and simply change ADW's.

[Garyinseattle]

wow what a bad beat you could have had huge pick 4. 6-1/ALL/26-1/ALL and the 2 dead chalks win Leg #2 and Leg #4.


Not so much a bad beat as it was horrible betting.....didn't play any pick 3's, doubles, or bigger tix singling chalk....I believe the pick 3 6-1/huge chalk/26-1 paid like 700 for a buck......didn't have it....

[Garyinseattle]

Chee, I'd like to be a handicapping god as well. Can you please tell yourself, I mean Dahoss, that I need to improve my skills and that I need help?

For those, who have been bullied by Dahoss (No Breathalyzer for one), this one's for you ;)


I'm not getting involved with any fights between you and Dahoss......but I will tell you again, I am not him. A few on here know who I am and have stated that Dahoss and I aren't the same person.

Move on already.

[EMD4ME]

So watching on the internet is not an option at all?.....Any chance of getting satellite tv there so they can at least get TVG?....
Ya know, with a decent hdmi output to a regular sized tv from a computer and they are back in business.
Loo, I'd be pissed too. But that isn't going to solve anything. I fume, then I find a solution.....

NO. I'm a last second super FAST series of bets bettor. I want to see it live on my TV and type away, click away on my laptop.

PERIOD.

If they don't understand it, too bad. Their monetary loss.

As for my parents? My mother is legally blind. My father can't unplug a blowdryer and you want them to learn to use a PC etc.

Fat chance.

NYRA could've easily sent out a questionnaire to all players (but why waste that postage-interacting with clients :bang: ) but they didn't.

Someone didn't think this through.

Or maybe there's something else behind it.

If the NYRA Network is gone, I would say Telebet is gone. More jobs gone in upstate NY.

Wonderful gov we have with his appointed "match" watcher in charge :bang:

By the way, where are the NYS breeders in all this? Sleeping? Unaware? Not understanding the impact?

Where is all this slot money going? All to purses? Maybe someone could actually provide some value, instead of telling me I don't get it AND point me to the allocation of slot revenue.

I know a portion goes to purses and capital expenditures. Where does the rest go?

[EMD4ME]

What next, will NYRA remove the TV access on track?

Before you choke and curse my name......know this and hear it out pretty please.


On track, we have nice HDTV's at our semi private desks with a tiny tim.

My laptop is to my left (10 o'clock) TV is dead center (12) and the tiny time to the right (2 pm).

I cap to my left, keep an eye on horses/odds dead center and punch right handed with my tim.

What if someone said: You're screen will be blank now? We're taking that TV away.

I'D QUIT betting period. Why? Because I can't stare at the horses warming up, odds, etc WHILE I'm trying to cap (ON THE SAME SCREEN). NOT POSSIBLE.

[Garyinseattle]

Wait....are we seriously discussing some "possible" good pick from 6 3/4 years ago?

WOW.......I make those good picks 16 and 3/4's time a month :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess rare wins are remembered passionately. The scarcer they are, the more we cherish them, human nature.

I hit for $10,000, then yawn, like it's expected and run to cap for the next card/day as it's not enough for me. No amount of winning EVER is enough for me.

You amaze yourself too easily :lol: :20: times!!!



Like I could give a shit how much you win or lose at the track, or any of your past bets. I was implying mine was a horrible bet. Reading comprehension a problem for you?


For a guy who whines and cries about EVERYTHING you have balls calling out others. I can see that you spend 98% of your life on here constantly bitching how unfair every jockey colony, NYRA, adw, tv feed .....is to you.

Cute posting your 4.00 and 8.00 pick 4 tickets you big whale you.

[EMD4ME]

Like I could give a shit how much you win or lose at the track, or any of your past bets. I was implying mine was a horrible bet. Reading comprehension a problem for you?


For a guy who whines and cries about EVERYTHING you have balls calling out others. I can see that you spend 98% of your life on here constantly bitching how unfair every jockey colony, NYRA, adw, tv feed .....is to you.

Cute posting your 4.00 and 8.00 pick 4 tickets you big whale you.

I guess you don't want to walk on your side Dahoss?

Like any sharpie, I'm versatile. $2000 when needed and $9.60 when needed. Pick 5 monday, cold exacta tuesday, show parlay wednesday, pick 6 thursday etc.

You go where your edge is.

But....I couldn't expect you to understand that as YOU are my edge :lol:

[Garyinseattle]

I stand corrected. 7000 posts with this name and a couple thousand with a bunch of others and one pre race winner.

Impressive


This guy is a piece of work man. Love these guys who post blotters with cherry picked winnings. Some serious sized wagers too......lol......

[EMD4ME]

Gary, I knew from your 1st post, who you were and what you were up to.

I even have a PM to prove it. You smell from 3200 miles way, or should I say 3200 feet away ;)

[johnhannibalsmith]

I smell an Emmy for NYRA if they broadcast this reality shitfest on the channel instead.

[Garyinseattle]

I guess you don't want to walk on your side Dahoss?

Like any sharpie, I'm versatile. $2000 when needed and $9.60 when needed. Pick 5 monday, cold exacta tuesday, show parlay wednesday, pick 6 thursday etc.

You go where your edge is.

But....I couldn't expect you to understand that as YOU are my edge :lol:



Let's make a wager on if I am Dahoss. Since you are such a huge bettor $5000 bucks should be good. Let's go man. Put up or shut up.

[Garyinseattle]

Gary, I knew from your 1st post, who you were and what you were up to.

I even have a PM to prove it. You smell from 3200 miles way, or should I say 3200 feet away ;)


I pm'd you?

Ok, lets bet $5000 on that.


Not only are you a whining bitch, you are a liar.

[EMD4ME]

I smell an Emmy for NYRA if they broadcast this reality shitfest on the channel instead.

:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :lol: :lol:

Well, something tells me we have some emmy award winning actors here ;)

Chee, I wonder why :rolleyes:

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Reason #3,543 why New York sucks.

:lol:

[EMD4ME]

This guy is a piece of work man. Love these guys who post blotters with cherry picked winnings. Some serious sized wagers too......lol......


How much recreation time do they give you in Creedmore?

$1000 bet to small for you?

Post 21 child.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131488&page=2&pp=15&highlight=greatest+racetrack

[Garyinseattle]

:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :lol: :lol:

Well, something tells me we have some emmy award winning actors here ;)

Chee, I wonder why :rolleyes:



Thought so......you talk a lot of shit, but when called out you fold up and run away.


Keep up the constant whining on here about how everyone in the racing world is out to get you. Is entertaining watching you go on tilt on here every 11 minutes....

[EMD4ME]

Let's make a wager on if I am Dahoss. Since you are such a huge bettor $5000 bucks should be good. Let's go man. Put up or shut up.

Wait......

Do you think I am going to meet you in person, have you somehow sell me that you are not Dahoss (when I don't even know and I don't care who Dahoss is) and then you expect me to pay you $5000?

I told you once and I'll tell you again. Pick up the phone, call your leader and tell them you failed. Apologize for not being what they expected you to be and find something else to do.

At this point, I've burned too many brain cells so I'm afraid I'm going to have to refrain from replying to you. You'll need to find some other target.

Have a nice day :)

vY-7Saluir8

P.S. Nice name Dahoss....you figured you'd be able to befriend me or invoke some sort of emotional reaction by the Seattle (as I love Emerald Downs) part of your name. :rolleyes:

You need to do better than that sir :cool:

[PaceAdvantage]

Garyinseattle,

I don't like being forced to do so but I am because of their ignorance/terrible business accumen.

It also doesn't mean, I can't fight it till I'm blue in the face.

EMD4MEStop listening to Vic. DaHoss and GIS are NOT the same person. You know I only speak the truth...

[Garyinseattle]

How much recreation time do they give you in Creedmore?

$1000 bet to small for you?

Post 21 child.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131488&page=2&pp=15&highlight=greatest+racetrack


Real original...The Creedmore thing. Come up with your own material.



$1000 bucks is fine....accept the bet and I will pm the mods of this site a copy of my drivers license and they can check my IP. Then Dahoss can do the same. Hopefully you will pay up when you lose.


Unless you accept the bet I'm done with you, no use in clogging this place up anymore trying to talk with you.

[EMD4ME]

Stop listening to Vic. DaHoss and GIS are NOT the same person. You know I only speak the truth...

HUH?????? :bang: :bang: :bang:

You think Vic and I communicate???

I tried PM ing him 2 weeks ago, as I wanted to get some Professional Gambler filing information (schedule C questions).

It came back that he isn't accepting PMs.

Even if he was here, VIC HATES ME :lol:

[Garyinseattle]

Stop listening to Vic. DaHoss and GIS are NOT the same person. You know I only speak the truth...


Sorry if his bs with me clogged this place up. I'll stop. How you mod a site with this lunatic on on here 24/7 is amazing. Thanks for clearing up that DH and me are not the same person.....

[EMD4ME]

Stop listening to Vic. DaHoss and GIS are NOT the same person. You know I only speak the truth...

OK. If you say so, I accept.

Mr. Gary in Seattle, my apologies. Sincerely.

I would venture that both of you could see HOW and WHY I felt that way.

Between Norm and Gary and Dahoss etc. it's only natural.

Nevertheless, my apologies.

[thespaah]

So basically your point is that the NYRA channel is not available in boondocks NY.

Those people aren't going to be visiting AQU 2x a week for the next 10 years. However, not having it on TV in their areas gives NYRA about a .00000001% of ever capturing a client from those boondocks area. Still, not a wise decision but whatever. I wouldn't spent too much money on boondock NY either.

The marketplace for live racing is the 5 borough area. 10,400,000 people here.

Please allow me to ask you this. Would you buy a channel for $500,000 a year ( that pays for itself VIA handle ), so that you could possibly reach a portion of 10,400,000 people?

Somehow I think your and everyone's answer is yes.
Of course to us older ( over 40 people) keeping it on the TV makes complete sense.
However, the method by which we view video content is changing.
We have to change with it, or join the ranks of the excluded.
I don't care for it. However, I have come to the realization that unless I have the money to BUY NYRA ( for example) I don't get to have a say. So i adjust.
Look, after the flying fur settles, where are you? Right in the same place that you started when you started your commentary.
Now that the 'pissed off' part has been exhausted, its time to find a solution.
At least that's how I handle things like this. I rant, get out the poison, then find a solution.

[EMD4ME]

Of course to us older ( over 40 people) keeping it on the TV makes complete sense.
However, the method by which we view video content is changing.
We have to change with it, or join the ranks of the excluded.
I don't care for it. However, I have come to the realization that unless I have the money to BUY NYRA ( for example) I don't get to have a say. So i adjust.
Look, after the flying fur settles, where are you? Right in the same place that you started when you started your commentary.
Now that the 'pissed off' part has been exhausted, its time to find a solution.
At least that's how I handle things like this. I rant, get out the poison, then find a solution.

Finally, an adult conversation, on topic.

Yes, you are correct. The solution is I change useage of ADW's.

[PaceAdvantage]

HUH?????? :bang: :bang: :bang:

You think Vic and I communicate???

I tried PM ing him 2 weeks ago, as I wanted to get some Professional Gambler filing information (schedule C questions).

It came back that he isn't accepting PMs.

Even if he was here, VIC HATES ME :lol:Pretty sure I'm referring to the time Gary showed up here and Vic also tried to point out that DaHoss & Gary were the same person.

Try and keep up... :lol:

[EMD4ME]

Reason #3,543 why New York sucks.

:lol:


Hey...... :mad:



Just kidding :)

[EMD4ME]

Pretty sure I'm referring to the time Gary showed up here and Vic also tried to point out that DaHoss & Gary were the same person.

Try and keep up... :lol:

I don't remember that but it kinda rings a bell now that you mention it.

Again, my apologies. If you say so, I take it as true.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

I'm extremely confused.

What is the bet?

[thespaah]

So basically your point is that the NYRA channel is not available in boondocks NY.

Those people aren't going to be visiting AQU 2x a week for the next 10 years. However, not having it on TV in their areas gives NYRA about a .00000001% of ever capturing a client from those boondocks area. Still, not a wise decision but whatever. I wouldn't spent too much money on boondock NY either.

The marketplace for live racing is the 5 borough area. 10,400,000 people here.

Please allow me to ask you this. Would you buy a channel for $500,000 a year ( that pays for itself VIA handle ), so that you could possibly reach a portion of 10,400,000 people?

Somehow I think your and everyone's answer is yes.
Not just the boondocks. Rockland is a NYC suburban county. Right across from Westchester. In fact there are 5 locations in Rockland County. No cable system in Rockland carries the channel..

[EMD4ME]

Not just the boondocks. Rockland is a NYC suburban county. Right across from Westchester. In fact there are 5 locations in Rockland County. No cable system in Rockland carries the channel..

Ok, that's relatively close enough but I wouldn't be proud of that. That's not a good thing.


Point is NYC, 5 boroughs and 10.4 (8.4 legal and about 2.0 possibly illegal) million people are no longer reached out to via this relatively inexpensive investment.

[Norm Gold]

Not so much a bad beat as it was horrible betting.....didn't play any pick 3's, doubles, or bigger tix singling chalk....I believe the pick 3 6-1/huge chalk/26-1 paid like 700 for a buck......didn't have it....
what did the pick 4 pay? That was a nice pick 3 $700 for $1 WITH DEAD CHALK.

[Norm Gold]

Real original...The Creedmore thing. Come up with your own material.



$1000 bucks is fine....accept the bet and I will pm the mods of this site a copy of my drivers license and they can check my IP. Then Dahoss can do the same. Hopefully you will pay up when you lose.


Unless you accept the bet I'm done with you, no use in clogging this place up anymore trying to talk with you.
He can't pay up all his money is tied up in 20 Cent pick 5's. Every time he cashes we get to see his NYRA balance sheet. Let me pick a Icon here :rolleyes: :20: X

[Norm Gold]

I think you have a touch of something there captain. They make pills, and have people to talk to about crazy conspiracy theories.

[RunForTheRoses]

I smell an Emmy for NYRA if they broadcast this reality shitfest on the channel instead.

LOL you may be a marketing genius, probably couldn't hurt.

[Dahoss9698]

Stop the nonsense.....Conversation's over.
You realize this creep is actually trolling me right?

If you weren't so stuck on trying to be the best cheerleader you can you'd figure that out

[Dahoss9698]

Randall My first post was 08-04-16. I have been a member for maybe 5 yrs. I followed Dahoss this saratoga meet and went down with his 0-38 streak. I am just curious how this makes me Phoney?
This is cute.

[Dahoss9698]

Stop listening to Vic. DaHoss and GIS are NOT the same person. You know I only speak the truth...
This is it in a nutshell. It's all about jealousy and some really weak minded people.

EMD clearly has no "real life" friends. Hes so wrapped up in this site that he's listening to Vic and his other buddy Only11. You remember him, right? He's had like 20 names on here.

[Dahoss9698]

HUH?????? :bang: :bang: :bang:

You think Vic and I communicate???

I tried PM ing him 2 weeks ago, as I wanted to get some Professional Gambler filing information (schedule C questions).

It came back that he isn't accepting PMs.

Even if he was here, VIC HATES ME :lol:
This says it all. You even admit to reaching out to him.

A big timer like yourself doesn't know how to file taxes?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Dahoss9698]

I find it hilarious EMD ran away as soon as the thought of a $5000 bet came up.

[no breathalyzer]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Some real comedy gold in this thread :rolleyes: .. just another daily reminder to myself...... these are some of the people i'm betting against in this game of horse racing :) EASYGAME

[classhandicapper]

Ok, that's relatively close enough but I wouldn't be proud of that. That's not a good thing.


Point is NYC, 5 boroughs and 10.4 (8.4 legal and about 2.0 possibly illegal) million people are no longer reached out to via this relatively inexpensive investment.


I don't want to debate the merits of what NYRA is doing because I'm sure they have cash flow and other considerations I don't know about. I agree that it's bummer the network will be off, but I'm a little confused as to why you feel it's necessary to switch ADWs over this other than as some kind of punishment of NYRA or negotiating ploy to work out a better deal to keep your handle.

[Garyinseattle]

what did the pick 4 pay? That was a nice pick 3 $700 for $1 WITH DEAD CHALK.

Not completely sure.....the horse was a 2-1 favorite in last and it was a big field. I want to say it paid something like $2000 for 2 bucks......somewhere around that....

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't want to debate the merits of what NYRA is doing because I'm sure they have cash flow and other considerations I don't know about. I agree that it's bummer the network will be off, but I'm a little confused as to why you feel it's necessary to switch ADWs over this other than as some kind of punishment of NYRA or negotiating ploy to work out a better deal to keep your handle.Negotiating ploy might be the bingo winner here...although I suspect if EMD is as big a player as he says he is, he's getting a sweet deal already...

[EMD4ME]

Negotiating ploy might be the bingo winner here...although I suspect if EMD is as big a player as he says he is, he's getting a sweet deal already...

Regardless of whether I get 13% at NYRA and 13% elsewhere or 7 and 7 or 5 and 13 or 13 and 5 etc......They don't deserve the business, so it's going elsewhere.

When are you people going to truly believe what I say?

1) Character
2) Loyalty
3) Your word

Nothing else matters in this world.


On a different note. PA, you were gracious enough to do the research on Gary and Dahoss (not being the same person).

However, I asked you twice to check the IP address/whatever else you check for Sour Grapes but I haven't seen a response from you.

Dahoss keeps fabricating crazy ideas that I have multiple profiles. I am once again asking YOU to clear that up.

In fact, I am offering a $10,000 wager to anyone here, to anyone who can prove that I have EVER had a second profile.

I trust you will read this and will do what you did for Dahoss, for me.

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't think you've ever had a second profile, which is why I forgot to check on Sour Grapes...if I don't believe something, it usually leaves my mind quickly...my apologies.

I believe what you say and I believe that YOU believe what you say, which sometimes scares me. :lol:

[EMD4ME]

I don't want to debate the merits of what NYRA is doing because I'm sure they have cash flow and other considerations I don't know about. I agree that it's bummer the network will be off, but I'm a little confused as to why you feel it's necessary to switch ADWs over this other than as some kind of punishment of NYRA or negotiating ploy to work out a better deal to keep your handle.


This 1 newstand by me was rude to many patrons, including my mother, so I stopped shopping there.

A gas station that is convenient to me, was unprofessional to me over a situation, never went back.

A merchant I frequent, never says hello to their clients as they reach the register. After asking him why don't you at least say hello to people, he got flustered and stumbled his words. I went back, again and again, same thing. No smile, no thank you, no hello. Never went back.

I keep friends who are loyal and true and completely eliminate friends who show poor character.

I don't date women who shop around for a new man, while in a relationship (as she can do the same to me).

Get the point? It's all about character and proper etiquette. If I feel a business is not yearning for my business, I can only speak with my wallet, so I am doing so.

In fact, I can't respect anyone who DOESN'T do that. They enable the other party to continue on.

[EMD4ME]

I don't think you've ever had a second profile, which is why I forgot to check on Sour Grapes...if I don't believe something, it usually leaves my mind quickly...my apologies.

I believe what you say and I believe that YOU believe what you say, which sometimes scares me. :lol:

Cool PA, thanks :)

But, can you still check please?

[PaceAdvantage]

However, I asked you twice to check the IP address/whatever else you check for Sour Grapes but I haven't seen a response from you.

Dahoss keeps fabricating crazy ideas that I have multiple profiles. I am once again asking YOU to clear that up.There is no evidence that Sour Grapes and you are the same.

In fact, there is only slightly more evidence that you and DAHOSS are the same... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[thaskalos]

I don't think you've ever had a second profile, which is why I forgot to check on Sour Grapes...if I don't believe something, it usually leaves my mind quickly...my apologies.

I believe what you say and I believe that YOU believe what you say, which sometimes scares me. :lol:
Is this "second profile" option available to EVERYBODY...or only for a select few? The idea of a "fresh start" here has grown on me...

[EMD4ME]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Some real comedy gold in this thread :rolleyes: .. just another daily reminder to myself...... these are some of the people i'm betting against in this game of horse racing :) EASYGAME


Some of the WISEST words I read on here.

A daily reminder of how many fish there are in the sea.

When I was in 2nd grade, I was standing on line waiting for my lunch. I was the tallest kid, so I was at the end of the line. Right behind me was the beginning of the 2nd class that was in 2nd grade. Kid started being stupid with me. Called me stupid for some reason. We received our food and sat down. My class on the table to the right, his class on the long table to the left. I sat, due to me being last in line for my class, at the end of my table. Him, being the shortest, at the beginning of his table.

He continued on: You're stupid. I politely ignored. He carried on. I said: If you continue, you will be sorry. He carried on. I said OK. Enough... Here goes:

Please take a look at my class. There are 12 of us. Look at your class, there are 30 of you. The reason why we have split classes (2 second grade classes) is because there are smart kids and stupid kids.

He interrupts: Yeah because you're stupid.

Me: I was pulled out of 1st grade and placed into 2nd grade mid year. You weren't. You're so stupid, you don't even know that you're stupid because if you were smart, you would know that you're stupid but because you're stupid, you don't know that you're stupid.

I skipped 8th grade as well. He got left back at some point, 3rd or 4th grade, I don't remember.

(Projection is a sad disorder/insecurity. It's obvious someone here, suffers from that. Everything he suffers from, he projects on to me. Pathetic really.)

That 2nd grade class story also applies here. Some have a 130 horse racing IQ and some have a 99 horse racing IQ.

There is a middle ground though....

Some 130 horse racing IQ players are lazy, compulsive, degenerate and can't win because their faults wipe out their strengths.

Some 99 horse racing IQ players, work their ass off and are diligent and outperform their "smarter" foes.

[EMD4ME]

There is no evidence that Sour Grapes and you are the same.

In fact, there is only slightly more evidence that you and DAHOSS are the same... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Please place the black curtain around me and put me out of my misery then :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[EMD4ME]

I find it hilarious EMD ran away as soon as the thought of a $5000 bet came up.

Not only do you project, you fabricate. Should I scream libelous and blasphemy ? :lol:

PA, came in and said Gary is not you. I apologized. That's what you do when there is a need to do so, you apologize and be civil.

I never ran, I answered him like a man. See the post.

You, you project your insecurities (all of them) onto me in an attempt to derail this thread.

Anyone with 2 brain cells can see that.

You need to grow up. I don't know if you're 12 or 72 but it's unbecoming of you.

[EMD4ME]

This says it all. You even admit to reaching out to him.

A big timer like yourself doesn't know how to file taxes?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, because some players on here have recommended I play contests. I want to know details of how they keep track financially. I wanted to know if the trips are taxable, what can I write off and what is classified as a W-2G.

I also had a major question about something else, that I won't mention.

I like to pay my taxes as I want to sleep at night with dealing with the IRS.


I don't blame you for misunderstaning, you probably don't have $500,000 in W-2G's, $45,000 in WITHHOLDING and a need for proper accounting of gambling winnings. It's ok, I understand.

[EMD4ME]

Dahoss, I say this seriously, I am completely embarassing you. Not hard to do as all I need to do is speak the truth (you should try that sometime, it makes life easy).

Everytime you type, you show what level of class you have. I didn't know how low, low could go. Till now. This is exactly why I avoid all social media and alike. I hate it. Thanks for the reminder.

If this was a fight, the EMT's would be surrounding you and Paul Bearer would be cashing his check.

If you stop now, you will have 1/56th of an ounce of "face" left. If you continue, you will bury yourself so bad, that no one that reads this site will ever have any respect for you.

The choice is yours.

[thaskalos]

Some of the WISEST words I read on here.

A daily reminder of how many fish there are in the sea.

When I was in 2nd grade, I was standing on line waiting for my lunch. I was the tallest kid, so I was at the end of the line. Right behind me was the beginning of the 2nd class that was in 2nd grade. Kid started being stupid with me. Called me stupid for some reason. We received our food and sat down. My class on the table to the right, his class on the long table to the left. I sat, due to me being last in line for my class, at the end of my table. Him, being the shortest, at the beginning of his table.

He continued on: You're stupid. I politely ignored. He carried on. I said: If you continue, you will be sorry. He carried on. I said OK. Enough... Here goes:

Please take a look at my class. There are 12 of us. Look at your class, there are 30 of you. The reason why we have split classes (2 second grade classes) is because there are smart kids and stupid kids.

He interrupts: Yeah because you're stupid.

Me: I was pulled out of 1st grade and placed into 2nd grade mid year. You weren't. You're so stupid, you don't even know that you're stupid because if you were smart, you would know that you're stupid but because you're stupid, you don't know that you're stupid.

I skipped 8th grade as well. He got left back at some point, 3rd or 4th grade, I don't remember.

(Projection is a sad disorder/insecurity. It's obvious someone here, suffers from that. Everything he suffers from, he projects on to me. Pathetic really.)

That 2nd grade class story also applies here. Some have a 130 horse racing IQ and some have a 99 horse racing IQ.

There is a middle ground though....

Some 130 horse racing IQ players are lazy, compulsive, degenerate and can't win because their faults wipe out their strengths.

Some 99 horse racing IQ players, work their ass off and are diligent and outperform their "smarter" foes.

IMO...it's a lot easier for a gambler to SOUND "intelligent"...then it is for him to show a long-term profit in his chosen endeavor. The best horseplayer I've ever met is so quiet and private...that hardly anyone knows anything about him. "Fame" is an undesirable commodity for a gambler...unless he is planning to sell something sometime in the future. The more secure the horseplayer is in his "knowledge"...the less he reveals publicly about himself.

My father used to say that, "when you hear about a place where there are a lot of cherries...carry a small basket". And I say that, when you hear a bragging horseplayer...take his comments with several grains of salt.

[EMD4ME]

This is it in a nutshell. It's all about jealousy and some really weak minded people.

EMD clearly has no "real life" friends. Hes so wrapped up in this site that he's listening to Vic and his other buddy Only11. You remember him, right? He's had like 20 names on here.

I come on here to shoot the horse manure with people like me, who wager on horse racing.

I don't think you have this problem but I like to break up my replay watching with something else. It gets monotonous. PA is my way to toggle back and forth and keep the mind and eyes fresh.

[Garyinseattle]

IMO...it's a lot easier for a gambler to SOUND "intelligent"...then it is for him to show a long-term profit in his chosen endeavor. The best horseplayer I've ever met is so quiet and private...that hardly anyone knows anything about him. "Fame" is an undesirable commodity for a gambler...unless he is planning to sell something sometime in the future. The more secure the horseplayer is in his "knowledge"...the less he reveals publicly about himself.

My father used to say that, "when you hear about a place where there are a lot of cherries...carry a small basket". And I say that, when you hear a bragging horseplayer...take his comments with several grains of salt.



Great Post man. I have been in The Trading Biz for 25 years, worked on a bunch of trading desks . The guys who did best were the ones who never tooted their own horns. It was usually the guys who struggled and had the occasional win streaks who wouldn't STFU and had to scream for the spotlight. The guys who succeeded and did the best were they guys that you could never tell if they were winning or losing. I think this goes with other aspects of life......

[EMD4ME]

IMO...it's a lot easier for a gambler to SOUND "intelligent"...then it is for him to show a long-term profit in his chosen endeavor. The best horseplayer I've ever met is so quiet and private...that hardly anyone knows anything about him. "Fame" is an undesirable commodity for a gambler...unless he is planning to sell something sometime in the future. The more secure the horseplayer is in his "knowledge"...the less he reveals publicly about himself.

My father used to say that, "when you hear about a place where there are a lot of cherries...carry a small basket". And I say that, when you hear a bragging horseplayer...take his comments with several grains of salt.

Believe it or not I agree. It is my fault. Since 2013, when I 1st joined I didn't post stats or speak up. Fast forward to 2015 and 2016, I fell for people attacking me (saying my ADW stats were fake and other false claims) and because of my character (honor is all we have in life) I stupidly started answering these trolls to defend my character.

But I get your passive aggressive "dig" Thaskalos. Duly noted.

[EMD4ME]

You guys are so funny.


You attack because I don't put up picks before hand.

I start doing that (2014) and when I'm right, people say you didn't pick anything beforehand. I post up the ADW stats as part of the proof and you then say:

Those who speak loudly are liars, aren't winning etc.

Pathetic if you ask me.

I guess I make your blood boil by being so honest and for doing so well in this game.

I'm dying to see what the next comeback will be. :lol:

[thaskalos]

I come on here to shoot the horse manure with people like me, who wager on horse racing.

I don't think you have this problem but I like to break up my replay watching with something else. It gets monotonous. PA is my way to toggle back and forth and keep the mind and eyes fresh.

We come here to break up the monotony of our day too...and we too get "attacked" here at times. In a public forum such as this, disagreements are expected...and we have all engaged in them from time to time. But you are the only poster that I've ever seen in my 10 years here who feels that he has to keep furnishing continuous "proof" about his wagering amounts, his "scores", and his IRS deductions...in order to back up his arguments.

What do you think you are proving by revealing all these private matters about yourself, EMD? SO WHAT if you "bet big", and the IRS is holding $50,000 in deductions from you? Do you think that this proves that you are beating this game in a big way? You have stated here that your friend DeltaLover could buy a Manhattan apartment with the bets that he makes. Have you ever seen DeltaLover "lose it" to the extent that YOU do here...to the point where he repeatedly plasters his betting records all over this board?

Have you ever asked yourself what this quality is that DeltaLover has...and you lack?

[EMD4ME]

I just asked myself, how many people have posted ADW stats on here since I started in 2013.

I can't stop laughing..... :lol:


One.


And I'm the one being questioned :bang: :bang: :bang: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Garyinseattle]

We come here to break up the monotony of our day too...and we too get "attacked" here at times. In a public forum such as this, disagreements are expected...and we have all engaged in them from time to time. But you are the only poster that I've ever seen in my 10 years here who feels that he has to keep furnishing continuous "proof" about his wagering amounts, his "scores", and his IRS deductions...in order to back up his arguments.

What do you think you are proving by revealing all these private matters about yourself, EMD? SO WHAT if you "bet big", and the IRS is holding $50,000 in deductions from you? Do you think that this proves that you are beating this game in a big way? You have stated here that your friend DeltaLover could by a Manhattan apartment with the bets that he makes. Have you ever seen DeltaLover "lose it" to the extent that YOU do here...to the point where he repeatedly plasters his betting records all over this board?

Have you ever asked yourself what this quality is that DeltaLover has...and you lack?


Yeah, not sure why people need to validate themselves on a public internet chatboard. Strange. You would think someone who is crushing it would be cool calm and collected and not feel the need to post all the time about what he does. Very odd. It's like the guy who claims on a chat board that he goes out and gets the hottest models, when in reality he's probably still living at home with his parents and has not even spoken to a girl in years....lol.

[EMD4ME]

We come here to break up the monotony of our day too...and we too get "attacked" here at times. In a public forum such as this, disagreements are expected...and we have all engaged in them from time to time. But you are the only poster that I've ever seen in my 10 years here who feels that he has to keep furnishing continuous "proof" about his wagering amounts, his "scores", and his IRS deductions...in order to back up his arguments.

What do you think you are proving by revealing all these private matters about yourself, EMD? SO WHAT if you "bet big", and the IRS is holding $50,000 in deductions from you? Do you think that this proves that you are beating this game in a big way? You have stated here that your friend DeltaLover could by a Manhattan apartment with the bets that he makes. Have you ever seen DeltaLover "lose it" to the extent that YOU do here...to the point where he repeatedly plasters his betting records all over this board?

Have you ever asked yourself what this quality is that DeltaLover has...and you lack?


Wait.....1) people don't disagree with me. THEY ATTACK ME personally and my integrity. 2) What better way to shut someone's lying mouth than by posting up a fact?

I never lose it :) Besides when I watch a race, there is no calmer, more calculated person you will come across. You don't know me and I can't blame you for "thinking" otherwise. I came from a father who would drown in a drop of water. Meaning he never was calm and always acted like the sky was falling. I grew up wanting to be the opposite. I am the opposite. The only time I ever erupt (and that is controlled and on purpose) is when I watch a race, admittedly. I don't see that as a fault. When I see stupid things (on the racetrack-only speed being choked-jockey darting to a dead rail) YES, I in a calculated and planned fashion, speak up loudly.

Ask yourself, what would you do if you were attacked like I am constantly on this board?

Option 1: Leave-I can do that.
Option 2-Engage with the misfits. A mistake but I have done that and do currently do that.

To answer your question, maybe Delta laughs at most of these posters and doesn't care to answer them. I don't know, I am not Delta. He does tell me to not waste my time on here and to stop giving out capping secrets. It is a fault of mine.

I, am different, when someone accuses me of a lie, I answer. Plus, I don't see anyone attacking Delta, so he's not in a position that I am in.

[EMD4ME]

Now, before any of you accuse me of "running away" or hiding, I need to tend to items from now till 8 pm or so.

Have a fun day gang.

[thaskalos]

You guys are so funny.


You attack because I don't put up picks before hand.

I start doing that (2014) and when I'm right, people say you didn't pick anything beforehand. I post up the ADW stats as part of the proof and you then say:

Those who speak loudly are liars, aren't winning etc.

Pathetic if you ask me.

I guess I make your blood boil by being so honest and for doing so well in this game.

I'm dying to see what the next comeback will be. :lol:

Yes...yes. There have been so many request here for you to reveal your picks and your ADW information. :rolleyes:

You are right, EMD...you are being "singled out" here. So many posters here are hounding you for intimate details about yourself...while the rest of us here are allowed to live in relative obscurity.

Or, could it be that you can't stop talking about yourself?

[Garyinseattle]

Yes...yes. There have been so many request here for you to reveal your picks and your ADW information. :rolleyes:

You are right, EMD...you are being "singled out" here. So many posters here are hounding you for intimate details about yourself...while the rest of us here are allowed to live in relative obscurity.

Or, could it be that you can't stop talking about yourself?


You would think someone who is doing so well at this game wouldn't shy away from a bet after running his mouth about something he was 100% wrong about.

Too funny.....

[thaskalos]

Wait.....1) people don't disagree with me. THEY ATTACK ME personally and my integrity. 2) What better way to shut someone's lying mouth than by posting up a fact?

I never lose it :) Besides when I watch a race, there is no calmer, more calculated person you will come across. You don't know me and I can't blame you for "thinking" otherwise. I came from a father who would drown in a drop of water. Meaning he never was calm and always acted like the sky was falling. I grew up wanting to be the opposite. I am the opposite. The only time I ever erupt (and that is controlled and on purpose) is when I watch a race, admittedly. I don't see that as a fault. When I see stupid things (on the racetrack-only speed being choked-jockey darting to a dead rail) YES, I in a calculated and planned fashion, speak up loudly.

Ask yourself, what would you do if you were attacked like I am constantly on this board?

Option 1: Leave-I can do that.
Option 2-Engage with the misfits. A mistake but I have done that and do currently do that.

To answer your question, maybe Delta laughs at most of these posters and doesn't care to answer them. I don't know, I am not Delta. He does tell me to not waste my time on here and to stop giving out capping secrets. It is a fault of mine.

I, am different, when someone accuses me of a lie, I answer. Plus, I don't see anyone attacking Delta, so he's not in a position that I am in.

Who is it that you feel "attacks" you? Don't be vague...give me some NAMES. The way I see it...your biggest arguments here are with people who were initially very fond of you...until your constant bragging eventually got under their skin.

Dahoss and TLG are both confrontational posters...and I have gotten into many arguments here with BOTH of them. And yet, as confrontational as Dahoss and TLG are here, they both lavished you with compliments early on...and they both thought that you were a "great guy". But now, after getting into a couple of minor disagreement with them here, you have labeled them both as "bullies"...who are "attacking" you because they are supposedly "jealous of your success in the game".

Yes...Dahoss and TLG have BOTH played the role of the bully here from time to time...but they haven't bullied YOU. Whatever negativity has recently arisen between you guys is directly attributable to your inability to accept criticism of your opinions -- without labeling this criticism as an ATTACK.

Am I an enemy of yours, EMD? Haven't we talked cordially on the phone...and, haven't I been friendly with you here for a long time? Why am I finally exploding and telling you what I am saying here? Am I "jealous of your success" too...just like those "other" guys?

You are LOSING it...and you are acting like the "eternal victim" here. You view every argument as a confrontation...and every question as an "attack". You are a nice guy, but this board has gotten to you...and you are behaving in a manner which does not behoove you.

But, hey...what do I know? I could be a "hater" too...just like those other guys.

[Dahoss9698]

Dahoss, I say this seriously, I am completely embarassing you. Not hard to do as all I need to do is speak the truth (you should try that sometime, it makes life easy).

Everytime you type, you show what level of class you have. I didn't know how low, low could go. Till now. This is exactly why I avoid all social media and alike. I hate it. Thanks for the reminder.

If this was a fight, the EMT's would be surrounding you and Paul Bearer would be cashing his check.

If you stop now, you will have 1/56th of an ounce of "face" left. If you continue, you will bury yourself so bad, that no one that reads this site will ever have any respect for you.

The choice is yours.

That's what you don't and obviously can't get. If no one here respected me I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. This is mindless entertainment for me. I'm not wasting my time trying to win over people here. You are.

You keep asking me to stop for my own good. What you're really asking me to do is stop so you can save some face. Remember, you're the one who needs everyone to know how nice, and rich and morally superior you are.

The choice is yours.

[Garyinseattle]

That's what you don't and obviously can't get. If no one here respected me I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. This is mindless entertainment for me. I'm not wasting my time trying to win over people here. You are.

You keep asking me to stop for my own good. What you're really asking me to do is stop so you can save some face. Remember, you're the one who needs everyone to know how nice, and rich and morally superior you are.

The choice is yours.


Sharp Post.