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upthecreek
12-13-2016, 12:22 PM
Anybody heard of them? They're supposedly an off shoot of the Hong Kong Group A Google search yielded zero results and there is no website listed

MooseDog
12-16-2016, 12:28 PM
The address is a UPS store, FWIW.

upthecreek
01-18-2017, 10:39 AM
Received this yesterday I contacted them for the hell of it $250 per month to join

cj
01-18-2017, 11:03 AM
https://www.nationalracemasters.com/services/s/8136/HORSE-O-METRICS.html

upthecreek
01-18-2017, 11:09 AM
https://www.nationalracemasters.com/services/s/8136/HORSE-O-METRICS.html
They don't mention that in the flyer
They're also coming out with a book

acorn54
01-18-2017, 12:01 PM
sounds like they know how to tap into every horseplayers pipedream of good fortunes betting on the ponies

DeltaLover
01-18-2017, 12:02 PM
Does not look very legit to me. Most likely someone is trying to make some money by selling mediocre software offering fallacious hopes that will never become true.

What exactly is this thing about and what is that it makes it so special?

If it really has some betting value why in the world it is out for sale?

cj
01-18-2017, 12:05 PM
They don't mention that in the flyer
They're also coming out with a book

I just googled the Keegan guy, because I seemed to remember that name, and that is what came up. Certainly not an endorsement or anything. Reading through the "handicappers" at the bottom was enough for my laugh of the day.

upthecreek
01-18-2017, 12:20 PM
Does not look very legit to me. Most likely someone is trying to make some money by selling mediocre software offering fallacious hopes that will never become true.

What exactly is this thing about and what is that it makes it so special?

If it really has some betting value why in the world it is out for sale?
They claim theyre the Hong Kong group that was involved with Bill Benter

DeltaLover
01-18-2017, 01:09 PM
They claim theyre the Hong Kong group that was involved with Bill Benter

Anyone can claim anything, what matters is factual data that is something that is not provided in this case.

upthecreek
01-18-2017, 01:33 PM
Anyone can claim anything, what matters is factual data that is something that is not provided in this case.
Only passing along info to do what you want with it I'll probably buy the book
Maybe I can get Tom Keegan to join in here

NorCalGreg
01-18-2017, 03:29 PM
I had an advert with TOP HORSE RACING SOFTWARE 2016 ...there's no such award or anything..is just MY opinion.

Yet google the term TOP HORSE RACING SOFTWARE 2016.. and see who's on top of the first page.

I didn't place it there, google did.

PaceAdvantage
01-18-2017, 03:36 PM
Google Horse Racing Forum while you're at it... :lol:

Even Horse Racing Talk gets me in the top 2 or 3.

Googling Horse Racing, unfortunately, does me no good...can't find me anywhere... :(

thaskalos
01-18-2017, 03:36 PM
I had an advert with TOP HORSE RACING SOFTWARE 2016 ...there's no such award or anything..is just MY opinion.

Yet google the term TOP HORSE RACING SOFTWARE 2016.. and see who's on top of the first page.

I didn't place it there, google did.

Nice! :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

NorCalGreg
01-18-2017, 03:46 PM
Google Horse Racing Forum while you're at it... :lol:

Even Horse Racing Talk gets me in the top 2 or 3.

Googling Horse Racing, unfortunately, does me no good...can't find me anywhere... :(


Pace Advantage is everywhere on almost every search term. I search out thing like SPOT PLAYS,etc.....was funny because I once googled something--looking for info--and it showed my own post here on PA, on that subject. :D

steveb
01-18-2017, 05:10 PM
Anybody heard of them? They're supposedly an off shoot of the Hong Kong Group A Google search yielded zero results and there is no website listed

the bullshit meter lit up, looking at those blurbs.

fair dinkum, there must be some gullible people around.

their group is so successful, they want to flog their secrets!! :lol:
what more do you need to know???

upthecreek
01-18-2017, 05:17 PM
the bullshit meter lit up, looking at those blurbs.

fair dinkum, there must be some gullible people around.

their group is so successful, they want to flog their secrets!! :lol:
what more do you need to know???
I guess I'm one I'll probably buy the book if the price is right

steveb
01-18-2017, 05:31 PM
I guess I'm one I'll probably buy the book of the price is right

if you are dumb enough, then do it.
just make sure you are smart enough to learn from your mistakes!

if you want to learn racing, then i guess you are already in the right spot.
there are some gems on here if you look hard enough and are smart enough to recognise them.


i very much doubt benter was told to leave hk.
the hkjc closed the accounts of those guys for a while, a long long time ago, but they reversed that decision, and as far as i know they are still betting there(and everywhere else)

it's bullshit, take my word for it.
while i don't know benter, i did correspond with woods for years.

upthecreek
01-18-2017, 05:35 PM
if you are dumb enough, then do it.
just make sure you are smart enough to learn from your mistakes!

if you want to learn racing, then i guess you are already in the right spot.
there are some gems on here if you look hard enough and are smart enough to recognise them.


i very much doubt benter was told to leave hk.
the hkjc closed the accounts of those guys for a while, a long long time ago, but they reversed that decision, and as far as i know they are still betting there(and everywhere else)

it's bullshit, take my word for it.
while i don't know benter, i did correspond with woods for years.
I might be dumb, but I'm smart enough to spell recognize!

steveb
01-18-2017, 05:42 PM
I might be dumb, but I'm smart enough to spell recognize!

so am i......recognise it is!!!:lol::lol:

you're american?
i'm australian, and it's hardly my fault, that the yanks prostituted the english language!

and yes, you are dumb if you believe that spiel.

AltonKelsey
01-18-2017, 07:14 PM
Looks like a tout ad from 1958.

Clearly, they are going after only the most sophisticated players.