North Dakota pipeline protest

[davew]

A group protesting a pipeline going under a river is supposed to leave, but they are staying and getting re-enforcements. There may be as many as a thousand veterans showing up.

The temperature is dropping as a cold front is coming through. It may be 20 degrees below zero (before wind chill) early next week....

[Inner Dirt]

Hope Palin cleans up the VA. Classic example of a big problem. Looks like a thousand or so brave patriots who risked themselves to keep us all safe have lost their minds and joined hands with a bunch of tree hugging liberals. Get these vets the help they need to overcome whatever haunts them so bad they are not making rational decisions.

[Tom]

They may be on the right side of this.....I'll give them benefit of the doubt until I learn more about it all. When I hear 1,000 vets are involved, it is time to stop and do a reality check.

[letswastemoney]

I feel like there's something I'm not reading in all of this.

Is there an underlying reason behind all these protests? Will someone besides the Native Americans benefit if there is no pipeline?

[Tom]

I feel like there's something I'm not reading in all of this.

Is there an underlying reason behind all these protests? Will someone besides the Native Americans benefit if there is no pipeline?

Found this at Reuters......
38 miles of the Dakota Access Pipeline cuts through territory that still belongs to Native Americans, based on a 1851 treaty signed at Fort Laramie in Wyoming.

Apparently part of that is their burial grounds.

[Fager Fan]

If it was Christian sacred ground, the libs wouldn't care.

[boxcar]

If it was Christian sacred ground, the libs wouldn't care.

You've got that right!

[davew]

I feel like there's something I'm not reading in all of this.

Is there an underlying reason behind all these protests? Will someone besides the Native Americans benefit if there is no pipeline?

I thought the issue was possibility of leakage into the river and subsequent contamination all the way down stream to the Gulf of Mexico.

[JustRalph]

I thought the issue was possibility of leakage into the river and subsequent contamination all the way down stream to the Gulf of Mexico.

Same old shit. Look up the pipelines that already run under this country. They are everywhere with little trouble.

[Greyfox]

Same old shit. Look up the pipelines that already run under this country. They are everywhere with little trouble.

Agreed.
Derailed oil tanker rail cars can do every bit as much damage if not more.
Warren Buffett has heavy investments in the continued use of oil tanker cars and it is my guess that he has probably given some seed money to these protesters.
He also contributed heavily to the Obama campaigns and it was no surprise that Obama would not okay the X-L Pipeline.
Oil spills from rail cars are more frequent than from pipelines.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-11-14/2014-outlook-warren-buffett-cashes-in-on-railroad-tank-cars

[Racetrack Playa]

:eek: http://wearechange.org/mainstream-media-silent-major-pipeline-explosion-north-kansas-city/

[Greyfox]

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[chadk66]

Hope Palin cleans up the VA. Classic example of a big problem. Looks like a thousand or so brave patriots who risked themselves to keep us all safe have lost their minds and joined hands with a bunch of tree hugging liberals. Get these vets the help they need to overcome whatever haunts them so bad they are not making rational decisions.and it's as simple as this:ThmbUp:

[chadk66]

The misinformation regarding this is horrendous. I'm going to give you the short version of exactly what the deal is. DAPL (the pipeline) has went through every ounce of permitting which started three years ago. Which included ACOE permits for boring under several bodies of water including the Missouri river/Lake Oahe here in ND. The pipeline is basically completed aside from the bore. It's about 1600 miles long. There was a three year public input period over this. The ACOE met with ND officials on dozens of occasions. six times there were explicit requests sent to the Sioux tribe to come to these meetings and express any concerns they had. They never showed up. The claims of indian burial grounds is 100% false. There is an existing pipeline running alongside this one that has been in the ground since 1981 or 82'. Here is where the issues with the tribe started. The pipeline company originally wanted to go through a small portion of the reservation after it crossed the lake. The pipeline will not be on any reservation land whatsoever now. The pipeline company offered the tribe 9-10 million for an easement to cross a small portion of the res. This is probably a thousand times more than any other land owner was offered along the whole route. So they aren't making that public. But I have a good friend that works for them. The tribe refused and wanted 50 million. They figured the pipeline had to go through the res. Turns out they had a plan B. So they told them no dice we'll use a different route. Tribe thought they were joking. This negotiation happened a year and a half ago. Tribe figured they were bluffing. Turns out they weren't. So the tribe was pissed they missed out on their pay day. They knew they couldn't raise hell over money so the tribal leaders convinced the tribe they needed to raise hell over this because a leak could screw up the water at their intake for tribal drinking water. This crossing is a few miles upstream from their intakes. So they riled up a whole bunch of natives and they started out peacefully protesting. Due to social media a bunch of out of state tree huggers caught wind of it and thought they would love to protest with a bunch of natives. So they started showing up by the hundreds. california is very well represented. But they were never told it was over money lol. Nor did they bother to tell these protestors turned rioters that the tribes intake for water is being pulled at years end. They have a new water supply line coming from SD that draws water from 70 miles south of the current one lol. Well things have gotten way out of hand. They have burned up over a million dollars worth of equipment that the pipeline company owns. They have stolen, butchered and killed over thirty cattle from nearby ranchers. There is raping and pillaging going on in their camps like you can't believe. These people are being paid by the likes of George Soros. Craigs list adds have been found in most major cities trying to hire people to go protest. One gas shot at law enforcement but was subdued without being shot back at. How the hell that happened I cannot explain. Anywhere else there would have been dead protestors laying all over. She is up on attempted murder of a police officer charges. They also set fire to a bunch of stuff they had put on a bridge on the only highway going south from Mandan. The bridge is now closed indef. until it can be inspected by engineers. They have cut pasture fence all over hell. They have rioted in Bismarck on numerous occasions. defaced the state capital. over 400 arrests have been made. They rioted in the mall in Bismarck on black friday. Boys in blue arrested 50 that day. They are building permanent structures without permits. They have been camped out on ACOE land. The corp told them 12/5 and they're out. But obama won't let them enforce that. There have been many natives that came from out of state and after a few days got the hell out and have been telling the real story on facebook ever since. It is horrible. They won't let the press in there to see what is really going on in the camps. They have held people against their will and officers have had to go in there and remove them and threaten kidnapping charges. It has cost the state 10 million to date and we just approved 7 million more. Officers from all over the country have had to be brought in to help. They are sending out propoganda through social media like you can't believe. little to none is true. This is the short story. I could go on and on. This will end with many deaths mark my words.

[garyscpa]

The misinformation regarding this is horrendous. I'm going to give you the short version of exactly what the deal is. DAPL (the pipeline) has went through every ounce of permitting which started three years ago. Which included ACOE permits for boring under several bodies of water including the Missouri river/Lake Oahe here in ND. The pipeline is basically completed aside from the bore. It's about 1600 miles long. There was a three year public input period over this. The ACOE met with ND officials on dozens of occasions. six times there were explicit requests sent to the Sioux tribe to come to these meetings and express any concerns they had. They never showed up. The claims of indian burial grounds is 100% false. There is an existing pipeline running alongside this one that has been in the ground since 1981 or 82'. Here is where the issues with the tribe started. The pipeline company originally wanted to go through a small portion of the reservation after it crossed the lake. The pipeline will not be on any reservation land whatsoever now. The pipeline company offered the tribe 9-10 million for an easement to cross a small portion of the res. This is probably a thousand times more than any other land owner was offered along the whole route. So they aren't making that public. But I have a good friend that works for them. The tribe refused and wanted 50 million. They figured the pipeline had to go through the res. Turns out they had a plan B. So they told them no dice we'll use a different route. Tribe thought they were joking. This negotiation happened a year and a half ago. Tribe figured they were bluffing. Turns out they weren't. So the tribe was pissed they missed out on their pay day. They knew they couldn't raise hell over money so the tribal leaders convinced the tribe they needed to raise hell over this because a leak could screw up the water at their intake for tribal drinking water. This crossing is a few miles upstream from their intakes. So they riled up a whole bunch of natives and they started out peacefully protesting. Due to social media a bunch of out of state tree huggers caught wind of it and thought they would love to protest with a bunch of natives. So they started showing up by the hundreds. california is very well represented. But they were never told it was over money lol. Nor did they bother to tell these protestors turned rioters that the tribes intake for water is being pulled at years end. They have a new water supply line coming from SD that draws water from 70 miles south of the current one lol. Well things have gotten way out of hand. They have burned up over a million dollars worth of equipment that the pipeline company owns. They have stolen, butchered and killed over thirty cattle from nearby ranchers. There is raping and pillaging going on in their camps like you can't believe. These people are being paid by the likes of George Soros. Craigs list adds have been found in most major cities trying to hire people to go protest. One gas shot at law enforcement but was subdued without being shot back at. How the hell that happened I cannot explain. Anywhere else there would have been dead protestors laying all over. She is up on attempted murder of a police officer charges. They also set fire to a bunch of stuff they had put on a bridge on the only highway going south from Mandan. The bridge is now closed indef. until it can be inspected by engineers. They have cut pasture fence all over hell. They have rioted in Bismarck on numerous occasions. defaced the state capital. over 400 arrests have been made. They rioted in the mall in Bismarck on black friday. Boys in blue arrested 50 that day. They are building permanent structures without permits. They have been camped out on ACOE land. The corp told them 12/5 and they're out. But obama won't let them enforce that. There have been many natives that came from out of state and after a few days got the hell out and have been telling the real story on facebook ever since. It is horrible. They won't let the press in there to see what is really going on in the camps. They have held people against their will and officers have had to go in there and remove them and threaten kidnapping charges. It has cost the state 10 million to date and we just approved 7 million more. Officers from all over the country have had to be brought in to help. They are sending out propoganda through social media like you can't believe. little to none is true. This is the short story. I could go on and on. This will end with many deaths mark my words.

Wow, that was some paragraph.

[davew]

The misinformation regarding this is horrendous. I'm going to give you the short version of exactly what the deal is. DAPL (the pipeline) has went through every ounce of permitting which started three years ago. Which included ACOE permits for boring under several bodies of water including the Missouri river/Lake Oahe here in ND. The pipeline is basically completed aside from the bore. It's about 1600 miles long. There was a three year public input period over this. The ACOE met with ND officials on dozens of occasions. six times there were explicit requests sent to the Sioux tribe to come to these meetings and express any concerns they had. They never showed up. The claims of indian burial grounds is 100% false. There is an existing pipeline running alongside this one that has been in the ground since 1981 or 82'. Here is where the issues with the tribe started. The pipeline company originally wanted to go through a small portion of the reservation after it crossed the lake. The pipeline will not be on any reservation land whatsoever now. The pipeline company offered the tribe 9-10 million for an easement to cross a small portion of the res. This is probably a thousand times more than any other land owner was offered along the whole route. So they aren't making that public. But I have a good friend that works for them. The tribe refused and wanted 50 million. They figured the pipeline had to go through the res. Turns out they had a plan B. So they told them no dice we'll use a different route. Tribe thought they were joking. This negotiation happened a year and a half ago. Tribe figured they were bluffing. Turns out they weren't. So the tribe was pissed they missed out on their pay day. They knew they couldn't raise hell over money so the tribal leaders convinced the tribe they needed to raise hell over this because a leak could screw up the water at their intake for tribal drinking water. This crossing is a few miles upstream from their intakes. So they riled up a whole bunch of natives and they started out peacefully protesting. Due to social media a bunch of out of state tree huggers caught wind of it and thought they would love to protest with a bunch of natives. So they started showing up by the hundreds. california is very well represented. But they were never told it was over money lol. Nor did they bother to tell these protestors turned rioters that the tribes intake for water is being pulled at years end. They have a new water supply line coming from SD that draws water from 70 miles south of the current one lol. Well things have gotten way out of hand. They have burned up over a million dollars worth of equipment that the pipeline company owns. They have stolen, butchered and killed over thirty cattle from nearby ranchers. There is raping and pillaging going on in their camps like you can't believe. These people are being paid by the likes of George Soros. Craigs list adds have been found in most major cities trying to hire people to go protest. One gas shot at law enforcement but was subdued without being shot back at. How the hell that happened I cannot explain. Anywhere else there would have been dead protestors laying all over. She is up on attempted murder of a police officer charges. They also set fire to a bunch of stuff they had put on a bridge on the only highway going south from Mandan. The bridge is now closed indef. until it can be inspected by engineers. They have cut pasture fence all over hell. They have rioted in Bismarck on numerous occasions. defaced the state capital. over 400 arrests have been made. They rioted in the mall in Bismarck on black friday. Boys in blue arrested 50 that day. They are building permanent structures without permits. They have been camped out on ACOE land. The corp told them 12/5 and they're out. But obama won't let them enforce that. There have been many natives that came from out of state and after a few days got the hell out and have been telling the real story on facebook ever since. It is horrible. They won't let the press in there to see what is really going on in the camps. They have held people against their will and officers have had to go in there and remove them and threaten kidnapping charges. It has cost the state 10 million to date and we just approved 7 million more. Officers from all over the country have had to be brought in to help. They are sending out propoganda through social media like you can't believe. little to none is true. This is the short story. I could go on and on. This will end with many deaths mark my words.

wow, thanks for the short version

it is too bad there are not enough people around there to support a nice big casino

I hope not too many of those California protestors get frostbite

[Fager Fan]

If this is the real story, then it's borderline criminal that the true story isn't being told. I'm not getting why it's not.

[rastajenk]

Wow, that was some paragraph.

Yeah, me too.

But....(insert thaskolos-type ellipses)...I believe it. I recently read a Facebook post by a sheriff from somewhere else that had been sent up there and said much the same...I read it on the internet, so it must be true. :jump:

But the point is, it's been portrayed as the usual greedy corporation vs. the poor people being steamrolled, and it's anything but. The lib press would have you believe an army of pipeline layers fronted by a military force is plowing through the countryside raping everything in its path, without regard to science, probabilities, or spiritual significance. And when was the last time there was a gathering of this type that didn't have chadk66's examples of uncivilized behavior?

It's what libs do. Virtue-signaling. The self-called smart set can use phony spiritualism to advance their agenda without feeling a bit of shame.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

If this is the real story, then it's borderline criminal that the true story isn't being told. I'm not getting why it's not.

:lol:

You really believe that our national news outlets of ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN would give us the "real" news?

[davew]

:lol:

You really believe that our national news outlets of ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN would give us the "real" news?


The are becoming known as the 'fake news' outlets

[LottaKash]

Same old shit. Look up the pipelines that already run under this country. They are everywhere with little trouble.

You are so right Ralph...

I worked for many years for a major oil company, and during that time I have had plenty of hands on and up close working knowledge of "pipelines"...

They literally crisscross this nation of ours, and without their presence, this nation would literally come to a standstill...

There are so many places in this country that are so far removed from any oil refinery... How does one suppose that they get their gasoline and heating oil without these vital pipelines ?...

The people protesting this new pipeline, I imagine, have no realistic clue about any of this...

Pipelines transfer millions and millions of Barrels of Petroleum products 24/7/365...

[Fager Fan]

You are so right Ralph...

I worked for many years for a major oil company, and during that time I have had plenty of hands on and up close working knowledge of "pipelines"...

They literally crisscross this nation of ours, and without their presence, this nation would literally come to a standstill...

There are so many places in this country that are so far removed from any oil refinery... How does one suppose that they get their gasoline and heating oil without these vital pipelines ?...

The people protesting this new pipeline, I imagine, have no realistic clue about any of this...

Pipelines transfer millions and millions of Barrels of Petroleum products 24/7/365...

I do think libs have no clue how their McMansions are heated and their cars get from A to B. When they start driving buggies and use kerosene, I'll believe they put their actions where their mouths are.

[Inner Dirt]

I do think libs have no clue how their McMansions are heated and their cars get from A to B. When they start driving buggies and use kerosene, I'll believe they put their actions where their mouths are.

Nothing like liberal hypocrites. According to the climate alarmists kerosene burning contributes to global warming and so do horses from the methane from their crap. To practice what they preach they need to eat nothing but food they have gathered and live in unheated caves, while using nothing but their feet for transportation.

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

There is a history of pipelines cracking/busting/leaking and fouling water supplies.

[LottaKash]

There is a history of pipelines cracking/busting/leaking and fouling water supplies.


So true, but not on any grand scale like the BP in the Gulf fiasco...

Pipelines are a trade, that's all...For convenience, lifestyle, and productivity..

LIfe would change drastically without them....

Make them as safe as possible, that is all we can do...And, generally speaking they are much safer than many other things that we tempt the hand of fate with...

[JustRalph]

There is a history of pipelines cracking/busting/leaking and fouling water supplies.

Get your butt to Souix City 👍

[Inner Dirt]

There is a history of pipelines cracking/busting/leaking and fouling water supplies.

It would be so much safer and better for the environment to transport it by tanker truck and rail. Is there a sarcasm emoticon?

[barahona44]

It would be so much safer and better for the environment to transport it by tanker truck and rail. Is there a sarcasm emoticon?
The eyeroll :rolleyes: is the closest.

[chadk66]

Wow, that was some paragraph.:lol:

[chadk66]

If this is the real story, then it's borderline criminal that the true story isn't being told. I'm not getting why it's not.because they won't let the media into the camps because they know it'll cook their goose if the real story gets out. And our local law enforcement won't say shit so that they don't agitate em. The white house has put a lid on just about anything to be said or done regarding this. If these were whites they would have had their ass sent home months ago.

[chadk66]

there are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines in this country. it is so far and away the safest way to transport this stuff that it isn't even worth discussing.

paragraph lol. I need to make a full disclosure regarding my large post. I work in the oil field. However, I have an uncle and cousins that are native american. one cousin actually taught school on this very reservation this is going on at. These people are some of my most beloved relatives. My uncle is the most successful native american attorney in history. worked in the bureau of indian affairs under Jimmy Carter. Then started his own law firm in Boulder. Has been given so many awards for his achievements for native americans it's ridiculous. His nephew is the legal counsel for the tribe that is fighting this pipeline. So I have feet in both pools in this. So I will only tell it like it is because I won't disrespect my family. Nothing I say regarding this is of an racist means. It just is what it is.

[Greyfox]

there are tens of thousands of miles of pipelines in this country. it is so far and away the safest way to transport this stuff that it isn't even worth discussing.



Agreed and worth repeating. :ThmbUp:

[Tom]

Agreed and worth repeating. :ThmbUp:

Worth repeating that it isn't worth discussing? :D ;)

[Greyfox]

Worth repeating that it isn't worth discussing? :D ;)

Thath the worth joke you've ever thaid here. ;)

[elysiantraveller]

The...y words.

Quoting the world's largest run-on paragraph.

Where are you getting all this stuff?

I finally felt like getting educated on this thing yesterday and am just wondering where your info is coming from. Not looking to argue. From what I can gather there has been some corporate steamrolling but the tribes also squandered ample opportunity to raise stink sooner.

[chadk66]

Quoting the world's largest run-on paragraph.

Where are you getting all this stuff?

I finally felt like getting educated on this thing yesterday and am just wondering where your info is coming from. Not looking to argue. From what I can gather there has been some corporate steamrolling but the tribes also squandered ample opportunity to raise stink sooner.numerous sources. Uncle and cousins that are enrolled members of the Three Affiliated Tribes. the cousins spent a couple days there and got the hell out. Said it was a powder keg and it has gotten way out of hand. Also have a buddy I grew up with that works for Morton county sheriff's dept. There have been numerous law enforcement press conferences on this. A former co-worker of my wife works for the ACOE in Riverdale which overseas the whole reservoir which this is happening on. There are countless articles on the whole process that took place for the previous three years. Law enforcement has released numerous videos showing the behavior of the group and all the damage to property. have other friends that are enrolled members of the sioux tribe that started this whole shit show. they don't even want any part of it anymore. tribal elders can't get em to leave. just watched a press conference today regarding these veterans that have showed up. law enforcement have people inside the camps and they are telling them that the intention is to have the vets up on front line, many have PTSD, and the underlings will try to agitate the vets into starting a physical confrontation. they think the PTSD vets will fire on law enforcement and that will lead to law enforcement taking a bunch down. This will lead to national outcry against the pipeline. It's the only prayer they have to stop this. Although they better hurry, it's being bored as we speak.

[chadk66]

Quoting the world's largest run-on paragraph.

Where are you getting all this stuff?

I finally felt like getting educated on this thing yesterday and am just wondering where your info is coming from. Not looking to argue. From what I can gather there has been some corporate steamrolling but the tribes also squandered ample opportunity to raise stink sooner.not sure what you mean about corporate steamrolling. there were around 300 permits that had to be obtained for this whole ordeal. they offered the tribe 9-10 million to go through a small section of the rez. they countered with 50 million. so they went to plan B which was already in place. you don't steam roll the ACOE. Not sure if you've ever dealt with them but I have on many occasions. Trust me there was no steam rolling going on.

[JustRalph]

Obama just shut the pipeline down.

Indians win!!

Not Cleveland.......

[davew]

just slowed, for new options
I propose a new administration as an option - a few more weeks

[chadk66]

this was fully expected. Obama will go out looking like a hero. Jan. 20th Trump will EO this and the XL and things will go on as planned. I don't think anybody here had any other expectations.

[chadk66]

rumor in the oil patch is that the pipeline construction company is going to bore the bitch anyway. they'll pay the fines. they have a certain date the pipeline needs to be running or they pay liquid damages to the owner of the pipeline company. the liquid damages is far greater than the fines for boring it. besides they have the original permit the corp issued for it before obama made them renig. and there isn't a court in the land that is going to find in favor of the corp after 1600 miles of pipeline have been put in already to the tune of well over a billion dollars. because you and I will be paying for that if that happens.

[Greyfox]

CNN said this afternoon that the pipeline will be re-routed.

[chadk66]

CNN said this afternoon that the pipeline will be re-routed.they don't know shit. corp stopped the permit today. but it sounds like the company is boring it anyway. they'll gladly pay the fines. they will pay liquid damages if the pipeline isn't operational by a certain date. those are much higher than the fines. and they know on Jan20th. they will get a permit anyway. and the Keystone XL will start up on Jan 21st too or shortly thereafter.

[Greyfox]

(CNN)The Army will not approve an easement that would allow the proposed Dakota Access Pipeline to cross under Lake Oahe in North Dakota, the Army's assistant secretary for civil works announced Sunday.

Jo-Ellen Darcy said she based her decision on a need to explore alternate routes for the pipeline crossing. This comes three weeks after a November 14 announcement from her office that delayed the decision after protests from the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and their supporters.
"Although we have had continuing discussion and exchanges of new information with the Standing Rock Sioux and Dakota Access, it's clear that there's more work to do," Darcy said in her statement. "The best way to complete that work responsibly and expeditiously is to explore alternate routes for the pipeline crossing."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/politics/dakota-access-pipeline/index.html

[Fager Fan]

they don't know shit. corp stopped the permit today. but it sounds like the company is boring it anyway. they'll gladly pay the fines. they will pay liquid damages if the pipeline isn't operational by a certain date. those are much higher than the fines. and they know on Jan20th. they will get a permit anyway. and the Keystone XL will start up on Jan 21st too or shortly thereafter.

What do you mean they'll bore anyway? How can they do that? This isn't paying a fine for flying a flag or not removing snow from your sidewalk. Boring into the land is a pretty permanent damage, if you will, to the land. I can't see that they can just bore anyway without being stopped.

[elysiantraveller]

not sure what you mean about corporate steamrolling. there were around 300 permits that had to be obtained for this whole ordeal. they offered the tribe 9-10 million to go through a small section of the rez. they countered with 50 million. so they went to plan B which was already in place. you don't steam roll the ACOE. Not sure if you've ever dealt with them but I have on many occasions. Trust me there was no steam rolling going on.

Just parroting what I've been able to gather.

Like I said I just started looking into this yesterday.

[chadk66]

What do you mean they'll bore anyway? How can they do that? This isn't paying a fine for flying a flag or not removing snow from your sidewalk. Boring into the land is a pretty permanent damage, if you will, to the land. I can't see that they can just bore anyway without being stopped.The equipment is there, has been set up for a couple months. In fact they have erected a fortress around it. They'll just fire it up. Who is going to remove them? The ACOE couldn't even remove rioters. I'm going to try to upload a picture of the bore site.

[chadk66]

here's the bore site on the west side. all this BS has been going on the west side. I actually think they have been boring from the east side this whole while from a location not visible from the west side. It is very desolate country over there. http://s244.photobucket.com/user/chadk66/media/bore%20site_2.jpg.html?filters[user]=63391203&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=1

[davew]

here's the bore site on the west side. all this BS has been going on the west side. I actually think they have been boring from the east side this whole while from a location not visible from the west side. It is very desolate country over there. http://s244.photobucket.com/user/chadk66/media/bore%20site_2.jpg.html?filters[user]=63391203&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=1


I heard awhile ago that the bore casing was already done and just needed pipe slid through - probably wrong because you have better access to info than most of the world.

[JustRalph]

Hmmm......

Lots of tweets that they are continuing to dig and will just pay the fines

[chadk66]

Hmmm......

Lots of tweets that they are continuing to dig and will just pay the finesyep. it's gonna be done. it's 8 degrees there right now. They got 14" of snow the other day. Blowing 30 now and 40 tomorrow. Got another 8 inches today so far and another 8-10 on the way. They are stuck there now whether they like it or not. these dumb ass (many from cali) have no idea what the hell they are getting themselves into. the question now is how many will perish due to freezing. stupid asses. mother nature is whipping their asses.

[davew]

The weather looks lovely in ND, white out blizzard....

[chadk66]

The weather looks lovely in ND, white out blizzard....yea dandy lol. colder than a well diggers ass. they haven't put anything in the ground under the river yet. they filed suit against the corp and it is before a judge right now. they are trying to get a judge to give them permission. I think it's likely he will. If not I believe they are boring it anyway.

[JustRalph]

Rumors that a couple rapes have occurred and the protestors are refusing to let the police come into their camp. Also reports the offender is being hidden by the protestors.

[JustRalph]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-would-legalize-accidentally-driving-into-and-killing-protesters_us_587a3dabe4b0e58057ff1ebc?j1shw9gh95v kl9dx6r

Just run them down......

[johnhannibalsmith]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-would-legalize-accidentally-driving-into-and-killing-protesters_us_587a3dabe4b0e58057ff1ebc?j1shw9gh95v kl9dx6r

Just run them down......

I've got to stop and post before I go any farther and read the article but I click the link to HuffPo and get traumatized by a pop-up more or less demanding that I SUBSCRIBE TO THE TRUMP'S FIRST 100 DAYS NEWSLETTER. This from the same place that told me a few months ago when I clicked that I had to go to the entertainment section to find stories on Donald Trump because he doesn't belong in the politics section. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-note-about-our-coverage-of-donald-trumps-campaign_us_55a8fc9ce4b0896514d0fd66

[davew]

The governor wants them to clean up their camp otherwise spring flooding could cause an ecological disaster from all their garbage.

[LottaKash]

The governor wants them to clean up their camp otherwise spring flooding could cause an ecological disaster from all their garbage.

That would certainly be the "conservative" thing to do...

We'll see... :rolleyes:

[JustRalph]

I would pass this in every big city :lol:

[chadk66]

it will pass. also on the docket is a bill to make it illegal to wear face coverings during protests or something of that nature. haven't read the bill yet. They better hurry because in five days the pipes going in.

[davew]

North Dakota National Guard brings in a couple missile launchers -

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/17/national-guard-deploys-missile-launchers-to-dakota-access-pipeline-to-observe-protestors.html

[chadk66]

North Dakota National Guard brings in a couple missile launchers -

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/17/national-guard-deploys-missile-launchers-to-dakota-access-pipeline-to-observe-protestors.htmlI was hoping they would be used against them but it appears they're just being used for observation. Two days and the pipe is going in anyway I guess.

[davew]

well, they have used water cannons to put out 'fires'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhWv-HAWQ-8

[chadk66]

they should have taken a hose to em monday when they were cutting the fence and shoving officers around.

[chadk66]

see if this link works. this happened monday. as of now it's the first post/video with natives cutting down the fence and assaulting officers.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=bakken%20oilfield%20fail%20of%20the%20day

[chadk66]

you guys will love this. so the rioters have been begging for the national lame stream media to give them some coverage. now that the pipe is about to go in they finally obliged. here is a video shot by one of the native rioters of a news segment they filmed for one of NBC or MSNBC's shows. Read this article then watch the video. I haven't seen anything this hilarious in a hell of a long time. https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/video-nbc-news-team-surprised-learn-north-dakota-indians-shop-grocery-stores/

[davew]

It looks like rich/famous people protest in easier access locations with better conditions like Park City, Utah.

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/1/25/shailene_woodley_on_malia_obamas_presence


After watching the movie Sully, I am starting to think those activists are right, but need to go much further. No airplanes should fly over streams or rivers that are used for water sources. That airplane going down in the Hudson river had over 20,000 pounds of jetfuel, and if it did not, it could have caused quite the ecological disaster, and polluted drinking water for millions.

[chadk66]

It looks like rich/famous people protest in easier access locations with better conditions like Park City, Utah.

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/1/25/shailene_woodley_on_malia_obamas_presence


After watching the movie Sully, I am starting to think those activists are right, but need to go much further. No airplanes should fly over streams or rivers that are used for water sources. That airplane going down in the Hudson river had over 20,000 pounds of jetfuel, and if it did not, it could have caused quite the ecological disaster, and polluted drinking water for millions.yea since winter hit all those hollywood snowflakes left, never to be heard from again. They were only here to get publicity for themselves. It's shameful.

[davew]

76 protestors arrested as they moved their camp onto someone's private land

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/02/02/Dozens-of-rogue-Dakota-Access-Pipeline-protesters-arrested/8651486041089/

[chadk66]

76 protestors arrested as they moved their camp onto someone's private land

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/02/02/Dozens-of-rogue-Dakota-Access-Pipeline-protesters-arrested/8651486041089/yea they think they can just move on into anybodies property they choose. Saw a video yesterday of them cleaning up the camp with skid steers yesterday. You should see the crap they left behind. Much of it frozen down under two feet of snow and won't be able to get it out of there. So it will end up in the river headed south when it floods. Complete idiots. And they tried to sell this as being about "water". Only a fool would believe that. Should be mandatory castration for any of these idiots being arrested.

[Tom]

Trespassers should be shot on sight.
Theses pigs needs to taught a lesson.
A few GSWs would go along way to that end.

[JustRalph]

Flew over the protest today......tough crowd

[LottaKash]

Flew over the protest today......tough crowd

I'll say...

Yikes, that's a lot of arrow hits...!!!

[tucker6]

They sure weren't the Hekawis shooting those arrows. Besides, I assume the pic was photoshopped.

[chadk66]

Flew over the protest today......tough crowd:ThmbUp:

[JustRalph]

They sure weren't the Hekawis shooting those arrows. Besides, I assume the pic was photoshopped.

Not photo-shopped. But not what it looks like........

I'll explain later

[chrisl]

I wonder if the Fukarewe tribe is their to.

[Tom]

Fukarewe?
Where?

[chrisl]

Who!

[davew]

Not photo-shopped. But not what it looks like........

I'll explain later


It looks like a piper was sick, and the doctor used acupuncture.

[JustRalph]

The picture is an aircraft undergoing rivet-wing repairs

The bad rivets are drilled out-removed and these pieces that look like arrows are placed in the holes to maintain the structure and sometimes show the total extent of damage in a repair. The damage has to be evaluated by an inspection certified repairman/mechanic. Leaving them in like in the picture, as opposed to fixing them one at a time, can tell a more accurate story about the total damage from a single event. Sometimes they can't be totally fixed and the plane is deemed no longer fit for service. Totaled.

I'm going to guess the plane in the shot (random shot found on the internet) had a gear up landing or collapsed gear. The log books kept with an aircraft sometimes contain pics like this to keep records on repairs for future owners etc.

[Racetrack Playa]

http://mymodernmet.com/los-carpinteros-the-carpenters-aviao/

[JustRalph]

http://mymodernmet.com/los-carpinteros-the-carpenters-aviao/

Cool! They are real arrows. Great stuff!

I've seen this plane online ...always explained by the repair story. Although I've seen planes that look like that (including my own after a renter wrecked it) many times, never saw this piece. Thanks!

After looking hard at those pics......that's a pretty decent looking plane. That is some costly so-called art.

[chadk66]

The picture is an aircraft undergoing rivet-wing repairs

The bad rivets are drilled out-removed and these pieces that look like arrows are placed in the holes to maintain the structure and sometimes show the total extent of damage in a repair. The damage has to be evaluated by an inspection certified repairman/mechanic. Leaving them in like in the picture, as opposed to fixing them one at a time, can tell a more accurate story about the total damage from a single event. Sometimes they can't be totally fixed and the plane is deemed no longer fit for service. Totaled.

I'm going to guess the plane in the shot (random shot found on the internet) had a gear up landing or collapsed gear. The log books kept with an aircraft sometimes contain pics like this to keep records on repairs for future owners etc.they're called cleco's. I went to school and got my aircraft mechanics license but never got to use it. no jobs when I got out. piss poor timing.

[JustRalph]

they're called cleco's. I went to school and got my aircraft mechanics license but never got to use it. no jobs when I got out. piss poor timing.

Yep, one of my renters collapsed nose gear on my plane once. I got to play with them while assisting the mechanic. Neat little invention

[chadk66]

Yep, one of my renters collapsed nose gear on my plane once. I got to play with them while assisting the mechanic. Neat little inventionyea they're pretty cool. here is a really nice article regarding the rioters. and they claim it's about protecting water :lol:
Lachlan MarkayFebruary 7, 2017 9:43 am
Oil Pipeline Protest
The protest camp near Cannon Ball, North Dakota still has an estimated 2000 people who oppose the Dakota Access Pipeline / AP


BY: Follow @lachlan

Authorities in North Dakota are working to prevent an environmental catastrophe caused by the massive amounts of trash left behind by anti-oil pipeline protesters, local media report.

State and tribal sanitation crews are rushing to remove piles of waste and debris left over from the protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline before weather warms and the mountains of trash turn toxic.

According to cleaning crews, they're worried they might even find dead bodies among the piles of refuse that now pollute areas where anti-pipeline protesters camped out for months.

"It's estimated it will take 250 trucks filled with litter to clear the camp," according to a local NBC affiliate. Once the spring thaw comes, the area could be at risk of major environmental damage. "In a month, all this trash could become toxic."

"We are looking for, as I said, anything illegal, anything that might be used to, I guess, harm our officers during a protest," says Jay Gruebele, Morton County Sheriff's Office Captain.

Authorities are also searching through the piles for evidence they hope they don't find.

"As bad as it sounds, we're looking for people that may have died and could be wrapped up in a canvas or a tarp or tent," says Gruebele.

[davew]

250 trucks of left garbage? these eco-terrorists sure are environmentally friendly.

There may be dead people there? wouldn't someone know if people are missing presumed last seen there? or are these all vagabonds and protesters for hire?

[chadk66]

250 trucks of left garbage? these eco-terrorists sure are environmentally friendly.

There may be dead people there? wouldn't someone know if people are missing presumed last seen there? or are these all vagabonds and protesters for hire?there was a rumor that there was a tent with bodies in it. haven't seen anything come of that but makes a guy wonder. They have arrested two people for kidnapping and aggravated assault from the camp. One gal had her 80 year old mother zip tied to a chair in a cold tee pee and she was left for dead. They got her out of there and arrested the daughter. You should hear some of the stories from people (natives even) that went to the camp and just had to get out after a few days. Raping, Pillaging, the whole nine yards. Then they won't let you leave you have to sneak out. Intimidate the hell out of em to try to get them to stay. It's been inexcusable the actions of many of these criminals. It's never been about water and never will be.

[rastajenk]

Sounds just like the Occupy crap from a few years ago.

[Racetrack Playa]

2016
On September 10, a Sunoco pipeline ruptured near Sweetwater, Texas. About 33,000 gallons of crude oil were spilled. The pipeline was just over a year old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in _the_21st_century#2017

On October 21, an 8-inch Sunoco pipeline ruptured in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, spilling about 55,000 gallons of gasoline into the Susquehanna River

from dec 2nd
Same old shit. Look up the pipelines that already run under this country. They are everywhere with little trouble.

On December 2, equipment failure in a Denbury Resources source water pipeline led to a leak of approximately 84,000 gallons of source water into Skull Creek, in Bowman County, North Dakota



On December 5, a 6-inch Belle Fourche pipeline spilled 176,000 gallons of crude oil into Ash Coulee Creek in Billings County, North Dakota


It Happens all the time,

2017
On January 14, the Ozark Pipeline, an Enbridge division, spilled about 15,330 gallons of light oil at the Lawrence Pump Station, near Halltown, Missouri

On January 20 , 200,000-litre spill on Ocean Man First Nation territory Saskatchewan


On January 25, the Magellan pipeline leaked 138,600 gallons (3,300 barrels) of diesel fuel onto private agricultural land in Worth County, Iowa, near Hanlontown

[chrisl]

So the protesters use oil, to get where they need to go, to protest the use of oil. They should ride bikes, walk, take a bus. There you go! If they would like to make a dent. They should not use any oil products. Then the demand would go down, and they will not need pipelines. According to the poll's, most of America is against oil. Then they all band together and shut this puppy down. So easy.

[davew]

trucks hauling petroleum crash and leak all the time as well

trains hauling petroleum cars crash and burn all the time as well

tankers crash and leak all the time as well



are you one of the non-hypocrite libs who does not use petroleum?

I am thinking of starting a company selling carbon dioxide retention systems for libs, so they do not contribute to global warming/climate disruption. It will consist of a plastic bag and duct tape for libs to put over their head and tape around their neck.

[rastajenk]

Where I live, we have a dozen or more pipelines of various carbon-based products criss-crossing the county, which is bisected by a National Scenic River-designee. The operators pay for that, and the county is enriched by it. It is also home to some significant archaeological sites, mere miles from the pipelines. They can co-exist.

The natives should take the money and tell the Occupiers to get the hell out. The cause may sound noble, but the end result is a net loss.

[woodtoo]

Vacated "environmentalists" leave 50 tons of toxic waste and garbage
threatening the very environment they are protesting to protect.
@resistwemuch

[chadk66]

2016
On September 10, a Sunoco pipeline ruptured near Sweetwater, Texas. About 33,000 gallons of crude oil were spilled. The pipeline was just over a year old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in _the_21st_century#2017

On October 21, an 8-inch Sunoco pipeline ruptured in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, spilling about 55,000 gallons of gasoline into the Susquehanna River

from dec 2nd


On December 2, equipment failure in a Denbury Resources source water pipeline led to a leak of approximately 84,000 gallons of source water into Skull Creek, in Bowman County, North Dakota



On December 5, a 6-inch Belle Fourche pipeline spilled 176,000 gallons of crude oil into Ash Coulee Creek in Billings County, North Dakota


It Happens all the time,

2017
On January 14, the Ozark Pipeline, an Enbridge division, spilled about 15,330 gallons of light oil at the Lawrence Pump Station, near Halltown, Missouri

On January 20 , 200,000-litre spill on Ocean Man First Nation territory Saskatchewan


On January 25, the Magellan pipeline leaked 138,600 gallons (3,300 barrels) of diesel fuel onto private agricultural land in Worth County, Iowa, near HanlontownIf you add up all the gallons you just posted they don't come to the amount that the train derailment in Quebec amounted to. And they experienced loss of life and tremendous fire. do you have any idea the thousands of miles of pipeline in this country? And do you have any idea statistically how much safer per barrel it is to ship via pipe than over land?

[davew]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg16/chadk66/pipeline%20map_1.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/chadk66/media/pipeline%20map_1.jpg.html)

bore site

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg16/chadk66/bore%20site.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/chadk66/media/bore%20site.jpg.html)

[Racetrack Playa]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Kinder+Morgan+pipeline+application+says+spills+hav e+both+negative+positive+effects/9793673/story.html

“Pipeline spills can have both positive and negative effects on local and regional economies, both in the short- and long-term,” the company(Kinder Morgan) states in its submission to the National Energy Board, the federal government’s Calgary-based regulatory agency. “Spill response and cleanup creates business and employment opportunities for affected communities, regions, and cleanup service providers.”------THATS SOMTHING


same Company Kinder Morgan
http://savannahnow.com/news/2017-01-09/kinder-morgan-pipeline-spill-still-polluting-two-years-later


GoodLuck #confused

[Racetrack Playa]

If you add up all the gallons you just posted they don't come to the amount that the train derailment in Quebec amounted to. And they experienced loss of life and tremendous fire. do you have any idea the thousands of miles of pipeline in this country? And do you have any idea statistically how much safer per barrel it is to ship via pipe than over land?
I have no idea, but safety should be a priority ,and it isn't obviously.


On Jan. 30, an estimated 600,000 gallons, or 14,285 barrels' worth, of oil spewed out of Enbridge’s Seaway Pipeline in Blue Ridge, Texas.

The rupture is the second spill since the pipeline opened for business less than 1 year ago.

[Tom]

Looking at Dave's map, we should be seeing spill daily.
We are not.

[chadk66]

Looking at Dave's map, we should be seeing spill daily.
We are not.exactly. when you figure the amount of oil piped daily vs the amount spilled it's trivial when compared to the amount trucked vs the amount spilled and the death and destruction from exploding rail cars. Apparently the left thinks deaths are better than oil on the ground.

[davew]

Looking at Dave's map, we should be seeing spill daily.
We are not.

those are Chad's pics from his photobucket

I do not know what transport method is safest, but maybe if there was information like

gallon miles transported / gallon spilled


similar to travel deaths showing airplanes are safer than cars..

[davew]

It looks like the warm weather is starting to melt the snow :(

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/their-camp-turning-into-a-pit-of-mud-dakota-pipeline-protesters-face-the-inevitable/2017/02/12/8a3782b0-f0aa-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html?utm_term=.8d8b11eb4fa0

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/02/12/Production/Daily/A-Section/Images/IMG_7466.JPG

[chadk66]

they are hauling garbage out of the one camp that was on ACOE land. the state claims it is going to take 250 semi trailer (side dump) loads to haul it all out. It is basically an environmental disaster. Which is rather ironic. Law enforcement is sifting through the trash both at the camp and when it is dumped at the landfill. Looking for any illegal items, substances, etc. And looking for bodies. This whole thing just boggles my mind. They are screaming for an EIS. Well hell, there should have been an EIS done before they allowed this camp to be formed.

[GameTheory]

Looking at Dave's map, we should be seeing spill daily.
We are not.
To be fair, they do have leaks all the time. Not daily, but weekly is about right. A spill with 10s of thousands of gallons happens about every month in the U.S., very often into a river. At least 2 already this year, and there were at least 2 in December. The pipelines simply are not well-maintained (they wait until they break, it seems), and so it is getting worse as they age.

[chadk66]

To be fair, they do have leaks all the time. Not daily, but weekly is about right. A spill with 10s of thousands of gallons happens about every month in the U.S., very often into a river. At least 2 already this year, and there were at least 2 in December. The pipelines simply are not well-maintained (they wait until they break, it seems), and so it is getting worse as they age.most are very old and should be replaced. and they don't have leak detection. new pipelines are vastly superior in materials and leak detection. There was a leak of significance in Billings MT a few years ago. It leaked into the yellowstone river. This is where our drinking water comes from. Billings is about 250 miles away. Even in a river system it didn't make it 150 miles as far as being able to detect it. And it was under the ice. Within a month there was no trace that it ever happened. spills into water appear to be the best place for it. easier to clean up and it is cleansed much faster. The gulf is a classic example. I don't know if you could find any indication right now that the spill occurred down there.

[GameTheory]

most are very old and should be replaced. and they don't have leak detection. new pipelines are vastly superior in materials and leak detection. There was a leak of significance in Billings MT a few years ago. It leaked into the yellowstone river. This is where our drinking water comes from. Billings is about 250 miles away. Even in a river system it didn't make it 150 miles as far as being able to detect it. And it was under the ice. Within a month there was no trace that it ever happened. spills into water appear to be the best place for it. easier to clean up and it is cleansed much faster. The gulf is a classic example. I don't know if you could find any indication right now that the spill occurred down there.
It's also true a lot of the environmental damage is caused by the cleanup efforts when natural dissipation would work better. Still, I'm not quite ready to say that major spills caused by neglect and negligence are nothing to be concerned about. And they do really happen all the time -- the list is huge.

[chadk66]

It's also true a lot of the environmental damage is caused by the cleanup efforts when natural dissipation would work better. Still, I'm not quite ready to say that major spills caused by neglect and negligence are nothing to be concerned about. And they do really happen all the time -- the list is huge.then the country should cease to exist considering all the spills and all the irreversible damage. Occasionally we have a failure on a site that allows oil to flow out the flare stack. can't burn it off fast enough so it will blow out the flare stack. If it's windy it will blow a mist off the site. Which means often times onto farmers fields. the next year he has the best crop where the mist was lol. It's crazy. There is also oil eating bacteria that will clean up oil in water. Another way we can deal with it is to burn it off. A month or so we had a pipeline rupture and oil ran into a ravine and down into a pond. ground was frozen. so they burnt it all off. I'll bet you next july if you come look you'll never know it happened.

[Grits]

most are very old and should be replaced. and they don't have leak detection. new pipelines are vastly superior in materials and leak detection. There was a leak of significance in Billings MT a few years ago. It leaked into the yellowstone river. This is where our drinking water comes from. Billings is about 250 miles away. Even in a river system it didn't make it 150 miles as far as being able to detect it. And it was under the ice. Within a month there was no trace that it ever happened. spills into water appear to be the best place for it. easier to clean up and it is cleansed much faster. The gulf is a classic example. I don't know if you could find any indication right now that the spill occurred down there.

The Yellowstone River leak was one of ExxonMobil's, and since the 80s, at the time of the Exxon Valdese spill, then, the largest in U.S. history, their safety record has been far better than that of other oil companies. Though, of course, spills continue.

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-09-21/ap-newsbreak-settlement-reached-in-exxon-yellowstone-spill

Another of their corporations spills that occurred in 2006, over 11 years ago, is still being argued and settled in court. It took place in northern Maryland. The leak detection systems, alarms, etc on Exxon equipment have been in place for decades, and have been upgraded as technology has improved. This is all noted in Stephen Coll's book, "Private Empire". Still, the accidents continue to happen. There was a chapter dedicated to this spill, as well as others including the Valdese.

Pipelines are not always the culprit, not at all. The Maryland spill was 26,000 gallons from underground tanks at a neighborhood convenient mart/service station contaminating the ground water supply. Alarms sounded, and regional Exxon corporate management was called to the site. Thought to be repaired, it wasn't. It occurred over a period exceeding more than 35 days, coming about as the result of a nearby construction project. As the saying goes, "call before you dig".

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-01-27/news/bs-md-co-exxon-settlements-20140127_1_punitive-damages-leak-flerlage-jr

The folks in the Gulf might disagree with you as to the impact of British Petroleum's (whose safety record has not ever been equal to that of ExxonMobil and Shell.) The Deep Water Horizon spill is still a serious problem for humans and for wildlife alike.

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/20/400374744/5-years-after-bp-oil-spill-effects-linger-and-recovery-is-slow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_the_Deepwater_Horizon_oil_ spill

In the reading I've done, I come away with the belief that pipelines are probably the safer way to get fossil fuels transported.

[chadk66]

The Yellowstone River leak was one of ExxonMobil's, and since the 80s, at the time of the Exxon Valdese spill, then, the largest in U.S. history, their safety record has been far better than that of other oil companies. Though, of course, spills continue.

http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-09-21/ap-newsbreak-settlement-reached-in-exxon-yellowstone-spill

Another of their corporations spills that occurred in 2006, over 11 years ago, is still being argued and settled in court. It took place in northern Maryland. The leak detection systems, alarms, etc on Exxon equipment have been in place for decades, and have been upgraded as technology has improved. This is all noted in Stephen Coll's book, "Private Empire". Still, the accidents continue to happen. There was a chapter dedicated to this spill, as well as others including the Valdese.

Pipelines are not always the culprit, not at all. The Maryland spill was 26,000 gallons from underground tanks at a neighborhood convenient mart/service station contaminating the ground water supply. Alarms sounded, and regional Exxon corporate management was called to the site. Thought to be repaired, it wasn't. It occurred over a period exceeding more than 35 days, coming about as the result of a nearby construction project. As the saying goes, "call before you dig".

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-01-27/news/bs-md-co-exxon-settlements-20140127_1_punitive-damages-leak-flerlage-jr

The folks in the Gulf might disagree with you as to the impact of British Petroleum's (whose safety record has not ever been equal to that of ExxonMobil and Shell.) The Deep Water Horizon spill is still a serious problem for humans and for wildlife alike.

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/20/400374744/5-years-after-bp-oil-spill-effects-linger-and-recovery-is-slow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_the_Deepwater_Horizon_oil_ spill

In the reading I've done, I come away with the belief that pipelines are probably the safer way to get fossil fuels transported.in regards to the gulf you have to take into consideration the source. I have co-workers that live right on the gulf coast south of New Orleans. Right where the spill happened. They hunt and fish that area all the time. Shrimp fishing is excellent right now they claim. There are just no real signs that anything happened there. There are thousands of miles of oil pipeline buried under the gulf floor also.

[davew]

'Terrorists have destroyed millions of dollars worth of construction equipment'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pipeline-exec-compares-dakota-protesters-terrorists-172654717--politics.html

[chadk66]

'Terrorists have destroyed millions of dollars worth of construction equipment'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pipeline-exec-compares-dakota-protesters-terrorists-172654717--politics.htmlthat happened very early on. but it was a peaceful riot:lol:

[davew]

The protestors are helping the clean-up effort by burning down their structures. Just think about all the truckloads of junk that will not need to be hauled. I do have to wonder about all of the carbon dioxide and chemicals that are going up with the smoke.

[JustRalph]

Two children burned

Nice job assholes

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/22/dakota-access-protesters-set-20-fires-during-evacu/

[chadk66]

they didn't even remove all of them yesterday. gave a dozen or so till this morning. got too sloppy to finish clearing them/things out yesterday. going to resume this morning when it's frozen. the state/feds have handled this so poorly it's embarrassing.

[JustRalph]

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/07/activists-confess-multiple-attempts-sabotage-dakota-access-pipeline/

Admitted sabotage

[JustRalph]

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03/30/federal-judge-environmental-group-sued-others-therefore-can-sued/

Lawsuit continues

[chadk66]

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03/30/federal-judge-environmental-group-sued-others-therefore-can-sued/

Lawsuit continuesthere was a big "oh shit" let out from that group today.

[davew]

The pipeline company owns too much farmland as well. North Dakota corporate farm land law is after them. Was snowing yesterday when I took Amtrak through there... dang climate disruption continues...

[chadk66]

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/07/activists-confess-multiple-attempts-sabotage-dakota-access-pipeline/

Admitted sabotageThis doesn't surprise anybody

[JustRalph]

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/07/activists-confess-multiple-attempts-sabotage-dakota-access-pipeline/

Admitted sabotage

Time for prison.

They got hammered


https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/09/22/second-woman-who-sabotaged-the-dakota-access-pipeline-is-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-n498395

[jocko699]

Time for prison.

They got hammered


https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/09/22/second-woman-who-sabotaged-the-dakota-access-pipeline-is-sentenced-to-six-years-in-prison-n498395

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwCBYP9uJpM

[davew]

with this administration, they are not terrorists ... they are patriots

there should be awards and pardons coming soon :puke: