Clinton's= crime family, per fmr NY FBI chief

[ElKabong]

http://nypost.com/2016/10/30/the-clintons-are-a-crime-family-ex-fbi-big/

“The Clintons, that’s a crime family,” declared former New York FBI chief James Kallstrom in a radio interview.

“It’s like organized crime, basically. The Clinton Foundation is a cesspool.”....(snip)

“It’s just outrageous how Hillary Clinton sold her office for money,” said Kallstrom, who has long been a critic of the Clintons and President Obama.

“And she’s a pathological liar, and she’s always been a liar. And God forbid if we put someone like that in the White House.”

In another interview Sunday, Kallstrom said the handling of the probe into Hillary Clinton’s emails by FBI Director James Comey was sowing discord among rank-and-file FBI agents.

SNIP

[OTM Al]

http://nypost.com/2016/10/30/the-clintons-are-a-crime-family-ex-fbi-big/

“The Clintons, that’s a crime family,” declared former New York FBI chief James Kallstrom in a radio interview.

“It’s like organized crime, basically. The Clinton Foundation is a cesspool.”....(snip)

“It’s just outrageous how Hillary Clinton sold her office for money,” said Kallstrom, who has long been a critic of the Clintons and President Obama.

“And she’s a pathological liar, and she’s always been a liar. And God forbid if we put someone like that in the White House.”

In another interview Sunday, Kallstrom said the handling of the probe into Hillary Clinton’s emails by FBI Director James Comey was sowing discord among rank-and-file FBI agents.

SNIP
You mean the same former FBI Assistant Director who endorsed Donald Trump on Fox 11 days ago?

[ElKabong]

gee, I wonder why he wouldn't endorse Hillary....

He no longer serves in the FBI, he can open up. I'll take his experience with the subject over yours any day

[OTM Al]

gee, I wonder why he wouldn't endorse Hillary....

He no longer serves in the FBI, he can open up. I'll take his experience with the subject over yours any day
But wait, I thought the FBI was corrupt and owned by the other guys...seriously, the guy has been making the conservative talk rounds for a while. I expect him to say nothing less given the current climate of what was once called political discourse. I note he says nothing about the Trump foundation being illegal in the State he used to have his offices in, but whatever.

[PaceAdvantage]

Maybe he'll tell us the truth behind TWA Flight 800 next...

[OTM Al]

Maybe he'll tell us the truth behind TWA Flight 800 next...
Yeah, that was his former claim to fame wasn't it? He covered it all up by himself...yeah, whatever....

[DSB]

I note he says nothing about the Trump foundation being illegal in the State he used to have his offices in, but whatever.
Face it. Whatever Trump has done is a pimple.

What Hillary has done is a huge, red, festering boil about to explode with a gush of pus....

Hopefully everyone is finished with lunch. If not, you can thank Hillary for ruining it...

[PaceAdvantage]

I know Al...everything is exactly as it seems..nothing is ever hidden...emails are never deleted... :lol:

1996...July...hmmmm....only a few months before a presidential election involving another Clinton...nah...they would never try to cover up something like that...they're Clintons...always on the up and up.

[OTM Al]

Face it. Whatever Trump has done is a pimple.

What Hillary has done is huge, red, festering boil about to explode with a gush of pus....

Hopefully everyone is finished with lunch. If not, you can thank Hillary for ruining it...
It's an Alinsky Plot!!!!! (DUM-DUM-DUM!!!!!!) (that is a musical clue. I am not calling you dumb, which is of course spelled differently....)

[OTM Al]

I know Al...everything is exactly as it seems..nothing is ever hidden...emails are never deleted... :lol:
As soon as someone tells me what level the classification was, when the classification was placed (ex post or ex ante) and how many were more than just a daily schedule and mundane stuff, I might put more credence into the whole thing, but at the moment all I hear is recycled and basically meaningless garbage. I don't even know what it seems. There are no facts.

[PaceAdvantage]

I amended my reply BTW... ;)

[PaceAdvantage]

And I'm thinking this new FBI look goes beyond whether classified material was sent or received....if it was merely that, I don't think they would have spoken up this close to the election....

[OTM Al]

I amended my reply BTW... ;)
I remember so many saying back then how much a better President Hillary would make...

[OTM Al]

And I'm thinking this new FBI look goes beyond whether classified material was sent or received....if it was merely that, I don't think they would have spoken up this close to the election....
Who knows? We're not going to before election day which makes this affair even more problematic. So many are saying so much with absolutely nothing to go on. That is not a smart way to run things.

[DSB]

It's an Alinsky Plot!!!!!

No it's not. The bulk of her problems will stem from her capitalist dealings. She sold access and favors as SoS for cold, hard cash.

Maybe there's hope for her after all!

(just kidding. She practices capitalism when it enriches herself. Her politics is strictly Leftist. She gets the cash and we get a globalist Alinsky paradise. Seems fair, doesn't it?)

[Tom]

If something was not classified when it was sent, but it shows up as classified in the email dumps, tell me how it got marked that way AFTER it was sent?

[MONEY]

Who knows? We're not going to before election day which makes this affair even more problematic. So many are saying so much with absolutely nothing to go on. That is not a smart way to run things.
But this is what the Democrat Party wanted.

"And as I've mentioned, we've all
been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire
to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains
strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands
some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven,
demographically-inspired messaging."

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599

[OTM Al]

If something was not classified when it was sent, but it shows up as classified in the email dumps, tell me how it got marked that way AFTER it was sent?
There were emails in the original investigation that had information that was not classified in any way when they were sent that was classified later. This was revealed in the investigation. Info is constantly reviewed in this respect. Likewise there are things that were classified that no longer have that tag. What these things are, who knows, but that is what was reported.

[OTM Al]

But this is what the Democrat Party wanted.

"And as I've mentioned, we've all
been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire
to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains
strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands
some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven,
demographically-inspired messaging."

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599
That looks like a commentary on how celebrity culture has taken over the US when you read the whole thing, not some desired end of one party or another. It sounds pretty much right to me.

[mostpost]

http://nypost.com/2016/10/30/the-clintons-are-a-crime-family-ex-fbi-big/

“The Clintons, that’s a crime family,” declared former New York FBI chief James Kallstrom in a radio interview.

“It’s like organized crime, basically. The Clinton Foundation is a cesspool.”....(snip)

“It’s just outrageous how Hillary Clinton sold her office for money,” said Kallstrom, who has long been a critic of the Clintons and President Obama.

“And she’s a pathological liar, and she’s always been a liar. And God forbid if we put someone like that in the White House.”

In another interview Sunday, Kallstrom said the handling of the probe into Hillary Clinton’s emails by FBI Director James Comey was sowing discord among rank-and-file FBI agents.

SNIP
As has been pointed out, Kallstrom is a strong supporter of Trump. As a private citizen he has a right to be, but that colors all his opinions. Apparently, he has some kind of conspiracy theory about TWA flight #800 which is quite at odds with the evidence. And he claims that 90% of Syria refugees are healthy combat aged males. The fact is that about 2% fit that category.

Being in the FBI does not bestow sainthood on a person. His opinions can be just as wrong as yours.

[EasyGoer89]

As has been pointed out, Kallstrom is a strong supporter of Trump. As a private citizen he has a right to be, but that colors all his opinions. Apparently, he has some kind of conspiracy theory about TWA flight #800 which is quite at odds with the evidence. And he claims that 90% of Syria refugees are healthy combat aged males. The fact is that about 2% fit that category.

Being in the FBI does not bestow sainthood on a person. His opinions can be just as wrong as yours.

Colors his opinions, eh?

But if Michele Obama comes out and speaks against Trump, everyone is going crazy, nobody mentions the conflict of interest.

[mostpost]

If something was not classified when it was sent, but it shows up as classified in the email dumps, tell me how it got marked that way AFTER it was sent?
Kind of slow aren't we. The physical email was not marked. The information in the email was determined to be classified after the email was sent. Two possibilities exist. One, the information was classified, but not properly marked, or it was only classified after it was sent.

[PaceAdvantage]

Why are we talking about this? Didn't Comey, in his July testimony, clearly state that there WAS email that was sent or received on HRC's private server that was CLASSIFIED at the TIME it was sent or received?

Maybe I heard him wrong, but I'm pretty sure he testified to that fact.

Also, that pesky little "c" marking that Clinton says she had no idea that meant classified...I remember hearing something about that as well...but again, maybe I heard wrong.

[EasyGoer89]

Kind of slow aren't we. The physical email was not marked. The information in the email was determined to be classified after the email was sent. Two possibilities exist. One, the information was classified, but not properly marked, or it was only classified after it was sent.

Oh boy.

[EasyGoer89]

Someone made a point in an interview on tv the other day that if she didn't know what the C stood for, why not ask and try and find out? Since she's so good at e mailing people, would have taken 2 seconds to e mail someone who knew, she could have had the answer in less than 2 minutes.

If she didn't know it meant classified, she must have either not known at all what it meant OR thought it specifically meant something else, has to be one of the two if we are to believe her story.

Has she ever said what she thought it meant if not classified?

Also, someone who doesn't know a classified from a non classified, do we really want a person like that running the country?

#notfit

[PaceAdvantage]

Someone made a point in an interview on tv the other day that if she didn't know what the C stood for, why not ask and try and find out? Since she's so good at e mailing people, would have taken 2 seconds to e mail someone who knew, she could have had the answer in less than 2 minutes.

If she didn't know it meant classified, she must have either not known at all what it meant OR thought it specifically meant something else, has to be one of the two if we are to believe her story.

Has she ever said what she thought it meant if not classified?

Also, someone who doesn't know a classified from a non classified, do we really want a person like that running the country?

#notfitAnd she wants to be my latex salesman?!

Really...Obama said she is the most qualified person to ever run for President... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ...doesn't know what "c" means.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :liar: :liar: :liar: :liar: :liar: :liar: :liar:

[ElKabong]

SNL should do some skits on Hillary very soon. Prints out emails? RU ****ing kidding me?

Only old people with blue hair and coke bottle glasses PRINT emails from work. Our Director would fire someone for printing emails of all things, in the office.

She's a ****ing dinosaur, people of the generation behind her would taunt and make fun of her to her face for being so far behind the times

[reckless]

Anthony Weiner is facing up for 20 years max in jail for swapping pornographic and vulgar pictures with under age girls through the Internet.

Why doesn't anyone not think that there's a remote possibility that Weiner could be the very person the FBI received the heads-up from on all those state.gov emails on his and Huma's personal computer. And isn't also quite possible some of those emails include messages from Hillary, Huma, Podesta, et al, about them lying to the FBI and covering up the original investigation?

Yes, it's possible that Weiner could be the source of some these leaks. On his home computer where there's those 650,000 emails, it was housed in a folder titled Life Insurance. Maybe Weiner feels he needs these emails as his life insurance so that he doesn't get killed or even receive the max 20 years in prision.

[Valuist]

Did anyone watch the World Series game 5 postgame? They cut back to the Fox set, with A-Rod, Pete Rose and Frank Thomas. Right behind the set was a huge sign, in clear view "Hillary for Prison". Fox finally changed the camera angles but it was seen multiple times.

[PaceAdvantage]

Anthony Weiner is facing up for 20 years max in jail for swapping pornographic and vulgar pictures with under age girls through the Internet.

Why doesn't anyone not think that there's a remote possibility that Weiner could be the very person the FBI received the heads-up from on all those state.gov emails on his and Huma's personal computer. And isn't also quite possible some of those emails include messages from Hillary, Huma, Podesta, et al, about them lying to the FBI and covering up the original investigation?

Yes, it's possible that Weiner could be the source of some these leaks. On his home computer where there's those 650,000 emails, it was housed in a folder titled Life Insurance. Maybe Weiner feels he needs these emails as his life insurance so that he doesn't get killed or even receive the max 20 years in prision.Good point...however...they don't need to offer Weiner a deal in order to get the emails...they already have them.

But you're right, perhaps he was surreptitiously backing up Huma's computer onto his own for the very reason you state...leverage...but I don't think it's any use to him at this point.

Unless of course he has something locked away in a safety deposit box... :lol:

[ElKabong]

Anthony Weiner is facing up for 20 years max in jail for swapping pornographic and vulgar pictures with under age girls through the Internet.

Why doesn't anyone not think that there's a remote possibility that Weiner could be the very person the FBI received the heads-up from on all those state.gov emails on his and Huma's personal computer. And isn't also quite possible some of those emails include messages from Hillary, Huma, Podesta, et al, about them lying to the FBI and covering up the original investigation?

Yes, it's possible that Weiner could be the source of some these leaks. On his home computer where there's those 650,000 emails, it was housed in a folder titled Life Insurance. Maybe Weiner feels he needs these emails as his life insurance so that he doesn't get killed or even receive the max 20 years in prision.

I would lay money weiner squealed.

Weiner knows his ass is grass. He cut a deal, pure and simple. He can get back at his ex, or Hillary or both. Others have dealt for immunity, he figured he might do the same knowing what was waiting for him

[Tom]

Unless of course he has something locked away in a safety deposit box... :lol:

Man, I would NOT want to look into that box!:eek:

[classhandicapper]

I can't believe we are still arguing about this. Anyone that thinks she didn't set up a private server so she could she bypass the normal government security protocols is too naive or politically blinded to have a discussion with.

She deleted thousands of emails and destroyed devices.

What did she delete and destroy, conversations about the House Wives of NJ?

She's far and away the most corrupt person to run for president in my lifetime and I go back to Kennedy. Nixon was a choir boy compared to this one.

I hope her economic plan involves trading cattle futures. :rolleyes:

If you are going to vote for her because Trump is offensive, insensitive, volatile, inexperienced or whatever, so be it. But you are voting for an incompetent criminal.

[classhandicapper]

CIA Offcier - Why the emails matter.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/303499-hillarys-emails-matter-a-retired-cia-officer

[JustRalph]

Kind of slow aren't we. The physical email was not marked. The information in the email was determined to be classified after the email was sent. Two possibilities exist. One, the information was classified, but not properly marked, or it was only classified after it was sent.

She sent info on a drone strikes! An amoeba could figure out that drone strike plans for the future must be classified. I guarantee you those same damn emails are probably on Weiners computer! If she is this stupid, she's disqualified.

https://news.vice.com/article/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-classified-drone-strike-plans

""After reviewing an email dated [redacted], with subject line [redacted], Clinton stated she did not remember the email specifically. Clinton stated deliberation over a future drone strike did not give her cause for concern regarding classification," the FBI's memorandum said, suggesting that Clinton's responses to specific questions she was asked during a 3-hour interview at FBI headquarters July 2 centered around classified information contained in her emails about the Obama administration's targeted killing program. "Clinton understood this type of conversation as part of the routine deliberation process ... Clinton believed the classification level of future drone strikes depended on the context."

[ElKabong]

She sent info on a drone strikes! An amoeba could figure out that drone strike plans for the future must be classified. I guarantee you those same damn emails are probably on Weiners computer! If she is this stupid, she's disqualified.

https://news.vice.com/article/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-classified-drone-strike-plans

""After reviewing an email dated [redacted], with subject line [redacted], Clinton stated she did not remember the email specifically. Clinton stated deliberation over a future drone strike did not give her cause for concern regarding classification," the FBI's memorandum said, suggesting that Clinton's responses to specific questions she was asked during a 3-hour interview at FBI headquarters July 2 centered around classified information contained in her emails about the Obama administration's targeted killing program. "Clinton understood this type of conversation as part of the routine deliberation process ... Clinton believed the classification level of future drone strikes depended on the context."

Unqualified, yes. If Americans make the mistake of voting her in, IMPEACHED.

I don't think libs quite get it yet. Their candidate is a duck in a barrel. The high they're on will evaporate around mid March. Then it's drip, drip, drip. The whole party will be taken down after its all done

[woodtoo]

I can't believe we are still arguing about this. Anyone that thinks she didn't set up a private server so she could she bypass the normal government security protocols is too naive or politically blinded to have a discussion with.

She deleted thousands of emails and destroyed devices.

What did she delete and destroy, conversations about the House Wives of NJ?

She's far and away the most corrupt person to run for president in my lifetime and I go back to Kennedy. Nixon was a choir boy compared to this one.

I hope her economic plan involves trading cattle futures. :rolleyes:

If you are going to vote for her because Trump is offensive, insensitive, volatile, inexperienced or whatever, so be it. But you are voting for an incompetent criminal.
I love this post, please repost everyday till election :D

[Clocker]

If you are going to vote for her because Trump is offensive, insensitive, volatile, inexperienced or whatever, so be it. But you are voting for an incompetent criminal.

"Incompetent" criminal? :lol:

[NJ Stinks]

She's far and away the most corrupt person to run for president in my lifetime and I go back to Kennedy. Nixon was a choir boy compared to this one.



Are you 5 years old or what? :rolleyes:

[NJ Stinks]

I don't think libs quite get it yet. Their candidate is a duck in a barrel. The high they're on will evaporate around mid March. Then it's drip, drip, drip. The whole party will be taken down after its all done

You don't get it. Nobody on the Dem side is on a high. :rolleyes:

[NJ Stinks]

The simple fact is that Trump is horrible. We all know it.

Trump is the only person Hillary has to beat. If he can't beat Hillary, too bad.

Not that most of you won't cry us a river.

[EasyGoer89]

The simple fact is that Trump is horrible. We all know it.

Trump is the only person Hillary has to beat. If he can't beat Hillary, too bad.

Not that most of you won't cry us a river.

Its not simple, well, maybe it is for simpletons who just buy into talking points. There's nothing wrong with Trump. At all. If there was, we would be hearing about it instead of hearing about Miss Piggy from 1996.

Use your head.

[fast4522]

Are you 5 years old or what? :rolleyes:

Are you an ostrich or what?

[NJ Stinks]

Are you an ostrich or what?

No but the picture is great! :ThmbUp:

[ElKabong]

You don't get it. Nobody on the Dem side is on a high. :rolleyes:

Have you seen hcap's posts today? She's outright giddy ;)

You're right, none of us are winners after this thing is over regardless of the outcome.

[Greyfox]

The Daily Mail is reporting that the FBI has 5 investigations going on regarding the Clintons.
It seems that no one in their close circle is squeaky clean.
Interesting article.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3889994/Influence-peddling-acting-Putin-s-ally-hiding-classified-secrets-sexting-FIVE-separate-FBI-cases-probing-virtually-one-Clinton-s-inner-circle-families.html

[jk3521]

Isn't this fun ?

[chadk66]

there isn't enough pain in the world inflicted on the Clinton's that would satisfy me.

[thaskalos]

there isn't enough pain in the world inflicted on the Clinton's that would satisfy me.

You sound as if you have something PERSONAL against them. Have you felt similarly about OTHER deeply flawed American politicians...or are the Clintons the only ones?

[chadk66]

You sound as if you have something PERSONAL against them. Have you felt similarly about OTHER deeply flawed American politicians...or are the Clintons the only ones?Mostly the Clinton's. But there are many I despise. Nancy, Harry, Weiner, etc. etc. There are republicans too. Come to think of it I don't like any politicians. But despise the crooked ones. But the Clinton's are far beyond crooked. Death penalty is what they deserve.

[Tom]

It is personal.
These scumbags affect all of us and our families.
It doesn't get any more personal than that.

We used to give some degree of respect to elected officials.
We were fools to do so.

We used to say their families were off limits.
We were fools to do so.

The time has come to not respect the government, but to hate it, and mistrust it, and never, ever believe it.

Trump and his government will be subject to the same.
It will up to him to earn or respect.

He will get none on day one.

[EasyGoer89]

You sound as if you have something PERSONAL against them. Have you felt similarly about OTHER deeply flawed American politicians...or are the Clintons the only ones?

Its personal for many, doubt that will change anytime soon, especially the paid operatives who went to Trump rallies to cause violence and blame it on the 'culture' of the Trump supporter. Many won't ever forget that and won't ever forget who supported Hillary even with evidence she's a bad person, bad candidate and one of the biggest criminals America has ever seen.

[OTM Al]

And now there's talk that the FBI is also investigating the Trump campaign for ties to Russia. Hopefully also much ado about nothing. Of course he is also under investigation by the IRS as well as another high ranking follower being investigated by the Secret Service to determine if made threats against Mrs. Clinton's life. So we also seem to have a Trump crime family if we want to stick with this ridiculous line of reasoning.

[ElKabong]

it's personal if you have a job.., you work for your family and a future... you bust your ass so you can retire with a decent life

If you live off a gubmint handout, i can see where one could care less. It's pretty much the same. No change, you always get only what the gubmint sees fit to handout

[thaskalos]

It is personal.
These scumbags affect all of us and our families.
It doesn't get any more personal than that.

We used to give some degree of respect to elected officials.
We were fools to do so.

We used to say their families were off limits.
We were fools to do so.

The time has come to not respect the government, but to hate it, and mistrust it, and never, ever believe it.

Trump and his government will be subject to the same.
It will up to him to earn or respect.

He will get none on day one.

I can't disagree with you, Tom...because your post has a wide scope. But if you singled out the Clintons, like Chadk66 did...then I would find your post confusing. IMO...there is nothing that distinguishes the Clintons from the other high-profile politicians that we have seen...as far as "criminality" is concerned. Some haven't gotten exposed, for a variety of reasons...that's all. ALL of them are corrupt...and NONE of them can be trusted.

[thaskalos]

it's personal if you have a job.., you work for your family and a future... you bust your ass so you can retire with a decent life

If you live off a gubmint handout, i can see where one could care less. It's pretty much the same. No change, you always get only what the gubmint sees fit to handout

The working-man gets screwed no matter WHO the president is. Which president can you recall who cared about you...and your family's future? The only ones who are guaranteed to "retire with a decent life"...are the politicians themselves.

[EasyGoer89]

And now there's talk that the FBI is also investigating the Trump campaign for ties to Russia. Hopefully also much ado about nothing. Of course he is also under investigation by the IRS as well as another high ranking follower being investigated by the Secret Service to determine if made threats against Mrs. Clinton's life. So we also seem to have a Trump crime family if we want to stick with this ridiculous line of reasoning.

This is all manufactured talking points, if trump had a skeleton or two we would have heard about them, no? All we hear is some fake allegations that he might have kissed a woman aggressively or called one a funny name a couple decades ago. I'm not suggesting he's Snow White, but why nothing about him in recent times, you know they have spent plenty of money and effort to find something in the last decade, where is it?

[ElKabong]

The working-man gets screwed no matter WHO the president is. Which president can you recall who cared about you...and your family's future? The only ones who are guaranteed to "retire with a decent life"...are the politicians themselves.

Reagan turned a truly bad economy around. He didn't have the luxury of having the Internet coming of age, creating a lot of great paying jobs. He steered the country in the right direction.

GW Bush started the economy back on track here in Texas. He reached across the aisle and for the first time in my life, the state came together to become a very strong economy...(then nafta's wake took us down a few notches recently)

[OTM Al]

Reagan turned a truly bad economy around. He didn't have the luxury of having the Internet coming of age, creating a lot of great paying jobs. He steered the country in the right direction.

No he didn't. He was in the right place at the right time. A change in Federal Reserve policy that shifted emphasis from stabilizing interest rates to stabilizing inflation had way more to do with that than any president or legislative member. Legislators can not act quickly enough to hit at causes of economic downturns. Their posturing comes well after the fact of the event and the beginnings of its correction.

[ElKabong]

No he didn't. He was in the right place at the right time. A change in Federal Reserve policy that shifted emphasis from stabilizing interest rates to stabilizing inflation had way more to do with that than any president or legislative member. Legislators can not act quickly enough to hit at causes of economic downturns. Their posturing comes well after the fact of the event and the beginnings of its correction.

Nice spin. Maybe HE had help from the kgb, too ;)

Being a young adult at the time, I can't help but think of carter's dismal speeches and overall outlook vs Reagan's positive outlook. Employers pick up on it, the populace did too. After he was elected the whole black cloud seemed to lift

And I voted for carter, btw.

Edit to add... By "employers" I should have mentioned the tone of the outlook here, locally. People here actually had hope, real hope, that things would get better. Business leaders were very optimistic at the time as was my then employer (Texas Instruments)

[thaskalos]

Reagan turned a truly bad economy around. He didn't have the luxury of having the Internet coming of age, creating a lot of great paying jobs. He steered the country in the right direction.

GW Bush started the economy back on track here in Texas. He reached across the aisle and for the first time in my life, the state came together to become a very strong economy...(then nafta's wake took us down a few notches recently)

And yet, many others have roundly criticized Reagan for "packaging up" the country and selling it to Wall Street...while GWB is widely regarded as the most unpopular president in our country's history.

Each one of us looks at the world through his/her own private key-hole...and NONE of us gets a good view of what the "total picture" looks like. You lived in Texas when GWB was president...and you think he did a decent job. I lived in Illinois...and I thought he sucked. That's life...

[OTM Al]

Nice spin. Maybe HE had help from the kgb, too ;)

Being a young adult at the time, I can't help but think of carter's dismal speeches and overall outlook vs Reagan's positive outlook. Employers pick up on it, the populace did too. After he was elected the whole black cloud seemed to lift

And I voted for carter, btw.

Edit to add... By "employers" I should have mentioned the tone of the outlook here, locally. People here actually had hope, real hope, that things would get better.
So what we need is an actor to feed us happy bs is what you are saying? Sure cure to all that woes us. At least Reagan knew how to function in government as he did have experience in that area unlike the current actor wannabe. Of course not to say that Reagan's administration did nothing illegal.....

[Mulerider]

...while GWB is widely regarded as the most unpopular president in our country's history...

Each one of us looks at the world through his/her own private key-hole...and NONE of us gets a good view of what the "total picture" looks like. You lived in Texas when GWB was president...and you think he did a decent job. I lived in Illinois...and I thought he sucked. That's life...

Jimmy Carter's successor won 44 states and 489 electoral votes. George W. Bush's successor won 28 states and 365 electoral votes. l respectfully submit that Jimmy Carter holds the dubious distinction of being the most unpopular president in our history.

[Tom]

Hillary has far more government experience than Trump.

That is why she is so dangerous.

[EasyGoer89]

Hillary has far more government experience than Trump.

That is why she is so dangerous.

As Trump would say 'she has experience but its bad experience'

[ElKabong]

So what we need is an actor to feed us happy bs is what you are saying? Sure cure to all that woes us. At least Reagan knew how to function in government as he did have experience in that area unlike the current actor wannabe. Of course not to say that Reagan's administration did nothing illegal.....

Make yourself feel good, buddy. Have at it. Try to reduce the great turnaround of the 80s all you like, doesn't phase me at all.

I just wish we had the unabashed enthusiasm that things were going to turn around, like what I saw in the early 80s. My co workers and upward chain, I'd never seen that kind of eagerness for the future since the week of that 1980 election

During the carter years my parents lost two businesses due to a sinking economy that carter had zero clue as to how to handle. Those were truly hard times for my family. I had to transfer from a tier one University to a local UNiversity. That was small potatoes compared to what my folks endured during those carter years.

Imagine being in your 50s and going thru the economy we had in the 1970s.....that was my parents... And a lot of others parents too....guess what, we are going through the same shitstorm now. Yea Obama and obamacare with the sky high premium hikes

Hi five, man. Let's sign up for four more years of this shit...

[EasyGoer89]

Make yourself feel good, buddy. Have at it. Try to reduce the great turnaround of the 80s all you like, doesn't phase me at all.

I just wish we had the unabashed enthusiasm that things were going to turn around, like what I saw in the early 80s. My co workers and upward chain, I'd never seen that kind of eagerness for the future since the week of that 1980 election

During the carter years my parents lost two businesses due to a sinking economy that carter had zero clue as to how to handle. Those were truly hard times for my family. I had to transfer from a tier one University to a local UNiversity. That was small potatoes compared to what my folks endured during those carter years.

Imagine being in your 50s and going thru the economy we had in the 1970s.....that was my parents... And a lot of others parents too....guess what, we are going through the same shitstorm now. Yea Obama and obqmqvare with the sky high premium hikes

Hi five, man. Let's sign up for four more years of this shit...

I agree, congratulations to all of us if she wins, woo hoo, happy days are here again, but you know, all these supporters of hillary could care less about the tens of thousands of unchecked illegals pouring in from everywhere, coming with malice in their hearts towards american citizens, they can care less as long as their personal family isn't affected, its out of sight out of mind, they walk out of their front doors in the morning with the sun shining and all seems well, so yeah, congrats, high fives all around!

[OTM Al]

Jimmy Carter's successor won 44 states and 489 electoral votes. George W. Bush's successor won 28 states and 365 electoral votes. l respectfully submit that Jimmy Carter holds the dubious distinction of being the most unpopular president in our history.
The evidence presented does not prove the case you are trying to make. Carter was beaten down by the Iran hostage crisis and Reagan's side played right into that, thus the lopsided vote. Reagan won 50.7% of the popular vote to Obama's 52.9% to counter even your bad example.

[OTM Al]

Make yourself feel good, buddy. Have at it. Try to reduce the great turnaround of the 80s all you like, doesn't phase me at all.

I just wish we had the unabashed enthusiasm that things were going to turn around, like what I saw in the early 80s. My co workers and upward chain, I'd never seen that kind of eagerness for the future since the week of that 1980 election

During the carter years my parents lost two businesses due to a sinking economy that carter had zero clue as to how to handle. Those were truly hard times for my family. I had to transfer from a tier one University to a local UNiversity. That was small potatoes compared to what my folks endured during those carter years.

Imagine being in your 50s and going thru the economy we had in the 1970s.....that was my parents... And a lot of others parents too....guess what, we are going through the same shitstorm now. Yea Obama and obamacare with the sky high premium hikes

Hi five, man. Let's sign up for four more years of this shit...

Things were going to turn around because businesses knew that the government was finally taking action to get inflation under control which matters a hell of a lot more than whatever jackass is in office. Sorry for your troubles but people suffer even during good economies.

[OTM Al]

I agree, congratulations to all of us if she wins, woo hoo, happy days are here again, but you know, all these supporters of hillary could care less about the tens of thousands of unchecked illegals pouring in from everywhere, coming with malice in their hearts towards american citizens, they can care less as long as their personal family isn't affected, its out of sight out of mind, they walk out of their front doors in the morning with the sun shining and all seems well, so yeah, congrats, high fives all around!
You mistake me for a Hillary supporter. I will finally cast a vote this election for her, not because I like her, but I dislike the alternative that much. I have never done that before, far preferring to abstain.

Trump will not stop illegal immigration by the way. No one can. And I'd dare say very few of them have malice in their hearts. I think most just want a safe place to work and have a family like everyone else, but believe the rhetoric if you wish. I'll believe what I actually see. waste billions on a wall instead of solutions if it makes you that happy.

[Mulerider]

The evidence presented does not prove the case you are trying to make. Carter was beaten down by the Iran hostage crisis and Reagan's side played right into that, thus the lopsided vote. Reagan won 50.7% of the popular vote to Obama's 52.9% to counter even your bad example.

Ronald Reagan's 50.7% was diluted by the presence of a second Republican in the race (John Anderson) who ended up with 6.6% of the vote, and I seriously doubt those votes were from Democrats. I agree that the Iran hostage crisis worked to Carter's disadvantage, but no more so than economic issues.

[OTM Al]

Ronald Reagan's 50.7% was diluted by the presence of a second Republican in the race (John Anderson) who ended up with 6.6% of the vote, and I seriously doubt those votes were from Democrats. I agree that the Iran hostage crisis worked to Carter's disadvantage, but no more so than economic issues.
I mirrored your analysis exactly. It was bad analysis in that it was a non sequitur so why dispute it any further?

[ElKabong]

Things were going to turn around because businesses knew that the government was finally taking action to get inflation under control which matters a hell of a lot more than whatever jackass is in office. .

You couldn't convince the business leaders here in Dallas or in Texas that things would organically turnaround. All i remember was 'we have to get carter the hell out to save our ass'

Remember, Carter carried Texas in 1976. But people here, esp business leaders, couldnt ditch him fast enough

[Mulerider]

I mirrored your analysis exactly. It was bad analysis in that it was a non sequitur so why dispute it any further?

"Popularity" is an abstract concept absent some mechanism to measure it. How would you do it? Public opinion polls? The pronouncements of historians or posters on message boards? The only meaningful measurement is the actual vote that reveals the level of pleasure (popularity) or displeasure (unpopularity) with the incumbent. Is it the best way to measure it? Maybe not, but I know of no other way to do it that doesn't involve mere opinion. Perhaps you do?

[OTM Al]

"Popularity" is an abstract concept absent some mechanism to measure it. How would you do it? Public opinion polls? The pronouncements of historians or posters on message boards? The only meaningful measurement is the actual vote that reveals the level of pleasure (popularity) or displeasure (unpopularity) with the incumbent. Is it the best way to measure it? Maybe not, but I know of no other way to do it that doesn't involve mere opinion. Perhaps you do?
But that only gives comparative popularity at that point in time against the opponent(s). Comparing such numbers across elections just doesn't mean anything. If you want to make such comparisons then you would have to note that Carter also defeated an incumbent and thus by the logic you are using then Ford had to be a worse president than Carter. Is that true? I don't know and I don't really care. Both did a really tough job 40 years ago. The past isn't going to change.

[chadk66]

What would cure the liberals idea of Carter/Reagan is if we could bring back Carters economy.

[OTM Al]

What would cure the liberals idea of Carter/Reagan is if we could bring back Carters economy.
The one created by Johnson and Nixon?

[delayjf]

So what we need is an actor to feed us happy bs is what you are saying?

As opposed to a community organizer telling everyone - "Yes we can". Reagan came into office with more executive experience (Gov of CA) than Obama and Hillary combined. Hillary had no business being appointed as SOS - she had zero foreign policy experience. It was a pay off to get her to drop out of the election, and her lack of experience and poor judgment showed.

[rastajenk]

I think there was a little bit of Vito Corleone's advice in that Sec of State selection, too.

[ElKabong]

Each one of us looks at the world through his/her own private key-hole...and NONE of us gets a good view of what the "total picture" looks like. You lived in Texas when GWB was president...and you think he did a decent job. I lived in Illinois...and I thought he sucked. That's life...

When Bush was governor, Texas was able to recruit business from other states. Illinois was among the states we brought businesses in from

So I can see why you think he sucked. Your state government lost jobs because they refused to be more competitive. A lot of your former neighbors are now my neighbors.

Employed tax payers. It's what makes an economy. Some get it, some don't

[mostpost]

Reagan turned a truly bad economy around. He didn't have the luxury of having the Internet coming of age, creating a lot of great paying jobs. He steered the country in the right direction.
Let's take a closer look at that wonderful turn around. It really wasn't all that wonderful.

Unemployment? December 1976 the unemployment rate was 5.6%. It did not fall below that rate until April 1988; 88 months into the Reagan presidency. And those 88 months included more than a year with the unemployment rate over 10%.

The economy lost jobs in 19% of the months that Reagan was president as compared to 11% of the months Carter was president. Overall we gained 217,000 jobs a month under Reagan and 207,000 a month under Carter. Hardly a significant difference.

Average annual GDP growth under Reagan was only .2% higher than under Carter, while the national debt increased at the rate of $211,830,000,000 a year under Reagan. Compare that to $71,817,000,000 a year under Carter.

During the Carter years the lowest poverty rate was 15.9%; the highest was 18.3%. Under Reagan, the lowest poverty rate was 19.5; the highest 22.3%.

During the "terrible" Obama recovery, monthly job growth exceeded the Reagan Average (217,000) twenty eight times.

Basically you are , once again, full of beans

[reckless]

I think there was a little bit of Vito Corleone's advice in that Sec of State selection, too.

And you can add Lyndon Johnson's similar and sage advise when he said about a old foe getting a job in his Administration: 'It's better to have him inside my tent pissing out, than to have him outside my tent pissing in.'

[Tom]

During the "terrible" Obama recovery, monthly job growth exceeded the Reagan Average (217,000) twenty eight times.

And you got fries with each one of them.

[JustRalph]

And now there's talk that the FBI is also investigating the Trump campaign for ties to Russia. Hopefully also much ado about nothing. Of course he is also under investigation by the IRS as well as another high ranking follower being investigated by the Secret Service to determine if made threats against Mrs. Clinton's life. So we also seem to have a Trump crime family if we want to stick with this ridiculous line of reasoning.

Trump was cleared by the FBI in a statement yesterday. No ties to Russia.

In more news.....the FBI has five Clinton investigations still active

[ElKabong]

Let's take a closer look at that wonderful turn around. It really wasn't all that wonderful.

Unemployment? December 1976 the unemployment rate was 5.6%. It did not fall below that rate until April 1988; 88 months into the Reagan presidency. And those 88 months included more than a year with the unemployment rate over 10%.

The economy lost jobs in 19% of the months that Reagan was president as compared to 11% of the months Carter was president. Overall we gained 217,000 jobs a month under Reagan and 207,000 a month under Carter. Hardly a significant difference.

Average annual GDP growth under Reagan was only .2% higher than under Carter, while the national debt increased at the rate of $211,830,000,000 a year under Reagan. Compare that to $71,817,000,000 a year under Carter.

During the Carter years the lowest poverty rate was 15.9%; the highest was 18.3%. Under Reagan, the lowest poverty rate was 19.5; the highest 22.3%.

During the "terrible" Obama recovery, monthly job growth exceeded the Reagan Average (217,000) twenty eight times.

Basically you are , once again, full of beans

And you, are full of beans or some such.

Remember the "misery index" ? I'm sure you do. That was under the Carter administration.

If you're this elementary, that you post up spot play data to compare Carter - Reagan - 0bama, there is no need for a discussion. You're mindless and in the bag, as usual

Tell me again how well 0bamacare is working. That's 0bie's legacy. It's on its Ass

Ask anyone that survived the Carter years. Iran held us over the balcony by our ankles. Our pride as a nation was at an all time low. The economy tanked, real estate was dead in the water because interest rates on a mortgage was around 18 %. The country's morale was the lowest of my lifetime

Put the Kool aid and donuts down, hit the gym

[JustRalph]

The working-man gets screwed no matter WHO the president is. Which president can you recall who cared about you...and your family's future? The only ones who are guaranteed to "retire with a decent life"...are the politicians themselves.

In Reagans first term they shut the government down twice. The President promised the military through channels he would get the enlisted man paid despite the shut down. It was a frigging mess. It turned out that everybody with direct deposit, which was relatively new then, got paid. Reagan and Tip O'Neil got together and behind the scenes got the banks to pay us and take it out of the banks own pockets until the government came back online. The guys without direct deposit were able to get cash from the base credit unions etc until the politicians ended the shut down. We went two paychecks that way if I remember right. I was told by some very knowledgeable finance types on base that only two banks in the country said no.

[ReplayRandall]

In Reagans first term they shut the government down twice. The President promised the military through channels he would get the enlisted man paid despite the shut down. It was a frigging mess. It turned out that everybody with direct deposit, which was relatively new then, got paid. Reagan and Tip O'Neil got together and behind the scenes got the banks to pay us and take it out of the banks own pockets until the government came back online. The guys without direct deposit were able to get cash from the base credit unions etc until the politicians ended the shut down. We went two paychecks that way if I remember right. I was told by some very knowledgeable finance types on base that only two banks in the country said no.

Government civil contracted employees for the military, stationed overseas, were NOT given these options.....We had to wait it out, and so did our families and creditors.

[OTM Al]

Trump was cleared by the FBI in a statement yesterday. No ties to Russia.

In more news.....the FBI has five Clinton investigations still active
Cleared of direct ties but you might want to look into where he is getting financing these days...http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

Some of these issues were addressed, others were not. And he is cleared just like Mrs. Clinton was cleared. They have not stopped looking.

[EasyGoer89]

Trump was cleared by the FBI in a statement yesterday. No ties to Russia.

In more news.....the FBI has five Clinton investigations still active

Its the campaign of adults vs the campaign of babies. Very refreshing to see Dr Carson, Mike Pence and President Trump talking calmly, rationally and like adults today at a speech in Valley Forge, PA. Meanwhile, here's Hillary lying about her whereabouts on 9.11, and holding up the hand of a getaway car driver who threatened a judge's life. Maybe Hillary is out getting tanked at a local bar with her 'fans', i wouldnt put anything past her at this moment, 70 year old acting like a petulant child, a big baby.

Between Podesta, Huma, Weiner, Mook, Lynch, Brazile, Wasserman-Schultz and a few of the 'dismissed' operatives who were beating people up at Trump rallies this is SOME cast of characters, nobody in that group is 'easy to root for', what a clown show, bozo would be ashamed to be associated with these people.

[delayjf]

During the "terrible" Obama recovery, monthly job growth exceeded the Reagan Average (217,000) twenty eight times.

Not if you factor in population growth. (see the graph in the article.)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/04/obama-vs-reagan-big-government-socialism-proves-to-be-as-disastrous-as-expected/

Trickle Down Economics versus Trickle Down Socialism

Ronald Reagan’s economic plan saw GDP surge at a 3.5% clip – 4.9% after the recession. That’s a 32% bump.

During the Obama years, thanks to his big government policies, the US economy has stalled. Today the quarterly GDP was announced. The GDP for the first quarter of 2015 braked more sharply than expected at only a .2% pace. The US economy has grown an anemic 9.6% during the Obama years (excluding today’s dismal number).

Of course, Obama’s record on job growth is also much worse than President Reagan’s record.
obama reagan job growth

[Actor]

“And she’s a pathological liar, and she’s always been a liar. And God forbid if we put someone like that in the White House.”6:25 into the video.

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