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Whosonfirst
10-24-2016, 08:12 PM
Does anyone have a little book on handicapping by the Frank George? He was a cybernetics professor and psychologist from the UK. I used to have his book but lost it over the years. I think the title was Betting Thoroughbreds or Betting to Win or something like that. He did a lot of statistical analysis in it. It had some unique numerical methods to assign values for form, speed, class, and consistency. Also some pace stuff to narrow down the contenders. I hated losing that book and googling it has not turned it up for me. Thanks.

Jay Trotter
10-24-2016, 09:25 PM
Does anyone have a little book on handicapping by the Frank George? He was a cybernetics professor and psychologist from the UK. I used to have his book but lost it over the years. I think the title was Betting Thoroughbreds or Betting to Win or something like that. He did a lot of statistical analysis in it. It had some unique numerical methods to assign values for form, speed, class, and consistency. Also some pace stuff to narrow down the contenders. I hated losing that book and googling it has not turned it up for me. Thanks.

I believe I found two bits of info that might lead you down the right path:
LINK1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Honywill_George) LINK2 (https://books.google.ca/books?id=TsF9CAAAQBAJ&pg=PT342&lpg=PT342&dq=Frank+George+UK+handicapping+author&source=bl&ots=vbWAOExILx&sig=tNdbUkfQAQ22je-XhYGf1mLiCr0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjr-7_d1vTPAhWE64MKHTZ7B3IQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Frank%20George%20UK%20handicapping%20author&f=false)

kingfin66
10-25-2016, 12:03 AM
Wow, I don't remember the last time I saw you post here. Welcome back! :jump:

upthecreek
10-25-2016, 06:57 AM
http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac=sl&st=sl&ref=bf_s2_a1_t1_1&qi=HdP7zkn2RjXw6jv2aMMgAk6JGvo_1477389408_1:1113:2 668&bq=author%3Dfrank%2520george%26title%3Dbetter%2520 bet

Whosonfirst
10-25-2016, 07:49 AM
Thanks for everyone's help. Book is ordered.

jk3521
10-25-2016, 09:21 AM
This page might give some hints on his system....



https://books.google.com/books?id=TvpZy-gZHnYC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=a+better+bet+by+frank+george&source=bl&ots=lYnDf7ETM5&sig=YzzwJLFXWW6veY7Niy8403XgRtQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwic1Y2t-PXPAhWCVj4KHRlgBMUQ6AEIMzAG#v=onepage&q=a%20better%20bet%20by%20frank%20george&f=false

DeltaLover
10-25-2016, 09:37 AM
This page might give some hints on his system....



https://books.google.com/books?id=TvpZy-gZHnYC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=a+better+bet+by+frank+george&source=bl&ots=lYnDf7ETM5&sig=YzzwJLFXWW6veY7Niy8403XgRtQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwic1Y2t-PXPAhWCVj4KHRlgBMUQ6AEIMzAG#v=onepage&q=a%20better%20bet%20by%20frank%20george&f=false

Completely antiquated and useless approach which has absolutely no chance in today's game. Other than historical reasons, do not bother with this.

jk3521
10-25-2016, 09:40 AM
Completely antiquated and useless approach which has absolutely no chance in today's game. Other than historical reasons, do not bother with this.


I agree. A simpleton's way of handicapping if that's all there is to it.

lamboguy
10-25-2016, 10:01 AM
I believe I found two bits of info that might lead you down the right path:
LINK1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Honywill_George) LINK2 (https://books.google.ca/books?id=TsF9CAAAQBAJ&pg=PT342&lpg=PT342&dq=Frank+George+UK+handicapping+author&source=bl&ots=vbWAOExILx&sig=tNdbUkfQAQ22je-XhYGf1mLiCr0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjr-7_d1vTPAhWE64MKHTZ7B3IQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Frank%20George%20UK%20handicapping%20author&f=false)
just happen to have seen Gerry Cheevers a few days ago. his wife is in a fight with pancreatic cancer.

nice to see you here

reckless
10-25-2016, 05:41 PM
just happen to have seen Gerry Cheevers a few days ago. his wife is in a fight with pancreatic cancer.

nice to see you here

Ahh sorry to hear this. I met him a few times in the late 70s early-mid 80s. Two people I knew fairly well trained some horses for him in New York.

Whosonfirst
10-25-2016, 10:11 PM
I agree. A simpleton's way of handicapping if that's all there is to it.
Deltalover and jk3521, I owned the book and want it in my library for sentimental reasons. I don't want it for the basic programming that I might have had in soph year of college. I liked his concepts and remember most of what he did, which is not like much of anything around today. Maybe I am a simple guy and somewhat antiquated. However I do like to win, see link for how my methods did yesterday at Parx. Those were pre-race picks posted here. I could only stay for the first four. Have a good one.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134179

jk3521
10-26-2016, 09:53 AM
Deltalover and jk3521, I owned the book and want it in my library for sentimental reasons. I don't want it for the basic programming that I might have had in soph year of college. I liked his concepts and remember most of what he did, which is not like much of anything around today. Maybe I am a simple guy and somewhat antiquated. However I do like to win, see link for how my methods did yesterday at Parx. Those were pre-race picks posted here. I could only stay for the first four. Have a good one.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134179


Sorry. I was just going by the excerpts that were on Google . I'm sure there must be much more to his system than was in those excerpts.

Whosonfirst
10-31-2016, 10:14 PM
I received this book today by Frank George, and it does not disappoint. A great section on using all factors to handicap including pace. It also has a ton of info on probability as it relates to betting races. Will have to read those parts several times to relearn what I've probably forgot or didn't know.

appistappis
11-02-2016, 09:54 PM
just happen to have seen Gerry Cheevers a few days ago. his wife is in a fight with pancreatic cancer.

nice to see you here

thanks for that info....he usually plays the horses with us all summer and he wasnt here this year.