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Trijack
02-06-2002, 01:57 PM
Last week I said how I well I was doing with the Always Pro program. Here are the top 4 picks for wednesday at Santa Anita. Remember I only bet tri's and usually put 3 horses or less on top. Some races I show you who I would not put on top. By the way some days those I take out of top position win. One can't always be right.

1st 9-1-5-2 5 out of top position
2nd 4-6-1-5 not a good tri race
3rd 6-4-7-1 4 out of top position
4th Not enough races for profile
5th 1-9-3-4 not decided
6th 9-4-6-2 I would not put the 4 on top because he was a vet scratch on jan 17
7th 8-1-2-7 not decided
8th 2-9-4-5 not decided

Trijack
02-06-2002, 08:01 PM
Here is the results of my tri betting for wednesday.

1st bet 27.00 Won 27.10
2nd no bet
3rd bet 24.00 Won 0000
4th no bet
5th bet 24.00 Won 120.90
6th bet 36.00 Won 0000
7th bet 27.00 Won 0000
8th bet 36.00 Won 276.10

Total won 424.10
Total bet 174.00
Net 250.10

I know some of you will say this is redboarding but it is hard for me to pick my tri's until just before post time.

Trijack
02-07-2002, 02:55 PM
My picks for thursday at Santa Anita. After having a winning day yesterday probable have a losing day today. Hard to get 2 good days in a row.

1st. 5-2-4-1 no tri bet
2nd 2-5-3-1 no tri bet
3rd 8-4-3-5 take 3 from top, vet scratch on 1/16/02
4th. 1-7-5-2 take 5 from top, vet scratch on 1/16/02
5th 2-3-4-6 take 6 from top
6th 1-4-6-7 take 1 from top
7th 8-7-1-4 take 4 from top
8th 6-4-11-3 undecided

Trijack
02-07-2002, 10:37 PM
Ouch! Two horses that I took out of top 4 won, bad day

1. No bet
2. No bet
3. bet 32.00 Won 87.50
4. bet 36.00 Won 0000
5. bet 27.00 Won 0000
6. bet 36.00 Won 38.40 this was a 2.00 ticket
7. bet 24.00 Won 0000
8. bet 36.00 Won 0000

Bet 191.00
Won 125.90
Net -65.10

Today 6 of 8 races was won by 1 of top 4 picks.
Wednesday 5 of 7 races was won by 1 of top 4 picks.

PaceAdvantage
02-07-2002, 10:47 PM
Trijack

Thanks for doing this. If you feel so inclined, please post a couple more days of this stuff....


==PA

GR1@HTR
02-07-2002, 11:36 PM
Trijack,

Interesting post. Could you also show us how you ar betting the horses...For example..

12
1234
123456 and so on...

Thanks.

Trijack
02-08-2002, 02:59 PM
Always picks for friday at Santa Anita. Received Always Pro latest edition yesterday, will be tweeking my profiles in the next few days. Are there any other Always Pro users on this board?. Would like to converse with you in how you are using the programs.

1. 2-7-1-6 no bet
2. 1-3-2-4 no bet used default profile for this pick
3. 9-8-3-2 3 out of top position
4. 5-7-1-8 5-7 on top
5. 1-7-3-2 undecided
6. 4-10-8-1 1 out of top position
7. 3-5-6-2 no bet
8. 7-1-3-2 2 out of top position

Trijack
02-08-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Trijack
Always picks for friday at Santa Anita. Received Always Pro latest edition yesterday, will be tweeking my profiles in the next few days. Are there any other Always Pro users on this board?. Would like to converse with you in how you are using the programs.

1. 2-7-1-6 no bet
2. 1-3-2-4 no bet used default profile for this pick
3. 9-8-3-2 3 out of top position
4. 5-7-1-8 5-7 on top
5. 1-7-3-2 undecided
6. 4-10-8-1 1 out of top position
7. 3-5-6-2 no bet
8. 7-1-3-2 2 out of top position

Fridays results

1.no bet
2. no bet
3.bet 2-8-9/2-3-8-9/2-3-4-8-9 total 27.00 lost order of finish 3-1-4
4. 5-7/1-5-7-8/1-2-3-5-7-8 total 24.00
lost order of finish 4-1-5-3
5. 1-2-7/1-2-3-7/1-2-3-7-8 total 27.00 lost order of finish 2-4-1-7
6.4-8-10/1-2-4-8-10/1-2-4-8-10 total 27.00 order of finish 8-1-2-10 won 391.60
7. no bet
8. 1-3-7/1-2-3-7-8/1-2-3-7-8 total 36.00 lost order of finish 8-3-7-1

won 391.60
bet 141.00
net 250.60

PaceAdvantage
02-09-2002, 12:21 AM
Trijack,

I must have missed it....do you use the Pro version of AllWays?? If so, how do you go about creating your profiles or using the program in general?

Also, have you tested All-Ways at other tracks besides SoCal??


Thanks,


==PA

Trijack
02-09-2002, 11:05 AM
PA

In my first post on this thread I said I used Always Pro & on another thread I said I had bought it from a guy that posted last year he wanted to sale his & I had purchased it either in July or Aug last year. I had used the free version prior to that. I had accumulated a lot of files over the years & had backed them up. I am always building a faster computer and when I had built me a P3 650 I had reformated my hard drive and when I went to restore my back ups it did not work. The only files that I could recover was Del Mar. I July of last year I built a p4 1.7 but this time I did not lose anything, I made sure the backup would work before I reformated everything.

As far as how I make my profiles I run the iv values and start tweeking on the ones that work best. At the start of every week I redo most of my profiles if necessary. With the Pro version you can make profiles for place & show also but in my research I have found out that most of the horses in the money come from the class, speed & form reports with class being the best but form picks pay better when they come in. So I also have profiles on form, class & speed which help me to take out 1 pick from the top four( but those takeouts have bit me in the last 2 days with 3 of them winning) & for my other picks in my tri's..
Also when I do my form, class & speed profiles I usually include top iv from other reports such as late & combined, pace & paceline. I do whatever it takes to make the profile better. This does take a lot of time but this still is not a black box for picking automatic winners but to assist one in making the best decision on horses to bet
.
Yes I have tried Fairgrounds & Gulfstream Park. Worked just as well at those tracks but like I have said before it is hard for me to play more than 1 track at a time.

Trijack
02-09-2002, 03:22 PM
first 4 races, will post other 5 later. Had work to do for the wife, sound familiar.

1.4-2-7-5 out of top 5
2.8-4-3-6 out of top 4
3.6-4-3-1 out of top 3
4.4-5-8-9 no bet

Trijack
02-09-2002, 04:27 PM
5. 11-10-12-2 2 out of top position
6. 6-5-7-1 7 out of top position
7. 2-6-3-5 5 out of top position
8 5-3-1 no bet
9. 7-2-1-5 undecided, tough choice

Trijack
02-09-2002, 08:40 PM
Results for Always for sat at Santa Anita. AT least today no horse won that I removed from top position like the 2 previous days.

1. 4-2-7-5 finished 2-4-6 tri 2-4-7/2-4-5-7/2-4-5-6-7 bet 27.00 won 27.00
2. 8-4-3-6 " " 7-3-8-4 tri 36/3-4-6-7-8/3-4-6-7-8 bet 24.00
3. 6-4-3-1 finished 5-3-4 2.00 tri 4-6/1-3-4-6/1-2-3-4-6 bet 36.00 lost
4. 4-5-8-9 finished 8-9-1-7 no bet
5. 11-10-12-2 finished 12-11-1-7 tri 10-11-12/1-5-10-11-12 bet 36.00 won 295.60 in this race I took the 2 out of all 3 places.
6. 6-5-7-1 finished 10-6-5-3 tri 5-6/1-2-5-6-7/1-2-5-6-7 bet 24.00 lost
7. 2-6-3-5 finished 6-2-9-8 tri 2-6-9/2-3-5-6-9/2-3-5-6-9 bet 36.00 won 155.80
8. 5-3-1 finished 5-4-2-3 no bet
9. 7-2-1-5 finished 9-4-3-2 tri 5-7-9/1-2-5-7-9/1-2-5-7-9 lost In this race I took the 1 & 2 out of first and moved my 5th choice up to the top.

total won 442.40
total bet 219.00
net 222.40

Today 5 of 9 races in top 4
yesterday 5 of 7 one race I did not have profile for

cj
02-10-2002, 11:17 AM
How are we to believe you hit these tris when the numbers you posted as selections don't match the outcome, then you say you won? Example, the 1 ran third in the fifth yesterday, you never mentioned the 1, then we are supposed to take your word you hit it. Same scenario in the 7th. Please explain.

CJ

Trijack
02-10-2002, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by cjmilkowski
How are we to believe you hit these tris when the numbers you posted as selections don't match the outcome, then you say you won? Example, the 1 ran third in the fifth yesterday, you never mentioned the 1, then we are supposed to take your word you hit it. Same scenario in the 7th. Please explain.

CJ
Cj
Please refer to my post above to PA. 2nd paragraph last sentence. I never once said that I just use my tops picks in a tri, I said that I use my top picks to get the top 3 or less for my tri. How do you think I can come with a 36.00 bet just using 4 horses. I use other ways to bring in horses for my 2nd & 3rd picks. Some times I have a 48.00 bet but not to often. BTW that #1 that I used came up 3rd on another profile that I use for adding horse in 2nd & 3rd spot.

As you have probable noticed not too many of my top picks win, that is why with any computer program that you use, one should not just rely on the computer top picks. you have to use the skills you have learned over your life time of betting.
I first went to the race track in Michigan in the early 50's so that should tell you how long I have been following horse racing.

Whether you choose to believe my tri betting that is up to each individual. My main purpose was to list my top 4 picks to show you that with a lot of time put into a computer program one can up with the top 4 contenders most of the time whether using Always or any other computer program. According to most racing programs most of them claim they can come up with the top 4 contenders and I believe they can. But I have been using Always for some time now including the free Always program that I don't want to put in the time to learn another.

Now the reason that I bet tri's is I don't have to work hard to find 1 winner but to take 1 or 2 horses from my top 4 picks and hopefully I am left with the winner. Then it is up to me which horses I put in the next 2 positions. I don't know how much time you put into hdcp. I average 2 hrs a day just analyzing my profiles to see what kind of horses are winning. Things change day to day, week to week in why certain horses are winners. One has to keep upon the latest reasons I believe.

I am semi retired, preparing income taxes & being a former Real Estate Broker still do 1 or 2 transactions a year. You probable won't believe this either in the year 2000 I sold a 16 unit aparatment building that one of my tax clients owned to another one of my tax clients for $810.000 & made a 6% commission. Now until the middle of april I won't have as much time to hdcp.

As I said before I just received the new Always Pro & it has a lot of new things that I will have to learn. By the way that #1 that I used came up 3rd on another profile that I use to help me with the 2nd & 3rd spot horses for that kind of race. Also that 9 that I used in the 7th race was the 5th pick on my main profile & 2nd in one that I use for my 2nd & 3rd spots.

cj
02-10-2002, 01:14 PM
I wasn't saying I didn't believe you, that's why I said "Please explain." Your method seems to be winning, and I was going to try your picks if I could figure out how you bet from your posts.

Thanks
CJ

Trijack
02-10-2002, 03:27 PM
cj
No you cannot play my picks from my first four picks but maybe it would help ypu get the winner. Sorry I misinterpeted. A lot of work goes into coming up with the 2nd. & 3rd picks also. Today I am just posting my top 4 picks with no take outs from top position. I had take the wife shopping.

Sunday Picks at Santa Anita

1. 4-2-1-3
2. 6-2-5-9
3. 4-8-3-1
4. 8-1-2-4
5. 2-3-8-5
6. 1-8-2-6
7. 3-5-9-6
8. 5-8-4-2
9. 2-7-4-3

Trijack
02-11-2002, 03:04 PM
Sunday Santa Anita results. Not too good

Bet 7 tri's 228.00
Won 3 tri's 206.20
Totall -21.80


Total for week
Won 1398.10
Bet 953.00
Net 445.00

So for 2 days I was in the red, 3 days in the black.

Bet 34 tri's
Won 12
35%

Checked exacta's on all races I had a profile for and just considering the top 4 horses. Won 17 of 40 boxing all 4. 42.50%

Bet 960.00
Won 841.80
Net -121.80

Will check later on just boxing 3 horses after removing 1 horse from my top picks.

Winner in top 4 picks.
Races 40
won 32
80% winners in top 4 for the 5 days

1st pick 9 22.50% avg 7.09
2nd pick 8 20% avg 8.43
3rd pick 6 15% avg15.37
4th pick 9 22.50%avg 8.78


The horses that I took away from my top picks won 4 races out of 40 =10%.
one of those paid 38.40 to win but I did not have the 2nd place horse in that tri so would not have won it. Same day another one paid 9.20 and I did not have the 2nd place horse either.
Another one paid 13.20 and did not have 2nd place horse either.. The last horse on sunday paid 6.40 and I did not have the 2nd place horse in that race either. So I was lucky that the take out horses did not cost me a tri.

I like the stat on 10% horses that won on my take out from my top 4. That is easier than trying to figure out the top 3 winners.

Also from the exactas stat. I need to increase that % from 42.50 to at least 50%. Any one else got any suggestions on improving my tri bets let me know. This has been a lot work doing this for 5 days but I think it shows my take out from top 4 is my strongest stat.

Now if anyone else would like to post their top picks from a computer program for 5 days so we can compare please do

Trijack
02-17-2002, 08:33 PM
Although I did not post my Always picks for this week at Santa Anita, I thought some of you might be interested in my results. Sax had some terriable races to bet on wed and thrus mostly short fields. I had 3 losing days in a row but only had bet 11 races during that time and on saturday I had lost 5 straight bets until I hit the 8th race for 410.00 on a 48.00 bet. Came back in the 9th race with a win of 2071.00 on another 48.00 bet. Lost some tough races the first 3 days getting nosed out on a couple of them but that is horse racing. Now even if I had not hit that big one on saturday I would have lost only 201.00 for the week .

This week my % on top 4 dropped from 80% to 75% and I only hit 20% of my bets down from 35%. The way I have my betting set up I usually hit bigger tri's on the average but the last 2 weeks I have been hitting a lot of small ones.

I think what I wanted to make a point of is if one bets one way consistently it is possible to win.

Wed
4 tri bets 132.00
Won 1 123.00
Total -8.00

Thursday
2 tri bets 66.00
Won 00.00
Total -66.00

Friday
5 bets 152.00
Won 00.00
Total -152.00
Total -152.00

Sat.
7 bets 246.00
Won 2481.00
Total +2235.00

Sun.
7 bets 247.00
Won 98.00
Total -138.00

Total for week +1879.00