NJ to get Skilled Based Slots

[upthecreek]

Whatever the hell that is :lol:



http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-10-13/apnewsbreak-gambling-regulators-ok-skill-based-slots

[OTM Al]

Whatever the hell that is :lol:



http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-10-13/apnewsbreak-gambling-regulators-ok-skill-based-slots
Video poker

[Clocker]

Whatever the hell that is :lol:



http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-10-13/apnewsbreak-gambling-regulators-ok-skill-based-slots

It's video games played for money, designed for the younger crowd who find no-skill slots boring. Like first-person shooter games, where you have to kill X number of bad guys to win any money.

https://www.gamingtoday.com/articles/article/60072-Graboyes_betting_on_video_game_slot_machines (https://www.gamingtoday.com/articles/article/60072-Graboyes_betting_on_video_game_slot_machines)

[upthecreek]

Video poker
Video poker machines have been around a long time

[OTM Al]

Video poker machines have been around a long time
Several different kinds of these machines though from straight up VLTs to actual as close to you can get to random play. Some have been legal in certain places while others not so much. If they are foolish enough to make video games for money as Clocker indicates they are going to lose badly as there are some serious hard core gamers out there that would love nothing better than to get paid for their skills.

[Inner Dirt]

Video poker machines have been around a long time

Why do some casinos have video poker and some do not, is it state regulations? For the record at various times I have been to casinos in

California (only slot machines last went in late 90's)
New Mexico (Video poker and everything else 2011)
Nevada (Video poker and everything else 1980-2011)
West Virginia (Wheeling Island, slots only 2016)

[Clocker]

If they are foolish enough to make video games for money as Clocker indicates they are going to lose badly as there are some serious hard core gamers out there that would love nothing better than to get paid for their skills.

Those hard core gamers aren't playing against the house today. They didn't build all those giant tacky casinos in Vegas by designing beatable games. :p

[Clocker]

Why do some casinos have video poker and some do not, is it state regulations? For the record at various times I have been to casinos in

California (only slot machines last went in late 90's)
New Mexico (Video poker and everything else 2011)
Nevada (Video poker and everything else 1980-2011)
West Virginia (Wheeling Island, slots only 2016)

I'd guess that most casinos, especially outside of Vegas, find little demand for video poker. And with perfect strategy, a good player can eliminate the house edge. Again a guess, but very likely regular slots are much more profitable.

[OTM Al]

Those hard core gamers aren't playing against the house today. They didn't build all those giant tacky casinos in Vegas by designing beatable games. :p
No, because they know they can't win and they aren't "games" that interest them. Turning it into a real video game is a whole new reality though and they will crack it or quickly determine if the machines are fixed and then they will get quite outspoken. I don't foresee a win by casinos if they do this.

[OTM Al]

I'd guess that most casinos, especially outside of Vegas, find little demand for video poker. And with perfect strategy, a good player can eliminate the house edge. Again a guess, but very likely regular slots are much more profitable.
There are machine class regulations state to state that differ what is allowed. A true video poker machine is not allowed in NYS, but VLT versions are for instance.

[Inner Dirt]

Several different kinds of these machines though from straight up VLTs to actual as close to you can get to random play. Some have been legal in certain places while others not so much. If they are foolish enough to make video games for money as Clocker indicates they are going to lose badly as there are some serious hard core gamers out there that would love nothing better than to get paid for their skills.

I don't play them but I know a few younger people who I would call obsessed with video games. On the popular games that these guys will wait in line overnight to be the first to play it seems the common trait to success at playing is shared knowledge of the game and memorizing what happens. Once you have been to level 4 you know the ground squirrels are going to turn into T-rexs and eat you. So any easy way to defeat that would be for each playing of the game to produce a different scenario to come up against. My girlfriend's boys are big on video games and the more experienced one on a game will coach the least experienced.

[Inner Dirt]

I'd guess that most casinos, especially outside of Vegas, find little demand for video poker. And with perfect strategy, a good player can eliminate the house edge. Again a guess, but very likely regular slots are much more profitable.

I never kept records, but I seem to have an above average memory when it comes to gambling excursions. With video poker and I played quite a bit back in the day, I only noticed two things. All the royal straight flushes (highest paying hand) came on the deal, I never drew to one even though I aggressively tried. Also (mostly in Laughlin Neveada) typically a roll of nickels lasted way longer than the same count of dollars. It appeared the higher the denomination the higher the house edge.

[Clocker]

I never kept records, but I seem to have an above average memory when it comes to gambling excursions. With video poker and I played quite a bit back in the day, I only noticed two things. All the royal straight flushes (highest paying hand) came on the deal, I never drew to one even though I aggressively tried. Also (mostly in Laughlin Neveada) typically a roll of nickels lasted way longer than the same count of dollars. It appeared the higher the denomination the higher the house edge.

The law in Nevada, and in most places, is that the cards have to be "dealt" as randomly as they are in a real deck. How they check that, I don't know.

What most people don't know is that while two poker machines may look the same, they may actually have different odds. That is not a function of the "dealing" software, but of the payout odds on various hands. The payout schedule or table is prominently posted on the face of each machine.

I haven't played in many years, but the standard measure of odds for players who looked at such things was in terms of the payouts for a full house and a flush. If a machine pays 9 coins for a full house and 6 coins for a flush, it is a 9-6 machine. Tighter machines pay 8 coins for a full house and 5 for a flush, thus an 8-5 machine. So you can't compare your nickel machine with your dollar machine without knowing what the payout tables were. Even in one bank of quarter machines in a casino, some may pay better odds that others. But the law requires that it be posted.

This shows the payout schedule on a 9-6 machine for 1 through 5 coins. Some machines are set up to pay even more for the top end hands and less for the basic pairs or trips.

http://wizardofodds.com/play/video-poker/single-hand/thumbnail-large.png