CMPD Shooting Death of Keith Scott

[ReplayRandall]

CMPD partial released videos of Keith Scott shooting death. No conclusive proof of a gun, and no visual of the black officer who supposedly shot and killed Scott:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIAeJZ2FL_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCJbD_K3UZc

[Robert Fischer]

comment on video = like i said in the other thread - can't see this well enough , allegedly more unreleased video footage, would think there is something that shows a gun



comment on the 'black officer' issue = if the shooting officer actually wasn't black = that would be really weird and creepy.

IN GENERAL = the color of the officer is completely irrelevant at best, and at worst a red herring to confuse the ignorant.

Police are not racist. Anyone who says that Police are racist is either ignorant or a sociopath trying to incite ignorant people.

The issue whether police are disproportionately treating people of color and/or people of low-income as dangerous criminals and given carte blanche in their interactions with such citizens.
A black officer has exactly the same incentives as a white officer. The race of the officer is meaningless.

[Robert Fischer]

Brentley Vinson is named as the shooter, and although it's not apparent who does the shooting to me on any of the videos, he is there on the scene, on the cell phone video.

[horses4courses]

Police are not racist

Of course, the vast majority of them are not.
To say that it's anything close to 100% the case,
though, I would say you're in la-la land.

[JustRalph]

Lots to learn here

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103973781.html

Btw, everytime I get in the car to read a book, I put on my ankle holster 👍

[ReplayRandall]

comment on video = like i said in the other thread - can't see this well enough , allegedly more unreleased video footage, would think there is something that shows a gun



comment on the 'black officer' issue = if the shooting officer actually wasn't black = that would be really weird and creepy.

IN GENERAL = the color of the officer is completely irrelevant at best, and at worst a red herring to confuse the ignorant.

Police are not racist. Anyone who says that Police are racist is either ignorant or a sociopath trying to incite ignorant people.

The issue whether police are disproportionately treating people of color and/or people of low-income as dangerous criminals and given carte blanche in their interactions with such citizens.
A black officer has exactly the same incentives as a white officer. The race of the officer is meaningless.



Let me bring some clarity to the backdrop for the anger that exists from the black community in Charlotte.

Three years ago, we had a white officer who shot and killed a black man whose car had broken down, who then went pounding on doors for help. A woman called to say someone was trying to break in to her home. Officers responded, engaged the suspect, he tried to run at the officers and was shot and killed. The name of that man was Jonathan Ferrell, the officer's name was Randall Kerrick.....Here's the dash-cam from that encounter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjVtDNVOIDE

Fast forward to 2015, and we have the verdict given in this matter, declared a mistrial in the case of Charlotte-Mecklenburg police Officer Randall Kerrick after jurors failed to reach a verdict.

The family of Ferrell was awarded in a civil settlement the amount of $2.25 million, according to a letter sent to officers by CMPD Chief Rodney Monroe.
Monroe then subsequently retired just months later, the event finally calming down. At that time, it DID matter that Officer Kerrick was white and that he had killed an unarmed black man, according to the black community of Charlotte.

Now we have this tragedy, another shooting, another death of a black citizen by CMPD officers. But now, it doesn't matter the race of officer as it did in the Ferrell shooting. So, what is a person to think when viewing the just released videos, and seeing white officers engaged in the totality of the video, with no Officer Vinson, who is black, in sight......Are we sure that it was Officer Vinson who actually fired the bullets that killed Keith Scott? Why the stone-walling of releasing the videos, which caused the aftermath of protests, which turned into riots? Bottom-line, something ISN'T right, things just don't add up, the sequence of events are mistimed, and yet Charlotte is still being besieged by protestors and possible new violence, with no end in sight for a clear picture of what really happened.

So Robert, I hope I've shed a little light on the situation here in the city I live and love, Charlotte. BTW, all this is happening concurrently with HB2 transgender bathroom controversy and the revelations of wrong doing by Wells Fargo, which further hurts the image of Charlotte as a trusted banking/financial region. I realize you may not agree with my opinions, but I tried to bring up enough facts to support most of my viewpoint...

[Robert Fischer]

Of course, the vast majority of them are not.
To say that it's anything close to 100% the case,
though, I would say you're in la-la land.

Yea, like any segment of our population. Police, Teachers, Bank Tellers, Bus Drivers etc...

The point I'm making is that there are systemic incentives, not racism, behind the issues.

The narrative that cops are racists is misinformation.

[JustRalph]

Related article

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440361/police-shootings-black-white-media-narrative-population-difference

[Tom]

Lots to learn here

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103973781.html

Btw, everytime I get in the car to read a book, I put on my ankle holster 👍

Buckle up for safety, eh? :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

Related article

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440361/police-shootings-black-white-media-narrative-population-difference

Obviously the author is racist and bigoted. He uses the offensive term "criminal population" when every enlightened person knows that the proper terminology is "justice-involved population". :rolleyes:

By and large, police are having lethal interactions not with the nation’s total population but with its criminal population.

The elephant in the room, the fundamental to which we must never refer, is propensity toward criminality. It is simply a fact that blacks, and particularly young black men, engage in lawless conduct, very much including violent conduct, at rates (by percentage of population) significantly higher than do other racial or ethnic groups.

[Valuist]

There may be some issues at the Vikings/Panthers game:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17632326/protesters-hope-block-entrances-carolina-panthers-stadium

[RunForTheRoses]

Brutha reading in the car was probably learning all bout that Yellow Journalism and shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vGgHEzugrM

[Robert Fischer]

Unless there is more bodycam footage (perhaps an officer facing Scott, such as the shooter), that reveals that Scott was not holding a weapon, there is really no case against the shooter.

Justified use of lethal force (i want to say 'justified homicide', but I am ignorant to the terminology)


It's sad that the media and political groups like BLM intentionally lead the black communities into danger with these misinformation campaigns.
It's sad as well to people like me who are obsessive compulsive disorder about seeing through the BS and trying to actually make things better, that a case like this, or a case like Mike Brown is mucking up a case like the Tulsa case. And you have people rioting over these justified killings, which hurts their cause.

[JustRalph]

Last Tuesday

Keith Lamont Scott was shot. B/M Charlotte

There were other men killed by police that day. Did you hear about any of them in the national media?

All white:

Florida
http://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/crime/st-lucie-county/2016/09/20/port-st-lucie-man-shot-killed-after-standoff-deputies/90725022/

Colorado
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/man-shot-killed-by-police-identified/

Tennessee
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/20/state-police-deputies-fatally-shoot-man-in-west-tennessee.html

Connecticut
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/foxwoods-shooting-michael-goodale-fox-tower-garage-police/

Tennessee
http://smokeybarn.com/springfield-manhunt-suspect-sandy-duke-shot-by-metro-police/

[Greyfox]

Last Tuesday

Keith Lamont Scott was shot. B/M Charlotte

There were other men killed by police that day. Did you hear about any of them in the national media?

All white:

Florida
http://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/crime/st-lucie-county/2016/09/20/port-st-lucie-man-shot-killed-after-standoff-deputies/90725022/

Colorado
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/man-shot-killed-by-police-identified/

Tennessee
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/20/state-police-deputies-fatally-shoot-man-in-west-tennessee.html

Connecticut
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/09/22/foxwoods-shooting-michael-goodale-fox-tower-garage-police/

Tennessee
http://smokeybarn.com/springfield-manhunt-suspect-sandy-duke-shot-by-metro-police/

Obviously White Lives Don't Matter to the main stream media's agenda.

[Tom]

1 of 6 was Black.
That is 16%.
Blacks are 14% of the population.

Come on, now Ralph....it is blatantly obvious there is something going on.:rolleyes:

[Clocker]

Btw, everytime I get in the car to read a book, I put on my ankle holster 👍

Oops! Late last year, Scott's wife filed for a restraining order, saying he had threatened her with a gun. On the form she filled out, she checked the "Yes" box for the question asking if law enforcement officers should consider him a potential threat, writing in that he carried a 9mm.

http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2016/09/26/this-one-legal-document-destroys-the-keithlamontscott-narrative/

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Obviously White Lives Don't Matter to the main stream media's agenda.
In each of the stories the man who was shot had committed a crime and was being pursued by the police. All of them had pulled a weapon. I would think that any of us would agree that anyone, regardless of color, who was in a six hour armed standoff with police, or was fleeing a robbery scene and pulled a gun on the pursuing officers, or pointed a gun at an officer who was attempting to arrest him, and then got shot by the cops, was shot legitimately. If a person, regardless of color, is shot while unarmed and not acting in a threatening manner it's news and people are outraged. It's happened plenty of times when the person shot was white and the stories get out just like they did in Tulsa or Charlotte.

This isn't really about discrimination against white people. Black people, right or wrong, have believed for decades they they are targeted by police simply because they are black. There is hardly a black person in America who doesn't have a story about being stopped for driving while black. Watchin a video where an unarmed black man gets shot while not acting as a threat can certainly fuel the perception black people have. And even if it is only a perception, often perception represents reality for the perceiver.

If an unarmed person not posing a threat is shot by police, I'm outraged regardless of color. On the other hand if a person who has committed a crime is confronted by police, and then pulls a gun on them and gets shot, I'm thinking good job, again regardless of color.

Separate out the two issues because they are apples and oranges.

[woodtoo]

Pretty simple really. :ThmbUp:

[Greyfox]

If a person, regardless of color, is shot while unarmed and not acting in a threatening manner it's news and people are outraged. It's happened plenty of times when the person shot was white and the stories get out just like they did in Tulsa or Charlotte.

This isn't really about discrimination against white people.

It is about color.
The Main Stream Media knows that whites are unlikely to protest and riot.
The Main Stream Media wants viewership.
The Main Stream Media knows that covering the police shooting of a black person is likely to bring out protesters, some of whom may riot.
If that happens, audience ratings go up.
The Main Stream Media is aiding and abetting the criminals who are drawn to protest black deaths by police and therefore is contributing to racial strife in America.
It doesn't take a great deal of brains to see that.

[JustRalph]

http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/09/26/man-who-admits-to-fatal-shooting-during-charlotte-protests-is-arrested-is-not-a-white-cop/

Arrest in Charlotte protester murder

[horses4courses]

Sniper goes berserk in Just Ralph's neighborhood today.
Luckily, no one killed except the gunman.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/09/26/houston-police-gunman-killed-after-shooting-several-people/91108136/

White guy doing the shooting - Nazi stuff found on him.
Boring, ho hum, incident, I guess.

Where are my second by second updates, godammit???
It was just down the road from the ace PA-OTG disaster monitor.

No Muslims involved, I guess. :rolleyes:

[HalvOnHorseracing]

It is about color.
The Main Stream Media knows that whites are unlikely to protest and riot.
The Main Stream Media wants viewership.
The Main Stream Media knows that covering the police shooting of a black person is likely to bring out protesters, some of whom may riot.
If that happens, audience ratings go up.
The Main Stream Media is aiding and abetting the criminals who are drawn to protest black deaths by police and therefore is contributing to racial strife in America.
It doesn't take a great deal of brains to see that.
You have a jaundiced but intellectually unsurprising view of this issue. This quote The Main Stream Media is aiding and abetting the criminals who are drawn to protest black deaths by police and therefore is contributing to racial strife in America. underscores this, and the sad part is I have no doubt you actually believe it. I agree with you. It doesn't take a great deal of brains to say something like that.

[Tom]

Of course he is correct.
To believe the mains stream media is to be a fool.

[JustRalph]

Sniper goes berserk in Just Ralph's neighborhood today.
Luckily, no one killed except the gunman.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/09/26/houston-police-gunman-killed-after-shooting-several-people/91108136/

White guy doing the shooting - Nazi stuff found on him.
Boring, ho hum, incident, I guess.

Where are my second by second updates, godammit???
It was just down the road from the ace PA-OTG disaster monitor.

No Muslims involved, I guess. :rolleyes:

No, it was a pissed off lawyer who committed suicide by cop. No political motive. He was losing his law practice and decided to go out swinging. The Houston Police eliminated him, giving him his wish. Bravo to the police 👍

[ElKabong]

Oops! Late last year, Scott's wife filed for a restraining order, saying he had threatened her with a gun. On the form she filled out, she checked the "Yes" box for the question asking if law enforcement officers should consider him a potential threat, writing in that he carried a 9mm.

http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2016/09/26/this-one-legal-document-destroys-the-keithlamontscott-narrative/

"He better be alive" (repeated 100 times on cellphone after he was shot)

What an act. Just like the Minnesota shooting. Looking for a payday during a tragic event. Some culture, going on there.

[JustRalph]

Oops! Late last year, Scott's wife filed for a restraining order, saying he had threatened her with a gun. On the form she filled out, she checked the "Yes" box for the question asking if law enforcement officers should consider him a potential threat, writing in that he carried a 9mm.

http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2016/09/26/this-one-legal-document-destroys-the-keithlamontscott-narrative/

The lawyers for the family probably going to drop them now. Maybe not....who knows

[JustRalph]

Sniper goes berserk in Just Ralph's neighborhood today.
Luckily, no one killed except the gunman.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/09/26/houston-police-gunman-killed-after-shooting-several-people/91108136/

White guy doing the shooting - Nazi stuff found on him.
Boring, ho hum, incident, I guess.

Where are my second by second updates, godammit???
It was just down the road from the ace PA-OTG disaster monitor.

No Muslims involved, I guess. :rolleyes:

He also had civil war items and other historical pieces in his car. His house was full of it too according to TV news. His nationality is apparently Indian. A colleague is telling sources he was having money problems.

Btw, that's an hours drive from my house.......

[Tom]

Maybe if the main stream media had been all over it, we would have known earlier.

Early Monday, horsey.....not everyone sits at home watching TV...some of us have to work for two.

[Fager Fan]

In each of the stories the man who was shot had committed a crime and was being pursued by the police. All of them had pulled a weapon. I would think that any of us would agree that anyone, regardless of color, who was in a six hour armed standoff with police, or was fleeing a robbery scene and pulled a gun on the pursuing officers, or pointed a gun at an officer who was attempting to arrest him, and then got shot by the cops, was shot legitimately. If a person, regardless of color, is shot while unarmed and not acting in a threatening manner it's news and people are outraged. It's happened plenty of times when the person shot was white and the stories get out just like they did in Tulsa or Charlotte.

This isn't really about discrimination against white people. Black people, right or wrong, have believed for decades they they are targeted by police simply because they are black. There is hardly a black person in America who doesn't have a story about being stopped for driving while black. Watchin a video where an unarmed black man gets shot while not acting as a threat can certainly fuel the perception black people have. And even if it is only a perception, often perception represents reality for the perceiver.

If an unarmed person not posing a threat is shot by police, I'm outraged regardless of color. On the other hand if a person who has committed a crime is confronted by police, and then pulls a gun on them and gets shot, I'm thinking good job, again regardless of color.

Separate out the two issues because they are apples and oranges.

I refused to rent a house to a black woman once. Reason? No job, no source of income, and bad credit. Her reaction? That I was racist and that's why I wasn't renting to her, and she was going to turn me in to the housing authority. So I rented to her knowing full well what was going to happen. She never paid a dime after getting in there, and it took me 90 days after the first 30 days of nonpayment to get her out. But 4 months of lost rent and repairing the apartment was cheaper than having to get an attorney.

The point, if it's lost on anyone, is that perception isn't always reality, and some blacks use the race card to their advantage. So are blacks really pulled over for being black as often as they think, or do they have a defensive perception on it, or do they use the incident to their advantage? There is zero doubt that a significant percentage of "being pulled for being black" isn't reality.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

I refused to rent a house to a black woman once. Reason? No job, no source of income, and bad credit. Her reaction? That I was racist and that's why I wasn't renting to her, and she was going to turn me in to the housing authority. So I rented to her knowing full well what was going to happen. She never paid a dime after getting in there, and it took me 90 days after the first 30 days of nonpayment to get her out. But 4 months of lost rent and repairing the apartment was cheaper than having to get an attorney.

The point, if it's lost on anyone, is that perception isn't always reality, and some blacks use the race card to their advantage. So are blacks really pulled over for being black as often as they think, or do they have a defensive perception on it, or do they use the incident to their advantage? There is zero doubt that a significant percentage of "being pulled for being black" isn't reality.
I would have refused to rent to her. I would ask a couple of questions. Did you ever refuse to rent to a white person with no job, no source of income, and bad credit? If the answer is yes, you have a pretty strong case. Second, how many black people had you ever refused to rent to, and how many white people? If you had a pattern of not renting to black people maybe you had reason to worry. But if you based your decision on the economic factors for the most part you were on solid ground.

In your case, perception was reality. You perceived that it was better to rent to her, lose revenue and evict her than to hire an attorney. You perceived that the woman would use her race to force you to rent to her.

Frankly, I don't think either of us is in a strong position to argue that driving while black is real or a figment of their imagination. But the fact is that black people have whipped themselves into a frenzy about discrimination and whether or not it is grounded in perception, THAT is now a reality, and stuff like this reinforces it.

In a 2016 report, Vice News and a group from the Seton Hall Law School found that 70 percent of all police traffic stops in Bloomfield New Jersey were against black and Latino drivers even though 60 percent of the residents were white. According to Bloomfield's police director, Samuel A DeMaio, violations were 576 against Hispanics, 574 against blacks and 573 against whites from a recent period. In explaining why blacks and Hispanics had disproportionately more violations than whites, DeMaio said it was not racial profiling nor was it a case of blacks and Latinos being worse drivers. Rather it was because police were concentrated much more in "high-crime" areas, where blacks and Hispanics largely reside, rather than in low-crime areas where whites largely reside. Vice News noticed a heavy police presence in the "high-crime" area where police vigorously pursue misdemeanor violations using tactics such as tailing drivers until they make a mistake, or searching a stopped vehicle for violations that may be unrelated to the reason for the police stop. The Seton Hall group concluded the police were effectively raising revenue for the municipality from people living in or driving through the "high-crime" area

[Fager Fan]

I would have refused to rent to her. I would ask a couple of questions. Did you ever refuse to rent to a white person with no job, no source of income, and bad credit? If the answer is yes, you have a pretty strong case. Second, how many black people had you ever refused to rent to, and how many white people? If you had a pattern of not renting to black people maybe you had reason to worry. But if you based your decision on the economic factors for the most part you were on solid ground.

In your case, perception was reality. You perceived that it was better to rent to her, lose revenue and evict her than to hire an attorney. You perceived that the woman would use her race to force you to rent to her.

Frankly, I don't think either of us is in a strong position to argue that driving while black is real or a figment of their imagination. But the fact is that black people have whipped themselves into a frenzy about discrimination and whether or not it is grounded in perception, THAT is now a reality, and stuff like this reinforces it.

In a 2016 report, Vice News and a group from the Seton Hall Law School found that 70 percent of all police traffic stops in Bloomfield New Jersey were against black and Latino drivers even though 60 percent of the residents were white. According to Bloomfield's police director, Samuel A DeMaio, violations were 576 against Hispanics, 574 against blacks and 573 against whites from a recent period. In explaining why blacks and Hispanics had disproportionately more violations than whites, DeMaio said it was not racial profiling nor was it a case of blacks and Latinos being worse drivers. Rather it was because police were concentrated much more in "high-crime" areas, where blacks and Hispanics largely reside, rather than in low-crime areas where whites largely reside. Vice News noticed a heavy police presence in the "high-crime" area where police vigorously pursue misdemeanor violations using tactics such as tailing drivers until they make a mistake, or searching a stopped vehicle for violations that may be unrelated to the reason for the police stop. The Seton Hall group concluded the police were effectively raising revenue for the municipality from people living in or driving through the "high-crime" area

Solid ground that would've required paying a lawyer while she gets the free services of the housing authority.

Your quoted piece proves the point no one wants to talk about. I figured out while I was a kid that hanging around with the wrong people and in the wrong areas led to trouble. Some people insist on doing one or both and can't figure why cops and crime and other negatives surround them.

[JustRalph]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/special-reports/charlotte-shooting-protests/article104389076.html

Stolen gun sold to him.

[RunForTheRoses]

I would have refused to rent to her. I would ask a couple of questions. Did you ever refuse to rent to a white person with no job, no source of income, and bad credit? If the answer is yes, you have a pretty strong case. Second, how many black people had you ever refused to rent to, and how many white people? If you had a pattern of not renting to black people maybe you had reason to worry. But if you based your decision on the economic factors for the most part you were on solid ground.

In your case, perception was reality. You perceived that it was better to rent to her, lose revenue and evict her than to hire an attorney. You perceived that the woman would use her race to force you to rent to her.

Frankly, I don't think either of us is in a strong position to argue that driving while black is real or a figment of their imagination. But the fact is that black people have whipped themselves into a frenzy about discrimination and whether or not it is grounded in perception, THAT is now a reality, and stuff like this reinforces it.

In a 2016 report, Vice News and a group from the Seton Hall Law School found that 70 percent of all police traffic stops in Bloomfield New Jersey were against black and Latino drivers even though 60 percent of the residents were white. According to Bloomfield's police director, Samuel A DeMaio, violations were 576 against Hispanics, 574 against blacks and 573 against whites from a recent period. In explaining why blacks and Hispanics had disproportionately more violations than whites, DeMaio said it was not racial profiling nor was it a case of blacks and Latinos being worse drivers. Rather it was because police were concentrated much more in "high-crime" areas, where blacks and Hispanics largely reside, rather than in low-crime areas where whites largely reside. Vice News noticed a heavy police presence in the "high-crime" area where police vigorously pursue misdemeanor violations using tactics such as tailing drivers until they make a mistake, or searching a stopped vehicle for violations that may be unrelated to the reason for the police stop. The Seton Hall group concluded the police were effectively raising revenue for the municipality from people living in or driving through the "high-crime" area

That statistic is misleading as maybe 60% of Bloomfield residents are white we are talking about densely populated North Jersey where many of the neighboring towns are non white including nearby big city Newark.

[JustRalph]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/special-reports/charlotte-shooting-protests/article117921218.html

No charges for officer

[delayjf]

Solid ground that would've required paying a lawyer while she gets the free services of the housing authority.

Because I'm stubborn when I think I'm right, I would learn how to represent myself in cases like these. What's the fine if they rule against you? Or perhaps you should vet you potential tenants prior to meeting them.