Socialism

[JustRalph]

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/health/2016/09/16/stark-reality-socialist-venezuela-children-are-literally-dying-hunger/

Sad sad.....

[chadk66]

And the libtards want us to be just like Venezuela.

[barahona44]

And the libtards want us to be just like Venezuela.
Name one.

[Tom]

All of them.
They are just too delusional to admit their ideas will always fail.
Immunity to reality is their downfall.

[Greyfox]

Name one.

Bernie S.

[horses4courses]

The dictator set up that exists in Venezuela
would be modeled far more with Trump in power here.

That's what you want.....Mr. Team Player :lol:

[PhantomOnTour]

And the libtards want us to be just like Venezuela.
LIBTARDS...interesting choice of words.
I think I know what you're referencing, but could you explain that term to me a little more in detail?

[chadk66]

Name one.they beat me to it:D

[chadk66]

LIBTARDS...interesting choice of words.
I think I know what you're referencing, but could you explain that term to me a little more in detail?I can't talk that slow

[PhantomOnTour]

I can't talk that slow
Ah yes, what a classy way of speaking.
Invoking a derivation of the offensive and juvenile term RETARD.

I would expect nothing less from a very frustrated lot.

[newtothegame]

Ah yes, what a classy way of speaking.
Invoking a derivation of the offensive and juvenile term RETARD.

I would expect nothing less from a very frustrated lot.


I guess the "lot" of us are as you would suggest.. Seems Hillary was speaking for the "lot" of you all when she called the lot of us "deplorable" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[PhantomOnTour]

I guess the "lot" of us are as you would suggest.. Seems Hillary was speaking for the "lot" of you all when she called the lot of us "deplorable" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Please point out where I've posted my support for Hillary and maybe you won't look like exactly what i said you folks are...VERY FRUSTRATED and crying like babies for eight...long...years...

"Well, if he doesn't like Republicans he must be a Liberal"... :D ...that's the type of critical thinking that has gotten your party where it is today.

[newtothegame]

Please point out where I've posted my support for Hillary and maybe you won't look like exactly what i said you folks are...VERY FRUSTRATED and crying like babies for eight...long...years...

"Well, if he doesn't like Republicans he must be a Liberal"... :D ...that's the type of critical thinking that has gotten your party where it is today.
Where did I say YOU supported Hillary??? So again, what I said stands! You generalize and place everyone you THINK believes on way into a "lot". When the reality is you don't know shit from shinola about one person from the next.
However, I will gladly be lumped in with the "folks" you claim are "frustrated".
You don't have to say whether you support or don't support Hillary (or Obama for that matter). Your words say it for you. Notice your reference to how us "folks" have been crying for "eight...long...years...". Gee, lets see who has been president during that term....hmmm any guesses??? So if us "folks" and the "lot" of us have been whining and crying (this would suggest you have been a good little soldier during that time). Yeah, enough said.....go along like a good little soldier and blame us "folks" and the "lot" of us for speaking out!

[PhantomOnTour]

Where did I say YOU supported Hillary??? So again, what I said stands! You generalize and place everyone you THINK believes on way into a "lot". When the reality is you don't know shit from shinola about one person from the next.
However, I will gladly be lumped in with the "folks" you claim are "frustrated".
You don't have to say whether you support or don't support Hillary (or Obama for that matter). Your words say it for you. Notice your reference to how us "folks" have been crying for "eight...long...years...". Gee, lets see who has been president during that term....hmmm any guesses??? So if us "folks" and the "lot" of us have been whining and crying (this would suggest you have been a good little soldier during that time). Yeah, enough said.....go along like a good little soldier and blame us "folks" and the "lot" of us for speaking out!
You said Hillary speaks for me - that implies i support her.
The angry "lot" I speak of is the large group on this board who've been acting like whiny titty babies for 8yrs (and that includes you). I'm not lumping anyone into a group...you've identified yourselves by crying for 8yrs, it wasn't a generalization.

I'm neither a liberal nor conservative - I won't be voting for Donald or Hillary.

[Greyfox]

The angry "lot" I speak of is the large group on this board who've been acting like whiny titty babies for 8yrs (and that includes you). I'm not lumping anyone into a group...you've identified yourselves by crying for 8yrs, it wasn't a generalization.


Your last few posts in this thread suggest that you are trying to join the group you speak of. :D

[MutuelClerk]

Someday you guys will realize both sides suck and stop defending them. I look forward to that day. Of course newborns will have grey hair and be doing the same thing. Blame the libs. Blame Fox. Blame yourselves....

[newtothegame]

You said Hillary speaks for me - that implies i support her.
The angry "lot" I speak of is the large group on this board who've been acting like whiny titty babies for 8yrs (and that includes you). I'm not lumping anyone into a group...you've identified yourselves by crying for 8yrs, it wasn't a generalization.

I'm neither a liberal nor conservative - I won't be voting for Donald or Hillary.

Why yessmm massa....please forgive us poor "folks" for speaking out....
Weeees wassnn trying to caus no troublesss.....

Its nice to see you've become the entity to keeps us little peoples in check. I promise not to speak out against the powers that be any more.....:)

[newtothegame]

Someday you guys will realize both sides suck and stop defending them. I look forward to that day. Of course newborns will have grey hair and be doing the same thing. Blame the libs. Blame Fox. Blame yourselves....

Youre right mutual. And I am only replying to you as it would appear your post was somewhat directed at myself as well. I KNOW both sides are to blame and have said as much here several times. I know WE (myself included) are to blame as we are the ones who have accepted their BS for years upon years now.
All the more reason why I am also stepping up and speaking out against ALL the buttheads in Washington. The whole "lot" (Can I say that Phantom???), needs to go!!

[VigorsTheGrey]

Some believe there are links between the French Revolution and the Russian Revolutions....Equality is the chief desired outcome...Socialism enforces this ideal of political and economic equality with a religious-like fervor and often political brutality for nonconformity.... Thou wilt be equal...or else....

[rastajenk]

Equally miserable, that is.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Some believe there are links between the French Revolution and the Russian Revolutions....Equality is the chief desired outcome...Socialism enforces this ideal of political and economic equality with a religious-like fervor and often political brutality for nonconformity.... Thou wilt be equal...or else....

So you see then that the ideal of the United States was founded on an intensely socialistic ideal....

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed."

[rastajenk]

It's that last clause that rarely gets implemented in socialist enterprises.

[Tom]

And the first part had nothing to do with re-distribution of wealth.

[Clocker]

So you see then that the ideal of the United States was founded on an intensely socialistic ideal....

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,deriving their just powers from the consent of the
governed."

This country was founded on the rights of the individual. That quote does not even suggest socialism. It says that all men have the same rights, and that government exists to protect the rights of the individual.

A major battle in getting the Constitution ratified was a fear many had of creating a large and active federal government. One of the compromises was the Bill of Rights, to protect the rights and property of citizens from the government. Strong protection of human rights is antithetical to socialism.

[Tom]

The colonists went to war with Britain over a stinking tax.
A small one, at that.

What do you think they say today if they saw the ridiculous taxes we are paying?

[johnhannibalsmith]

The colonists went to war with Britain over a stinking tax.
A small one, at that.

What do you think they say today if they saw the ridiculous taxes we are paying?

"SMH OMG LOL"

[VigorsTheGrey]

This country was founded on the rights of the individual. That quote does not even suggest socialism. It says that all men have the same rights, and that government exists to protect the rights of the individual.

A major battle in getting the Constitution ratified was a fear many had of creating a large and active federal government. One of the compromises was the Bill of Rights, to protect the rights and property of citizens from the government. Strong protection of human rights is antithetical to socialism.

The operative word here is "We" as in "We hold these truths to be..." And "We" as in "We the people"...

The isolated individual can do very little on his own....this has become increasingly the case as time marches on....we had to bind together in order to shuffle off the Royal coil around us, hence the image of the fasces in Congress room....this binding together is what makes the United States a project in Socialism...at root it is a secular ideal at odds with the former authority vested in Cross and Crown...a political and social project of Enlightenment philosophy and a coterie of political operatives empowered to bring about a new world order by politically deposing and divesting old world royalty and the religious authority that lendt legitimacy to Royal Power schemes....

It was this change in Philosophy to Enlightenment thinking and the social binding of the colonists together, and the bonding that occurred as a result that served as touchstone for this newer social experiment we now live under....

[Clocker]

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The isolated individual can do very little on his own....this has become increasingly the case as time marches on....we had to bind together in order to shuffle off the Royal coil around us, hence the image of the fasces in Congress room....this binding together is what makes the United States a project in Socialism

I think maybe you don't understand what socialism means.

socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Where do you see any principles in the American Revolution or the original US Constitution advocating that the community as a whole, i.e., the government, should own or regulate the means of production?

[VigorsTheGrey]

I think maybe you don't understand what socialism means.



Where do you see any principles in the American Revolution or the original US Constitution advocating that the community as a whole, i.e., the government, should own or regulate the means of production?

Yes, I have read the quote, but I include the production, distribution, and exchange of political and ideological content in that heading as well, which must be continually fabricated and adjusted to meet the changing needs of a dynamic population that for the most part exists as a social swarm...it is only natural that political and ideological content should be owned and regulated by the community as a whole...that is exactly what we do by collectively enshrining our code in a constituition.....in lieu of the community, whom would you have perform the ownership and regulation....? The individual? The isolated individual? The individual in the form of prince or pope?

[Clocker]

the production, distribution, and exchange of political and ideological content

I don't know what that means, and whatever it is, I doubt the Founders thought it was a duty of the federal government.

To get back to the previous question, where in the founding of the country is there any idea of the government controlling and distributing production?


dynamic population that for the most part exists as a social swarm...

So you are saying that Americans have been assimilated and resistance is futile. :rolleyes:

[Tom]

we had to bind together in order to shuffle off the Royal coil around us, hence the image of the fasces in Congress room....this binding together is what makes the United States a project in Socialism

Not at all.
What drove us, what made us keep going, was not socialism, but CAPITALISM.

If we had gone the socialist route, we would still be riding buckboards and toting muskets.

Capitalism - greed - is what built this country and the world.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Not at all.
What drove us, what made us keep going, was not socialism, but CAPITALISM.

If we had gone the socialist route, we would still be riding buckboards and toting muskets.

Capitalism - greed - is what built this country and the world.

We are all interdependent upon one another. There is no Capitalism without markets and no markets without thriving social milieus....which comes first? The social milieu or the market? Markets respond to the needs of social agents... Greed becomes possible only in an environment of social and wealth, abundance....marketers thrive on populations of persons, on societies...greed is a psychological factor....but is overrated as a culture driver. Our desires for social settings and other emotional factors related to human interaction are much more important...life will go on without the USSR, without the USA. There is a way beyond pure communism, beyond pure capitalism.....but I think I really do not understand the point you are conveying?

[Tom]

The Movers and Shakers in our history made the markets.
It was capitalism that drove Standard Oil to come up with the pipeline, too get around collusion by the railroads.

Social ism would never have gone beyond the railroads.

[chadk66]

The Movers and Shakers in our history made the markets.
It was capitalism that drove Standard Oil to come up with the pipeline, too get around collusion by the railroads.

Social ism would never have gone beyond the railroads.exactly. those that don't understand the difference in the two are what's wrong with this country today.

[Tom]

Andrew Carnegie was looking for $$$$ when he took the steel industry into orbit.

No damn socialist is every going to take risks like that.

[Clocker]

Andrew Carnegie was looking for $$$$ when he took the steel industry into orbit.



He didn't build that.

This country was founded by farmers and merchants. The last thing such people would want would be government mucking around with what they did and how they did it. Another reason for the revolution was the British telling Americans where they could import from or export to. That's not about socialism, that's about individual freedom.

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

Name one.

Bernie Sanders.

[AndyC]

We are all interdependent upon one another. There is no Capitalism without markets and no markets without thriving social milieus....which comes first? The social milieu or the market? Markets respond to the needs of social agents... Greed becomes possible only in an environment of social and wealth, abundance....marketers thrive on populations of persons, on societies...greed is a psychological factor....but is overrated as a culture driver. Our desires for social settings and other emotional factors related to human interaction are much more important...life will go on without the USSR, without the USA. There is a way beyond pure communism, beyond pure capitalism.....but I think I really do not understand the point you are conveying?

Doesn't just about everybody act "greedy" to a certain extent? People try to maximize what they can earn and what they can buy. Greed is always possible. What keeps greed in check is the marketplace. A company can't sell widgets at an exorbitant price if 20 other companies sell them for less. The government often creates conditions that allows greed to override the marketplace.