MOHAWK RACEWAY - THURS 8/4 - R4 - R10

[Nitro]

I thought i might try some harness tonight.

GL if you're playing!

[Nitro]

R#4 - 6-4 W/ 8-2-7 @ 3mins to post

[Nitro]

R#4 - 6-4 W/ 8-2-7 @ 3mins to post
Results:

R #4 = 7-6-4-1 - – EX & TRI BX

$2.00 EXACTA – 7-6 - $39.10
$2.00 TRIFECTA – 7-6-4 - $100.10

[Nitro]

R#5 – 10-1 W/ 5-2-6 @ 3mins to post

[Nitro]

R#5 – 10-1 W/ 5-2-6 @ 3mins to post
Results:

R #5 = 10-6-2-8 - WIN – EX & TRI BX :ThmbUp:

$2.00 WIN – 10 - $5.60
$2.00 EXACTA – 10-6 - $20.40
$2.00 TRIFECTA – 10-6-2 - $327.00

[Nitro]

R#6 – 5-4 W/ 2-3-7 @ 3mins to post

[Nitro]

R#6 – 5-4 W/ 2-3-7 @ 3mins to post
Results:

R #6 = 3-4-5-2 - EX - TRI & SUPER BX :ThmbUp:

$2.00 EXACTA – 3-4 - $29.90
$2.00 TRIFECTA – 3-4-5 - $69.40
$2.00 SUPER – 3-4-5-2 - $292.40

[Nitro]

R#7 - 5-8 W/ 3-2-9 @ 3mins to post

[Nitro]

R#7 - 5-8 W/ 3-2-9 @ 3mins to post
Results:

R #7 = 2-9-7-3 - Nothing in that one – both Keys failed :ThmbDown:

[Nitro]

R#8 - 7-4 W/ 8-6 @ 3mins to post

[Nitro]

R#8 - 7-4 W/ 8-6 @ 3mins to post
Results:

R #8 = 4-3-2-7 - WIN - No clues on the LS Placer

$2.00 WIN – 4 - $3.80

[Nitro]

R#9 – 6-3 W/ 7-5-9 @ 3mins to post

[Nitro]

R#9 – 6-3 W/ 7-5-9 @ 3mins to post
Results:

R #9 = 6-3-5-8 - WIN – EX Cold & TRI

$2.00 WIN – 6 - $10.40
$2.00 EXACTA – 6-3 - $24.80
$2.00 TRIFECTA – 6-3-5 - $104.30

[Nitro]

R#10 - 5-9 W/ 4-6-10 @ 3mins to post

[Nitro]

R#10 - 5-9 W/ 4-6-10 @ 3mins to post
Results:

R #10 = 4-8-2-1-5 - Nothing in that one – both Keys failed

[Sea Biscuit]

R#4 - 6-4 W/ 8-2-7 @ 3mins to post

Finished 7-6-4-1

The only way you could have hit the ex and tri was by boxing all the 5 horses.

Is that how you were playing Sir?

[EdZone]

R#6 – 5-4 W/ 2-3-7 @ 3mins to post

Results:
R #6 = 3-4-5-2 - EX - TRI & SUPER BX :ThmbUp:

$2.00 EXACTA – 3-4 - $29.90
$2.00 TRIFECTA – 3-4-5 - $69.40
$2.00 SUPER – 3-4-5-2 - $292.40

He did say box everything (EX - TRI & SUPER BX) after the race with the results.

[Nitro]

Finished 7-6-4-1

The only way you could have hit the ex and tri was by boxing all the 5 horses.

Is that how you were playing Sir?
You certainly don't have to box all 5 entries when you're using 2 top choices as KEYS! As long as the one of the Keys is there the exotic is hit. If they're both in the money and you played them both you hit it 2X!

[EdZone]

$2 Exacta 5 horses box = $40

$2 Trifecta 5 horses box = $120

$2 Superfecta 5 horses box = $240

Total bet per race = $400

[Nitro]

$2 Exacta 5 horses box = $40

$2 Trifecta 5 horses box = $120

$2 Superfecta 5 horses box = $240

Total bet per race = $400
Correct if that's what you're doing.

Not when you're Keying 1 or 2 entries!

[EdZone]

R#6 – 5-4 W/ 2-3-7 @ 3mins to post

How do you manage to win when the results is 3-4-5-2 if not box?

You key 5 and 4 but the 3 win

[lamboguy]

How do you manage to win when the results is 3-4-5-2 if not box?

You key 5 and 4 but the 3 win
i think what Nitro is trying to say is that he can find many live numbers in a race with 2 of the numbers being more live than the rest. so in essence he is not afraid to take bigger spreads to races because he will hit a larger than normal amount of multiple combinations to overcome the small amount of times that he has total losses.

after watching him operate in Hong Kong it seems that he is right, at least over there. i don't pay to much attention to his harness and North American spreads, so i really can't speak for them.

[Nitro]

How do you manage to win when the results is 3-4-5-2 if not box?

You key 5 and 4 but the 3 winResults:
R #6 = 3-4-5-2 - EX - TRI & SUPER BX :ThmbUp:
$2.00 EXACTA – 3-4 - $29.90
$2.00 TRIFECTA – 3-4-5 - $69.40
$2.00 SUPER – 3-4-5-2 - $292.40


Come on guys this is Elementary Betting Structures 101!

For Super W/ 1 Key
5/4-2-3-7/4-3-2-7/4-3-2-7 – 24 bets
4-2-3-7/5/4-3-2-7/4-3-2-7 – 24 bets
4-2-3-7/4-3-2-7/5/4-3-2-7 – 24 bets
Total – 72 bets = $144.00 bet
Return: $292.40 – Profit $148.40

For Super W/ 2nd Key included
4/5-2-3-7/5-3-2-7/5-3-2-7 – 24 bets
5-2-3-7/4/5-3-2-7/5-3-2-7 – 24 bets
5-2-3-7/5-3-2-7/4/5-3-2-7 – 24 bets
Total – 72 bets X 2 = $288.00 bet
Return: $584.80 – Profit $296.80
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[EdZone]

Come on you bet $1 Key super but your results is $2 super that paid $292.40

$1 SUPERFECTA (3-4-5-2) paid $146.20

[Nitro]

Come on you bet $1 Key super but your results is $2 super that paid $292.40

$1 SUPERFECTA (3-4-5-2) paid $146.20
Its no wonder you have a problem!

My math says 72 bets @ $2/EA = $144.00

What math are you using?

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[Nitro]

i think what Nitro is trying to say is that he can find many live numbers in a race with 2 of the numbers being more live than the rest. so in essence he is not afraid to take bigger spreads to races because he will hit a larger than normal amount of multiple combinations to overcome the small amount of times that he has total losses.

after watching him operate in Hong Kong it seems that he is right, at least over there. i don't pay to much attention to his harness and North American spreads, so i really can't speak for them.
You’re dam straight I’m right! It make no difference which tracks you're betting.
The problem around here (Thoroughbred Selection forum too) is that people don’t know how to use 2 Key selections with others and structure their bets accordingly. I’m constantly explaining these betting basics. Apparently my previous suggestions to those having problems with reading up on betting exotics seem to be reaching “deaf ears” or should I say “blind eyes”. :bang:
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[EdZone]

Its no wonder you have a problem!

My math says 72 bets @ $2/EA = $144.00

What math are you using?

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You didn't explain anything with your post how you bet beside 2 key.
I am using math that you hit once. Didn't notice you hit twice.

[Nitro]

You didn't explain anything with your post how you bet beside 2 key.
I am using math that you hit once. Didn't notice you hit twice.


All I can say buddy is that if you can’t understand the simple breakdown that I provided above (which as far as I’m concerned doesn’t need any explanation) you’ve got some serious comprehension problems. Your math needs some work too! Please do me a favor and put me on your ignore list.

[castaway01]

All I can say buddy is that if you can’t understand the simple breakdown that I provided above (which as far as I’m concerned doesn’t need any explanation) you’ve got some serious comprehension problems. Your math needs some work too! Please do me a favor and put me on your ignore list.

Nitro, as usual, is like school when it's not in session---no class. Wish you'd just move to Hong Kong and be a prick over there.

[Nitro]

Nitro, as usual, is like school when it's not in session---no class. Wish you'd just move to Hong Kong and be a prick over there.
I guess you don't get IT either! Another vote for the knuckleheads.
Good for you Castaway. You guys deserve each other!

[EdZone]

All I can say buddy is that if you can’t understand the simple breakdown that I provided above (which as far as I’m concerned doesn’t need any explanation) you’ve got some serious comprehension problems. Your math needs some work too! Please do me a favor and put me on your ignore list.
How do you expect ppl to understand the way you bet if you didn't include in your selections. I'll do the math for you.

You didn't read the above.

$2 Win 2 key horses = $4
$2 Exacta box 5 horses = $40
$2 Trifecta 5/4/237 = $6
$2 Trifecta 4/5/237 = $6
$2 Trifecta 237/5/4 = $6

$2 Trifecta 4/5/237 = $6
$2 Trifecta 5/4/237 = $6
$2 Trifecta 237/5/4 = $6

$2 Super 5/4-2-3-7/4-3-2-7/4-3-2-7 = $48
$2 Super 4-2-3-7/5/4-3-2-7/4-3-2-7 = $48
$2 Super 4-2-3-7/4-3-2-7/5/4-3-2-7 = $48

$2 Super 4/5-2-3-7/5-3-2-7/5-3-2-7 = $48
$2 Super 5-2-3-7/4/5-3-2-7/5-3-2-7 = $48
$2 Super 5-2-3-7/5-3-2-7/4/5-3-2-7 = $48

Total $356 per race times 7 races (race 4 to 9) = $2,492

You bet 7 races and I add them up your profits for you.
$39.10
$100.10
$20.40
$327.00
$29.90
$69.40
$292.40
$3.80
$10.40
$24.80
$104.30
Total bets: $1021.60, even if say you bet 2 times, you still lose.

You'll be lucky to hit 2 or less super within 7 races.

Keep your Elementary Betting Structures 101 to yourself!

What a loser!

[Nitro]

How do you expect ppl to understand the way you bet if you didn't include in your selections. I'll do the math for you.

You didn't read the above.

You'll be lucky to hit 2 or less super within 7 races.

Keep your Elementary Betting Structures 101 to yourself!

What a loser!
I wouldn’t expect anyone to know how I bet, but I would certainly expect some to know how to Key entries when playing any form of exotic bet. First we were discussing that in a single race. Now you’re attempting to downplay all of the selections I posted for Mohawk by making impractical assumptions about how I bet these selections. Is this how you waste your time?

So, you think you have it all figured out? You must be a psychic too! Right!?
Yes, I did post ALL of my selections. But where did I indicate which races I actually played and how I played them? In case you’ve forgotten this is a SELECTION forum, not a betting forum. I have no intention of telling anyone how I bet or how they should bet. Half the battle is trying to find decent selections, and perhaps sharing them. Maybe even playing them if they present some value.

The results I posted were the various potential payout results, had anyone used those selections in a manner of wagering that they chose. Sorry to once again burst your bubble, especially after all that effort you put in trying to denigrate my selections! Nice try! But your little envious rant means as much to me as a fly on a horse’s ass. My only purpose for even responding to this nonsense is to expose your obvious short-sightedness.
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[traynor]

One would do well to understand that the motivation for posting such "selections" is the desire of a lonely person for attention, and has little or nothing to do with horse racing.

Like the "naughty-child-syndrome" that any Psy101 well understands (as does any parent) if positive attention is not forthcoming, negative attention will be sought with equal or greater vigor. The more attention is given, the more the "naughty child" feels rewarded for his or her efforts. If that attention is to the strategies used to elicit a negative response, the "naughty child" is essentially trained to be a jerk. Like Pavlov's dogs, the actions are thoroughly ingrained until they become habitual. An automatic response to the desire for attention.

The obvious giveaway is the "I don't care what you think" disclaimer. On the surface, it may seem (including to the "naughty child") that it is true. Beneath that surface is the tagline, ", as long as you think SOMETHING about me" (because he or she desperately needs your attention).

If you think the OP has anything worthwhile to offer, a bit of extinction for naughty behavior, coupled with positive reinforcement for useful behavior (if any) may be useful as long as it is honest. Meaning, a cyber pat on the head and "you done good" should be used when circumstances warrant, and such attention rewards withheld when they don't.

[Nitro]

One would do well to understand that the motivation for posting such "selections" is the desire of a lonely person for attention, and has little or nothing to do with horse racing.

Like the "naughty-child-syndrome" that any Psy101 well understands (as does any parent) if positive attention is not forthcoming, negative attention will be sought with equal or greater vigor. The more attention is given, the more the "naughty child" feels rewarded for his or her efforts. If that attention is to the strategies used to elicit a negative response, the "naughty child" is essentially trained to be a jerk. Like Pavlov's dogs, the actions are thoroughly ingrained until they become habitual. An automatic response to the desire for attention.

The obvious giveaway is the "I don't care what you think" disclaimer. On the surface, it may seem (including to the "naughty child") that it is true. Beneath that surface is the tagline, ", as long as you think SOMETHING about me" (because he or she desperately needs your attention).

If you think the OP has anything worthwhile to offer, a bit of extinction for naughty behavior, coupled with positive reinforcement for useful behavior (if any) may be useful as long as it is honest. Meaning, a cyber pat on the head and "you done good" should be used when circumstances warrant, and such attention rewards withheld when they don't.So now I get it, but it appears that you don’t! Your pretentious assessment of our involvement here on PA is pathetic. It sure sounds like an excuse for not wanting to share the culmination of all the philosophical drivel you’ve been cleverly posting for years. You certainly talk a good game, but the bottom line is if you can’t apply those views to the realities of the game then as far as I’m concerned you’re just blowing smoke.

In case you missed it, there’s a Selection forum on PA. Apparently you still haven’t figured out why it exists or the purpose it fulfills. That’s ironic because the little phrase under the Selection forum title offers a very concise and pointed explanation: “Got a hot Tip? Share the Wealth.”

As most would agree this is a game of information. Making/providing an actual selection is the result of a personal process. So for those of us who go out on a limb and actually post selections it becomes not only a means of sharing some current perhaps valuable information, but at the same time justifies the methods we employ to arrive at those conclusions. It has everything to do with playing this game.

The fact is that any attention derived as a result of posting our personal preferences can be good, bad or indifferent depending upon how the community of players views them. The actual private satisfaction is not derived from their evaluations (“Cyber pats on the head”) , but rather from the results and rewards those selections might produce. Some of us are mature enough to recognize that the bottom line in this game is profiting in dollars not receiving fleeting accolades (or criticism) from our peers.
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[Sea Biscuit]

How do you expect ppl to understand the way you bet if you didn't include in your selections. I'll do the math for you.

You didn't read the above.

$2 Win 2 key horses = $4
$2 Exacta box 5 horses = $40
$2 Trifecta 5/4/237 = $6
$2 Trifecta 4/5/237 = $6
$2 Trifecta 237/5/4 = $6

$2 Trifecta 4/5/237 = $6
$2 Trifecta 5/4/237 = $6
$2 Trifecta 237/5/4 = $6

$2 Super 5/4-2-3-7/4-3-2-7/4-3-2-7 = $48
$2 Super 4-2-3-7/5/4-3-2-7/4-3-2-7 = $48
$2 Super 4-2-3-7/4-3-2-7/5/4-3-2-7 = $48

$2 Super 4/5-2-3-7/5-3-2-7/5-3-2-7 = $48
$2 Super 5-2-3-7/4/5-3-2-7/5-3-2-7 = $48
$2 Super 5-2-3-7/5-3-2-7/4/5-3-2-7 = $48

Total $356 per race times 7 races (race 4 to 9) = $2,492

You bet 7 races and I add them up your profits for you.
$39.10
$100.10
$20.40
$327.00
$29.90
$69.40
$292.40
$3.80
$10.40
$24.80
$104.30
Total bets: $1021.60, even if say you bet 2 times, you still lose.

You'll be lucky to hit 2 or less super within 7 races.

Keep your Elementary Betting Structures 101 to yourself!

What a loser!

Good work Ed:ThmbUp:

[traynor]

Good work Ed:ThmbUp:

I second that. Good work, Ed!