Brexit

[lamboguy]

everyone has been saying that this will be overturned. Thereasa May is going to be the new prime minister. she has always been in favor of Brexit soi really see no reason for any change now.

what i do see is other country's leaving the European Union. the British people were sick and tired of paying high taxes to subsidize other country's and corporation's. same as we are here. one of the reason's why the Trump message has become so popular here. its so popular here that Hillary Clinton had to reverse her policy on the Trans Pacific Partnership. but who can really trust her, in case she got elected she would probably reverse her position to be in favor of it again. the Clinton's have a history in dealing to the power and the money. Trump already has enough money, he needs a good safe and solid country to function properly instead of the mess its in now in order for his family to sustain its wealth.

[rastajenk]

That's a pretty good message, Mr. Guy. Everybody has become so thoroughly conditioned to the idea that all pols are soulless sell-outs going for the quick buck at the expense of good sound long-term policy, that when someone comes along who can say, "My best interest is in a sustainable, solid economic footing that will continue to create wealth, and it's in your best interests, too," we the voters can hardly process the message.

I've always thought it odd that those who feel strongly that all politicians are crooks are often the strongest for term limits, when it seems to me term limits only shortens the window of opportunity and increases the pressure to make the kinds of devil-deals that set one up for the post-service phase of one's career.

I guess that's not exactly to lambo's original post, but I thought I'd toss that in anyway.

The Clintons' best interest lie in having things in a perpetual mess, having convinced the nation that theirs is the only family in America in the last half-century that has the means and ways to fix things, using expensive speaking engagements as the tool for maintaining the myth.

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

In November we get our own BRexit (BaRack exit) when we elect Donald Trump and end the nightmare.

[Valuist]

I agree with Lambo. Nothing will be overturned. They already had an election; Cameron is already stepping down. The world has not come to an end. Short term chaos; but better off in the long run. And they won't be the last to leave the EU.

[horses4courses]

know how to shoot themselves in the foot - and the pocket book. :lol:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-pensions-deficit-eu-referendum-bhs-tata-steel-a7156491.html

[horses4courses]

Xenophobes and racists abound.......

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/racism-brexit-immigration-eu-referendum-post-referendum-boston-least-integrated-town-a7150541.html

[Tom]

Xenophobes and racists abound.......

What did you do, TAPE the DNC Convention to watch this weekend?

[horses4courses]

The parallels with your own little crusade, monkey man, are astounding.
Haters who have no concern for anyone but themselves carried the day.
You'll be singing the same song right up to November, and beyond.

[ebcorde]

Xenophobes and racists abound.......

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/racism-brexit-immigration-eu-referendum-post-referendum-boston-least-integrated-town-a7150541.html

The UK has a unique problem that the other EU countries don't have. English is a must second Language to learn So they have the language skill set to work in the UK. On the flip side how many Brits speak Polish?

same thing here, You don't speak Spanish, Hindi, or Mandarin at some work places, you're on the outside looking in.

[Tom]

The parallels with your own little crusade, monkey man, are astounding.
Haters who have no concern for anyone but themselves carried the day.
You'll be singing the same song right up to November, and beyond.

The best way to care about people is to leave them alone and let THEM decide how to live their lives. JOBs count, not nannies. Looks at the total MESS Hillary is campaigning to fix...the one caused by 7 yeas of DEMOCRAT BS government.

[Native Texan III]

The best way to care about people is to leave them alone and let THEM decide how to live their lives. JOBs count, not nannies. Looks at the total MESS Hillary is campaigning to fix...the one caused by 7 yeas of DEMOCRAT BS government.

Poor old Tom still on the wrong side of reality every time.

“Headline U.S. payrolls which beat expectations by about 40%, and jobs market growth that’s showing signs of bursting at the seams, obviously swing the onus back on to Janet Yellen’s Federal Reserve... Federal funds futures had all but priced out another rate hike this year before Friday, but chances are rising that the latest data will encourage Yellen to signal a rate rise as early as September.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/blog/live/2016/aug/05/bank-of-england-deputy-governor-defends-interest-rate-cut-and-stimulus-package-live

[Tom]

Poor NT3 - still swallowing the pablum the left puts on his table.
Once you ignore everyone who is not working that wants to work, your figure look decent.

IS that Kool aid Cherry?

[horses4courses]

Conservatives are so accomplished at
screwing things up in the name of their cause.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/15/brexit-vote-has-made-businesses-pessimistic-surveys-show?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1471216099

[JustRalph]

Yeah, things are really screwed up......😂


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/706381/britains-economy-booms-figures-record-manufacturing-results-brexit

Economy booming since Brexit.

Centralized government ? Not anymore.......

[classhandicapper]

Yeah, things are really screwed up......😂


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/706381/britains-economy-booms-figures-record-manufacturing-results-brexit

Economy booming since Brexit.

Centralized government ? Not anymore.......

Who's next?

[Saratoga_Mike]

Who's next?

Ralph is hoping for Texas!

[JustRalph]

Ralph is hoping for Texas!

Not enough support here. But I'd vote for it.

Actually I'm for breaking the country into 3 maybe 4 pieces. We already act that way except for Federal money.

We are 3 possibly 4 countries now.........

[reckless]

As I understand it, this weekend, PM Theresa May will have serious closed door meetings with her Cabinet and closest advisors discussing Article 50 (setting into motion the UK withdrawal from the EU). Other matters will be discussed too, and the cabinet members actually have a vote yes or no pertaining to her positions she wishes to present before Parliament.

The Parliament opens up the session on Monday.

While the current Cabinet was chosen by May following Cameron's abdication, If the Cabinet shoots down any of May's proposals -- especially Article 50, all hell will break loose and elections may come again long before 2020.

The money is on enacting Article 50 ASAP. But if not, we'll know Sunday as the Brit media is all over this Cabinet meeting.

[horses4courses]

Pretty soon sterling will trade lower than euros and US dollars.
UK must really be looking forward to this split :pound:

What can isolationist, nationalistic, xenophobes do for a country?
Nothing much in a positive sense. :ThmbDown:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/forex-markets-british-pound-brexit-yen-in-focus.html

[ElKabong]

The parallels with your own little crusade, monkey man, are astounding.
Haters who have no concern for anyone but themselves carried the day.
You'll be singing the same song right up to November, and beyond.

I have to admit, these old posts prior to Hilary's defeat tickle me to death. Common sense would dictate anyone who made this asinine, wildly embarrassingly inaccurate comment above, would simply quit the thread. But....

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Pretty soon sterling will trade lower than euros and US dollars.
UK must really be looking forward to this split :pound:

What can isolationist, nationalistic, xenophobes do for a country?
Nothing much in a positive sense. :ThmbDown:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/forex-markets-british-pound-brexit-yen-in-focus.html


Shocking.


The brainwashing is real.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

I'm heading off to The British Isles in a few months. Last time I was there a few years ago it cost $1.60 to buy a pound. Yesterday it was $1.30. Not out of the question to see the pound drop further as Brexit is implemented.

[xtb]

Common sense would dictate anyone who made this asinine, wildly embarrassingly inaccurate comment above, would simply quit the thread. But....

Threxit

[snappit]

Brexit has become a shambles. The UK public were lied to and conned by the pro Brexit mob and leave.eu are now under investigation from the metropolitan police and National Crime Agency for financial irregularities and collusion with Russia during the referendum campaign.

Theresa May now seems to have come to some sort of deal on the terms of leaving with the other EU nations but is now facing a possible vote of no confidence from her own party right wingers who are that dumb they think we should leave with no deal. Brexit is the worst thing to have happened to my country in my lifetime. I still find it hard to comprehend that half our population were taken in by the lies and fear mongering by the leave supporters.

[PaceAdvantage]

Brexit has become a shambles. The UK public were lied to and conned by the pro Brexit mob and leave.eu are now under investigation from the metropolitan police and National Crime Agency for financial irregularities and collusion with Russia during the referendum campaign.How convenient.

When in doubt, the powers that be can invalidate an ENTIRE ELECTION REFERENDUM and TAKE AWAY the RIGHTS of the PEOPLE to VOTE simply by declaring something as nebulous as "collusion with Russia."

Taking a ****ing page right out of the absurd USA recently.

The whole world can just go to hell as far as I'm concerned. People should just STOP VOTING. IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.

If they don't like the RESULT, they'll do all they can to INVALIDATE IT...they will lie, cheat, KILL, and steal to get it done.

It's over folks. Kiss your rights and your collective asses goodbye.

This is much worse than ANYBODY ever imagined. I always told you all that if you REALLY KNEW what was going on in this world, you'd end up cowering in the corner, holding your blanket, sucking your thumb, and crying out for mommy.

Perhaps it has come to that already.

[snappit]

How convenient.

When in doubt, the powers that be can invalidate an ENTIRE ELECTION REFERENDUM and TAKE AWAY the RIGHTS of the PEOPLE to VOTE simply by declaring something as nebulous as "collusion with Russia."

Taking a ****ing page right out of the absurd USA recently.

The whole world can just go to hell as far as I'm concerned. People should just STOP VOTING. IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.

If they don't like the RESULT, they'll do all they can to INVALIDATE IT...they will lie, cheat, KILL, and steal to get it done.

It's over folks. Kiss your rights and your collective asses goodbye.

This is much worse than ANYBODY ever imagined. I always told you all that if you REALLY KNEW what was going on in this world, you'd end up cowering in the corner, holding your blanket, sucking your thumb, and crying out for mommy.

Perhaps it has come to that already.

The result hasn't been invalidated and stands. Far too much to go into but there are serious concerns around where the £8m that a man called Arron Banks - who has big connections to the Russians - donated to the unofficial leave.eu group came from.

[PaceAdvantage]

You find it hard to believe (Brexit vote), so that MUST MEAN something nefarious went on...the GULLIBLE PEOPLE WHO VOTED were CONNED into VOTING for something they REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE FOR.

You have to be freakin' kidding me. Do you listen to yourselves? You sound just like those on this side of the pond (so hard to believe Hillary lost, so something EVIL must have gone down to make this happen)...good grief!

Imagine if *I* had acted this way when Obama beat Romney...or McCain....

Of course, conservatives have way more sense then to embarrass themselves like this.

[snappit]

You find it hard to believe (Brexit vote), so that MUST MEAN something nefarious went on...the GULLIBLE PEOPLE WHO VOTED were CONNED into VOTING for something they REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE FOR.

You have to be freakin' kidding me. Do you listen to yourselves? You sound just like those on this side of the pond (so hard to believe Hillary lost, so something EVIL must have gone down to make this happen)...good grief!

Imagine if *I* had acted this way when Obama beat Romney...or McCain....

Of course, conservatives have way more sense then to embarrass themselves like this.


Simple facts are the official vote leave campaign did break electoral law regarding financing and have been fined for doing so. The unofficial leave.eu group is under serious criminal investigation for breaking electoral law regarding financing. It's leaders did meet with Russian officials several times, something they lied about and have now admitted. There were allegedly business deals done.


The leave campaigns at best misled the public and in cases told outright lies, particularly regarding the cost of being a member and immigration. Their whole campaign was based on ridiculous xenophobia and nationalistic nonsense, and in some cases outright racism.


We now have a situation where at last May has sorted a deal with the other nations, a deal that is terrible and unlikely to get through parliament as neither ardent brexiters nor remainers will support it. We now seem to have a choice over a bad deal that will be awful for us, or to leave with no deal that will be catastrophic. Whatever happens the economy will spiral and we will all suffer.

[PaceAdvantage]

Their whole campaign was based on ridiculous xenophobia and nationalistic nonsense, and in some cases outright racism.And yet, the people voted for it anyway? Why would that be?

Maybe you're off base in your assessment. Could that be it?

It's not like UKers to vote for outright racism, is it? I mean, Donald Trump is over here, not over there, right? There is only one Donald Trump, right?

Don't like the outcome of a vote? Cry racism. Cry Russia.

Seems to work no matter what side of the pond you live.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Brexit has become a shambles. The UK public were lied to and conned by the pro Brexit mob and leave.eu are now under investigation from the metropolitan police and National Crime Agency for financial irregularities and collusion with Russia during the referendum campaign.


Strategy: Ask Russia to pay for a wall on the border with Finland.

I'll be in England in July. I love reading the tabloids. I'm sure the Brexit issue will still be ripe.

[barn32]

The whole world can just go to hell as far as I'm concerned. People should just STOP VOTING. IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. - Mark Twain

[snappit]

And yet, the people voted for it anyway? Why would that be?

Maybe you're off base in your assessment. Could that be it?

It's not like UKers to vote for outright racism, is it? I mean, Donald Trump is over here, not over there, right? There is only one Donald Trump, right?

Don't like the outcome of a vote? Cry racism. Cry Russia.

Seems to work no matter what side of the pond you live.

Everything I said is true. Do you have any idea of what was said in the campaign? The now exposed outright lies and fearmongering about the cost and immigration. The now exposed financial irregularities. The now exposed links of Arron Banks to Russia and money and the now admitted lies he told about it.

We are in a dire situation. All the economic forecasts are saying we will be far worse off by leaving. We now have a deal with the EU that is unlikely to get through parliament. They have said there is no other deal on the table which means we will leave without a deal which will be a disaster. The government is refusing to publish the legal advice they have had about the deal which parliament has told them to publish and may well be held in contempt of parliament. With the deal unlikely to get passed there will be a vote of no confidence in the government (although that is unlikely to succeed) and a general election forced. More and more calls now for a second referendum.

[snappit]

Strategy: Ask Russia to pay for a wall on the border with Finland.

I'll be in England in July. I love reading the tabloids. I'm sure the Brexit issue will still be ripe.

I'm sure you'll have a good time here, Brexit or no Brexit. Some good racing around then as well.

[Tom]

Just be careful, you brexit, you bought it.

[horses4courses]

Mark my words....Britain will regret leaving the EU.

[Tom]

Mark my words - Who cares?

WE left Britain long ago.
Never regretted it for a second.

[davew]

Mark my words....Britain will regret leaving the EU.

It sounds like the EU has their claws in them, they can leave but still pay for all the EU 'services'. socialism at work

[Tom]

They are nuts if they give one penny to the EU.

[snappit]

It sounds like the EU has their claws in them, they can leave but still pay for all the EU 'services'. socialism at work

Why should the EU be soft on us? We decided to leave, they didn't push us out.
If you are a member of a club you pay in and get the benefits. You can't decide to leave and then expect to still get the benefits of membership for free. We need a deal, if we get no deal it will be an absolute disaster.

[snappit]

They are nuts if they give one penny to the EU.

What is going on now is about far more than how much money we pay them to leave. And, yes we should pay them money we OWE for commitments we have made. If you have a contract then want to get out of it you pay for breaking that contract. If we don't pay money we OWE the ramifications for the future will be enormous.

[Tom]

Whatever, seems stupid to honor obligations to a continent of losers.
How much did Britain get from the rest of Europe for bailing out their asses during WWII? Most of them were speed bumps at best to the Nazis. If I was British, I would call it even.

[snappit]

Whatever, seems stupid to honor obligations to a continent of losers.
How much did Britain get from the rest of Europe for bailing out their asses during WWII? Most of them were speed bumps at best to the Nazis. If I was British, I would call it even.

This 'continent of losers' hold all the cards. Whether we leave or not - and not leaving is now a possibility as calls for a second referendum are growing - we will still have to deal with them on many matters. How will they treat us if we don't pay our debts? If you had a business relationship with someone and they broke it off owing money and didn't pay up how would you treat them in the future? Your comment about WWII is interesting. One of the reasons we have peace in Europe now is because we have come together in union.

[snappit]

Yesterday, for the first time in our history the UK parliament voted to hold the government in contempt of parliament for refusing to publish the legal advice it had from the attorney general regarding May's deal. They have now been forced to publish it and it doesn't look good. Parliament is now having a five day debate on the deal with a vote on it next week. It looks like the government will lose and the deal won't be ratified with both leavers and remainers voting against it. This could bring about a constitutional crisis and could well bring down the government and force a general election. Either that or the possibility of a second referendum. I voted to remain but thought we had to accept the will of the people however close the vote was and however naïve the decision but, now people are more aware of the consequences I am leaning more and more to the side of a second vote. If the vote is the same then we, as a country, deserve everything we get.

[davew]

Why should the EU be soft on us? We decided to leave, they didn't push us out.
If you are a member of a club you pay in and get the benefits. You can't decide to leave and then expect to still get the benefits of membership for free. We need a deal, if we get no deal it will be an absolute disaster.

What are the benefits of being in this club? It seems many in your country did not see value in these benefits.

[Tom]

One of the reasons we have peace in Europe now is because we have come together in union.

I think it is because of the US and GB.
I doubt France is scaring anyone off, and the Netherlands must be sending shivers up Putin's spine.

[snappit]

What are the benefits of being in this club? It seems many in your country did not see value in these benefits.

A huge topic but here is a brief rundown. Firstly the vast majority of business leaders want to stay in because of trade benefits and also nearly all unions want to stay because of the protections given to workers. Not often business and unions are in agreement.

Trade. Being in means we have easy access to one of the worlds largest markets for free. No tariffs, quotas etc. 50% of our exports go to EU countries. If we are out we will likely have tariffs, quotas etc which will hit business hard bringing unemployment. Foreign investment in the UK will go down because of this as the foreign companies will want to base themselves abroad. We have one of the biggest car plants in Europe here owned by Nissan. Will they want to stay?If we leave we will have to leave the common agricultural policy which will hit our farmers in a big way. We will have to renegotiate trade deals with other countries without the clout of being in a market of 500 million people. Leaving the EU will mean we still have to follow their rules but will have no say in forming them.

Security. We may not have the benefit of as close cross border intelligence on things such as crime and terrorism.


Freedom of movement. We have the right to travel in the EU freely, live, work and retire there. This will go. Approximately 2m UK citizens live in the EU.

Workers rights. EU laws have brought great rights to workers in the UK. You cannot be forced to work more than an average of 48 hours per week. There are laws which give guaranteed maternity rights, right to have a minimum of four weeks holiday a year although in the UK we do have a right to 5.6 weeks paid holiday, breaks and length of working day. Rights to guarantee your terms and conditions and previous contract if your company changes hands. Many of these could go.

Nearly all economic organisations, business organisations and banks are predicting a hit to our economy which will make us worse of as well as a cost of living increase as prices will rise.

[FantasticDan]

https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1077118324969013248

[woodtoo]

https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1077118324969013248

Funny watching the EU go dumpster diving while England sails off into the sunset. :D

[horses4courses]

Funny watching the EU go dumpster diving while England sails off into the sunset. :D

Ah yes.....back to the days when Britain ruled the waves.
Now they can sail on long journeys to check up on Gibraltar and the Falklands.
:rolleyes:

[sammy the sage]

https://twitter.com/jimmfelton/status/1077118324969013248

I'm impressed by dude's fortitude not bringing his hands up when going into the can...obviously soft landing...but still...you would think instinct would take over...

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Well, you know what they say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjmjqlOPd6A

[davew]

On Friday they are supposed to leave the EU, but still have to follow all the rules ... ???

[horses4courses]

UK is not in a position to bargain anymore.
In other words, they are royally screwed.

May has kept her position as PM because no one else wants it.
If it were the slightest bit desirable, she would have been ousted long ago.

This has all been brought about by anti-immigration, isolationists, getting
to the polls in bigger numbers. Much of the country thought it could never
happen, so why bother voting? If another election was held on the same
topic, there is little doubt that Britain would remain in EU for years to come.
That won't happen now - nor should it. They will get what's coming to them.

Amazing how an apathetic electorate can get run over by a mob.
Reminds me of Nov 2016 in the US, popular vote aside. :eek:

[elysiantraveller]

It's a pretty epic ****-up...

[davew]

This has all been brought about by anti-immigration, isolationists, getting
to the polls in bigger numbers. Much of the country thought it could never
happen, so why bother voting? If another election was held on the same
topic, there is little doubt that Britain would remain in EU for years to come.
That won't happen now - nor should it. They will get what's coming to them.

Amazing how an apathetic electorate can get run over by a mob.
Reminds me of Nov 2016 in the US, popular vote aside. :eek:

Do you mean like how the 'smartest' knew it could never happen so didn't bother to vote?

[elysiantraveller]

Just like a lot of Brits some of us vastly overestimated the intelligence of the electorate.

[MargieRose]

"mob" :confused: ... "overestimated the intelligence" :confused: :D

Two egregious examples of liberal arrogance on display. Get over yourselves already! You're lookin' very foolish!!

[elysiantraveller]

"mob" :confused: ... "overestimated the intelligence" :confused: :D

Two egregious examples of liberal arrogance on display. Get over yourselves already! You're lookin' very foolish!!

Case -> Point

The fact you're still calling me a liberal is hilarious.

[davew]

Case -> Point

The fact you're still calling me a liberal is hilarious.

well, you do seem to hate everything
so maybe an independent with liberal tendencies?

[elysiantraveller]

well, you do seem to hate everything
so maybe an independent with liberal tendencies?

Libertarian tendencies.

I have to be an independent now... Biden is the most conservative option out of both parties for 2020.

[MargieRose]

Case -> Point

The fact you're still calling me a liberal is hilarious.The fact that you are hurling blanket insults covering just about half the voters in this country is, let's just say, deplorable!

[Tom]

Do you mean like how the 'smartest' knew it could never happen so didn't bother to vote?

And didn't bother to campaign everywhere?
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

That was the day HELL froze over!:headbanger:

[Tom]

Just like a lot of Brits some of us vastly overestimated the intelligence of the CANDIDATE.

FTFY.....Trump SMART -understood how to win and he did it.
Hillary.....Stupid, lazy.....Wrote a book about it.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[elysiantraveller]

FTFY.....Trump SMART -understood how to win and he did it.
Hillary.....Stupid, lazy.....Wrote a book about it.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

I won't argue Trump can sell the sizzle...

[Tom]

Not only sells, it but delivers it as well.
So much ore good things have come from Trump than would have come from that old biddy.

We are fortunate to have him an not her.
:headbanger::headbanger::jump::jump:

[elysiantraveller]

Not only sells, it but delivers it as well.
So much ore good things have come from Trump than would have come from that old biddy.

We are fortunate to have him an not her.
:headbanger::headbanger::jump::jump:

I'm not taking the bait... if you think he's delivering that's great I guess.

[MargieRose]

FTFY.....Trump SMART -understood how to win and he did it.
Hillary.....Stupid, lazy.....Wrote a book about it.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:Sorry Tom, but I can't agree with your 'FIFY.' And, I don't see Ely disagreeing with you about it...why would he?

A better fix would be: Just like a lot of Brits, some of us vastly underestimated the intelligence of the electorate...or CANDIDATE.

The way I see it, Ely 'vastly' insulted half of the electorate, and by your fix, you're now insulting the candidate, as well.

So, you're agreeing with Ely about the Electoral College, and now you seem to be agreeing with him about the 'overestimated' intelligence of the candidate/president...he's happy to have you as an ally.

If I am interpreting this wrong, I apologize, but Ely didn't attempt to correct my interpretation of HIS statement, in the first place. He was just concerned about being thought of as a liberal.

[Tom]

I'm not taking the bait... if you think he's delivering that's great I guess.

Within 30 minutes or it's free!

[Tom]

The way I see it, Ely 'vastly' insulted half of the electorate, and by your fix, you're now insulting the candidate, as well.

Meaning they overestimated the intelligence of HILLARY.
She turned to be dumber than a basket of deplorable rocks.

[MargieRose]

Meaning they overestimated the intelligence of HILLARY.
She turned to be dumber than a basket of deplorable rocks.Well, that makes me feel better. I apologize for the gross misunderstanding. :)

[snappit]

Brexit has now been delayed. Either 11th April or 22nd May depending on whether MP's back May's deal next week. I'm still not sure it will go through as those who want Brexit still won't like it and those who are against Brexit still won't like it and there are a handful who don't like it because they want no deal. The only thing that might swing it May's way is that the awful prospect of leaving with no deal may frighten some into supporting her. Leaving is bad enough with whatever deal, leaving with no deal will be a disaster.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47663031

[biggestal99]

The fact that you are hurling blanket insults covering just about half the voters in this country is, let's just say, deplorable!

Half the country was deplorable in 1860.

Half the country is deplorable now supporting the liar.

Hell he took credit for McCain’s bill yesterday.

The only thing he did with the bill is sign it.

Allan

[tucker6]

Brexit has now been delayed. Either 11th April or 22nd May depending on whether MP's back May's deal next week. I'm still not sure it will go through as those who want Brexit still won't like it and those who are against Brexit still won't like it and there are a handful who don't like it because they want no deal. The only thing that might swing it May's way is that the awful prospect of leaving with no deal may frighten some into supporting her. Leaving is bad enough with whatever deal, leaving with no deal will be a disaster.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47663031

Why would it be a disaster? Short term maybe. Long term, nothing is worse than the economic and regulatory shackles the EU puts you in.

[PaceAdvantage]

UK is not in a position to bargain anymore.
In other words, they are royally screwed.

May has kept her position as PM because no one else wants it.
If it were the slightest bit desirable, she would have been ousted long ago.

This has all been brought about by anti-immigration, isolationists, getting
to the polls in bigger numbers. Much of the country thought it could never
happen, so why bother voting? If another election was held on the same
topic, there is little doubt that Britain would remain in EU for years to come.
That won't happen now - nor should it. They will get what's coming to them.

Amazing how an apathetic electorate can get run over by a mob.
Reminds me of Nov 2016 in the US, popular vote aside. :eek:Interesting take.

Maybe if the liberals on both sides of the pond hadn't overstepped so much they wouldn't now have to suffer the backlash from the "neanderthals" (a synonym for your description above...I mean, let's be real, that's what you would call them, or worse).

[Tom]

Amazing how an apathetic electorate can get run over by a mob.
Reminds me of Nov 2016 in the US, popular vote aside.

As usual, you have it backwards.
The MOBS were financed by Soros and were attacking TRUMP rallies.
The AMERICANS once again, prevailed over the mob.

Speaking of MOBS, thk Hillary would have made the gains against ISIS that Trump has? When SHE was SOS, they were the JV. :lol::lol::lol:

[biggestal99]

Speaking of MOBS, thk Hillary would have made the gains against ISIS that Trump has? When SHE was SOS, they were the JV. :lol::lol::lol:


and do you think the Economy would be going into recession if Hillary was President. LOL. no tax cuts. no massive deficit spending. no growing national debt. No Tarriffs,



see for every ying there is a yang.


Allan

[Tom]

Record jobs for women, minorities.....yeah, Hillary would have us ALL on welfare by this time.

[MargieRose]

Half the country was deplorable in 1860.*

Half the country is deplorable now supporting the liar.

Hell he took credit for McCain’s bill yesterday.

The only thing he did with the bill is sign it.**

Allan* Fact check! You just put a crack in your own glass house. And before anyone gets his or her panties tied up in a knot, I'm not condoning slavery at any percent; just presenting facts against another blanket untruth:

6. Largely as a result of natural increase, the United States went from being a country that accounted for 6 percent of slaves imported to the New World to one that in 1860 held more than 60 percent of the hemisphere’s slave population, according to Steven Mintz, author of “American Slavery in Comparative Perspective,” for the Gilder Lehrman Institute. (It’s worth noting that Stanley Engerman, Richard Sutch and Gavin Wright put that number closer to 50 percent in their March 2003 report on “Slavery” (http://economics.ucr.edu/papers/papers03/03-12.pdf) (pdf) for the University of California Project on the Historical Statistics of the United States.)BUT, not by half the country (by population):

9. In 1860, according to the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History, 75 percent of white families in the United States owned not a single slave, while 1 percent of families owned 40 or more. Just a tenth of 1 percent of Americans owned 100 or more slaves.Slavery, by the Numbers (https://www.theroot.com/slavery-by-the-numbers-1790874492)

** Is not signing the bill getting the job done?

Crazed Demos...always on the war path!!

[OntheRail]

and do you think the Economy would be going into recession if Hillary was President. LOL. no tax cuts. no massive deficit spending. no growing national debt. No Tarriffs,



see for every ying there is a yang.


Allan

And you really believe this...:pound:

https://sayingimages.com/wp-content/uploads/serious-face-donald-trump-yeah-right-meme.png

[reckless]

and do you think the Economy would be going into recession if Hillary was President. LOL. no tax cuts. no massive deficit spending. no growing national debt. No Tarriffs, see for every ying there is a yang.

Allan

Recession? Who's going into a recession? Certainly not the USA. No evidence whatsoever of a recession. You can go to the bank on that.

No tax cuts under Hillary. Yes you are correct: No tax cuts under Hillary.

Deficit spending will destroy the country it's now being implied -- when a Republican is President.

But when Democrats are in charge, deficit spending is OK ... Democrats and liberals call it investment. :lol::lol:

The National Debt has been growing for decades and decades so blaming Trump shows ignorance and hatred for the guy. Plus, Hillary would not have stemmed that tide either. Cut the nonsense.

Yes again, no tariffs under Hillary.

The Trump imposed tariffs has led to a manufacturing boom in this country leading to millions of blue collar jobs and record unemployment. We are the only major economic power in the world that has achieved the huge economic and manufacturing growth these past 2+ years -- thanks to Trump.

Americans are coming out of not just unemployment, but from out of the labor force entirely at a rate higher under President Donald Trump than under the previous administration, according to a Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) report out Tuesday.

CEA Member Rich Burkhauser focused in on a surge in blue-collar employment during a Tuesday briefing. He pointed to trends in manufacturing and more specifically durable goods manufacturing numbers: “from ’13 to November of 2016, we find that by February of 2019, we’re at 301,000 jobs above trend in durable goods manufacturing, which is steel machinery, computers, autos, which are the heart of blue-collar employment.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/19/71-entering-employment-came-from-outside-labor-force-under-trump/

[davew]

Brand new Brexit Party founded by Nigel Farage has most support in UK after 2 weeks in existence. What is wrong with the voters there? don't they know the politicians know what is best for them?

[Tom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN1WwnEDWAM

[snappit]

The saga goes on. Tonight Johnson won the vote in the House of Commons on his new deal by 30 votes. The vote was saying they supported it in principle but it was only the second reading and in it's third reading would be subject to amendments. However, the sting in the tail was minutes later MP's defeated the government on it's timetable to get the bill through parliament. Johnson was trying to railroad it through in 3 days. The bill was over 500 pages long and only published a couple of days ago, something like this would normally take eight weeks. MP's quite rightly wanted more time to scrutinise the bill. Johnson has now thrown the toys out of the pram and pulled the bill. It now seems very unlikely that we will leave on the 31st October as Johnson promised. It looks like the only way we will leave by then is if the EU fail to give another extension. Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, has said he will recommend to the other EU countries that a further extension is agreed.

Johnson was forced by an act of parliament to send a letter to the EU on Saturday asking for an extension. After Johnson lost a vote on Saturday in his churlish style he sent a photocopied letter which was unsigned and followed it up with a second letter which he signed arguing against an extension.

What happens next? My guess is there will be an extension until the end of January and we will likely have a general election before then.

[snappit]

The EU has this morning agreed in principal to an Brexit extension until 31 January unless agreement in the UK parliament to the withdrawal bill allows us to leave earlier. This means it is almost certain we won't leave this Thursday as Boris Johnson promised time and time again. He said we will leave whatever on Thursday do or die and he would rather 'die in a ditch' than we don't leave on Thursday.

Today Johnson is tabling a motion for a general election on December 12th although the Liberal Democrats and Scottish Nationalists are putting in a counter motion to have it on December 9th. Those few days are important. It is not clear how the opposition Labour party will vote and if they will support an election on either date or at all.

[barahona44]

This means it is almost certain we won't leave this Thursday as Boris Johnson promised time and time again. He said we will leave whatever on Thursday do or die and he would rather 'die in a ditch' than we don't leave on Thursday.



Happy Halloween! :cool:

Are people going in costume as Boris? Shouldn't be difficult;just get a mophead, spray paint it canary yellow and put it on top of your head. :D

[snappit]

Happy Halloween! :cool:

Are people going in costume as Boris? Shouldn't be difficult;just get a mophead, spray paint it canary yellow and put it on top of your head. :D

:) Well a Johnson mask will certainly scare the kids.

It's more likely effigies will be burnt on November 5th. November the 5th is bonfire night over here. It is the date we commemorate the attempt to blow up parliament in 1605. We let off fireworks and have bonfires. Traditionally people put an effigy of Guy Fawkes one of the conspirators on top of the bonfire. The effigies are usually of a man dressed in old cloths and stuffed with a mask on. When I was a kid we used to make our Guy Fawkes and stand near the shops asking for 'a penny for the guy'. Halloween has now sadly overtaken that tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

[snappit]

Johnson has just lost the vote in the commons to have an election not getting the 2/3rds majority needed. Tomorrow he will table a 'short bill' to have an election on December 12th. This only needs a straight majority.

[snappit]

There will be a general election in the UK on December 12th. Opposition MP's supported the motion.

[barahona44]

There will be a general election in the UK on December 12th. Opposition MP's supported the motion.

You guys are lucky.We still have more than a year wallowing through the muck until the 2020 election

[Tom]

Wallowing = record employment for minorities
Wallowing = great economy
Wallowing = major trade deal in place or in final stages
Wallowing = household income up ~5 Grand a year
Wallowing = top two terrorist leaders now at room temperature
Wallowing = tax cuts for everyone

Man, are you just a freaking PARROT of can you point to some actual BAD THINGS (Things, not opinions)

Wallowing in GRAVY!

[barahona44]

Wallowing = record employment for minorities
Wallowing = great economy
Wallowing = major trade deal in place or in final stages
Wallowing = household income up ~5 Grand a year
Wallowing = top two terrorist leaders now at room temperature
Wallowing = tax cuts for everyone

Man, are you just a freaking PARROT of can you point to some actual BAD THINGS (Things, not opinions)

Wallowing in GRAVY!

Don't burst a blood vessel there ,big guy.I'd hate to see anything happen to you,especially since you're closing in on 100,000 posts. :D

Stay :cool:, bro.

Have a pleasant night.Catch ya on the flip side.

[fast4522]

Right now its Bernie who has to watch it, all burnt out in more ways than one.

[Tom]

Brain-eating zombies agree!

[emililadjet]

Brexit is the beginning of the end for Europe and Moscow will always seek to break, damage and ultimately destroy the European Union. :jump:

[woodtoo]

It's finally here!!!!


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[GaryG]

It is a great day for Britain. Now we can be real trading partners without dealing with the euro-socialists. Good thing they never adopted the abominable euro. One world govt? Not bleeping yet!

[snappit]

It is a great day for Britain. Now we can be real trading partners without dealing with the euro-socialists. Good thing they never adopted the abominable euro. One world govt? Not bleeping yet!

Another post saying Brexit is good for the UK without saying why. Explain why it is good for the UK. Why are we going to get a better trade agreement with a country thousands of miles away who has a president who keeps saying he will only do trade deals that favour the US than the one we have with the EU that is the best trade deal in the world? I don't want your chlorinated chicken thanks, I don't want Trump getting his greasy paws on our health service. Good for the US not for us.

And another point. Nothing will really change tonight. For the next year we still have to pay the same money to the EU, we still have freedom of movement, we still have to follow EU rules, all the things brexiters complained about. The only difference is in one hours time we won't have a seat at the table to decide any of those rules.

A sad day for the UK. Just nationalistic nonsense.

[Tom]

If it is good to be in the union, why are so many Brits wanting to get out?

[davew]

Brexit is the beginning of the end for Europe and Moscow will always seek to break, damage and ultimately destroy the European Union. :jump:

the EU has been getting invaded for the last 10 years - the 'leaders' do not seem to care

[snappit]

If it is good to be in the union, why are so many Brits wanting to get out?

If it is bad to be in the union why do so many Brits want to stay in the EU?

[Show Me the Wire]

If it is bad to be in the union why do so many Brits want to stay in the EU?

Not enough though.

[Tom]

If it is bad to be in the union why do so many Brits want to stay in the EU?

I was serious.
If that all you can answer, I see why they want out - your can't give any good reason to stay. :rolleyes:

I guess you guys have your own version of House Managers! :lol:

[snappit]

I was serious.
If that all you can answer, I see why they want out - your can't give any good reason to stay. :rolleyes:

I guess you guys have your own version of House Managers! :lol:

I was merely answering your post like for like to show how ridiculous it was. I can give any number of reasons (and have on other posts) why we should have stayed. I have asked before from others on here why they think we should leave and offered to debate with them but they can't or won't, I am quite happy to make the same offer to you. In fact I haven't heard one good reason. Tell me why it is better for us to be out and I will happily have a constructive debate with you. In answer to your first post though I will tell you poll after poll has shown the majority view now is we should stay.

[Tom]

Why is it ridiculous for me ask a serious question.
What a Pompous ass of an answer.
I don't want to debate shit with you - I don't GIVE a shit about You or your GD country - we were done with you guys centuries ago.

And Now I remember why!

I now know all I need to know about it - You hate it , I LOVE it!

GD Europeans anyways.....F'em all.

[snappit]

Why is it ridiculous for me ask a serious question.
What a Pompous ass of an answer.
I don't want to debate shit with you - I don't GIVE a shit about You or your GD country - we were done with you guys centuries ago.

And Now I remember why!

I now know all I need to know about it - You hate it , I LOVE it!

GD Europeans anyways.....F'em all.

Because it wasn't a serious question, I could easily ask a similar question of you such as why, if Trump was so good for your country, did so many people vote against him? You would have hammered me if I had asked that but it's the same thing.

You don't want to debate because you can't debate,,you just give abuse. You don't show any respect for people who have a differing view to yourself. You won't debate because you don't know anything about the subject.

[davew]

hey snappit, a country thousands of miles away who has a president who keeps saying he will only do trade deals that favour the US?


I have never heard Trump say screw the other guy, just wants a fair deal.

[snappit]

hey snappit, a country thousands of miles away who has a president who keeps saying he will only do trade deals that favour the US?


I have never heard Trump say screw the other guy, just wants a fair deal.

His constant theme is America first. Do you honestly believe he's going to give us a deal that would be better for the UK than the one we have at present with EU countries, which is the best deal in the world? Fair deals work both ways. We are just a small country and you would have all the strength in negotiations.

[Tom]

Because it wasn't a serious question, I could easily ask a similar question of you such as why, if Trump was so good for your country, did so many people vote against him? You would have hammered me if I had asked that but it's the same thing.

You don't want to debate because you can't debate,,you just give abuse. You don't show any respect for people who have a differing view to yourself. You won't debate because you don't know anything about the subject.

I don't want to debate because it is of no importance to me.
It WAS a serious question, your head is just so far up your arse you can't read so good.

I was just curious why you thought it so good, that is all.

I know enough about the subject now to even care less than I did.

[Tom]

I can't think of anything British I would want to have.

American president putting America First! Imagine that! :pound:

[barahona44]

I can't think of anything British I would want to have

You don't speak English? :D

[Tom]

You don't speak English? :D

I speak American.

[horses4courses]

Can life get any better for conservatives right now?

Countries falling like dominoes throughout the world
embracing the doctrine of the Right. They've seen the light.

4 more years of Trump on the horizon.
Conservative SCOTUS and federal judges to preside for decades.

Kick back, why don't ya?
Put those feet up for a while.
It's all over bar the shouting.

You've stomped on liberals and squished us like bugs.
Time to reap the benefits - take a vacation.

[fast4522]

NFW, this is the time for revenge.

[Tom]

Can life get any better for conservatives right now?

Countries falling like dominoes throughout the world
embracing the doctrine of the Right. They've seen the light.

4 more years of Trump on the horizon.
Conservative SCOTUS and federal judges to preside for decades.

Kick back, why don't ya?
Put those feet up for a while.
It's all over bar the shouting.

You've stomped on liberals and squished us like bugs.
Time to reap the benefits - take a vacation.

Nice to save countries from the delusions of the left.
Have you seen how things are going in NY where brain-dead lefties are now allowing people out on the streets without bail?

Gang of fentanyl dealers RELEASED thanks to no bail law.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/suspects-accused-of-running-7m-fentanyl-ring-released-without-bail/

Repeat drunk driver kills women, brags he will be out next day thanks to liberal morons.

https://www.crimeonline.com/2020/02/01/repeat-drunk-driver-who-caused-deadly-wreck-brags-hell-be-out-tomorrow-and-he-was-reports/

You and your elk area dangerous to civilized people.

Democrats in action.

[PaceAdvantage]

Can life get any better for conservatives right now?

Countries falling like dominoes throughout the world
embracing the doctrine of the Right. They've seen the light.

4 more years of Trump on the horizon.
Conservative SCOTUS and federal judges to preside for decades.

Kick back, why don't ya?
Put those feet up for a while.
It's all over bar the shouting.

You've stomped on liberals and squished us like bugs.
Time to reap the benefits - take a vacation.What can you blame this all on? Successful liberal policies through the decades? :pound:

[JustRalph]

NFW, this is the time for revenge.

Yeah baby!

:lol::lol::lol:

[horses4courses]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/horse-racing/51387497

A project to build 3,000 houses that would have led to the demise
of Kempton Park in south London has been shelved in favor of a
smaller version which will keep the race course open.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/15F52/production/_110783998_gettyimages-1196044478.jpg

Smart people, investors.
Who the hell wants to build in an economy likely to tank
due to the shortsightedness of a bunch of xenophobes?

It's just the beginning of troubled times in Britain.
Lack of growth, stagnant economy, rising unemployment.
Leading the chant of discontent will be Scotland, Wales,
and Northern Ireland. Those regions voted to stay in the EU.
They will also bear the brunt of new trade restrictions on the horizon.

[woodtoo]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/horse-racing/51387497

A project to build 3,000 houses that would have led to the demise
of Kempton Park in south London has been shelved in favor of a
smaller version which will keep the race course open.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/15F52/production/_110783998_gettyimages-1196044478.jpg

Smart people, investors.
Who the hell wants to build in an economy likely to tank
due to the shortsightedness of a bunch of xenophobes?

It's just the beginning of troubled times in Britain.
Lack of growth, stagnant economy, rising unemployment.
Leading the chant of discontent will be Scotland, Wales,
and Northern Ireland. Those regions voted to stay in the EU.
They will also bear the brunt of new trade restrictions on the horizon.

Spoken like a true lying dog-faced pony soldier.:D

[Tom]

Spoken like a true lying dog-faced pony soldier.:D

I see what you did there! :lol: