Dallas shooting at demonstration against cop shootings

[ElKabong]

About three dozen shots fired at about nine pm near dealer plaza.. Reported a police officer was shot, taken to a hospital.

Craziness

[ElKabong]

Sounded like an ak47 or the like, per reporters. Heard the tv replay / film, def not a police weapon. People running for cover like crazy.

[Tom]

Two cops.

[ElKabong]

African American being interviewed on channel 8 said the shooter let the rally go by, then shot 50-70 rounds at police. Intended targets were definitely cops. Said he thought it was an ar15

[Fager Fan]

Clearly racist, right Horses and Grits?

[horses4courses]

Clearly racist, right Horses and Grits?

Really not worthy of a reply, but I'm biting.

Scum like yourself always has an ax to grind.
Even in the midst of tragedy, when all that matters
is that those cops survive and recover, and that
the shooter is caught and brought to justice.

Climb back under your rock, why don't ya?

[ElKabong]

Not asked of me, but yes it is clearly racist unfortunately.

The city will be on edge for awhile bc of this. The danger from here is, this will escalate on cops... Which means blacks pulled over will need to be respectful when cops do their assigned duties. Cops will be on edge and understandably so.

What a mess

[ElKabong]

Channel 8 showed a scene, 2 men and a woman were arrested near the area ten minutes ago. Tried to drive thru the area at high speed. Don't believe they were among the shooter(s). El centro and the Texas club are still on lockdown, swat and cops are in the bldg

[Fager Fan]

Really not worthy of a reply, but I'm biting.

Scum like yourself always has an ax to grind.
Even in the midst of tragedy, when all that matters
is that those cops survive and recover, and that
the shooter is caught and brought to justice.

Climb back under your rock, why don't ya?

You have nothing to add to anything except playing the race card. See, when you do that, THIS is the result.

[chrisl]

Horses, I agree. This shit is getting out of hand. What is the answer?

[Tom]

And people wonder why cops might be anxious on the job.

Hopefully, the cops find this guy and blow his worthless brain out on live TV.
No matter what color he is.

[ElKabong]

Just confirmed, one DART officer dead. Three other Dart officers hospitalized.

This doesn't include the Dallas cop

Dart--- Dallas area transit


Black male just arrested, wearing a flack jacket. Crowd getting jacked up yelling black lives matter...sheeesh

[ElKabong]

Channel four... Three cops dead. Dart, one officer dead....ten officers total shot, two in critical condition

[MutuelClerk]

This world sucks. This old age thing may not be so bad.

[Tom]

This isn't some nut in the crowd.
Too organized - something not right with this picture.
This was a massacre.

Those idiots downtown had best shut up, go home and stay there.
Not the night to be an idiot.

[ArlJim78]

In midst of active shooter situation in Downtown Dallas, crowd is still taunting police officers protecting them.
the above tweeted by Frank Luntz

[Parkview_Pirate]

Really not worthy of a reply, but I'm biting.

Scum like yourself always has an ax to grind.
Even in the midst of tragedy, when all that matters
is that those cops survive and recover, and that
the shooter is caught and brought to justice.

Climb back under your rock, why don't ya?

Pot, meet kettle. The guy who stepped in the dog poo early and often with the Orlando nightclub shooting, now complains about the exact same tactics on another topic, "in the midst of the tradegy".

You're quite the hypocrite.

[Tom]

Just what I meant.
Some bimbo was just on FOX whining how the cops pulled some guy out the crowd and took him away - she just didn't understand why the cop had his gun drawn. What a moron.
Amazing how many total idiots are out there.
Perfect storm for some natural selection tonight. And the Darwin goes to.....

[highnote]

A person named Michael Van Poppel of BNO News posted on twitter a "Chief Brown statement". I assume Chief Brown is from Dallas?

The statement reads: "Tonight it appears that two snipers shot ten police officers from elevated positions during the protest/rally. Three officers are deceased, two are in surgery and three are in critical condition. An intensive search for suspects is currently underway....."

Snipers? From an elevated position?

That definitely sounds organized.

[fast4522]

This is a time we see the underbelly of socialism at its ugliest. An economy pumping 4+ % is good for everybody, especially community's who have large numbers of unemployed youth. I am the last guy who wants to see someone on television losing their life, like fail.

[ElKabong]

The obvious...yes it was organized and premeditated

A photo of one of the shooters has been posted. It'll be interesting to see if the shooters were locals, or were outsiders looking for an easy kill.

[MONEY]

Do you think that the below statement by Obama a few hours ago inspired today's violence against the police.

"Although I am constrained in commenting on the particular facts of these cases, I am encouraged that the U.S. Department of Justice has opened a civil rights investigation in Baton Rouge, and I have full confidence in their professionalism and their ability to conduct a thoughtful, thorough, and fair inquiry.

"But regardless of the outcome of such investigations, what's clear is that these fatal shootings are not isolated incidents. They are symptomatic of the broader challenges within our criminal justice system, the racial disparities that appear across the system year after year, and the resulting lack of trust that exists between law enforcement and too many of the communities they serve.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/07/07/president-obama-fatal-shootings-alton-sterling-and-philando-castile

[johnhannibalsmith]

I know this is a story worthy of extensive coverage but when I watch these 'analysts' lay out the scenario (speculatively in many ways) point by point and waxing on strategy... you know... unfortunately, there are probably quite a few people watching and listening and taking notes and viewing it as instructional video. Not saying they shouldn't or shouldn't be allowed to, but damn, just get the sense that its almost unavoidable that something similar isn't being formulated elsewhere as we type and watch in large part because of the way something like this is covered.

[OntheRail]

They need to find the big black guy with the white shirt that read #I WILL LEAD... that the local news was talking to. He said something about his friends had rifles with them.... Anyone else catch that?

[kingfin66]

This is a time we see the underbelly of socialism at its ugliest. An economy pumping 4+ % is good for everybody, especially community's who have large numbers of unemployed youth. I am the last guy who wants to see someone on television losing their life, like fail.

Wow, this is exceptionally ignorant even by your very lofty standards.

[ElKabong]

Do you think that the below statement by Obama a few hours ago inspired today's violence against the police.



https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/07/07/president-obama-fatal-shootings-alton-sterling-and-philando-castile

In all honesty, If someone were to ask if race relations today was worse than it was 8 yrs ago, you'd have to say yes. No question about it

Is Obama to blame. Maybe not but he darn sure hasn't helped. This is just very disappointing. Very disappointing

[highnote]

One reason for snipers to kill police officers is to try to incite more social conflicts. There are many people in the world and in the U.S. who want to see a civil war in the United States because a civil war at home means a weaker U.S. abroad.

[Parkview_Pirate]

In all honesty, If someone were to ask if race relations today was worse than it was 8 yrs ago, you'd have to say yes. No question about it

Is Obama to blame. Maybe not but he darn sure hasn't helped. This is just very disappointing. Very disappointing

Obama and Holder essentially put race relations in the U.S. back about 50 years.

Manson's Helter Skelter is looking more likely every day. The tin foil conspiracy theory of rioting/war causing Obama to declare martial law and stay in office - looking more likely every day.....

[highnote]

If you go to this link https://twitter.com/LancasterOnline and scroll down a couple of tweets you can see raw video from the Dallas shooting. You don't see the shooters, but you hear the gun fire. There were a LOT of shots fired by somebody.

https://twitter.com/LancasterOnline

[highnote]

The audio in this clip from the Dallas shootings sounds like a war zone:

https://twitter.com/LancasterOnline

[Robert Fischer]

this shooting probably helps Police more in terms of the media.

This afternoon, police were looking pretty bad.
Now you have people online vocally supporting police.

[highnote]

Texas is an open carry state. People can open carry "long" guns. Judging from some of the photos I've seen, it looks like people are openly carrying AR-15s.

When you get a crowd of protesters, crowd control police, and people openly carrying, the chance of someone firing a weapon increases.

Back in the 60s, when people were protesting for equal rights in the south, they might have gotten sprayed with water cannons.

Could you imagine if the protesters were openly carrying back then?

Jesus, Ghandi, and MLK accomplished a lot with their only weapons being words and ideas.

But on the other hand, none of them died of natural causes.

(update... July 8, 1:15am eastern time... 4 officers have been killed in Dallas)

[JustRalph]

Warning

Graphic

Officer killed


Point blank

A handgun vs assault rifle up close

Black lives matter killing cops .......welcome to the jungle

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/video-dallas-shooter-filmed-firing-police-executing-officer-dallas/

[davew]

This isn't some nut in the crowd.
Too organized - something not right with this picture.
This was a massacre.

Those idiots downtown had best shut up, go home and stay there.
Not the night to be an idiot.


Are you sure it wasn't a spontaneous demonstration caused by a video they saw on youtube?

[JustRalph]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-congressman-tells-obama-this-is-now-war-after-dallas-shootings/article/2595938

Thanks Obama......?

[Dahoss2002]

Thoughts and prayers go out to the victims families and friends and all of us living in these tragic times.

[iceknight]

this shooting probably helps Police more in terms of the media.

This afternoon, police were looking pretty bad.
Now you have people online vocally supporting police. Killing innocent officers in cold blood is horrific. This is NOT something sought for by those demanding justice for overreach by some officers and the silence by the rest. This might also place the already nervous police into a seriously jittery position. the actions of a few have now essentially derailed the peaceful protest movement.

[ArlJim78]

so predictable, I always expected this year would end with riots and cities burning. the war on America has escalated in the last couple months, and I fear it will get much worse. At the top we're a leaderless rudderless country, intentionally divided and drifting into oblivion. the trouble for us is that many of our enemies are inside the gates, in positions of power, pretending to be on our side.

[highnote]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/video-dallas-shooter-filmed-firing-police-executing-officer-dallas/

Surely, the shooters know there is a big chance they will get caught or even killed. What do they have to gain?

I saw some quotes from one of the shooters that was apprehended. He sounded mentally ill.

[JustRalph]

so predictable, I always expected this year would end with riots and cities burning. the war on America has escalated in the last couple months, and I fear it will get much worse. At the top we're a leaderless rudderless country, intentionally divided and drifting into oblivion. the trouble for us is that many of our enemies are inside the gates, in positions of power, pretending to be on our side.


Amen!

[JustRalph]

Now 5 dead officers

[Marshall Bennett]

It's difficult to make too many conclusions till we know for sure who these shooters are and where they're from. ISIS would love nothing more than to take out a bunch of cops and create more mayhem and tension within the American public.

[Inner Dirt]

I believe the media bears some responsibility for these shootings along with our pathetic divisive President, the DOJ, and the governor of Minnesota. They all fan the flames of black people who believe racism from police is rampant.
Obama repeatedly sides with the black guy before he gets the whole story. I don't ever recall him once telling people how to interact with the police to minimize bad things happening. The DOJ seems to always make an immediate comment implying wrong doing by police when a minority is killed. The media gives next to no coverage of white people killed by police, and rarely mention what the black person did to run afoul no matter how heinous it was. If you just listen what the media implies you would think the police kill model black citizens at an alarming rate and go out of their way to arrest the worst of the white race without hurting them. I don't know what the count is, but it seems rioting is at an all time high under Obama.

[rastajenk]

One reason for snipers to kill police officers is to try to incite more social conflicts. There are many people in the world and in the U.S. who want to see a civil war in the United States because a civil war at home means a weaker U.S. abroad.I went to bed early and missed all this as it developed; my first thought after absorbing some of the basics this morning was Charles Manson. This kind of thing was his goal, I think, for that very reason.

[Fager Fan]

I believe the media bears some responsibility for these shootings along with our pathetic divisive President, the DOJ, and the governor of Minnesota. They all fan the flames of black people who believe racism from police is rampant.
Obama repeatedly sides with the black guy before he gets the whole story. I don't ever recall him once telling people how to interact with the police to minimize bad things happening. The DOJ seems to always make an immediate comment implying wrong doing by police when a minority is killed. The media gives next to no coverage of white people killed by police, and rarely mention what the black person did to run afoul no matter how heinous it was. If you just listen what the media implies you would think the police kill model black citizens at an alarming rate and go out of their way to arrest the worst of the white race without hurting them. I don't know what the count is, but it seems rioting is at an all time high under Obama.

It's not just Obama, the DOJ and the press. Race relations being so terrible is also the fault of all the people who label everyone and everything racist. All have been fanning the flames for years. Good leaders don't fan flames. MLK didn't fan flames, and blacks haven't had a leader since him who didn't fan flames. Obama had the golden opportunity to be a great leader to blacks but he blew it. Didn't just blow it, but made things worse for blacks and all of us.

"Racist" needs to be stricken from our language. This is the result of irresponsible people fanning the flames.

[Tom]

Do you think that the below statement by Obama a few hours ago inspired today's violence against the police.



https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/07/07/president-obama-fatal-shootings-alton-sterling-and-philando-castile

Of course this rabble-rouser SOB is a major part of the problem.
When you allow outright racists like the Grand Mufti to hold office, this is what you get. OBama needs keep his big fat kenyan mouth shut.

[Tom]

The three in custody are not cooperating.
Time to water board, or whatever it takes.

Is anyone really concerned about their rights?
I'm not.

[Mike at A+]

Obama and Holder essentially put race relations in the U.S. back about 50 years.

Manson's Helter Skelter is looking more likely every day. The tin foil conspiracy theory of rioting/war causing Obama to declare martial law and stay in office - looking more likely every day.....

What's that term liberals like to use? Oh yeah, I know it. DOG WHISTLE. These domestic terrorist groups (BLM in particular) hear the call from 0bama that the police are out to get them so naturally they answer that call knowing that the "master" secretly approves of these murders in the name of "social justice". This morning, BLM (and many white liberals) are celebrating the murders of these cops. America's inner cities have been infected by this racist president who will naturally use these murders to hammer the NRA instead of his racist followers who pulled the triggers. I hope all you libs are happy that you elected this racist street punk who has CERTAINLY set race relations back AT LEAST 50 years. SAD!

[Tom]

Dallas press conference this morning, the dead suspect told them he hated whites, especially white cops.

End of story.

btw, when is UpChuck Schumer going to call for suspension of the right to demonstrate, like he has done for other civil rights?


Cops big mistake last night was cow-towing to the demonstrators by not wearing their body armor - another part of Obama's legacy.

Time for cops nationwide to crank it up a hell of a lot.
People's feeling do not matter in law enforcement.

[JustRalph]

When you see the Dallas Police Chief talk about how great things are in the Dallas Police Dept, don't buy it.

The department is bleeding officers, 50 a month leaving. Huge problems abound. You're looking at a Chief of police and Mayor who have no support from the rank and file.

[classhandicapper]

This is what happens when you have a dimwit for president fanning the flames of resentment and hate by turning the "police" into the bad guys and criminals, rioters, etc... into victims.

This is what happens when the media is in the tank for a dimwitted president and goes right along with him by presenting misleading stats, turning every shooting into a racially motivated crime, giving voices to hucksters like Jackson and Sharpton instead of responsible black voices.

Everyone already understands that there's a racial component to some of the polices shootings and that police departments have to do a better job of recruiting and training. But the media and president have been sowing the seeds of this kind of thing for awhile now.

They seem to understand why it's a mistake for Trump to trash all Muslims or all Mexicans etc... But when the ass wipe in charge wasn't coming to the defense of the vast majority of police officers that do their jobs honorably and fairly when put their lives on the line for all of us, they didn't notice a thing.

At this point, 4 years of lying, corruption, scandal, totalitarian judge appointments, economic incompetence, and whatever other hellish nightmares I haven't even thought of yet under Clinton will seem like an improvement over this imbecile.

[Fager Fan]

I don't know that there's ANY racist element in the police shootings of black people. They gave the stats and more whites are killed by the police. Were those racist? I'm guessing that it's the very, very rare exception that a white cop kills a black guy just because he can and he hates black people. The same for black cops who kill whites. Logic tells me they're in a high stress situation and fear causes the reaction, which sometimes can be an overreaction.

I'd far more believe there are arrogant cops out there who may like abusing thei position by being mouthy and abusive and arrogant. But killing someone just because they hate a race? They know that brings with it trouble, maybe even murder charges, I highly doubt it and I've never seen any evidence of it.

[Inner Dirt]

It's not just Obama, the DOJ and the press. Race relations being so terrible is also the fault of all the people who label everyone and everything racist. All have been fanning the flames for years. Good leaders don't fan flames. MLK didn't fan flames, and blacks haven't had a leader since him who didn't fan flames. Obama had the golden opportunity to be a great leader to blacks but he blew it. Didn't just blow it, but made things worse for blacks and all of us.

"Racist" needs to be stricken from our language. This is the result of irresponsible people fanning the flames.

I forgot to give credit to Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. Oddly all the responsible law abiding black people I have known lately don't like either one of those guys. I think their followers come mostly from the lower rungs of society.

[burnsy]

I don't know that there's ANY racist element in the police shootings of black people. They gave the stats and more whites are killed by the police. Were those racist? I'm guessing that it's the very, very rare exception that a white cop kills a black guy just because he can and he hates black people. The same for black cops who kill whites. Logic tells me they're in a high stress situation and fear causes the reaction, which sometimes can be an overreaction.

I'd far more believe there are arrogant cops out there who may like abusing thei position by being mouthy and abusive and arrogant. But killing someone just because they hate a race? They know that brings with it trouble, maybe even murder charges, I highly doubt it and I've never seen any evidence of it.

Those are the two reasons these things happen. Cops that should not be cops and the "bad apples" that just use the power to abuse ANYONE. The one in Minnesota should of never been hired. The guy looked like he shit his pants. How can you hire someone that is scared of people that are different? An American cop has to deal with every group out there. The look on his face tells you he should of never been hired and should of never passed the academy. He was just an "incompetent" with a loaded weapon.

American exceptionalism at its finest. We are laughable to brag about our screwed up society. No one wants to admit we are approaching the verge of dysfunction. Look out for that evil ISIS....they hate us for our freedom........the freedom that we are squandering away because we can't even get along with ourselves.....

When society gets willfully "dumbed down", these are the results. We are slowly becoming "exceptional spoiled idiots"....the truth hurts so the corporations and government will scare you with the ISIS talk while we kill each other in public like the animals we claim to be warring with......its just brilliant.... :bang:

[Saratoga_Mike]

Yes, this is clearly tied to the concept of American Exceptionalism. :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

Those are the two reasons these things happen. Cops that should not be cops and the "bad apples" that just use the power to abuse ANYONE. The one in Minnesota should of never been hired. The guy looked like he shit his pants. How can you hire someone that is scared of people that are different? An American cop has to deal with every group out there. The look on his face tells you he should of never been hired and should of never passed the academy. He was just an "incompetent" with a loaded weapon.

Wow, you can derive a complete psychological profile about a man under probably the worse stress of his life just from one crappy little film clip.

You must be psychic. Wait, I'm not sure I spelled that right. :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

A #BLM protester tells how cops saved his life.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/blm-protester-says-dallas-police-saved-life-video/

[Tom]

I'd far more believe there are arrogant cops out there who may like abusing thei position by being mouthy and abusive and arrogant. But killing someone just because they hate a race? They know that brings with it trouble, maybe even murder charges, I highly doubt it and I've never seen any evidence of it.

Well, we know for sure that was reason of one of the shooters last night.
When is the demonstration for that?

[classhandicapper]

I don't know that there's ANY racist element in the police shootings of black people.

In most cases it's not probably premeditated hate or racism.

They often police high crime areas. God only knows what they see day in and day out. So they may overreact specifically when dealing with blacks compared to whites.

[Clocker]

Obama's response to the shootings in Minnesota and Dallas were his standard and predictable empty rhetoric.

He said he didn't have all the fact, but proceeded to give his opinions any way.

He blamed racial disparity and bias, especially in the law enforcement system. (Without, of course, mentioning it has gotten worse under his administration.)

But regardless of the outcome of such investigations, what's clear is that these fatal shootings are not isolated incidents. They are symptomatic of the broader challenges within our criminal justice system, the racial disparities that appear across the system year after year, and the resulting lack of trust that exists between law enforcement and too many of the communities they serve.

"To admit we’ve got a serious problem in no way contradicts our respect and appreciation for the vast majority of police officers who put their lives on the line to protect us every single day. It is to say that, as a nation, we can and must do better to institute the best practices that reduce the appearance or reality of racial bias in law enforcement.



And the usual call for more gun controls. :rolleyes:

[classhandicapper]

Do you think that the below statement by Obama a few hours ago inspired today's violence against the police.



https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/07/07/president-obama-fatal-shootings-alton-sterling-and-philando-castile

His overall statements yesterday weren't too bad, but his sympathies lie more with rioters and protesters than all the great cops out there.

"But regardless of the outcome of such investigations, what's clear is that these fatal shootings are not isolated incidents. They are symptomatic of the broader challenges within our criminal justice system, the racial disparities that appear across the system year after year, and the resulting lack of trust that exists between law enforcement and too many of the communities they serve."


It's the complete opposite of his position on terrorism.

Muslim extremists are blowing people up, shooting them, beheading them, raping women etc... both in their own countries and where they have immigrated, but he can't stop telling us that these are just a handful of bad guys perverting his religion (I used 'his" because I believe that's where his sympathies are) and we should invite these refugees to the US.

In one case it's a few bad apples (a few bad apples that make up hundreds of thousands of active terrorists and 10s of million of supporters aggressively trying to kill people) and in the other case he thinks it's more of a systematic problem even though it's obvious none of these cops wake up in the morning thinking they are going to kill a black man.

It should be the other way around.

[boxcar]

Really not worthy of a reply, but I'm biting.

Scum like yourself always has an ax to grind.
Even in the midst of tragedy, when all that matters
is that those cops survive and recover, and that
the shooter is caught and brought to justice.

Climb back under your rock, why don't ya?

Pray tell: What really matters in your tiny universe? That black racists get their revenge?

[Fager Fan]

Those are the two reasons these things happen. Cops that should not be cops and the "bad apples" that just use the power to abuse ANYONE. The one in Minnesota should of never been hired. The guy looked like he shit his pants. How can you hire someone that is scared of people that are different? An American cop has to deal with every group out there. The look on his face tells you he should of never been hired and should of never passed the academy. He was just an "incompetent" with a loaded weapon.

American exceptionalism at its finest. We are laughable to brag about our screwed up society. No one wants to admit we are approaching the verge of dysfunction. Look out for that evil ISIS....they hate us for our freedom........the freedom that we are squandering away because we can't even get along with ourselves.....

When society gets willfully "dumbed down", these are the results. We are slowly becoming "exceptional spoiled idiots"....the truth hurts so the corporations and government will scare you with the ISIS talk while we kill each other in public like the animals we claim to be warring with......its just brilliant.... :bang:

What do you mean when talking of being scared of someone "different"? Are you talking about skin color or being basically a street person who has an illegal gun?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Pray tell: What really matters in your tiny universe? That black racists get their revenge?



all that matters is that those cops survive and recover, and that the shooter is caught and brought to justice.

I put it all on one line so you dont have to read it in limerick format.

[Ocala Mike]

The three in custody are not cooperating.
Time to water board, or whatever it takes.


I'm thinking strategic placement of those robobombs that they blew the other guy away with, Tom.

One of those up my ass with, say, your little monkey at the switch, would certainly work to get me to talk!

[Tom]

Yes.......great idea......welcome to the Jungle!

[boxcar]

In all honesty, If someone were to ask if race relations today was worse than it was 8 yrs ago, you'd have to say yes. No question about it

Is Obama to blame. Maybe not but he darn sure hasn't helped. This is just very disappointing. Very disappointing

El Rushbo predicted unequivocally prior to the '08 election that if BO got elected race relations in this country would go south. As usual, he was right.

[boxcar]

It's difficult to make too many conclusions till we know for sure who these shooters are and where they're from. ISIS would love nothing more than to take out a bunch of cops and create more mayhem and tension within the American public.

There is an unholy, demon-inspired marriage that will soon take place, if it hasn't already -- ISIS and the black militants in this country. Look out, America!

[Marshall Bennett]

One of the guest on Fox News early this morning commented that blacks will be clapping and cheering over this tragedy. I'm sure he didn't mean all blacks.
I'm sure Beyonce for one will be overwhelmed with joy. I'm sure when they heard the words of the killer spoken by the police chief brought smiles as well.
Is it no wonder racism is worse than it's ever been in this country with shit like this? There's not 1 doubt in my mind either that the majority of blacks are enjoying what's unfolding. Whites must remain silent thought, if we mention any of it we're deemed racist. Well okay then, I'm racist. :)

[PhantomOnTour]

One of the guest on Fox News early this morning commented that blacks will be clapping and cheering over this tragedy. I'm sure he didn't mean all blacks.
I'm sure Beyonce for one will be overwhelmed with joy. I'm sure when they heard the words of the killer spoken by the police chief brought smiles as well.
Is it no wonder racism is worse than it's ever been in this country with shit like this? There's not 1 doubt in my mind either that the majority of blacks are enjoying what's unfolding. Whites must remain silent thought, if we mention any of it we're deemed racist. Well okay then, I'm racist. :)
Well, if Marshall Bennett is sure can there be any doubt?

[Marshall Bennett]

Might also mention that the frustrations shared on this board by both liberals and conservatives, is being echoed in a huge way all over the country. Mostly by white people. It's really getting bad, folks.

[highnote]

The Dallas P.D. used a robobomb to kill the suspect. That's the first time I've heard of a police dept using a robotic device to kill someone.

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

His overall statements yesterday weren't too bad, but his sympathies lie more with rioters and protesters than all the great cops out there.

"But regardless of the outcome of such investigations, what's clear is that these fatal shootings are not isolated incidents. They are symptomatic of the broader challenges within our criminal justice system, the racial disparities that appear across the system year after year, and the resulting lack of trust that exists between law enforcement and too many of the communities they serve."



"regardless of the outcome of such investigations"

Based on Obama's track history of shooting off his mouth to side with black people (starting with the embarrassment with the Massachusetts professor incident) before knowing anything, he had better add that caveat before his statement.

" and the resulting lack of trust that exists between law enforcement and too many of the communities they serve." I blame Obama as much as anyone else for what is going on.


While Obama never said black men should take to the streets killing cops, he and other so-called black leaders set the tone that the police are evil, and some weak minded idiots interpreted those words to commit murder.


Maybe the FACTS will show that the police officers are 100% to blame in Baton Rouge and Minnesota. If so, they should face the highest penalties allowed by law. But as is usually the case, they acted properly.

Is it possible that because of the likes of Black Lives Matters, police are more jumpy around black people? Based on what is going on, if you were a police officer, would you respond to a 911 call in a black neighborhood at night?

I sure wouldn't. But if you know police men and women, you know most of them will. Risking their lives to protect all of us regardless the color of our skin is what they signed up for.

[classhandicapper]

Might also mention that the frustrations shared on this board by both liberals and conservatives, is being echoed in a huge way all over the country. Mostly by white people. It's really getting bad, folks.

It's not just in the US (although this specific police issue may be). The economy of virtually every western democracy, Japan, China, and Latin America is in dire straits because of the promises made by liberals for social programs that can't be met, an unsound monetary system, Keynesian economic philosophy, the globalist agenda etc... The left and Wall St in combination have literally destroyed the goose that laid the golden egg.

There is no way out of this mess that I can even imagine.

Central bankers are desperate trying anything they can think of to salvage the current system (QE infinity, progressively more negative rates, etc..).

The only question is when and how it will collapse so we can start over.

The smartest people KNOW IT and many others sense it because their standards of living are declining, they feel less safe, etc... It all feeds into the frustration and anger.

[highnote]

Based on what is going on, if you were a police officer, would you respond to a 911 call in a black neighborhood at night?

Black neighborhood (or white neighborhood, or latino neighborhood, or muslim neighborhood or Chinese neighborhood). Therein lies the problem. Until the United States is fully integrated and there is no such thing as a neighborhood segregated by race, race problems will continue to exist.

My immediate neighborhood (the 20 or so houses within 500 feet of me) has White (English, Italian, German and Polish), Indian (from India), Hispanic and Haitian people and probably others I'm forgetting. People range from dark black skin to very light skin. Everyone is friendly. Just hard working people trying to raise their families.

[PaceAdvantage]

Those are the two reasons these things happen. Cops that should not be cops and the "bad apples" that just use the power to abuse ANYONE. The one in Minnesota should of never been hired. The guy looked like he shit his pants. How can you hire someone that is scared of people that are different? An American cop has to deal with every group out there. The look on his face tells you he should of never been hired and should of never passed the academy. He was just an "incompetent" with a loaded weapon.

American exceptionalism at its finest. We are laughable to brag about our screwed up society. No one wants to admit we are approaching the verge of dysfunction. Look out for that evil ISIS....they hate us for our freedom........the freedom that we are squandering away because we can't even get along with ourselves.....

When society gets willfully "dumbed down", these are the results. We are slowly becoming "exceptional spoiled idiots"....the truth hurts so the corporations and government will scare you with the ISIS talk while we kill each other in public like the animals we claim to be warring with......its just brilliant.... :bang:Not making excuses here for the cop in this case...not at all...but, do you really think the look on his face had to do with the guy being black, and not that the guy told him he had a gun?

You think maybe that's the thing that put the "look on his face," as you so eloquently put it?

****ing everything has to be about race, and Dallas is the result.

Thanks Obama for bringing race relations to a new high during your term. :rolleyes:

This was supposed to be one of the benefits of the Obama administration, was it not? What a shit show that has turned out to be.

[Capper Al]

I don't know that there's ANY racist element in the police shootings of black people. They gave the stats and more whites are killed by the police. Were those racist? I'm guessing that it's the very, very rare exception that a white cop kills a black guy just because he can and he hates black people. The same for black cops who kill whites. Logic tells me they're in a high stress situation and fear causes the reaction, which sometimes can be an overreaction.

I'd far more believe there are arrogant cops out there who may like abusing thei position by being mouthy and abusive and arrogant. But killing someone just because they hate a race? They know that brings with it trouble, maybe even murder charges, I highly doubt it and I've never seen any evidence of it.

CNN reported that 2.5 blacks get shoot to 1 white.

[johnhannibalsmith]

..Until the United States is fully integrated and there is no such thing as a neighborhood segregated by race, race problems will continue to exist.

...

I think 'defined by' works a lot better than 'segregated by'. You don't see many Fortune 500 asians or blacks living in Chinatown or Compton.

[Tom]

Is it possible that because of the likes of Black Lives Matters, police are more jumpy around black people? Based on what is going on, if you were a police officer, would you respond to a 911 call in a black neighborhood at night?

BLM is a racist terrorist organization. End of story.
And Obama supports them, lauds them, because he himself is a racist terrorist.

We see in Baltimore the results of cops backing away - black on black murder is skyrocketing. And yet Blacks fall in line behind the scum of the earth - Jackson, Sharpton, Obama, BLM. The choice is their, and if they are happy with the carnage, then o be it. You can't fix stupid. But cops need to have a hierarchy of where they will and will not go on calls. If the cops won't show up, call BLM to come help.

[PaceAdvantage]

CNN reported that 2.5 blacks get shoot to 1 white.Whites are twice as likely to die via police shootings than blacks. According to the most recent CDC data I could find, over the span of more than a decade (1999-2011), 2,151 whites died via being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.

Considering the violent crime rate among blacks is equal to or greater than whites (despite whites making up way more of the population), you would figure more blacks were being shot dead by police. This simply isn't the case. Whites are being killed twice as often...yes, they make up way more of the population, BUT, blacks commit more than their fair share of violent crimes. And, the general consensus is that police are out to kill blacks...you would think the number being shot dead would be higher given this narrative.

These are facts. Do with them what you will.

[Fager Fan]

CNN reported that 2.5 blacks get shoot to 1 white.

I said there are more whites killed by blacks, and that's true. The number is something like 175 and 120. Given that it's the individual incidents that we always point to as examples of bad white cops killing innocent blacks, I believe my number is more relevant than a number that's by percentage of population.

How many of the whites killed by cops in the past two years have generated the publicity of blacks killed by cops? Zero.

[highnote]

You think maybe that's the thing that put the "look on his face," as you so eloquently put it?

We can only speculate, but if the cop would have pulled me over and I told him I had a gun in my car and a license to carry it, he might have viewed me differently because I'm white.

Based on what I've seen, heard and read, it seems like the cop was nervous and shot the driver without ever having seen the driver holding a weapon.

How do you unload four rounds into someone without seeing a weapon?

The driver even warned the cop that he had a gun. What criminal warns a cop that he has a gun? If the guy was a criminal he would want the element of surprise -- would he not?

I might be totally wrong. I'm only speculating about various scenarios that seem plausible. All the facts are not known.

Maybe the cop thought he saw a gun in the driver's hand and felt threatened? Maybe it was totally justifiable to shoot the driver and it was just a tragic accident?

All I can say is that it was a horrible thing watching that video of a person dying.

As horrible as it was, it was no excuse for people to kill 5 cops who were doing their job. Cops should never have worry about snipers while they are doing crowd control.

I can see people losing the right to assemble because it will be too dangerous.

Another freedom guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution could be lost.

[Fager Fan]

Not making excuses here for the cop in this case...not at all...but, do you really think the look on his face had to do with the guy being black, and not that the guy told him he had a gun?

You think maybe that's the thing that put the "look on his face," as you so eloquently put it?

****ing everything has to be about race, and Dallas is the result.

Thanks Obama for bringing race relations to a new high during your term. :rolleyes:

This was supposed to be one of the benefits of the Obama administration, was it not? What a shit show that has turned out to be.

Obama is too arrogant and lacks introspection to ever notice how big of a role he's played in all this. Unless this is what he wants, which is a distinct possibility.

[PaceAdvantage]

We can only speculate, but if the cop would have pulled me over and I told him I had a gun in my car and a license to carry it, he might have viewed me differently because I'm white.

Based on what I've seen, heard and read, it seems like the cop was nervous and shot the driver without ever having seen the driver holding a weapon.

How do you unload four rounds into someone without seeing a weapon?

The driver even warned the cop that he had a gun. What criminal warns a cop that he has a gun? If the guy was a criminal he would want the element of surprise -- would he not?

I might be totally wrong. I'm only speculating about various scenarios that seem plausible. All the facts are not known.

Maybe the cop thought he saw a gun in the driver's hand and felt threatened? Maybe it was totally justifiable to shoot the driver and it was just a tragic accident?

All I can say is that it was a horrible thing watching that video of a person dying.

As horrible as it was, it was no excuse for people to kill 5 cops who were doing their job. Cops should never have worry about snipers while they are doing crowd control.

I can see people losing the right to assemble because it will be too dangerous.

Another freedom guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution could be lost.Like I said, I wasn't making excuses for the cop. Just saying the look on his face was likely due to the fact that this guy that he just pulled over just told him he had a gun. Not likely due to the fact that he was black.

I could be wrong. The cop might be a raving racist and thought, hey, black guy with a gun...I can kill at will. The look on his face might have been orgasmic for all I know.

[Fager Fan]

We can only speculate, but if the cop would have pulled me over and I told him I had a gun in my car and a license to carry it, he might have viewed me differently because I'm white.

Based on what I've seen, heard and read, it seems like the cop was nervous and shot the driver without ever having seen the driver holding a weapon.

How do you unload four rounds into someone without seeing a weapon?

The driver even warned the cop that he had a gun. What criminal warns a cop that he has a gun? If the guy was a criminal he would want the element of surprise -- would he not?

I might be totally wrong. I'm only speculating about various scenarios that seem plausible. All the facts are not known.

Maybe the cop thought he saw a gun in the driver's hand and felt threatened? Maybe it was totally justifiable to shoot the driver and it was just a tragic accident?

All I can say is that it was a horrible thing watching that video of a person dying.

As horrible as it was, it was no excuse for people to kill 5 cops who were doing their job. Cops should never have worry about snipers while they are doing crowd control.

I can see people losing the right to assemble because it will be too dangerous.

Another freedom guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution could be lost.

You're taking the word of the girlfriend in a lot of your statements.

[Tom]

Thanks Obama for bringing race relations to a new high during your term. :rolleyes:

This was supposed to be one of the benefits of the Obama administration, was it not? What a shit show that has turned out to be.

Homicide rates in 6 major cities has skyrocketed during his reign of terror.
His own DOJ reports last year CLEARLY disprove every lie this turd has told about cops, and every lie the MSM has broadcast about the fictitious cops' war on Blacks. The data shows cops are more hesitant to draw a gun on an armed Black man than they are on an armed white man. Obama fanned the flames on this and lied last night on TV.

"War on Cops" Heather McDonald - an antidote to the poisonous lies Obama infects the nation with.

[xtb]

CNN reported that 2.5 blacks get shoot to 1 white.

Perhaps there is a reason why.

http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

[Tom]

I can see people losing the right to assemble because it will be too dangerous. Another freedom guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution could be lost.

Not as long we keep and bear arms.

[highnote]

I think 'defined by' works a lot better than 'segregated by'. You don't see many Fortune 500 asians or blacks living in Chinatown or Compton.

Economics is definitely a factor.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Capper Al CNN reported that 2.5 blacks get shoot to 1 white.


CNN lies, so where is the data for this.
But here is a fact, straight from the Obama DOJ in April 2015 - white cops shoot less people that Black and Hispanic cops. More Black are sot by Blacks than any other race.

[Tom]

I think 'defined by' works a lot better than 'segregated by'. You don't see many Fortune 500 asians or blacks living in Chinatown or Compton.

It's not economic segregation it is intelligence segregation.

[ElKabong]

Thoughts and prayers go out to the victims families and friends and all of us living in these tragic times.

You're about as good and cool as they come, man. Thank you,

[highnote]

You're taking the word of the girlfriend in a lot of your statements.


I don't know why I taking the time to reply to you. Did you even read my post?

I started it by saying, "We can only speculate."

Then I said, "Based on what I've seen, heard and read..." Never did I say I have seen ALL the facts.

Then I said, "I might be totally wrong. I'm only speculating about various scenarios that seem plausible. All the facts are not known."

Now, are you trolling me, or did you just not take the time to read with comprehension?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Economics is definitely a factor.

As is culture.

Chinatown isn't just a place where a lot of Chinese live. It is where someone that is comfortable in Chinese culture can be surrounded by it. Same for most of these generalizations.

I'm guessing that most of our reasonably educated, middle-class-ish caucasians here would not opt to move to a "black neighborhood". Why not?

I'm guessing that if all else was more or less the same except for racial/ethnic and the ensuing cultural composition, most blacks wouldn't want to move into Beaver Cleaver's neighborhood. Basketball courts and people like me or soccer fields, hockey rinks, and white kids dressed straight out of the J Crew Fall catalog. Why is that?

You can't look at what people do either out of necessity or out of human nature and lay it solely at the feet of some kind of inherent systematic segregation that needs to be remedied to cure racism. None of those things are ever going to happen. The poor will live with the poor, the rich with the rich, similar people with similar people, and racism is going to exist even if you defy all of it by magic.

[ElKabong]

When you see the Dallas Police Chief talk about how great things are in the Dallas Police Dept, don't buy it.

The department is bleeding officers, 50 a month leaving. Huge problems abound. You're looking at a Chief of police and Mayor who have no support from the rank and file.

Cheif Brown for sure has had his critics. People can google what they want and find & decide for themselves. We've had worse here.... But inside the DPD he has detractors

Rawlings seems hellbent on that stupid bridge, and creating committees. Reading Jim Schultze weekly as I do (yeah i know, the Dallas Observer is liberal) I'm not overly impressed w/ the mayor....again, we've had worse.

[MONEY]

There's not 1 doubt in my mind either that the majority of blacks are enjoying what's unfolding. Whites must remain silent thought, if we mention any of it we're deemed racist. Well okay then, I'm racist. :)

From what I know about the shootings of two unarmed black men by cops, I would have to conclude that the shootings were unjustified and that the cops involved in those shooting need to held accountable.

The murders and shootings of cops in Dallas last night was a despicable act committed by black criminals and good Americans of all colors will not celebrate either the murders, or the actions of the miscreants that committed the murders.

It is people like you and Obama that are responsible for the hatred that some Americans show for Americans of different races.

As an American of of Black/Latin descent and a retired police officer, I find your post repulsive.

[highnote]

Now 5 dead officers

I don't have the right words to describe the senselessness of murdering police officers.

In this case it was stupid, racist people who thought it was OK to kill innocent people who were doing their jobs.

Murdering police officers does nothing to solve the problem of black men being killed by police officers. This is like the middle east -- we kill you because you killed one of us. The killing will never end until everyone decides it has to end.

I keep being reminded of the teachings of Jesus. Too many people ignore what he taught.

The story of His life and death are kind of a metaphor for this week. He preached peace and understanding, but was killed in the end.

The driver in the car probably did not get up that morning looking for a fight with a policeman with his girlfriend and daughter in the car.

The Dallas policemen were trying to maintain the peace.

Yet, somehow they all ended up dying.

[Inner Dirt]

BLM is a racist terrorist organization. End of story.
And Obama supports them, lauds them, because he himself is a racist terrorist.

We see in Baltimore the results of cops backing away - black on black murder is skyrocketing. And yet Blacks fall in line behind the scum of the earth - Jackson, Sharpton, Obama, BLM. The choice is their, and if they are happy with the carnage, then o be it. You can't fix stupid. But cops need to have a hierarchy of where they will and will not go on calls. If the cops won't show up, call BLM to come help.

Tom, did you not get the memo that only WHITE people can be racist?

[highnote]

The poor will live with the poor, the rich with the rich, similar people with similar people, and racism is going to exist even if you defy all of it by magic.

It is true that people like other people who are like themselves.

But people have to learn to step outside their comfort zones. That is why last week when my family and I (who are white) traveled to Philadelphia, I chose a "Soul Food" restaurant for us to have dinner at.

I wanted my kids to step outside their comfort zone of eating at restaurants predominately frequented by Caucasian patrons. I want my kids to feel comfortable around all people.

It was delicious! It was a restaurant recommended by Guy Fieri.

[johnhannibalsmith]

It is true that people like other people who are like themselves.

But people have to learn to step outside their comfort zones. That is why last week when my family and I (who are white) traveled to Philadelphia, I chose a "Soul Food" restaurant for us to have dinner at.

I wanted my kids to step outside their comfort zone of eating at restaurants predominately frequented by Caucasian patrons. I want my kids to feel comfortable around all people.

It was delicious! It was a restaurant recommended by Guy Fieri.

Okay good luck solving racism.

[PaceAdvantage]

As an American of of Black/Latin descent and a retired police officer, I find your post repulsive.It's certainly not his first time...

[highnote]

Okay good luck solving racism.

All we can do is try. It won't happen overnight and probably not in my lifetime. But what is the alternative -- try to make things worse?

[Tor Ekman]

All we can do is try. It won't happen overnight and probably not in my lifetime. But what is the alternative -- try to make things worse? You should pose that question to George Soros who is bankrolling many of the groups fomenting racial strife

[Clocker]

But what is the alternative -- try to make things worse?

You mean like Obama? And Eric Holder? And Al Sharpton?

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

Black neighborhood (or white neighborhood, or latino neighborhood, or muslim neighborhood or Chinese neighborhood). Therein lies the problem. Until the United States is fully integrated and there is no such thing as a neighborhood segregated by race, race problems will continue to exist.



That goes back to Ellis Island when Europeans getting off the boat automatically moved near people like themselves. You didn't live in an Irish neighborhood if you were Italian.

[Grits]

All we can do is try. It won't happen overnight and probably not in my lifetime. But what is the alternative -- try to make things worse?

Highnote, but this is a sad commentary in the 21st century, and not in your lifetime? How many decades have we been at this now?

You are going to have to go to greater lengths than exposing your kids to soul food. It's good and all that, but it's seriously limiting.

There's not a restaurant that I could walk into in my city and not see black families dining next to me. ... There simply isn't. And these aren't soul food joints.

[Tom]

That goes back to Ellis Island when Europeans getting off the boat automatically moved near people like themselves. You didn't live in an Irish neighborhood if you were Italian.

Not for very long, anyway!:eek:

[Fager Fan]

I don't know why I taking the time to reply to you. Did you even read my post?

I started it by saying, "We can only speculate."

Then I said, "Based on what I've seen, heard and read..." Never did I say I have seen ALL the facts.

Then I said, "I might be totally wrong. I'm only speculating about various scenarios that seem plausible. All the facts are not known."

Now, are you trolling me, or did you just not take the time to read with comprehension?

I speculate all the time based on credible sources, but hesitate to do so when there's good reason to think the source isn't credible. Call that trolling if it makes you feel better.

[Fager Fan]

From what I know about the shootings of two unarmed black men by cops, I would have to conclude that the shootings were unjustified and that the cops involved in those shooting need to held accountable.

The murders and shootings of cops in Dallas last night was a despicable act committed by black criminals and good Americans of all colors will not celebrate either the murders, or the actions of the miscreants that committed the murders.

It is people like you and Obama that are responsible for the hatred that some Americans show for Americans of different races.

As an American of of Black/Latin descent and a retired police officer, I find your post repulsive.

Unarmed? Both were armed. The one in Louisiana was accused of threatening a homeless man with a gun, in fact, which is why the police were called.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by highnote All we can do is try. It won't happen overnight and probably not in my lifetime. But what is the alternative -- try to make things worse?

You can only solve it for yourself.
After that, you call out the thugs and liars, the Obama's of the world, and try to educate those who are too ignorant to know what is going on.
Good luck with that.

[johnhannibalsmith]

All we can do is try. It won't happen overnight and probably not in my lifetime. But what is the alternative -- try to make things worse?

I just don't even begin to grasp what your anecdote about taking kids out to eat soul food is doing to solve the problem. You can't tell people that 'they need to' do this or that. And while it is easy to tell caucasians to eat chinese or soul food, good luck telling Mexicans to eat chicken parm or blacks to eat dead raw fish or whatever else is going to move us farther along as a united people. It might work one way, but it won't work in every direction. Most minorities are proud of their heritage and customs and being told that 'they need to' participate in the stereotype customs of other cultures for the good of race relations just doesn't seem like a real plausible path to enlightenment.

[highnote]

You can only solve it for yourself.

That's true. After that you can try to be persuasive and set an example for others to follow -- like Jesus. But we both know trying to do what Jesus did is not easy -- and it didn't end well for him on Earth.

[highnote]

I just don't even begin to grasp what your anecdote about taking kids out to eat soul food is doing to solve the problem.

For one, they never had soul food before.

It seems pretty obvious to me that by teaching my kids from an early age to appreciate all cultures that they will hopefully be more tolerant, understanding, and appreciative of other people.

Doesn't it seem like a better idea to let them explore other cultures than to keep them sheltered from them?

[Fager Fan]

For one, they never had soul food before.

It seems pretty obvious to me that by teaching my kids from an early age to appreciate all cultures that they will hopefully be more tolerant, understanding, and appreciative of other people.

Doesn't it seem like a better idea to let them explore other cultures than to keep them sheltered from them?

It did sound awfully trivial and therefore funny, but your point is valid enough. It'd be better though if you didn't go to a soul food restaurant to teach about the races but instead because you like the food. It's when you intermingle with other races without thinking about their race that you're being truly blind to race.

[Capper Al]

Whites are twice as likely to die via police shootings than blacks. According to the most recent CDC data I could find, over the span of more than a decade (1999-2011), 2,151 whites died via being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.

Considering the violent crime rate among blacks is equal to or greater than whites (despite whites making up way more of the population), you would figure more blacks were being shot dead by police. This simply isn't the case. Whites are being killed twice as often...yes, they make up way more of the population, BUT, blacks commit more than their fair share of violent crimes. And, the general consensus is that police are out to kill blacks...you would think the number being shot dead would be higher given this narrative.

These are facts. Do with them what you will.

Let's say 60% of the population is white and 10% is black. Using your numbers for it to be fair you would need 6 times a black death to match the whites. Look at the numbers again. Does it look like 6 times to you? It looks like 2.5 which CNN reported. If you're black you have about 2.5 more of a chance of getting shot by a police officer than a white person. This doesn't make what happened okay, but it defines the problem.

[johnhannibalsmith]

For one, they never had soul food before.

It seems pretty obvious to me that by teaching my kids from an early age to appreciate all cultures that they will hopefully be more tolerant, understanding, and appreciative of other people.

Doesn't it seem like a better idea to let them explore other cultures than to keep them sheltered from them?

There's nothing wrong with it but we've been basically doing that since the civil rights days - people becoming more integrated, people venturing out of their comfort zones to try things from other cultures, hell, we even see a lot of interracial marriages. I don't see how you can deny that over the last half-century exactly what you are trying to illustrate HAS been happening. And yet, all I'm reading about is how race relations have never been worse and we need to do something about racism.

Maybe the reality is that those of us that get it and do the things that you describe have done it because we want to. And the ones that haven't, don't want to and won't. Either it really isn't the fix that we'd like to believe that it is or when you say 'not in my lifetime' you mean more like unlikely in the lifetime of our species.

[Fager Fan]

Let's say 60% of the population is white and 10% is black. Using your numbers for it to be fair you would need 6 times a black death to match the whites. Look at the numbers again. Does it look like 6 times to you? It looks like 2.5 which CNN reported. If you're black you have about 2.5 more of a chance of getting shot by a police officer than a white person. This doesn't make what happened okay, but it defines the problem.

Aren't blacks at the same percentage regarding criminality? Gangs? Drug users and sellers? So doesn't it just make sense they're also at a higher rate for getting in deadly scuffles with law enforcement?

More whites have been killed by cops this year than blacks. Which ones got as much notoriety as the publicized black killings? Which ones were labeled racist? Which ones did Obama speak about? Is the answer still zero?

[Grits]

There's nothing wrong with it but we've been basically doing that since the civil rights days - people becoming more integrated, people venturing out of their comfort zones to try things from other cultures, hell, we even see a lot of interracial marriages. I don't see how you can deny that over the last half-century exactly what you are trying to illustrate HAS been happening. And yet, all I'm reading about is how race relations have never been worse and we need to do something about racism.

Maybe the reality is that those of us that get it and do the things that you describe have done it because we want to. And the ones that haven't, don't want to and won't. Either it really isn't the fix that we'd like to believe that it is or when you say 'not in my lifetime' you mean more like unlikely in the lifetime of our species.

Exactly. It can't be stated better.

[classhandicapper]

Don't forget that some blacks are being killed by police officers that are NOT white.

[MONEY]

Unarmed? Both were armed. The one in Louisiana was accused of threatening a homeless man with a gun, in fact, which is why the police were called.
So I made a mistake, still I didn't see a reason for the shooting. Believe me I made at least 5000 car stops in my carrier and backed up on another 5000. Some of those car stops ended with the arrest of armed felons (guns, shot guns, knives etc) and or murderers. Thankfully I only came across one suicidal/homicidal crazy/jerk. In that case I was able to wrestle a sawed off shotgun away from an idiot that I jumped on while he was reaching for it.

Resisting arrest with a gun in your pocket is not justification for getting shot.
I am not an eye witness, nor have I seen the shooting from all possible angles, but from what I saw there was no reason for the shooting.

[Tom]

More Blacks are killed by other Black or Hispanic cops than white cops.
Source: Obama's DOJ, March, 2015.

But don't let facts get in the way. :rolleyes:

[Marshall Bennett]

From what I know about the shootings of two unarmed black men by cops, I would have to conclude that the shootings were unjustified and that the cops involved in those shooting need to held accountable.

The murders and shootings of cops in Dallas last night was a despicable act committed by black criminals and good Americans of all colors will not celebrate either the murders, or the actions of the miscreants that committed the murders.

It is people like you and Obama that are responsible for the hatred that some Americans show for Americans of different races.

As an American of of Black/Latin descent and a retired police officer, I find your post repulsive.
I said the majority of blacks. There are good black people as with all races. One of my better friends is black. He's aware of what's going on in this country, unlike those like you that handpick a few cases as the media does, and then generalize assuming it's the standard. My post could have been written better, but the principle meaning to it I stand by. Black militants gunning down white officers, though its a gross thought, is appealing to most blacks who simply hate white people. You can sugarcoat it all you want to make it appear less severe, but that's how it really is.

[Clocker]

Don't forget that some blacks are being killed by police officers that are NOT white.

The police office in Minnesota was identified as Jeronimo Yanez. My bias is that he is not white.

[mostpost]

CNN reported that 2.5 blacks get shoot to 1 white.
Even more egregious when you consider there are six times as many whites in the country than blacks. Which means you are 15 times more likely to be shot by police if you are black.

[Fager Fan]

So I made a mistake, still I didn't see a reason for the shooting. Believe me I made at least 5000 car stops in my carrier and backed up on another 5000. Some of those car stops ended with the arrest of armed felons (guns, shot guns, knives etc) and or murderers. Thankfully I only came across one suicidal/homicidal crazy/jerk. In that case I was able to wrestle a sawed off shotgun away from an idiot that I jumped on while he was reaching for it.

Resisting arrest with a gun in your pocket is not justification for getting shot.
I am not an eye witness, nor have I seen the shooting from all possible angles, but from what I saw there was no reason for the shooting.

Maybe they shouldn't have been shot, but it's a very important fact that they weren't unarmed and one threatened someone with a gun which is why the cop was there.

If they committed murder, then I hope they pay the price. Often times though with these publicized cases, we hear the evidence at a later date that makes us back up and look at things in a different light. That's why I'm waiting on these two.

I do think we have to give some leeway for fear for one's own life. To live is our strongest instinct.

[mostpost]

More Blacks are killed by other Black or Hispanic cops than white cops.
Source: Obama's DOJ, March, 2015.

But don't let facts get in the way. :rolleyes:
Meaningless unless we know the circumstances of those shootings. A white cop shooting a black man who was stopped (With his girlfriend) for a broken tail light is quite different than a black cop shooting a gang banger in a shootout.

[Tom]

Even more egregious when you consider there are six times as many whites in the country than blacks. Which means you are 15 times more likely to be shot by police if you are black.

The numbers are a lie by CNN.
And when Blacks get shot ,it far more likely to be by Black cops or Hispanic Cops. You sound as dumb as the Kenyan Bigot.
No surprise.

[Marshall Bennett]

It's certainly not his first time...
You're right. From your vantage point I've been a bad boy. A racist. I won't go back to years past and pull up some of those post, but I wish someone would because much of what I posted has come to light. This is your site Mike. Perhaps you're limited as to what you might post because you feel a responsibility with your position not to. You obviously see much what I see from your post, but the line you can cross isn't the same line as the one others might have.
You've threatened to ban me on more than one occasion for being a racist. Go to your dictionary and read the definition of racist. If you label me racist you need to add a lot others to the list too. You agree with the poster that I'm "repulsive". I find the entire race problem we have today repulsive. I do speak from the heart and don't hide anything. Some of my comments may appear repulsive, but from my vantage point, they're all so real. I believe what I say and if that offends you, I apologize, That's not my intention.

[mostpost]

El Rushbo predicted unequivocally prior to the '08 election that if BO got elected race relations in this country would go south. As usual, he was right.
No one has worked harder to ensure that it did happen than Limbaugh. If anyone should be renditioned to a Romanian prison it is him.

[mostpost]

Tom, did you not get the memo that only WHITE people can be racist?
As opposed to your memo that only BLACK people can be racist?

[PaceAdvantage]

Let's say 60% of the population is white and 10% is black. Using your numbers for it to be fair you would need 6 times a black death to match the whites. Look at the numbers again. Does it look like 6 times to you? It looks like 2.5 which CNN reported. If you're black you have about 2.5 more of a chance of getting shot by a police officer than a white person. This doesn't make what happened okay, but it defines the problem.You ignore the fact that Blacks commit more than their fair share of crimes that put them in a situation to violently confront police....way more then their 13+% of the population (your figure is wrong) would make you think.

When you are confronting police in violent situations you are going to get shot at more often.

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

So blacks make up a little over 13% of the US population but commit over HALF of the murders in the USA...and you wonder why blacks are shot by police disproportionate to their population size?

It's because they commit crimes DISPROPORTIONATE to their population size. Cold hard facts from the Department of Justice. Google it.

Whites commit 45.3% of the murders in the USA. Last time I checked, whites were still way above 45.3% of the population.

[Tor Ekman]

Based on the data, it is 18.5 times more likely that a cop will be shot by a black male than it is that a black male will be shot by a cop

[PaceAdvantage]

Even more egregious when you consider there are six times as many whites in the country than blacks. Which means you are 15 times more likely to be shot by police if you are black.Another who refuses to address the elephant in the room.

[Clocker]

Even more egregious when you consider there are six times as many whites in the country than blacks. Which means you are 15 times more likely to be shot by police if you are black.

No, it doesn't mean that. :rolleyes:

The fact that there is a 6 to 1 ratio of whites to blacks is meaningless here. What is relevant is the ratio of whites to blacks regularly engaged in activities likely to result in a confrontation with police, like drug dealing, carrying illegal weapons, running from the cops, etc., particularly in large urban areas.

I don't know what that ratio is, but I would wager that the ratio is significantly lower than 6 to 1.

[Capper Al]

Most of this anti-black criticism is just denial. Aren't the shooters here playing by the second amendment rules. They are using guns to fight off an oppressive government? That's why I'm anti second amendment. I believe that we can use reason rather than bullets to work out our problems.

[Clocker]

No one has worked harder to ensure that it did happen than Limbaugh. If anyone should be renditioned to a Romanian prison it is him.

Honest to god. He's lucky he isn't in the Great White North, where the Royal Canadian Thought Police can arrest people for hate speech. Who does he think he is, speaking out against the regime. :eek:

[PaceAdvantage]

Most of this anti-black criticism is just denial.Actually, the one in denial is the one who refuses to acknowledge that the reason blacks are shot at by police disproportionately to their population size is because they are involved in criminal activity disproportionately to their population size (which places them into confrontations with police disproportionately to their population size and thus gets them shot more often then they should).

Address the problem with black crime and you won't have black people getting shot at more often then they should be by the police.

And there's been no anti-black criticism from me. Just the telling of the cold hard facts which you and mostpost have thus far ignored.

It feels better for you two to spout off about how police are racist and they like to shoot black people more than white people.

[Tom]

No one has worked harder to ensure that it did happen than Limbaugh. If anyone should be renditioned to a Romanian prison it is him.

My God, I have flushed stuff smarter than you are.
Do your read the crap you post?

[tucker6]

There isn't one cop in America on their way to work that thinks that today may be their lucky day and they might get to kill someone. To believe otherwise is to be what you mock most, an idiot.

[Tom]

Most of this anti-black criticism is just denial. Aren't the shooters here playing by the second amendment rules. They are using guns to fight off an oppressive government? That's why I'm anti second amendment. I believe that we can use reason rather than bullets to work out our problems.

Your premise is pure ignorance.
How do you suppose people of intelligence could ever reason with people like you and mostie?

[boxcar]

No, it doesn't mean that. :rolleyes:

The fact that there is a 6 to 1 ratio of whites to blacks is meaningless here. What is relevant is the ratio of whites to blacks regularly engaged in activities likely to result in a confrontation with police, like drug dealing, carrying illegal weapons, running from the cops, etc., particularly in large urban areas.

I don't know what that ratio is, but I would wager that the ratio is significantly lower than 6 to 1.

But here is a meaningful ratio:

The prison population grew by 700 percent from 1970 to 2005, a rate that is outpacing crime and population rates. The incarceration rates disproportionately impact men of color: 1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men.Mar 13, 2012

The good folks at Wiki say that about 35% of inmates are black.

Must be that horribly lopsided legal system we have. Either that or Whites are a lot smarter than folks of color and get away with a lot more crime. :rolleyes:

[boxcar]

That's true. After that you can try to be persuasive and set an example for others to follow -- like Jesus. But we both know trying to do what Jesus did is not easy -- and it didn't end well for him on Earth.

Actually, it did end very well for Him 3 days after it didn't appear things went his way.

[boxcar]

No one has worked harder to ensure that it did happen than Limbaugh. If anyone should be renditioned to a Romanian prison it is him.

And just how did he do that? I thought Obama owned the bully pulpit lock, stock and barrel. Also, Obama didn't have to work at it all. His Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato "theological" training in Wright's church all those years made it easy for him to put into practice his theology of hateful racism that to this day is still spewed by that denomination.

And finally, if what you say about Limbaugh is true, then you have unwittingly admitted what an abject failure Obama has been these last 8 years by allowing a mere "entertainment" radio talk show host to exert more influence on American thinking than Obama has been able to do.

So, stick all this in your hash pipe and puff on it.

[Capper Al]

So I made a mistake, still I didn't see a reason for the shooting. Believe me I made at least 5000 car stops in my carrier and backed up on another 5000. Some of those car stops ended with the arrest of armed felons (guns, shot guns, knives etc) and or murderers. Thankfully I only came across one suicidal/homicidal crazy/jerk. In that case I was able to wrestle a sawed off shotgun away from an idiot that I jumped on while he was reaching for it.

Resisting arrest with a gun in your pocket is not justification for getting shot.
I am not an eye witness, nor have I seen the shooting from all possible angles, but from what I saw there was no reason for the shooting.

Thanks. Real world experience is appreciated.

[PaceAdvantage]

Thanks. Real world experience is appreciated.I don't think anyone on here yet has said there was a good reason for the shooting...either of them...from what they can tell from the evidence presented.

[Capper Al]

Your premise is pure ignorance.
How do you suppose people of intelligence could ever reason with people like you and mostie?

You're just radical. You wouldn't wager your ponies that way. If the grey pony was 6/1 and the black pony was 6/1 with the black pony being 2.5 times more likely than the white pony, you would wager the black pony. But because you have been radicalized, you don't reason.

[Capper Al]

I don't think anyone on here yet has said there was a good reason for the shooting...either of them...from what they can tell from the evidence presented.

Come on. That wasn't why I was thanking him. Those of us who haven't walked the walk, can only speculate.

[Fager Fan]

My God, I have flushed stuff smarter than you are.
:lol:

[JustRalph]

Even more egregious when you consider there are six times as many whites in the country than blacks. Which means you are 15 times more likely to be shot by police if you are black.

It's not true!

[Marshall Bennett]

It's a shame the families of the slain officers are going through what they are now. My prayers are with them and the officers out on the street right now trying to keep order. Each of them must have in the back of their minds that at any moment a bullet might take them down.
A poster earlier mentioned liberals and racism saying the damage is done and there's no turning back. This may or may not be true, but it's definitely worthy of discussing. Add ISIS and Racism together and think about how bad things have really gotten. If a solution isn't found soon, there won't be much joy left to discuss that's for sure.
Blacks account for a lot of blame, but so do white liberals and their socialist agenda. They don't believe in punishment and accountability. Entire large cities such as Detroit are nearly destroyed. There is no inner city left suitable for even sewer rats. There are other cities not fairing much better. There is a reason for this, it just doesn't happen by itself. Politicians are scared to death to address it for fear of being labeled racist, thus ending their careers. If it can't be addressed properly and dealt with from the top down, it will only get worse. I don't see any real answers.

[JustRalph]

So I made a mistake, still I didn't see a reason for the shooting. Believe me I made at least 5000 car stops in my carrier and backed up on another 5000. Some of those car stops ended with the arrest of armed felons (guns, shot guns, knives etc) and or murderers. Thankfully I only came across one suicidal/homicidal crazy/jerk. In that case I was able to wrestle a sawed off shotgun away from an idiot that I jumped on while he was reaching for it.

Resisting arrest with a gun in your pocket is not justification for getting shot.
I am not an eye witness, nor have I seen the shooting from all possible angles, but from what I saw there was no reason for the shooting.

You must have worked traffic detail , that's a ton of stops....
:lol:

Unless they say that dude was trying to fire that gun from inside his pocket, then I agree. It just doesn't look like he could fire it from the video I saw.

I've faced a bunch of guns in cars. Sawed off shotguns and more. Maybe 5 or so that were actually in someone's actual hands. Many though that were concealed on a persons body etc. But a good tactical approach routine wherein you can exit the kill zone the minute it becomes a threat is essential.

[MONEY]

You must have worked traffic detail , that's a ton of stops....
:lol:

Unless they say that dude was trying to fire that gun from inside his pocket, then I agree. It just doesn't look like he could fire it from the video I saw.

I've faced a bunch of guns in cars. Sawed off shotguns and more. Maybe 5 or so that were actually in someone's actual hands. Many though that were concealed on a persons body etc. But a good tactical approach routine wherein you can exit the kill zone the minute it becomes a threat is essential.
You got it, my last 10 years on traffic detail.

I usually held a nightstick high against my chest in my left/week hand as approached the driver. If he/she tried anything he/she would eat wood while I got into a safe position. I got a couple of civilian complaints for doing it, but nobody ever ordered me not to do it.
Like you said, if you do your job tactically correct you rarely have to use any force to get the job done, even when dealing with someone that is armed. Of course nut jobs are the exception, the only way to deal with them is overwhelming force.

[whodoyoulike]

But here is a meaningful ratio:

The prison population grew by 700 percent from 1970 to 2005, a rate that is outpacing crime and population rates. The incarceration rates disproportionately impact men of color: 1 in every 15 African American men and 1 in every 36 Hispanic men are incarcerated in comparison to 1 in every 106 white men.Mar 13, 2012

The good folks at Wiki say that about 35% of inmates are black.

Must be that horribly lopsided legal system we have. Either that or Whites are a lot smarter than folks of color and get away with a lot more crime. :rolleyes:

I would think the unemployment rate among these groups and the inability to get a good paying job because of poor education and lack of opportunity has something to do with your stats.

Many reasons for the poor education and some of it can be attributed to prejudice in the educational system. Lack of opportunity can also be attributed to some prejudice by those hiring.

That's the reason IMO for attempts to correct this "horribly lopsided legal system we have". It's been going on for a long time.

[Fager Fan]

I would think the unemployment rate among these groups and the inability to get a good paying job because of poor education and lack of opportunity has something to do with your stats.

Many reasons for the poor education and some of it can be attributed to prejudice in the educational system. Lack of opportunity can also be attributed to some prejudice by those hiring.

That's the reason IMO for attempts to correct this "horribly lopsided legal system we have". It's been going on for a long time.

Prejudice in the educational system? You mean against whites? I know of none against blacks.

Any serious discussion starts with social issues. The fastest way to poverty is single parenthood, and over 72% of blacks are born out of wedlock.

Start there.

[whodoyoulike]

Prejudice in the educational system? You mean against whites? I know of none against blacks.

Any serious discussion starts with social issues. The fastest way to poverty is single parenthood, and over 72% of blacks are born out of wedlock.

Start there.

Well, there's a lot of prejudice and bigotry being written and hinted even in this thread.

My point was in response to his statistics. To be fair and I don't know what the results would be, but the stats should be based on similar circumstances. His stats are skewed partially because of the two reasons which I mentioned and there are many more even what you had noted is probably a contributory factor.

Even starting where you left off, compare whites born out of wedlock with your statistics. Btw, I don't think being born out of wedlock is a direct path to the poverty which is what you're implying.

How many blacks and hispanics making say $50k per year are incarcerated as whites making the same amount just for comparison purposes?

[Fager Fan]

Well, there's a lot of prejudice and bigotry being written and hinted even in this thread.

My point was in response to his statistics. To be fair and I don't know what the results would be, but the stats should be based on similar circumstances. His stats are skewed partially because of the two reasons which I mentioned and there are many more even what you had noted is probably a contributory factor.

Even starting where you left off, compare whites born out of wedlock with your statistics. Btw, I don't think being born out of wedlock is a direct path to the poverty which is what you're implying.

How many blacks and hispanics making say $50k per year are incarcerated as whites making the same amount just for comparison purposes?


The full impact of unwed birth is finally being widely recognized. After a long period of denial, social scientists began to reach a consensus in the late 1990s that the children of single mothers were doing worse than the children of married mothers on just about every measure they studied: school achievement, poverty, emotional well-being, drug use, delinquency, and graduation rates. Not everyone has been convinced, but the disadvantage that attends growing up with a single mother is no longer controversial or hidden.

Experts have also begun to understand that unwed childbearing is deeply entwined with poverty. Even as the government poured money and effort into the War on Poverty, families were collapsing among black and Hispanic Americans. Family decline among whites, while later in arriving and not as dramatic, is also bringing more families near poverty. Single-parent families are about five times more likely to be poor as married-couple families. Worse, their children are more likely to remain poor. Not coincidentally, by some measures, the United States—the proud land of opportunity—is now actually less economically mobile than once hidebound Europe.

Still, today, non-marital births are even more closely associated with class and education than with race. College-educated women rarely give birth without a husband in tow. The newborn babies of lower-income and less educated women, however, commonly have either no father to greet them or one who is only temporarily living with their mother. The class divide in marriage has led to separate and unequal families, which translate to separate and unequal futures for children.

The rest: http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/07/the-relationship-between-poverty-and-unwed-births/

[Fager Fan]

So, I'll give my plan. What's good about complaining without giving solutions?

Hold meetings with church and social leaders if the black community. Show them the data. Prove to them that unwed motherhood is almost always a direct path to poverty. Stress the importance of women choosing good men who will marry them and support them and their children.

Talk about the other things that are important to being successful. The way one speaks and dresses and presents themselves. Good manners. The disaster that is drugs and dealing and gangs.

Stress the importance of environment and how they can move out of bad areas. Teach them how to teach others to budget to move to a small secure town with a positive environment and more plentiful job opportunities.

Give these leaders the mission to take these lessons back to their communities. It HAS to start there. This isn't something we can throw money at to fix.

I would meet with a number of rich philanthropic minded people to ask them to set up non-profits whose goal is to help pull minorities out of poverty. Similar to the black church leaders, these non-profits will counsel and help with getting set up in new living arrangements, jobs, etc.

I'd meet with businessmen and ask what they need to settle into some urban areas with populations who desperately need jobs. Give them wharever tax breaks or such that they need to go into those areas.

Be a positive force for change.

[Inner Dirt]

The full impact of unwed birth is finally being widely recognized. After a long period of denial, social scientists began to reach a consensus in the late 1990s that the children of single mothers were doing worse than the children of married mothers on just about every measure they studied: school achievement, poverty, emotional well-being, drug use, delinquency, and graduation rates. Not everyone has been convinced, but the disadvantage that attends growing up with a single mother is no longer controversial or hidden.

Experts have also begun to understand that unwed childbearing is deeply entwined with poverty. Even as the government poured money and effort into the War on Poverty, families were collapsing among black and Hispanic Americans. Family decline among whites, while later in arriving and not as dramatic, is also bringing more families near poverty. Single-parent families are about five times more likely to be poor as married-couple families. Worse, their children are more likely to remain poor. Not coincidentally, by some measures, the United States—the proud land of opportunity—is now actually less economically mobile than once hidebound Europe.

Still, today, non-marital births are even more closely associated with class and education than with race. College-educated women rarely give birth without a husband in tow. The newborn babies of lower-income and less educated women, however, commonly have either no father to greet them or one who is only temporarily living with their mother. The class divide in marriage has led to separate and unequal families, which translate to separate and unequal futures for children.

The rest: http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/07/the-relationship-between-poverty-and-unwed-births/

In my small world it seems the lower socioeconomic people I run across seem to average a higher number of children than those that are well to do, that can't be good for crime statistics.

[Fager Fan]

Also, almost 60% of black men will be incarcerated in their lives, wile the number is less than 5% for white men. Being incarcerated is the norm for many blacks. It's also why their can be distrust when cops and citizens cross paths with a population that has a high incidence of criminal and violent behavior.

Black males particularly need proper guidance, and most are being raised without good male role models at home.

[fast4522]

Also, almost 60% of black men will be incarcerated in their lives, wile the number is less than 5% for white men. Being incarcerated is the norm for many blacks. It's also why their can be distrust when cops and citizens cross paths with a population that has a high incidence of criminal and violent behavior.

Black males particularly need proper guidance, and most are being raised without good male role models at home.

Having a job directly affects your chances of not becoming incarcerated, the best way to increase employment is to kill off socialism.

[JustRalph]

The full impact of unwed birth is finally being widely recognized. After a long period of denial, social scientists began to reach a consensus in the late 1990s that the children of single mothers were doing worse than the children of married mothers on just about every measure they studied: school achievement, poverty, emotional well-being, drug use, delinquency, and graduation rates. Not everyone has been convinced, but the disadvantage that attends growing up with a single mother is no longer controversial or hidden.

Experts have also begun to understand that unwed childbearing is deeply entwined with poverty. Even as the government poured money and effort into the War on Poverty, families were collapsing among black and Hispanic Americans. Family decline among whites, while later in arriving and not as dramatic, is also bringing more families near poverty. Single-parent families are about five times more likely to be poor as married-couple families. Worse, their children are more likely to remain poor. Not coincidentally, by some measures, the United States—the proud land of opportunity—is now actually less economically mobile than once hidebound Europe.

Still, today, non-marital births are even more closely associated with class and education than with race. College-educated women rarely give birth without a husband in tow. The newborn babies of lower-income and less educated women, however, commonly have either no father to greet them or one who is only temporarily living with their mother. The class divide in marriage has led to separate and unequal families, which translate to separate and unequal futures for children.

The rest: http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/07/the-relationship-between-poverty-and-unwed-births/

Great post. One of my favorite pieces on the subject.

For the record. Those of you that equate poverty and criminal activity, there's data that goes back to the early 1900's that debunk the theory. Multiple neighborhoods next to each other with the same economic status/income and the crime rate and offender rate being much higher in the black neighborhood. Most recently Larry Elder has written about it in his books. In case your interested

[highnote]

That goes back to Ellis Island when Europeans getting off the boat automatically moved near people like themselves. You didn't live in an Irish neighborhood if you were Italian.


I was just listening to an interview with an Israeli who immigrated here as a young boy with his family back in the late 50s or early 60s. He moved into a poor neighborhood in the Bronx because that's all they could afford.

He said the people living there didn't like having newcomers moving into their neighborhood because the sense of ownership of the neighborhood was all they had.

I'm sure when the Russians and Haitians started immigrating here 20 or 30 years ago to Queens the people they started displacing didn't like it either.

It's an old story that will probably keep repeating itself. But at least in America those immigrants who work hard have a chance at a better life.

If you read about life in Poland and other eastern European countries during the late 1800's you know why people were so willing to come to America and never return to their homelands. They were basically slaves to the aristocracy.

[highnote]

Actually, it did end very well for Him 3 days after it didn't appear things went his way.

Agreed. I hope that JFK, RFK, MLB and every other person who has ever died have had things work out as well as they worked out for Jesus!

[whodoyoulike]

... Still, today, non-marital births are even more closely associated with class and education than with race. College-educated women rarely give birth without a husband in tow. The newborn babies of lower-income and less educated women, however, commonly have either no father to greet them or one who is only temporarily living with their mother. The class divide in marriage has led to separate and unequal families, which translate to separate and unequal futures for children. ...

I think we're saying the same thing that the incarceration and/or poverty rate is not really about race but is related to hard core unemployment and poor education. I was just trying to point it out to Boxcar. If one is going to use stats just make sure they're not misleading.

[Robert Fischer]

Opinions and emotions are healthy to express, but it takes an accurate level of insight to improve a culture.

[highnote]

Highnote, but this is a sad commentary in the 21st century, and not in your lifetime?

I understand it is a sad commentary about race relations in the U.S., but I do not understand what you mean by "not in your lifetime?".

How many decades have we been at this now?

I'd say about 50 decades -- 500 years.

You are going to have to go to greater lengths than exposing your kids to soul food. It's good and all that, but it's seriously limiting.

I gave one example. And several people who have replied seem to think that is the only thing I've ever done. What, do I need to list every thing I've ever done to help race relations?

OK. You want to hear some of my stories of how I'm trying to help? My son plays on a basketball team that is predominantly black because we want him to get outside his comfort zone of only playing with white kids. I have driven countless times into neighborhoods that consist of public housing units to pick up kids and give them a ride to their basketball games and then I might drop them off in a different city because they have to find a different place to stay because they don't really have a home. I buy them meals and gatorade and bottled water. I don't expect to get reimbursed. I coach a lot of youth teams and try to attend a lot of games in the winter where I recruit kids of all races to come and play on my AAU teams in the spring. I oftentimes end up paying for their AAU membership and let them play for free. Families who can afford it pay full fare, but many cannot afford it, but I don't turn them away.

There's not a restaurant that I could walk into in my city and not see black families dining next to me. ... There simply isn't. And these aren't soul food joints.

Well, you're lucky. That's not always the case here.

[highnote]

I could be wrong. The cop might be a raving racist and thought, hey, black guy with a gun...I can kill at will. The look on his face might have been orgasmic for all I know.

If you have read the book "Unbroken" you know that there are people in positions of power who are aroused by violence towards others. So you statement is not outside the realm of possibility.

[highnote]

I'm sure when the Russians and Haitians started immigrating here 20 or 30 years ago to Queens the people they started displacing didn't like it either.

EDIT: Queens and Brooklyn

[highnote]

I posted this yesterday at 2:30am:

I saw some quotes from one of the shooters that was apprehended. He sounded mentally ill.

The shooter used the words "we" and then repeated the same sentence using "I". He sounded like a psychopath -- like he had dual personalities. It was very odd.

Just now I read this quote and it seems to confirm my suspicions:

How Johnson went about the rampage reveals a lot about him, said former FBI profiler Mary Ellen O’Toole.

“This hunting behavior is a very unique violence called instrumental violence, and it is the preferred violence of individuals who manifest traits of psychopathy,” O’Toole told Yahoo News. “It is extremely difficult to negotiate with a psychopath and Dallas police realized that, and realized this shooter was on a mission and was going to continue to kill no matter what they said to him.”

It is clear that mentally ill people should not have weapons. The challenge is how to screen everyone. Maybe people have to take a psychological exam before they can buy certain types of semi-automatic weapons? I don't know what the solution is.

[highnote]

Whatever happened to that guy a few years ago who was on the run in Pennsylvania for trying to kill state troopers?

He was a white guy, if I recall correctly?

It sounds like he would have fit into the same category as the Dallas shooter -- a psychopath engaging in "instrumental violence".

[MutuelClerk]

No one has worked harder to ensure that it did happen than Limbaugh. If anyone should be renditioned to a Romanian prison it is him.

When Rush first started I liked him a lot. Back when I was married ( 20 years ago) I ran to the store. Was listening to him on the radio he said something that pretty much made me never listen to him again. I believe this happened in NYC a little black girl was taken by three or four white kids and she was painted with white paint all over her body. Rush's take? Ohhhhh the horror of that little girl now having to live as a white person and face all the pressure white people face to cure what ails society. It was in very poor taste. He tried making a joke about it but with me it just didn't fly.

[Inner Dirt]

The Dallas police ended a standoff with the gunman suspected of killing five officers with a tactic that by all accounts appears to be unprecedented: It blew him up using a robot.

In doing so, it sought to protect police officers who had negotiated with the man for several hours and had exchanged gunfire with him. But the decision also ignited a debate about the increasing militarization of the police and the remote-controlled use of force, and raised the specter of a new era of policing.



Plucked this out of a New York Daily News article linked from MSN. You have got to be kidding me. People really care how they take out a mass murderer of cops?Just when I think I have heard the most shocking liberal garbage yet, they take it a notch higher.

[boxcar]

The full impact of unwed birth is finally being widely recognized. After a long period of denial, social scientists began to reach a consensus in the late 1990s that the children of single mothers were doing worse than the children of married mothers on just about every measure they studied: school achievement, poverty, emotional well-being, drug use, delinquency, and graduation rates. Not everyone has been convinced, but the disadvantage that attends growing up with a single mother is no longer controversial or hidden.

Experts have also begun to understand that unwed childbearing is deeply entwined with poverty. Even as the government poured money and effort into the War on Poverty, families were collapsing among black and Hispanic Americans. Family decline among whites, while later in arriving and not as dramatic, is also bringing more families near poverty. Single-parent families are about five times more likely to be poor as married-couple families. Worse, their children are more likely to remain poor. Not coincidentally, by some measures, the United States—the proud land of opportunity—is now actually less economically mobile than once hidebound Europe.

Still, today, non-marital births are even more closely associated with class and education than with race. College-educated women rarely give birth without a husband in tow. The newborn babies of lower-income and less educated women, however, commonly have either no father to greet them or one who is only temporarily living with their mother. The class divide in marriage has led to separate and unequal families, which translate to separate and unequal futures for children.

The rest: http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/07/the-relationship-between-poverty-and-unwed-births/

Geesh, who woulda ever thunk that God's plan for sexual relationships that he limited to monogamy actually had merit in more ways than one? What a shocker! :eek:

[boxcar]

Agreed. I hope that JFK, RFK, MLB and every other person who has ever died have had things work out as well as they worked out for Jesus!

That all depends on whether they truly believed the gospel.

[highnote]

That all depends on whether they truly believed the gospel.

Amen, Brother!

[highnote]

Plucked this out of a New York Daily News article linked from MSN[b][i]. You have got to be kidding me. People really care how they take out a mass murderer of cops?Just when I think I have heard the most shocking liberal garbage yet, they take it a notch higher.

I don't see a big difference between shooting the guy with a rifle and blowing him up with a robotic bomb. Both are machines controlled by a human.

It never hurts to discuss these things, though.

The big problem is going to be if computer programming and technologies ever advance to the point where robots can roam the streets autonomously trying to prevent crime. That could be scary -- just like the guy driving a Tesla in autopilot mode who died in a crash when the Tesla didn't recognize the side of truck because it was a similar color of the sky. The Tesla slammed into it.

But maybe society will be accepting of autonomous robots patrolling society and accept the risk that, on average, only one innocent person will die by an autonomous robot per year, as opposed to, say, human police officers killing 5 innocent people per year.

(I made those numbers up just to illustrate a point.)

[Inner Dirt]

I don't see a big difference between shooting the guy with a rifle and blowing him up with a robotic bomb. Both are machines controlled by a human.

It never hurts to discuss these things, though.

The big problem is going to be if computer programming and technologies ever advance to the point where robots can roam the streets autonomously trying to prevent crime. That could be scary -- just like the guy driving a Tesla in autopilot mode who died in a crash when the Tesla didn't recognize the side of truck because it was a similar color of the sky. The Tesla slammed into it.

But maybe society will be accepting of autonomous robots patrolling society and accept the risk that, on average, only one innocent person will die by an autonomous robot per year, as opposed to, say, human police officers killing 5 innocent people per year.

(I made those numbers up just to illustrate a point.)

The issue wasn't concern over using a robot. It was the militarization of police and the fact they used a bomb that was designed to kill, which eliminated any chance of taking him alive. I don't understand how anyone can have concern over how someone brazen enough to mass murder cops is taken out. My only concern would be for the poor person that has to collect the remains and the one cleaning up the mess.

[Marshall Bennett]

I don't see a big difference between shooting the guy with a rifle and blowing him up with a robotic bomb. Both are machines controlled by a human.

It never hurts to discuss these things, though.

The big problem is going to be if computer programming and technologies ever advance to the point where robots can roam the streets autonomously trying to prevent crime. That could be scary --
I don't see it going that far. Robots are unable to think rationally. The advance of technology is dangerous in many directions, computers and social media being two, but i wouldn't include patrolling robots.
The New York Times is notoriously far left. They'll find a way to give rights to anyone they like, even scumbag shit like this character. It's a more flagrant deranged example shared by most liberals that all humans have the same rights, regardless the circumstances. The liberal media and dirtbag publications like the Times are a large part of why we're where we are today, both with terrorism and racism. They stir emotions in people and cause them to react to it. It's not rocket science either, it's as plain as day and a shame more don't understand it. There's a large portion of liberals that that actually do, but due to their bottom-level moral standards, really don't give a rat's ass.

[Racey]

This is as old as it gets listen close when a cop gives you a directive you LISTEN & FOLLOW THE OFFICERS INSTRUCTIONS....oh yea put your Phone down and stop recording...Stop resisting and have respect for authority. Maybe Obama needs to tell the folks this....might save some lives instead of a gun control rant


that is all...

[highnote]

The issue wasn't concern over using a robot. It was the militarization of police and the fact they used a bomb that was designed to kill, which eliminated any chance of taking him alive. I don't understand how anyone can have concern over how someone brazen enough to mass murder cops is taken out. My only concern would be for the poor person that has to collect the remains and the one cleaning up the mess.

It would have been more desirable to take him alive than to kill him if there was a high probability that they could take him alive before he killed anyone else. It would be good to know if he was mentally ill or if he was militant. There is a big difference. Or there may have been a thousand other things to consider about him.

Bottom line... if he was a risk to kill more people then there was very little choice and not much time to make the decision.

But I know you get that.

I can understand that there are some people who would not want to see him blown to bits. Maybe someone like Amish people or Jesuit priests, but that's a whole other topic of discussion.

[Fager Fan]

Obama was just on (still is but couldn't listen any longer). He said some right things like praising cops in general and that we're all one, white and black, but then he blamed the apprehension of police as being a gun control issue. He won't talk about the crime rate and violence of black males who are holding those guns. He talked about stopping inflammatory rhetoric but didn't call out the racist and inflammatory language of BLM (and I say racist unequivobly when the rhetoric was "damn white America"). He showed his total lack of introspection yet again when he condemned the police officers who killed the black men yet again.

Obama refuses to be a real leader of black people and supports agitation. I am planning on having a party to celebrate this guy leaving office. He has been a total disaster.

[Inner Dirt]

It would have been more desirable to take him alive than to kill him if there was a high probability that they could take him alive before he killed anyone else. It would be good to know if he was mentally ill or if he was militant. There is a big difference. Or there may have been a thousand other things to consider about him.

Bottom line... if he was a risk to kill more people then there was very little choice and not much time to make the decision.

But I know you get that.

I can understand that there are some people who would not want to see him blown to bits. Maybe someone like Amish people or Jesuit priests, but that's a whole other topic of discussion.

The benefit to taking him alive is nil compared to the risk. Please tell me when and where taking a brazen mass murderer alive has taught us anything that prevented future trouble. Once in custody the guy has nothing to lose, so he is a risk to anyone he comes in contact with. I have a friend who works in a state mental hospital who has more than filled me in on what happens to those killers demeaned mentally ill and unfit to stand trial. These days you pretty much can't even put them in restraints, and they sleep in open dorms, free to easily assault staff and other patients who have committed lesser crimes. If he goes to the state pen as a cop killer he is a hero to other inmates. Glad they blew his sorry ass up. It saved the tax payers a lot of money and he no longer is putting others at risk.

[Inner Dirt]

.

Obama refuses to be a real leader of black people and supports agitation. I am planning on having a party to celebrate this guy leaving office. He has been a total disaster.

I will skip the celebration as I find the hag who will replace him just as pathetic, but in a different way.

[Fager Fan]

I will skip the celebration as I find the hag who will replace him just as pathetic, but in a different way.

I think Trump will win, so not considering that. I'll still celebrate Obama being gone though even if Hillary wins. Spending the next day crying or not will be the difference.

[highnote]

Glad they blew his sorry ass up.

I am never glad that someone died no matter how much it had to happen. It might be a lesser of evils outcome, but not something I would be glad about.

I am glad that he could not kill anyone else.

[ArlJim78]

Sniper "I want to kill white people. I want to kill white cops."

Obama "I think it's very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter"

[Clocker]

Obama "I think it's very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter"

Not to anyone with an I.Q. above room temperature. :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Just like the Racist lied about the Ferguson shooting.
And how he is so sure we can trust the Iranians.

Obama is a disease.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Sniper "I want to kill white people. I want to kill white cops."

Obama "I think it's very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter"

He definitely excels at playing stupid.

[Inner Dirt]

Sniper "I want to kill white people. I want to kill white cops."

Obama "I think it's very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter"

That is so stupid I thought you guys were making that up, I had to Google. I would like to see his blind supporters defend that BS.

[Greyfox]

Obama "I think it's very hard to untangle the motives of this shooter"

But it takes sheer genius to say something that stupid!

[davew]

From what I know about the shootings of two unarmed black men by cops, I would have to conclude that the shootings were unjustified and that the cops involved in those shooting need to held accountable.

.

if they have a gun on them, does that make them unarmed? what does it take to be armed?

[MONEY]

if they have a gun on them, does that make them unarmed? what does it take to be armed?
I already confessed a few posts ago that I made a mistake. I also said that I am not an eye witness, so I can only go by the little that I know. I am always armed with a gun, does that mean that I should be shot by the police?

[Tom]

But it takes sheer genius to say something that stupid!

Obama announced today that the FBI and DOJ have identified the shooter as Badge Man, the suspect behind the fence atop the grassy knoll.

[newtothegame]

I already confessed a few posts ago that I made a mistake. I also said that I am not an eye witness, so I can only go by the little that I know. I am always armed with a gun, does that mean that I should be shot by the police?
If you had previously brandished it and threatened someone, (the reason for the cops being called), then, resisted arrest after being tazed, get into a scuffle with the cops on the ground, ummmmmmm possibly!!!!

[Inner Dirt]

Congressional Black Caucus Blames Republicans For Dallas Massacre (http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/08/congressional-black-caucus-blames-republicans-for-dallas-massacre/)


How pathetic is that?

[Fager Fan]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_Mrx2uA0s

"God damn white America!"

"Pigs in a blanket... Fry 'em up!"

All sorts of hateful rhetoric that would immediately shut down any white organization.

If blacks want equality (and women want equality) then that means being treated just like whites (and men).

This shooter told exactly his reason for doing what he did. Obama instead said we may never untangle why he did it. No charge of what was clearly a hate crime. No announcement that the DOJ is investigating.

No one seems to have the sense to treat everyone equally to move towards equality. That means calling out BLM as the hate group it is.

[Clocker]

Super-moonbat Sally Kohn of CNN blames the police.

How's about instead of blaming protest movements for violence against police, we blame policing for violence that necessitated protests?!?

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/08/sally-kohn-stop-blaming-black-lives-matter-the-way-i-blame-pro-lifers/

[Tom]

Congressional Black Caucus Blames Republicans For Dallas Massacre (http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/08/congressional-black-caucus-blames-republicans-for-dallas-massacre/)


How pathetic is that?

No difference between the Black Caucus and the KKK.
BC is a racist organization sanction by the 4th Reich Government.
They direct the street thugs know as BLM.

[JustRalph]

Do they not make fire hoses anymore?

[zico20]

Congressional Black Caucus Blames Republicans For Dallas Massacre (http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/08/congressional-black-caucus-blames-republicans-for-dallas-massacre/)


How pathetic is that?

I think I have a solution for this all. Pass a constitutional amendment outlawing minorities from owning a gun. Make it a felony punishable up to life in prison for any white person to give or sell a minority a gun. Gun control at its finest, problem solved. :jump:

[horses4courses]

I think I have a solution for this all. Pass a constitutional amendment outlawing minorities from owning a gun. Make it a felony punishable up to life in prison for any white person to give or sell a minority a gun. Gun control at its finest, problem solved. :jump:

Funny how anyone reading in this forum for the first time would
think that you're being sarcastic, and couldn't possibly be serious.

I know better, though.
Bunch of racist thugs in here. :ThmbDown:

[Clocker]

Not only is the administration unable to 'untangle the motives of this shooter', they can't figure out if it was a hate crime. :faint:

Which of course brings up the stupidity of the concept of 'hate crime'. If you kill a cop, it is worse if it was because of hate? Under this administration, intent seems to matter more than action. Kill a cop, plead the 'Hillary Defense'.

During a Sunday morning interview with CBS’s John Dickerson, Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson stated though Dallas shooter Micah Johnson told hostage negotiators he “wanted to kill white people, especially white police officers,” “it’s still early” to qualify his actions as a hate crime.

“You said there’s no link to a terrorist organization here, but the shooting in Dallas was by any definition terrorism and a hate crime, wasn’t it?” posed Dickerson.

“Well, there’s still an investigation being conducted by the Dallas police department and the FBI supported by many resources from the local government and the federal government,” Johnson responded. “So it’s still early.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/10/dhs-secretary-its-still-early-to-call-dallas-attack-a-hate-crime-video/#ixzz4E1Lz85OD

[rastajenk]

Since he's a recent vet, it could be a case of Delayed Post-Traumatic Workplace Violence syndrome.

[Clocker]

Bunch of racist thugs in here. :ThmbDown:

Include yourself in there. According to your presumptive queen, everyone in America is racist.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/07/09/hillary-all-us-are-racist (http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/07/09/hillary-all-us-are-racist)

[johnhannibalsmith]

I thought that based on the handbook just using the word 'thugs' meant as much.

[Marshall Bennett]

Do they not make fire hoses anymore?
They do, but they would be considered weapons as well wouldn't they? Might as well spray them with gunfire.
After protesting continuously for 24 hours, however, the fire hose would definitely make the area smell better. :)

[Tom]

I thought that based on the handbook just using the word 'thugs' meant as much.


Some has tried to hijack the language, but I call a pig a pig.

[JustRalph]

I think I have a solution for this all. Pass a constitutional amendment outlawing minorities from owning a gun. Make it a felony punishable up to life in prison for any white person to give or sell a minority a gun. Gun control at its finest, problem solved. :jump:


Funny how anyone reading in this forum for the first time would
think that you're being sarcastic, and couldn't possibly be serious.

I know better, though.
Bunch of racist thugs in here. :ThmbDown:

If you just studied the statistics, and went by the numbers, his solution would theoretically be correct.

That pesky constitution might get in the way though......not to mention the run on machetes it would create

[Tom]

horsey can't make up his mind.
He wants gun control then he doesn't.

[boxcar]

Congressional Black Caucus Blames Republicans For Dallas Massacre (http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/08/congressional-black-caucus-blames-republicans-for-dallas-massacre/)


How pathetic is that?

I think Republicans should blame all Black Liberation Theology churches for Dallas.

[Capper Al]

horsey can't make up his mind.
He wants gun control then he doesn't.

What happened in Dallas was wrong, but you can't make up your mind either. By the many supporters here of the second amendment, the shooter was expressing his second amendment rights by fighting back at what he precieves to be an oppressive government. I believe in gun control and discussing and compromising on issues rather than shooting it out.

[horses4courses]

horsey can't make up his mind.
He wants gun control then he doesn't.

Yeah....that's exactly what you racist morons want.
Gun control on minorities.
Just let your "Real Americans" do the packing.

Then they actually have the gall to wonder why things don't get better.
Pitiful. :faint:

[Clocker]

Yeah....that's exactly what you racist morons want.
Gun control on minorities.
Just let your "Real Americans" do the packing.

Then they actually have the gall to wonder why things don't get better.
Pitiful. :faint:

Fish on! :D

The king of trollers can't tell when he is being trolled.

[Capper Al]

I think Republicans should blame all Black Liberation Theology churches for Dallas.

Such compassion from a religious person.

[Tom]

By the many supporters here of the second amendment, the shooter was expressing his second amendment rights by fighting back at what he precieves to be an oppressive government.

Reality is such a long ways away some days......

[Tom]

Fish on! :D

The king of trollers can't tell when he is being trolled.


Fish, meet barrel! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Let's renew him for another year.....he is so cute when he pops a gasket!

[Track Collector]

What happened in Dallas was wrong, but you can't make up your mind either. By the many supporters here of the second amendment, the shooter was expressing his second amendment rights by fighting back at what he precieves to be an oppressive government. I believe in gun control and discussing and compromising on issues rather than shooting it out.

So you believe that most of the 2nd Amendment rights supporters here on PA believe that if this guy was instead captured and brought to trial that he should be completely exonerated of the murder charges because of his 2nd Amendment rights?

Crazy thinking and out of touch with reality.

This guy was not interested in discussing and compromising. His primary goal was to extract some revenge on the corporate group he thought was responsible for some other injustices. Different gun laws may have hindered his plot (although in other situations they actually help the good guys to defeat the bad guys), but folks like this guy don't care about legality and would simply perform other illegal acts to carry out their plans.

[zico20]

Funny how anyone reading in this forum for the first time would
think that you're being sarcastic, and couldn't possibly be serious.

I know better, though.
Bunch of racist thugs in here. :ThmbDown:

Congratulations on being the first person in my life to call me a racist. Not to mention I am a thug also. :faint: You are a typical liberal, when someone disagrees with you then they are a racist. The Democratic party has got you so brainwashed. I feel sorry for you, I really do.

[ArlJim78]

here is a link to a rant from a young black woman.
I see many many more of the same on twitter.
But you will NEVER see this woman, or those having these opinions, invited to the White House like Obama does with Black lives Matter leaders.
You'll never see her or people like her on any of the major networks.
WHY? because this doesn't fit their narrative.
Unfortunately the ratio of people who swallow the media narrative lock stock and barrel (you know who you are), compared to free independent thinkers like this young lady is probably 30-1.

http://freedomdaily.com/pissed-off-black-woman-unloads-blacks-epic-rant-ever-heard-wow-video/

[highnote]

It is said that the Dallas police dept's use of a robot to kill the shooter was the first time that a robot has been used to kill someone.

Not all perpetrators should be killed. Some people are just mentally ill and acting erratically, but could potentially do harm to others, but they haven't killed anyone.

So it seems like there would be a big opportunity for a company to develop robots that could actually apprehend a perpetrator by disabling him temporarily rather than killing him.

[zico20]

It is said that the Dallas police dept's use of a robot to kill the shooter was the first time that a robot has been used to kill someone.

Not all perpetrators should be killed. Some people are just mentally ill and acting erratically, but could potentially do harm to others, but they haven't killed anyone.

So it seems like there would be a big opportunity for a company to develop robots that could actually apprehend a perpetrator by disabling him temporarily rather than killing him.

Maybe in 50 years the Democrats will be arguing for robot control instead of guns when that becomes the new way to mass murder people. :D

[highnote]

http://freedomdaily.com/pissed-off-black-woman-unloads-blacks-epic-rant-ever-heard-wow-video/

I checked out the link. I also found a link lower down the page on this article that says Obama is buying a mansion in Dubai.

I tried to verify this with other journals like Wall Street Journal, NY Times, USAToday, etc., but none of them had a story about it.

Why aren't regular news sources picking up this story?

I did find a link to this story on Snopes.com and it claims the story is false:

http://www.snopes.com/rick-williams-obamas-mansion/

So what do you think? Did Obama buy a Dubai mansion or is freedomdaily.com posting stories without checking the facts?

[Tom]

The Democratic party has got you so brainwashed.

It's not so bad...it was a light load.

[MONEY]

If you had previously brandished it and threatened someone, (the reason for the cops being called), then, resisted arrest after being tazed, get into a scuffle with the cops on the ground, ummmmmmm possibly!!!!
I just saw this so, sorry for the delay in answering.

Every day police officers in this country deal with hundreds/thousands of armed, angry, belligerent, uncooperative
people. In most cases the cops don't have to resort to deadly physical force in order to take those people into
custody or to defuse whatever it was that made those people act violently.

Now for the 3rd time, I wasn't at the scene of any of the police shootings. All I know is what I got from the news
and on PaceAdvantage. From the very little that I know, the police officers could have handled the situations
without resorting to gunfire. I may change my mind later when I learn more details, but for know now, deadly physical
force was not necessary.

[highnote]

It's not so bad...it was a light load.


Yeah... but it was really dirty. (As Johnny Carson used to say... "I don't even know what that means.) :D

[Tom]

In light of the BLM BS of blocking traffic, calling for dead cops, a revolution, I have to give ALL cops the benefit of the doubt and say the shootings wire justified. If they can ignore the process and pass judgment without facts, and even be dead wrong as in Ferguson where the whole thing was a lie, then neither do I.

If we have to choose side, I choose the cops, and whatever collaterally falls out of that. If there is a war on cops, so be it.....let the cops shoot first and ask questions later.

[Robert Fischer]

some of you criticize BLM?

fine.

Next time you guys need to schedule a disruptive protest, incite riots and present it to social media, don't call BLM for assistance!

[newtothegame]

I just saw this so, sorry for the delay in answering.

Every day police officers in this country deal with hundreds/thousands of armed, angry, belligerent, uncooperative
people. In most cases the cops don't have to resort to deadly physical force in order to take those people into
custody or to defuse whatever it was that made those people act violently.

Now for the 3rd time, I wasn't at the scene of any of the police shootings. All I know is what I got from the news
and on PaceAdvantage. From the very little that I know, the police officers could have handled the situations
without resorting to gunfire. I may change my mind later when I learn more details, but for know now, deadly physical
force was not necessary.
Money, don't get me wrong as I agree with most of your post and like you.
On this topic though, I will just agree to disagree. Youre right, cops face this thing daily and not all feel the need to resort to deadly force. All the more reason for me that when a select few do, I will almost always side with the officer.
I am sure, as you mentioned, cops face this daily. Just as I am sure THESE officers have faced it before and DIDNT use deadly force. In these cases, deadly force was used.
WE are lucky enough to have 20/20 hindsight and are able to pick and choose what facts we wish to rely on to make a decision. This guys have a split second to make the same call with no hindsight.
As Ralph has pointed out, there are hundreds of thousands of stops and interactions yearly. A VERY SMALL percentage (something like .004) result in deadly force. I would argue that's a very good rate considering the elements of society these cops face off with.
Now of course, there are the 1% or so "bad cops" and do I wish for them to be exposed? OF COURSE! I am just not sure you ever can eliminate that small of a percentage. If we could, couldnt we also eliminate the percentage of society that is bad (which would also eliminate these deadly force shootings)???

[highnote]

In light of the BLM BS of blocking traffic, calling for dead cops, a revolution, I have to give ALL cops the benefit of the doubt and say the shootings wire justified. If they can ignore the process and pass judgment without facts, and even be dead wrong as in Ferguson where the whole thing was a lie, then neither do I.

If we have to choose side, I choose the cops, and whatever collaterally falls out of that. If there is a war on cops, so be it.....let the cops shoot first and ask questions later.

I thought this was a great article and these are the kinds of stories that need to be shared, rather than self-serving negative ones:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/mother-shielded-her-sons-during-dallas-shooting-thanks-202422517--abc-news-topstories.html

Shetamia Taylor, the 37-year-old woman who helped protect her four sons from bullets during an ambush-style shooting on police at a protest march in Dallas, broke down into tears today as she told the story of how she survived the carnage of that night.

Taylor said she heard two gunshots when the shooting began Thursday night, and then saw an officer fall to the ground.

"He said, 'He has a gun, run,'" Taylor recalled, before choking up with tears.

"I was running behind them and I felt the bullet in the back of my leg," she said, pausing to gather her emotions. "My son went to grab me but I was already shot so I grabbed him and lay on top of him. Police asked was anybody hit, because he didn't know I was shot. I said yes, but not loud enough because I didn't want my son to hear. The officer got on top of me and covered me and my son. Another cop [was] at my feet and another [stood] by us and they protected us. I saw another officer get shot in front of me."

[MONEY]

Money, don't get me wrong as I agree with most of your post and like you.
On this topic though, I will just agree to disagree. Youre right, cops face this thing daily and not all feel the need to resort to deadly force. All the more reason for me that when a select few do, I will almost always side with the officer.
I am sure, as you mentioned, cops face this daily. Just as I am sure THESE officers have faced it before and DIDN'T use deadly force. In these cases, deadly force was used.
WE are lucky enough to have 20/20 hindsight and are able to pick and choose what facts we wish to rely on to make a decision. This guys have a split second to make the same call with no hindsight.
As Ralph has pointed out, there are hundreds of thousands of stops and interactions yearly. A VERY SMALL percentage (something like .004) result in deadly force. I would argue that's a very good rate considering the elements of society these cops face off with.
Now of course, there are the 1% or so "bad cops" and do I wish for them to be exposed? OF COURSE! I am just not sure you ever can eliminate that small of a percentage. If we could, couldn't we also eliminate the percentage of society that is bad (which would also eliminate these deadly force shootings)???
The biggest problem with unjustified cop shootings, is that bad cops are rarely involved in them.
Most bad shootings are done by good cops that made a bad decision or reacted wrongly.

[highnote]

The biggest problem with unjustified cop shootings, is that bad cops are rarely involved in them.
Most bad shootings are done by good cops that made a bad decision or reacted wrongly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/baton-rouge-assault-weapon-huffpost-reporter-protesters_us_5782415be4b0c590f7e9b48e

Check out the live stream a huffington post reporter made at the Baton Rouge protest. At the 4:45 mark in the video a policewoman points an assault rifle and the reporter and others. Another policeman walks up to her and tells her to stop pointing it.

I can see how inexperienced, trigger happy cops could fire their weapons at the first sign of danger. Kind of like the Ohio national guard troops that killed the four students at Kent State on May 4, 1970. Those guardsmen probably had very little experience in dealing with student protests.

[MONEY]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/baton-rouge-assault-weapon-huffpost-reporter-protesters_us_5782415be4b0c590f7e9b48e

Check out the live stream a huffington post reporter made at the Baton Rouge protest. At the 4:45 mark in the video a policewoman points an assault rifle and the reporter and others. Another policeman walks up to her and tells her to stop pointing it.

I can see how inexperienced, trigger happy cops could fire their weapons at the first sign of danger. Kind of like the Ohio national guard troops that killed the four students at Kent State on May 4, 1970. Those guardsmen probably had very little experience in dealing with student protests.

That was stupid.
Also that officers weapon is useless in close combat. An unarmed combatant can easily become an armed assassin with that type of firepower so close. If she had to apprehend someone she would be at a disadvantage because she would need to safeguard the weapon at the same time that she would have to handle a perp.

[highnote]

Some historical photos:

Vietnam war protestor
Tienanmen Square protestor
Baton Rouge protestor

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That was stupid.
Also that officers weapon is useless in close combat. An unarmed combatant can easily become an armed assassin with that type of firepower so close. If she had to apprehend someone she would be at a disadvantage because she would need to safeguard the weapon at the same time that she would have to handle a perp.

It didn't seem like a good tactic to me.

Do they get training before they are able to do crowd control with an assault rifle?

[Capper Al]

So you believe that most of the 2nd Amendment rights supporters here on PA believe that if this guy was instead captured and brought to trial that he should be completely exonerated of the murder charges because of his 2nd Amendment rights?

Crazy thinking and out of touch with reality.

This guy was not interested in discussing and compromising. His primary goal was to extract some revenge on the corporate group he thought was responsible for some other injustices. Different gun laws may have hindered his plot (although in other situations they actually help the good guys to defeat the bad guys), but folks like this guy don't care about legality and would simply perform other illegal acts to carry out their plans.

The argument for the second amendment is that citizens could use guns as a check and balance on government. Supporters of this idea expect government to shoot back and fight. This would be war. It looks like righties just don't think out their premise to the final conclusion. Second amendment supporters support this killers right to shoot the cops like or not. Don't get me wrong, I don't support this logic and believe this shooter is a nut and should be brought to trial.

[Fager Fan]

The argument for the second amendment is that citizens could use guns as a check and balance on government. Supporters of this idea expect government to shoot back and fight. This would be war. It looks like righties just don't think out their premise to the final conclusion. Second amendment supporters support this killers right to shoot the cops like or not. Don't get me wrong, I don't support this logic and believe this shooter is a nut and should be brought to trial.

Stupid post. No sensible supporters of the 2nd amendment support those who use their weapons wrongly.

[Tom]

The argument for the second amendment is that citizens could use guns as a check and balance on government. Supporters of this idea expect government to shoot back and fight. This would be war. It looks like righties just don't think out their premise to the final conclusion. Second amendment supporters support this killers right to shoot the cops like or not. Don't get me wrong, I don't support this logic and believe this shooter is a nut and should be brought to trial.


So you say when the street animals start chanting revolution and dead cops, we should open fire on them?

[Capper Al]

Stupid post. No sensible supporters of the 2nd amendment support those who use their weapons wrongly.

You just don't follow the argument. You want the guns but make excuses when shootings occur. That's smart?

[Capper Al]

So you say when the street animals start chanting revolution and dead cops, we should open fire on them?

I am not a supporter of the Second Amendment logic. I prefer to work out problems with dialogue and reason, not guns. You are describing your world view, not mine.

[Clocker]

The argument for the second amendment is that citizens could use guns as a check and balance on government.

And that people should be able to own guns for self-defense. And that people should be able to own guns for sporting purposes.

Why are you ignoring these concepts? How many people do you think buy guns with the intention of fighting the government? How many gun owners do you know? Have you ever discussed this theory of yours with friends?

[Tom]

I hear that here in Rochester, we had more arrest than all BLM pig-fests around the country.

Two "TV re[porters" were arrested and are crying like babies today that the RPD targeted them because both were Black.

Both were in a group that was told repeatedly to disperse and did not.
They claimed freedom of the press allowed them to not move along.

Local police disputed this saying their skin color was not a factor - it was their stupidity that got them arrested. They used that word! :lol::lol:

[Capper Al]

And that people should be able to own guns for self-defense. And that people should be able to own guns for sporting purposes.

Why are you ignoring these concepts? How many people do you think buy guns with the intention of fighting the government? How many gun owners do you know? Have you ever discussed this theory of yours with friends?

I agree with self-defense and sporting guns, not AK-47s etc. Note, I agree. Something you'll never be able to do because you have been radicalized.

[elysiantraveller]

I agree with self-defense and sporting guns, not AK-47s etc. Note, I agree. Something you'll never be able to do because you have been radicalized.

What is a "self-defense" gun?

Why not a 7.62x39mm?

The 7.62x39mm is a fairly logical round for home defense. In terms of ballistics. It hits extremely hard at close range but isn't going to travel a country mile or penetrate wall after wall.

[Clocker]

Why not a 7.62x39mm?

Because the AK-47, or the civilian version of it, looks evil. :rolleyes:

Just like a .223 rifle like a Ruger Mini-14 is socially acceptable, but an evil looking AR-15 shooting the same ammo is designed only to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible.

[Clocker]

Never let a crisis go to waste.

Obama is using the current violent events to push for federalization of local police forces.

“I want to start moving on constructive actions that are actually going to make a difference,” he said during his evening press conference in Poland when he was asked about the Dallas attack.

Those actions, he said, would be based on the recommendations of the panel that he picked after the 2014 street riots in Ferguson, Missouri. The panel offered “practical concrete solutions that can reduce — if not eliminate — the problems of racial bias,” Obama said.



The report urges the federal government to federalize police training and practices, via the use of federal lawsuits, grants and threats to cut federal aid. So far, Obama’s deputies have cajoled and sued more than 30 police jurisdictions to adopt federal rules in a slow-motion creation of a national police system, similar to the slow-motion creation of a federal-run health-sector via Obamacare.



And after that comes the Thought Police. :rolleyes:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/09/dallas-obama-federal-shootings/ (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/09/dallas-obama-federal-shootings/)

[Marshall Bennett]

AR-15 or .45 auto handgun. Both can be had with multiple clips. In fact in the right hand the .45 is quicker to load and at short range do a heck of a lot more damage.
I don't see their appearance being relevant. Looks aren't what kill people. Until society gets righted (which it never will) none of it makes any difference. If you're going to make it illegal to sell AR-15 rifles, you might as well add a number of other firearms. Isn't this bordering a breech of our constitution?
My opinion on assault type weapons has changed. I used to be against owning them. Now I don't really think it matters.

[Tom]

Does Himmler have any grandchildren?

[elysiantraveller]

AR-15 or .45 auto handgun. Both can be had with multiple clips. In fact in the right hand the .45 is quicker to load and at short range do a heck of a lot more damage.
I don't see their appearance being relevant. Looks aren't what kill people. Until society gets righted (which it never will) none of it makes any difference. If you're going to make it illegal to sell AR-15 rifles, you might as well add a number of other firearms. Isn't this bordering a breech of our constitution?
My opinion on assault type weapons has changed. I used to be against owning them. Now I don't really think it matters.

Own both and use neither for a "self-defense" gun whatever the hell that means.

But then again I understand firearms... Something the anti-gun folks here and abroad don't. :)

[Clocker]

I don't see their appearance being relevant. Looks aren't what kill people.

But looks are what gets the gun grabber panties in a twist. Wanting to ban evil guns, and finding no accepted definition, gun control laws fell back on defining assault rifles based on cosmetic features, such as a pistol grip on a rifle.

Until society gets righted (which it never will) none of it makes any difference. If you're going to make it illegal to sell AR-15 rifles, you might as well add a number of other firearms. Isn't this bordering a breech of our constitution?

It is. The Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd Amendment permitted those weapons currently in common usage for legal purposes. You can't get much more common than an AR-15.