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Better not take any Gulfstream horses there!
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EMD4ME
06-28-2016, 04:43 PM
Not surprised....but wow....
There is no worse track than Gulfstream.
Crappy track, haven't been able to time races for 20 years, and now this big Franky posture. Franky is he worst thing that ever happened to horse racing.
I would not bet a Straw-neck track with your money - ever. Boycott this POS.
Zydeco
06-28-2016, 06:03 PM
What is Salix???
reckless
06-28-2016, 06:07 PM
What is Salix???
Salix is a diuretic, same kind of drug as Lasix, while Lasix is a branded product.
RunForTheRoses
06-28-2016, 06:10 PM
One the one hand it seems odd that a "Winter" track is running in the summer but it is even odder to see GP running almost all year. To me it makes it less special.
Even Del Mar is getting a little played out with the added meet. Not quite as special.
GP is a bully though, put Hialeah out of business, then Calder, now this.
Zydeco
06-28-2016, 06:11 PM
lol.....thought they had misspelled Lasix!!! you know, no proof reader!
barahona44
06-28-2016, 06:17 PM
One the one hand it seems odd that a "Winter" track is running in the summer but it is even odder to see GP running almost all year. To me it makes it less special.
Even Del Mar is getting a little played out with the added meet. Not quite as special.
GP is a bully though, put Hialeah out of business, then Calder, now this.
Under Florida law this summer meet will enable TBD to be classified as a full time simulcast track and keep more of their simulcast money,which explains the pissy Gulfstream reaction.
castaway01
06-28-2016, 06:38 PM
Under Florida law this summer meet will enable TBD to be classified as a full time simulcast track and keep more of their simulcast money,which explains the pissy Gulfstream reaction.
Simulcast laws are pretty silly---two days and they're suddenly a year-round track. Frank's reaction is no shock though. The next classy thing he does will be the first.
the little guy
06-28-2016, 06:52 PM
I'm mystified by a lot of what I read, so bear with me, but there are a number of things in this thread that I thought were worth mentioning...
...I guess "Frank" is sort of like "NYRA" now, in that when people don't like something that happens at a Stronach track, much like NYRA being to blame for everything, whether true or not, Frank Stronach is to blame....as though he is making all the decisions, from top to bottom, for the Stronach Group. This seems unlikely to me, but OK.
However, I am just wondering, which one of you would allow horses stabled at a track you ran ( or owned, since you seem to think Frank Stronach made this call ) to ship to a competitor's track ( especially on days you are racing ) without at least getting permission?
Calling out Gulfstream for the timing issues seems more than fair. Calling them out for this, whomever made this decision, defies logic. Frankly ( to invoke his name once again ), if the person responsible for running Gulfstream did NOT do this, he would NOT be doing his job.
Shemp Howard
06-28-2016, 08:46 PM
One the one hand it seems odd that a "Winter" track is running in the summer but it is even odder to see GP running almost all year. To me it makes it less special.
Even Del Mar is getting a little played out with the added meet. Not quite as special.
GP is a bully though, put Hialeah out of business, then Calder, now this.
Gulfstream is running over the summer to put Monmouth Park out of business.
Part of the long term plan for Laurel.
I'm mystified by a lot of what I read, so bear with me, but there are a number of things in this thread that I thought were worth mentioning...
...I guess "Frank" is sort of like "NYRA" now, in that when people don't like something that happens at a Stronach track, much like NYRA being to blame for everything, whether true or not, Frank Stronach is to blame....as though he is making all the decisions, from top to bottom, for the Stronach Group. This seems unlikely to me, but OK.
However, I am just wondering, which one of you would allow horses stabled at a track you ran ( or owned, since you seem to think Frank Stronach made this call ) to ship to a competitor's track ( especially on days you are racing ) without at least getting permission?
Calling out Gulfstream for the timing issues seems more than fair. Calling them out for this, whomever made this decision, defies logic. Frankly ( to invoke his name once again ), if the person responsible for running Gulfstream did NOT do this, he would NOT be doing his job.
Just to be clear, I wasn't saying there is anything wrong with this at all. The thing that caught my eye most was the "whopping" fine for not reporting new geldings.
Gulfstream is running over the summer to put Monmouth Park out of business.
Part of the long term plan for Laurel.
How is this any different than when Calder ran over the summer?
MONEY
06-28-2016, 08:58 PM
However, I am just wondering, which one of you would allow horses stabled at a track you ran ( or owned, since you seem to think Frank Stronach made this call ) to ship to a competitor's track ( especially on days you are racing ) without at least getting permission?
The warning clearly states
'ANYONE RUNNING @TAMPA ON JUNE 30 & JULY 1 WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK ON THE GROUNDS!!!'
It looks to me that if you ship a horse from anywhere to run at the Tampa Summer Meet, that you and your horses will be banned from Gulfstream.
the little guy
06-28-2016, 09:22 PM
The warning clearly states
It looks to me that if you ship a horse from anywhere to run at the Tampa Summer Meet, that you and your horses will be banned from Gulfstream.
I'm confused....what's the point of your post.
alhattab
06-28-2016, 09:46 PM
How is this any different than when Calder ran over the summer?
A couple of important differences I think. First, the Gulfstream purse structure is much better than Calder's. GP's MSW races go for about $40k while Calder's went for about $26k. From a quick glance at the historical charts, beaten claimers are running for about 50% more at GP v CrC. Second, Stronach has leverage over trainers looking to stable at GP during the winter and head north during the summer. Stronach Group can and according to interview with Kulina of Mth have told trainers that if they want stalls at GP in the winter, when they ship north they'd better go to MJC and not Monmouth. CrC didn't have that kind of leverage. It has made a huge difference at Mth, not to mention that the GP signal is better recognized than CrC's and pulls handle from Mth. CrC's overall handle was pretty solid back in the day, considering the racing, but not as strong as GP's is today for the same dates I don't think.
As I said over in the recent Mth thread, hopefully Stronach's ploy isn't to put Mth out of business but to force them to the bargaining table with no leverage. Mth is a real asset to the game in my view, much moreso than the competing regional tracks like Del and Prx. People actually go to Mth, and at 47 I'm probably on the high side of the median age on a weekend.
MONEY
06-28-2016, 09:53 PM
I'm confused....what's the point of your post.
I don't know how to make it more clear.
The point of my post is that you are correct about not letting a horse stabled at Gulfstream that runs at Tampa back into Gulstream.
But it looks like Gulfstream is threatening to lock out any connections that have horses stabled at Gulfstream that ships to Tampa from a track other than Gulfstream.
the little guy
06-28-2016, 10:13 PM
I don't know how to make it more clear.
The point of my post is that you are correct about not letting a horse stabled at Gulfstream that runs at Tampa back into Gulstream.
But it looks like Gulfstream is threatening to lock out any connections that have horses stabled at Gulfstream that ships to Tampa from a track other than Gulfstream.
You're mistaken.
MonmouthParkJoe
06-28-2016, 10:35 PM
A couple of important differences I think. First, the Gulfstream purse structure is much better than Calder's. GP's MSW races go for about $40k while Calder's went for about $26k. From a quick glance at the historical charts, beaten claimers are running for about 50% more at GP v CrC. Second, Stronach has leverage over trainers looking to stable at GP during the winter and head north during the summer. Stronach Group can and according to interview with Kulina of Mth have told trainers that if they want stalls at GP in the winter, when they ship north they'd better go to MJC and not Monmouth. CrC didn't have that kind of leverage. It has made a huge difference at Mth, not to mention that the GP signal is better recognized than CrC's and pulls handle from Mth. CrC's overall handle was pretty solid back in the day, considering the racing, but not as strong as GP's is today for the same dates I don't think.
As I said over in the recent Mth thread, hopefully Stronach's ploy isn't to put Mth out of business but to force them to the bargaining table with no leverage. Mth is a real asset to the game in my view, much moreso than the competing regional tracks like Del and Prx. People actually go to Mth, and at 47 I'm probably on the high side of the median age on a weekend.
47!!?? ☺️☺️
Donttellmeshowme
06-28-2016, 11:37 PM
I'm mystified by a lot of what I read, so bear with me, but there are a number of things in this thread that I thought were worth mentioning...
...I guess "Frank" is sort of like "NYRA" now, in that when people don't like something that happens at a Stronach track, much like NYRA being to blame for everything, whether true or not, Frank Stronach is to blame....as though he is making all the decisions, from top to bottom, for the Stronach Group. This seems unlikely to me, but OK.
However, I am just wondering, which one of you would allow horses stabled at a track you ran ( or owned, since you seem to think Frank Stronach made this call ) to ship to a competitor's track ( especially on days you are racing ) without at least getting permission?
Calling out Gulfstream for the timing issues seems more than fair. Calling them out for this, whomever made this decision, defies logic. Frankly ( to invoke his name once again ), if the person responsible for running Gulfstream did NOT do this, he would NOT be doing his job.
Gulfstream wont allow horses to ship to Tampa for a 2 day meet? Its a freaking 2 day meet. How many horses will TB pull from Gulfstream in this 2 day meet? Not very many. Faewk Gulfstream...
Donttellmeshowme
06-28-2016, 11:39 PM
Just to be clear, I wasn't saying there is anything wrong with this at all. The thing that caught my eye most was the "whopping" fine for not reporting new geldings.
Thats at every major track that size fine for not reporting 1st time gelding.
proximity
06-29-2016, 12:18 AM
Just to be clear, I wasn't saying there is anything wrong with this at all. The thing that caught my eye most was the "whopping" fine for not reporting new geldings.
i reckoned you meant to circle the part about debris getting in the manure and that your hand just slipped.... sir.
as for the rest, when nyra loses a casino, invents their own energy drink, installs incredibly popular horse wizard machines,...... we can start to speak of them in the same breath as uncle frank.
KidCruz
06-29-2016, 02:29 AM
However, I am just wondering, which one of you would allow horses stabled at a track you ran ( or owned, since you seem to think Frank Stronach made this call ) to ship to a competitor's track ( especially on days you are racing ) without at least getting permission?
Calling out Gulfstream for the timing issues seems more than fair. Calling them out for this, whomever made this decision, defies logic. Frankly ( to invoke his name once again ), if the person responsible for running Gulfstream did NOT do this, he would NOT be doing his job.
So you are suggesting that horses that train at a NYRA track and ship to run at MTH, PIM, PRX or FL get "special permission" to do so and that is why they are allowed back onto the grounds?
the little guy
06-29-2016, 03:04 AM
So you are suggesting that horses that train at a NYRA track and ship to run at MTH, PIM, PRX or FL get "special permission" to do so and that is why they are allowed back onto the grounds?
I assume you mean horses that are stabled at NYRA?
I don't run the racing office, but I imagine things can be case specific. I do remember a similar situation when Parx was running their increased purse meet last Fall and believe it was discussed here.
You could ask the Racing Office or look through the condition book and/or overnights for a better answer.
The day a track told me where I could run my horses would be the last time I ever set foot on their grounds.
I have thought Franky to be a miserable POS for all long as I can remember.
Nothing has ever happened to make me doubt that impression.
AlBundy33
06-29-2016, 08:58 AM
I assume you mean horses that are stabled at NYRA?
I don't run the racing office, but I imagine things can be case specific. I do remember a similar situation when Parx was running their increased purse meet last Fall and believe it was discussed here.
You could ask the Racing Office or look through the condition book and/or overnights for a better answer.
I think this was the thread.
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124986&highlight=parx+nyra
johnhannibalsmith
06-29-2016, 10:16 AM
The day a track told me where I could run my horses would be the last time I ever set foot on their grounds.
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While I agree with your premise, it isn't exactly cheap to run a free 2000 room horse motel. You need every last stall filled with horses that intend to participate. I absolutely despise the heavy-handed tone that some tracks use to drive this point home, especially because it really is in their best interest long-term to not be so unilateral about it. You want someone that is a bona fide race filler and little more than that to keep entering and so it just make sense to allow those people a chance to take a shot shipping out for a race that they might be able to win, or at least run well in, just to keep them in the business of filling races for you over the long haul. If it is consistent with your program and book, you should probably even try to make whatever races you can 'not-considered' for purposes of eligibility at the mothership if the claim price or purse is significantly lower at the 'other' track. You read notes like that on the overnight and just wonder why they wouldn't take a broader policy with some nuance and express it as such and I think most everyone could understand it from all perspectives and make the most of it.
Saratoga_Mike
06-29-2016, 10:32 AM
However, I am just wondering, which one of you would allow horses stabled at a track you ran ( or owned, since you seem to think Frank Stronach made this call ) to ship to a competitor's track ( especially on days you are racing ) without at least getting permission?
I've seen the same "ship-out and you don't come back" prohibition at Mid-Atlantic tracks in the past. If you'd like to race at the track of your choice, it's very simple: train at a private facility (e.g., Fair Hill). Of course, you pay for private stalls and a private track. Free (i.e., training on track) means you race at that track, or ask for permission before shipping out.
Saratoga_Mike
06-29-2016, 10:34 AM
Gulfstream wont allow horses to ship to Tampa for a 2 day meet? Its a freaking 2 day meet. How many horses will TB pull from Gulfstream in this 2 day meet? Not very many. Faewk Gulfstream...
It's easy - don't train there.
So 2 days at Tampa will kill GP?
Ridiculous.
Franky is a jerk. Capital J.
Saratoga_Mike
06-29-2016, 10:49 AM
So 2 days at Tampa will kill GP?
Ridiculous.
Franky is a jerk. Capital J.
Again, this is not unique to GP. Other tracks put in place the same rules.
His track. His stalls. His water. His power. His maintenance crew. His call. That simple.
reckless
06-29-2016, 10:57 AM
For years, many years actually, if a trainer that is stabled at Monmouth raced horses at another track, there was usually a hand-written note left on that trainer's car wind shield reminding them that it is against their best interest not to run out of town again. The note also mentioned it to them how hard it might be to get stalls in the future.
Everyone 'knew' it came from the racing office and general manager.
Yes, hearsay all around. Would not hold up in a court of law, but the court of public opinion...? :)
Again, this is not unique to GP. Other tracks put in place the same rules.
His track. His stalls. His water. His power. His maintenance crew. His call. That simple.
My opinion. Even simpler.
No one is simpler than Franky.
Other tracks suck water, too. That don't make it right.
For years, many years actually, if a trainer that is stabled at Monmouth raced horses at another track, there was usually a hand-written note left on that trainer's car wind shield reminding them that it is against their best interest not to run out of town again. The note also mentioned it to them how hard it might be to get stalls in the future.
Everyone 'knew' it came from the racing office and general manager.
Yes, hearsay all around. Would not hold up in a court of law, but the court of public opinion...? :)
We used to call them the mob.
I guess Nyquist and Exaggerator should tell Sartoga to go pond salt and race at Del Mar. Actually, I hope they do.
We used to call them the mob.
I guess Nyquist and Exaggerator should tell Sartoga to go pond salt and race at Del Mar. Actually, I hope they do.
Stakes horses are always allowed to ship out as far as I know.
Yes, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
no breathalyzer
06-29-2016, 12:33 PM
Them couple days at tampa last summer were really pitiful... too bad GP horses can't ship in.. It was Disgraceful racing.
ronsmac
06-29-2016, 12:37 PM
i reckoned you meant to circle the part about debris getting in the manure and that your hand just slipped.... sir.
as for the rest, when nyra loses a casino, invents their own energy drink, installs incredibly popular horse wizard machines,...... we can start to speak of them in the same breath as uncle frank.How can we ever forget the horse wizard machines. Magna spent between 15 and 20 million dollars developing them. Stronach believed they would become more popular than slot machines. He actually said that. Lol.
alydar
06-29-2016, 12:59 PM
You can say what you want about Stronach, believe me over the years I have more than critical of many of his business decisions. But in his defense, he loves the sport and sincerely does seem to want to help the sport succeed.
I was less than thrilled with what he did at Gulfstream at first, but I have come around, and now see it as a good example of what can be done in the future at some locations.
He is not afraid to take chances and has put a ton of money into the game. His new concept of his big money race next January is a great example of a man that is willing to experiment, not something many others are willing to do in this industry.
Saratoga_Mike
06-29-2016, 01:24 PM
My opinion. Even simpler.
No one is simpler than Franky.
Other tracks suck water, too. That don't make it right.
Absolutely your opinion ... just disagree.
I believe you manage a plant of some type (hopefully that's correct). Let's say you had some extra space. A machinist comes to you says, "may I use your extra space for free and produce my goods under your roof, using your space, power and water?" You respond with, "Of course. I just ask that you sell everything through our sales channel. You get free rent and we get a small mark-up on your product. Both sides win." All goes well for a year. Then the machinist decides I think I'll sell some of my product across the street (it's your competitor -- you really don't like them). He only sells there for two days. You would be fine with it? Highly doubtful.
Trainers get the stalls for free?
Valuist
06-29-2016, 01:45 PM
I don't care how many tracks do it, or how long its been going on, there's no place for intimidation tactics. There may not be laws against it, but it clearly isn't right.
Having said that, not all tracks do it. When I had ownership in a horse or two, the trainer (Hugh Robertson) had a split division. He'd regularly ship horses back and forth between Chicago and Minnesota. I never heard of Hugh getting any threats.
johnhannibalsmith
06-29-2016, 01:49 PM
Trainers get the stalls for free?
At most places yes, and I'm pretty sure that its still the case at GP. In fact, I'm pretty sure that a few years back when Calder went to stall rent GP offered to help horsemen that stabled there but shipped over.
Here's the relevant part of the stall app that everyone signs:
How does this help the horse players. The customers?
johnhannibalsmith
06-29-2016, 02:13 PM
How does this help the horse players. The customers?
I'm not sure if you are referring to stall rent/ no stall rent/ or the policy in question throughout the thread, but I'd guess that GP and tracks like it would argue that it helps horseplayers by allowing them (tracks) to run a live race meet for patrons and not a free training center for horsemen.
Saratoga_Mike
06-29-2016, 02:26 PM
I don't care how many tracks do it, or how long its been going on, there's no place for intimidation tactics. There may not be laws against it, but it clearly isn't right.
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Just b/c it's a racetrack doesn't mean the owner doesn't have property rights. The track says "free stalls = you race at the track." If you'd like to race elsewhere, simply go pay for stalls. Intimidation? Maybe you're joking, not sure.
Whatever.
Maybe if they weren't so in-bred, someone would ship in who knows how clocks works and could time their crappy races.:rolleyes:
Saratoga_Mike
06-29-2016, 02:30 PM
No argument on the timing issue - borderline absurd.
alhattab
06-29-2016, 10:15 PM
47!!?? ☺️☺️
You have the over or under on that one?
PaceAdvantage
06-29-2016, 11:19 PM
Faewk Gulfstream...So clever! :rolleyes:
thespaah
06-30-2016, 05:16 PM
Better not take any Gulfstream horses there!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmDm0HtVEAAhqH5.jpg
Just to clarify....
This appears in Gulfstream's condition book? And it serves as a warning to all horsemen that if they dare to run a race at Tampa, on this particular weekend, that horse will be banned from the Guflstream Park grounds?
If so....YIKES.....
thespaah
06-30-2016, 05:27 PM
One the one hand it seems odd that a "Winter" track is running in the summer but it is even odder to see GP running almost all year. To me it makes it less special.
Even Del Mar is getting a little played out with the added meet. Not quite as special.
GP is a bully though, put Hialeah out of business, then Calder, now this.
Well. The Florida legislature was the body that really drove the last nails in Hialeah's coffin.
This is how I understand it.
Each year or two the Florida legislature would dole out race dates such that either Gulfstream or Hialeah would get the choice winter dates. Those being from January thru the end of March...The scuttlebutt was that the Donn family, then owner's of Gulfstream, use its considerable influence in Florida politics to convince the State that Gulfstream should get those dates on a permanent basis. Anyway......That's off topic...
If this message posted by CJ is that it appears to be, it smacks of childish behavior on the part of GP management.
thespaah
06-30-2016, 05:42 PM
I'm mystified by a lot of what I read, so bear with me, but there are a number of things in this thread that I thought were worth mentioning...
...I guess "Frank" is sort of like "NYRA" now, in that when people don't like something that happens at a Stronach track, much like NYRA being to blame for everything, whether true or not, Frank Stronach is to blame....as though he is making all the decisions, from top to bottom, for the Stronach Group. This seems unlikely to me, but OK.
However, I am just wondering, which one of you would allow horses stabled at a track you ran ( or owned, since you seem to think Frank Stronach made this call ) to ship to a competitor's track ( especially on days you are racing ) without at least getting permission?
Calling out Gulfstream for the timing issues seems more than fair. Calling them out for this, whomever made this decision, defies logic. Frankly ( to invoke his name once again ), if the person responsible for running Gulfstream did NOT do this, he would NOT be doing his job.
I have always been in the camp of competition being healthy for business.
I always frowned upon the idea that if one business would punish a customer for doing business with a competitor even though that customer is doing no one any harm.
At the end of the day, is a horseman that decides to run one horse at a two day meet really doing anything that would have an adverse affect on Gulfstream Park?
My contention is this. If GP management is unhappy with the two day meet at Tampa, instead of the threat of punishment, let GP's Racing Secretary write similarly conditioned races on those two days with somewhat higher purses than being offered at Tampa and let the horsemen decide which track carries more value.....Yes, GP would be in effect buying loyalty. I know of few businesses which do not on occasion do this.
So in conclusion....If I am a business owner and one of my customers decides to go elsewhere, he is free to do so. But I will take it like a man and then work that much harder to win back that customer's business
thespaah
06-30-2016, 06:05 PM
For years, many years actually, if a trainer that is stabled at Monmouth raced horses at another track, there was usually a hand-written note left on that trainer's car wind shield reminding them that it is against their best interest not to run out of town again. The note also mentioned it to them how hard it might be to get stalls in the future.
Everyone 'knew' it came from the racing office and general manager.
Yes, hearsay all around. Would not hold up in a court of law, but the court of public opinion...? :)
I understand a track management's desire to protect their business.
And when some of the tracks in the northeast( I believe Del did this) told horsemen that if they used stalls there and habitually raced their horses elsewhere without entering or rarely entering horses at Del, they'd be told to find another place to stable. Also, I have read on here in other threads where horsemen will essentially warehouse horses at a particular track and not race some the entire meet.. If I ran a track, I would be looking to have that outfit placed on my ( poop) list.
But, in this narrow context, it appears to me that GP management is alerting horsemen that if they so much as pull one horse out of a stall and enter it at Tampa on one of those two days, the horse or the entire outfit( not sure which) would be banned from the grounds at GP....
I wish I could see a clarification here.
MonmouthParkJoe
06-30-2016, 06:12 PM
I get why its done, and it is pretty common place. Had the same thing with Turf shippers trying to come down to Rillito :D
Makes more sense if they are offered to trainers for free, some bigger tracks do have stall fees. In that case where they are paying for it and are not at capacity, it shouldnt be as big a deal.
johnhannibalsmith
06-30-2016, 06:44 PM
... Had the same thing with Turf shippers trying to come down to Rillito :D
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Your problem with Jerry and his minion is the exact case why it is so stupid to be unilateral about it. 90% of the people that haul out to run there are the same people that are first in line to get hustled for some no chance 30-1 shot every time they need a horse. Most of the horses are those that are one more bad race from having the plug pulled on running at TuP anyway. If you subtract RIL from the equation, a lot of his race fillers have almost no incentive to have these horses at TuP at all. He's running a meet that runs more than half a year and can't survive without most of the cast of characters that populate the RIL overnites. I think that he's figured it out somewhat, but since he's as stubborn as a mule (in my opinion, of course) he still has to flex and posture and stomp about it so everybody knows he's doing them a favor by helping himself.
MonmouthParkJoe
06-30-2016, 08:29 PM
I couldnt agree more.
Donttellmeshowme
06-30-2016, 09:03 PM
I get why its done, and it is pretty common place. Had the same thing with Turf shippers trying to come down to Rillito :D
Makes more sense if they are offered to trainers for free, some bigger tracks do have stall fees. In that case where they are paying for it and are not at capacity, it shouldnt be as big a deal.
i can see if Tampa had a 3 month meet going on you wouldnt want the field size at Gulfstream to dwindle because horses were shipping to Tampa but this is a freakin 2 day meet at Tampa. 2 days will not hurt the field sizes at Gulfstream.
castaway01
06-30-2016, 11:01 PM
i can see if Tampa had a 3 month meet going on you wouldnt want the field size at Gulfstream to dwindle because horses were shipping to Tampa but this is a freakin 2 day meet at Tampa. 2 days will not hurt the field sizes at Gulfstream.
I guess you could make the argument that if absolutely no one came they wouldn't be able to run the dates at all and Tampa wouldn't get that simulcast money. But since that's not going to happen, it's just petty. It's all based on whatever stupid law that says running June 30 and July 1st suddenly makes you a year-round racetrack anyway.
Donttellmeshowme
06-30-2016, 11:44 PM
I guess you could make the argument that if absolutely no one came they wouldn't be able to run the dates at all and Tampa wouldn't get that simulcast money. But since that's not going to happen, it's just petty. It's all based on whatever stupid law that says running June 30 and July 1st suddenly makes you a year-round racetrack anyway.
Very petty
Franky-stein is just greedy bastard who wants every single $$$ out there.
If anyone seriously thing letting a handful of trainers ship to run one race at Tampa is going to hurt GP, then they have some other agenda other than improving horse racing.
And I am by far the LAST guy to stand up for horsemen.
Saratoga_Mike
07-01-2016, 12:19 PM
Franky-stein is just greedy bastard who wants every single $$$ out there.
If anyone seriously thing letting a handful of trainers ship to run one race at Tampa is going to hurt GP, then they have some other agenda other than improving horse racing.
And I am by far the LAST guy to stand up for horsemen.
If that were the case, he never would have invested a dime in a racetrack.
bello
07-01-2016, 01:16 PM
I cant watch it anymore...I cant take this announcer. Plus a had a major win wager on the 8 race 2...he calls the 8 by a head.....and he ( and I ) lost.
Moron should not make a win call unless he is certain
MonmouthParkJoe
07-01-2016, 08:13 PM
I guess you could make the argument that if absolutely no one came they wouldn't be able to run the dates at all and Tampa wouldn't get that simulcast money. But since that's not going to happen, it's just petty. It's all based on whatever stupid law that says running June 30 and July 1st suddenly makes you a year-round racetrack anyway.
You are right about the law. Like most things each state is on its own island.
From my own limited experience, it is the same thing in Arizona and it is county specific. PIMA county has both Rillito and the dog track. In order to get revenue share from the OTBs in the state, they have to run a certain number of live events, with the dog track making up 97% of them. As a result, both them and the dog track get a share with Turf getting the bulk of it. Turf tries to eat into their days with not allowing shippers. While that hasnt exactly worked, the dog track had its last live date (most likely forever) in June. I would expect without that revenue Rillito will be done in the next year or two. Turf will get all the OTB money.
The Hawk
07-01-2016, 09:46 PM
Those who think this practice is acceptable because many other tracks do it are correct on that front. But what if ALL tracks did this? What if every single track in the country barred all horses on the grounds from running elsewhere, limiting the races to horses on the grounds? So at Saratoga there will be no shippers from NJ, California, KY, Pennsylvania, Florida, for stakes races, just the same tired horses from Belmont. How does this practice grow the game?
I understand that it's a business, that this is a calculated move that may work for this individual track, but let's be clear: those that make this rule have no regard for the growth and well being of the game. None.
thespaah
07-01-2016, 11:58 PM
I cant watch it anymore...I cant take this announcer. Plus a had a major win wager on the 8 race 2...he calls the 8 by a head.....and he ( and I ) lost.
Moron should not make a win call unless he is certain
The moral to that story is "never say 'it's outta here' unless it's outta here"...
thespaah
07-02-2016, 12:01 AM
I guess you could make the argument that if absolutely no one came they wouldn't be able to run the dates at all and Tampa wouldn't get that simulcast money. But since that's not going to happen, it's just petty. It's all based on whatever stupid law that says running June 30 and July 1st suddenly makes you a year-round racetrack anyway.
Well.. In New Jersey, the ACRC was allowed to keep its simulcasting license by running a 6 day turf meeting..
thespaah
07-02-2016, 12:06 AM
Given the paltry on track Attendance of a hair under 1.300 which crammed 98K through the windows, the Tampa two day two step isn't catching on....
irony here. The all sources handle was $2 million
Donttellmeshowme
07-02-2016, 10:38 AM
Well the 2 day Tampa meet is over with Gulfstream can relax now. No chance of losing horses to Tampa now.
Frost king
07-02-2016, 02:24 PM
There were about 50+ GP horses on the two days worth of races.
So now, with no more Tam threat, does GP just keep their fields limited in size and refuse to let those horses come back? Or do they discreetly let all or some ( buddies of Frankeeeee) come back?
Either way, GP acted stupid and only encourages me to continue my person boycott of the crap hole. Franky will never get his grubby little paws on that saw buck.
Donttellmeshowme
07-02-2016, 11:24 PM
There were about 50+ GP horses on the two days worth of races.
Some of those horses might not have been stabled at Gulfstream so i would think they can run back at Gulfstream but hey you never know with those people
fiznow
07-03-2016, 09:26 AM
Stronach is megalomaniac. He wants to rule the (horse racing) world with all means and is behaving like a defiant child. On the Gulfstream Park website you can read 'World Class Racing all year', how ridiculous...
CryingForTheHorses
07-04-2016, 04:24 PM
The day a track told me where I could run my horses would be the last time I ever set foot on their grounds.
I have thought Franky to be a miserable POS for all long as I can remember.
Nothing has ever happened to make me doubt that impression.
You must remember,We are using their facilities,Horseman running off farms may run where they like,This is a good rule.Not one I agree with if I saw another race for my horse but I adhere to the rules..This isn't stopping you from running,Its just costing your horse a home that they provide for him..Not rocket science. Keeps you in your backyard.
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