superfecta strategy

[Racey]

Do you guys approach this thru a key or a part wheel strategy.

A / BCD/ BCDE/ BCDE or A / BCDE key . Does anyone prefer to frontload more combos.

Thanks for any input.

[Robert Fischer]

I try to pick a winner first.

If it's one of the favorites, i single him on top

Fav

Then I want a price horse to key either just 3rd and 4th or 2nd-4th. If I can't find a price, I skip the race. Ultra chalky supers are not my thing.

= FAV/abc/abcd/PRICE and FAV/abc/PRICE/abcd

if it's a spread race, maybe I use 3 on top, and pyramid from there by adding a horse or two for 3rd and 4th places.
123/123/123a/123ab

[EMD4ME]

So many different strategies can be effective.....

I don't really use the traditional 1X3X4X6 or other similar approaches.

Only in super rare occassions do I look at a box of any kind.

What I like to do is take advantage of a super when I have multiple opinions in the same race.

For EX: Last race at Emerald sunday, my opinion was that the 11 would win the pace battle but lose the war.

Opinion #2 was that the 4 and 6 would both rally late and that 1 of them would get up for the win.

Opinion #3, the horses that I expected to lose the pace battle, would or should be out of the super.



Because of the aforementioned my super wagers were as follows:

46 / 4611/ 4611/ all for .50
46 / 4611/ 4611/ to all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle for .60

46 / 4611/ all/ 4611 for .50
46 / 4611/ all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 for .60

46/ all/ 4611/ 4611 for .50
46/all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 / 4611 for .60

11 won the pace battle. 4 & 10 caught him, with the 4 winning late. 10 second. 11 held 3rd, 6 up for 4th.

4/1 18/1 9/5 9/2 paid $2,317 for a buck.

I obviously picked a positive case....(and most recent).

It is SO important in the era of dime supers to weight out wagers. Don't play all tickets for the same increment. Unless it's a large field and you just want to hit it.

As you can see in the previous example, the "LPB Horses-Lost the pace battle horses" ran out, so instead of hitting it for /50, I hit it for $1.10.

When you're right, you should be handsomely rewarded and not just hit it.

There are times, that I will use ALL on top, especially when it's a wide open race and I have 2 keys underneath.

ALL/ALL/35/35

ALL/35/ALL/35

ALL/35/35/ALL

My superfecta wagers all depend on the situation and the opinions of that specific race.

[EMD4ME]

I try to pick a winner first.

If it's one of the favorites, i single him on top

Fav

Then I want a price horse to key either just 3rd and 4th or 2nd-4th. If I can't find a price, I skip the race. Ultra chalky supers are not my thing.

= FAV/abc/abcd/PRICE and FAV/abc/PRICE/abcd

if it's a spread race, maybe I use 3 on top, and pyramid from there by adding a horse or two for 3rd and 4th places.
123/123/123a/123ab

Agreed :ThmbUp:

[Robert Fischer]

with xpressbet mobile (and other adw platforms as well) you can bet the denominations without having to meet a $2 minimum.

I made a bet in the 8th race @ Parx , after reading this thread

took a stab, no racing form

1/238/238/5 = cost 60cents

came in 1/6/4/2/5
so I really wasn't even close to hitting it. Paid an unusual $50 for the dime, due to the 6 and 4 being prices for place and show.

still an example of the structure i may use when i have a favorite on top.

For my minimum dice-roll type bet as above, I just like to key my price Fourth only. My reasoning is that some of the public money in a superfecta is 'pyramid shaped' (ab/abc/abcd/abcde) <--- spread on the bottom..
So singling in the 4th slot squeezes a little more value out of the wager.

[kingfin66]

I recommend doing a search for posts by raybo. He is a dedicated superfecta player and has shared many of his thoughts about the wager on the board. Check him out as I think you will like his insights.

[Tall One]

Thaskalos' Evil Dime Super threads are worth a read as well.

[kingfin66]

Thaskalos' Evil Dime Super threads are worth a read as well.

They are indeed.

[betovernetcapper]

I only play when I can isolate one position. Often in maiden or non winners of two races there is one horse that is almost certain to run 2nd. I tend to structure my tickets around that position.
In the win position, one to three contenders.
Place-sucker horse
Show one to three contenders, plus a speed horse that figures to quit. HDW did a study that indicates early speed types are more likely to run third, rather then 2nd if they don't win. This is untrue on a speed favoring track, where early speed is likely to run one-two. In this position, I include any horse that seems to have a proclivity to run 3rd. An example of this is a horse that has had 13 starts,no wins ,1 place & 4 thirds. Fine he goes in. In addition in this position I throw in the strongest closer.
For 4th, I duplicate the show runners.

This ticket is sort of bottom heavy which is logical because the 3rd & 4th spots are often the most ambiguous. In the most expensive scenario with 3 contenders on top with one sucker horse with 3 contenders & one early speed quitter & one horse that likes to run 3rd & the best closer with 3 contenders & one early speed quitter & one horse that likes to run 3rd & the best closer, we are talking 60 combinations or $6.00 on a ten cent ticket. Usually I don't play that many combinations as one of the contenders is going to also be a speed horse that may fade or is the strongest closer or there is no horse with a proclivity to run 3rd or there may only be one or two horses I like for the win spot.

I'm not recommending this kind of structure. It's the structure, I've sort of drifted into and it seems logical to me. :)

[thespaah]

So many different strategies can be effective.....

I don't really use the traditional 1X3X4X6 or other similar approaches.

Only in super rare occassions do I look at a box of any kind.

What I like to do is take advantage of a super when I have multiple opinions in the same race.

For EX: Last race at Emerald sunday, my opinion was that the 11 would win the pace battle but lose the war.

Opinion #2 was that the 4 and 6 would both rally late and that 1 of them would get up for the win.

Opinion #3, the horses that I expected to lose the pace battle, would or should be out of the super.



Because of the aforementioned my super wagers were as follows:

46 / 4611/ 4611/ all for .50
46 / 4611/ 4611/ to all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle for .60

46 / 4611/ all/ 4611 for .50
46 / 4611/ all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 for .60

46/ all/ 4611/ 4611 for .50
46/all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 / 4611 for .60

11 won the pace battle. 4 & 10 caught him, with the 4 winning late. 10 second. 11 held 3rd, 6 up for 4th.

4/1 18/1 9/5 9/2 paid $2,317 for a buck.

I obviously picked a positive case....(and most recent).

It is SO important in the era of dime supers to weight out wagers. Don't play all tickets for the same increment. Unless it's a large field and you just want to hit it.

As you can see in the previous example, the "LPB Horses-Lost the pace battle horses" ran out, so instead of hitting it for /50, I hit it for $1.10.

When you're right, you should be handsomely rewarded and not just hit it.

There are times, that I will use ALL on top, especially when it's a wide open race and I have 2 keys underneath.

ALL/ALL/35/35

ALL/35/ALL/35

ALL/35/35/ALL

My superfecta wagers all depend on the situation and the opinions of that specific race.
Took a look at the chart....I can only imagine if the :7: ( 59-1) had gotten up to beat the :6: for 4th what your ticket would have paid....You may have scooped the pool.

[thespaah]

So many different strategies can be effective.....

I don't really use the traditional 1X3X4X6 or other similar approaches.

Only in super rare occassions do I look at a box of any kind.

What I like to do is take advantage of a super when I have multiple opinions in the same race.

For EX: Last race at Emerald sunday, my opinion was that the 11 would win the pace battle but lose the war.

Opinion #2 was that the 4 and 6 would both rally late and that 1 of them would get up for the win.

Opinion #3, the horses that I expected to lose the pace battle, would or should be out of the super.



Because of the aforementioned my super wagers were as follows:

46 / 4611/ 4611/ all for .50
46 / 4611/ 4611/ to all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle for .60

46 / 4611/ all/ 4611 for .50
46 / 4611/ all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 for .60

46/ all/ 4611/ 4611 for .50
46/all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 / 4611 for .60

11 won the pace battle. 4 & 10 caught him, with the 4 winning late. 10 second. 11 held 3rd, 6 up for 4th.

4/1 18/1 9/5 9/2 paid $2,317 for a buck.

I obviously picked a positive case....(and most recent).

It is SO important in the era of dime supers to weight out wagers. Don't play all tickets for the same increment. Unless it's a large field and you just want to hit it.

As you can see in the previous example, the "LPB Horses-Lost the pace battle horses" ran out, so instead of hitting it for /50, I hit it for $1.10.

When you're right, you should be handsomely rewarded and not just hit it.

There are times, that I will use ALL on top, especially when it's a wide open race and I have 2 keys underneath.

ALL/ALL/35/35

ALL/35/ALL/35

ALL/35/35/ALL

My superfecta wagers all depend on the situation and the opinions of that specific race.
Just out of curiosity, what was your total investment on this particular race?

[EMD4ME]

Took a look at the chart....I can only imagine if the :7: ( 59-1) had gotten up to beat the :6: for 4th what your ticket would have paid....You may have scooped the pool.

If the 7 would've gotten 4th, I would've cashed zero as my opinon was the 4 or 6 win the race AND the other runs anywhere behind ALONG with the 11 hitting the 2nd, 3rd 4th spots.

I don't have 4 10 11 7 if it comes in that way as the 6 would've been out, hence I lose.

[EMD4ME]

Just out of curiosity, what was your total investment on this particular race?

Without checking, $72 bucks on that superfecta opinion.

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

The entries drive the strategy, not the other way around. You also have to consider the odds. Why play supers instead of tris if you are eliminating the longest shots for 4th.

[coachv30]

Here's two strategies that I use. I've attached two winning examples to help you follow along. I treat both of these strategies by first identifying how I would play the exacta in the race.

Strategy A piggybacks off of a (ABC)EBX bet

Strategy B piggybacks off of a (A w B,C,DE) ex key bet

Strategy A-

Leg 1- A B C

Leg 2- A B C

Leg 3- A B C D E

Leg 4- B C D E F

10 cents - $4.40; 20 cents = $8.80


Strategy B

Leg 1- A B C

Leg 2- A D E

Leg 3- B C D E

Leg 4- A D E F

10 cents - $5 ; 20 cents- $10

I usually play both tickets in a race when playing supers. Hope this was helpful.

PS. YES...I play dime and 20 cent supers.

[Racey]

good ideas on spreading in part wheels

[ultracapper]

The only time I'm tempted to play a super is when there is a low percentage barn/jock on a suck up that doesn't get bet that looks like it has a better than reasonable chance of getting a decent piece. I'll build around that horse.

[FlintAtTheFetlock]

I haven't tracked this but have had some nice scores for .10. Basically using the 70 % favorite angle getting beat and placing it 3rd. I call it the 'disgusted angle' having seen my anchor leg lock horse disappointing at 3rd or worse.

Assuming at least 8 horses..

I play...

ALL / B C 1* / F / ALL

I will exclude obvious tosses in the first position, but they have to be god-awful.

1* if a 1 and 1A running I use them both in B C position. 2 for 1.

Pretty silly, but this was born from seeing my favorite finish 3rd way too many times and a decent price on top. :bang:

[1st time lasix]

At low take out tracks only---I split favorites in the supers at all times. ....1st and 3rd and perhaps 1st and 4th....trying to get longer odds horses in the two hole. If my handicapping opinion suggests a non-favorite say between (7/2 and 9to1) and I already have him the horizontals...I may use him on top and then split the chalk 2nd and 4th in verticals. Many times I won't use supers in that instance. An exacta, win, or double is enough.

[charm city whizz]

Might give these angles a shot.....

[dilanesp]

So many different strategies can be effective.....

I don't really use the traditional 1X3X4X6 or other similar approaches.

Only in super rare occassions do I look at a box of any kind.

What I like to do is take advantage of a super when I have multiple opinions in the same race.

For EX: Last race at Emerald sunday, my opinion was that the 11 would win the pace battle but lose the war.

Opinion #2 was that the 4 and 6 would both rally late and that 1 of them would get up for the win.

Opinion #3, the horses that I expected to lose the pace battle, would or should be out of the super.



Because of the aforementioned my super wagers were as follows:

46 / 4611/ 4611/ all for .50
46 / 4611/ 4611/ to all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle for .60

46 / 4611/ all/ 4611 for .50
46 / 4611/ all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 for .60

46/ all/ 4611/ 4611 for .50
46/all minus the horses I thought would lose the pace battle/ 4611 / 4611 for .60

11 won the pace battle. 4 & 10 caught him, with the 4 winning late. 10 second. 11 held 3rd, 6 up for 4th.

4/1 18/1 9/5 9/2 paid $2,317 for a buck.

I obviously picked a positive case....(and most recent).

It is SO important in the era of dime supers to weight out wagers. Don't play all tickets for the same increment. Unless it's a large field and you just want to hit it.

As you can see in the previous example, the "LPB Horses-Lost the pace battle horses" ran out, so instead of hitting it for /50, I hit it for $1.10.

When you're right, you should be handsomely rewarded and not just hit it.

There are times, that I will use ALL on top, especially when it's a wide open race and I have 2 keys underneath.

ALL/ALL/35/35

ALL/35/ALL/35

ALL/35/35/ALL

My superfecta wagers all depend on the situation and the opinions of that specific race.

From a math standpoint, your wagers with "all" in the 4th slot should probably just be played as trifectas if that bet is available.