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NorCalGreg
06-17-2016, 07:02 AM
I mentioned Tupelo Cush yesterday in one of these threads---owner/trainer Quentin Miller has tried desperately to get a win out of 'Cush...he used to at least TRY to disguise his intentions.
About a year ago--he and I both realized this was no win-on-demand type horse. Once again, yesterday was a perfect opportunity for Cush to nail one but NOPE--he again hit the board without a win.
Trainer Miller has seriously fallen on hard times also--at one time he could be counted on, after coloring his horse's form--to bring home home a win. I don't think he could have had much on him since Tupelo went off at almost 15-1.
NorCalGreg
06-17-2016, 07:15 AM
Here;s the other trainer---Villermar Candelario: He couldn't be more obvious with first the leap back up to MD 30K--then back down to 10K for the daylight win.
Then the obligatory 7.5F Turf race to maybe give the impression he's some sort of buffoon.....then over to P-town for an easy score.
Wish every trainer was like Candelario. He makes a courtesy effort at fooling bettors, but doesn't turn it into a science project like some do. That 7.5Turf race has been used to darken form forever. Why arent they easier to win? Since a lot of the horses aren't even trying?
Who knows--NCG
johnhannibalsmith
06-17-2016, 10:38 AM
For what it's worth, the Candyman is a good egg when it comes to helping out the racing office. If someone says we need one to make six or seven and draw, he isn't going to roll his eyes and say no thanks. Might be a simpler explanation for the step into the Diodoro maiden level since he never was eager to run with bottom maidens and they just don't fill a lot of races in between any longer. The turf race was the last day of the meet I think. Or last weekend at least. Two-thirds of all horses entered those days were in the wrong race as people just enter to run one last time in whatever fills that resembles their condition.
Maybe you have it right. I've never seen Candyman as a big schemer when it comes to entering his horses, more of a pragmatist, but I like to follow your deductions in these threads since I usually see the simpler explanation for a lot of them.
EDITED because I meant to stick in here somewhere that the move on that filly's form that is the look at me I'm a buffoon move is he ran against winners with her as a maiden. And decent claiming winners at that. THEN, he went to maiden 30. That was the entry with her that made me scratch my head since that did seem a little too helpful.
johnhannibalsmith
06-17-2016, 10:46 AM
Just one more thing dammit I should have pointed out about the maiden 8k win (AZ breds for $10k) - you remember a lot of those awful races. The straight three-year-old filly fives and eights? Those were the races that the amazing Sorta Mine kept busting me ass. The third place finisher is the usual pacesetter in about 90% of all those races run that time of year, Powerofemotion, who was pop and stop and just one of those that you had to bet against every time. Amazingly, I think she wound up getting claimed. Anyway, you might remember that group of fillies that got together regularly to demonstrate how crummy they are. :)
NorCalGreg
06-17-2016, 02:15 PM
Just one more thing dammit I should have pointed out about the maiden 8k win (AZ breds for $10k) - you remember a lot of those awful races. The straight three-year-old filly fives and eights? Those were the races that the amazing Sorta Mine kept busting me ass. The third place finisher is the usual pacesetter in about 90% of all those races run that time of year, Powerofemotion, who was pop and stop and just one of those that you had to bet against every time. Amazingly, I think she wound up getting claimed. Anyway, you might remember that group of fillies that got together regularly to demonstrate how crummy they are. :)
I'm going through withdrawals waiting for Turf Paradise to reopen--I make my living there. Just love that pure speeed...hides the many holes in my game.
We should be on vacation John, in our moments of leisure....watching replays and checking charts---til TP opens up in OCT.
-NCG
EMD4ME
06-17-2016, 06:15 PM
Bet Emerald guys! That's where many of your favorite horses are!
johnhannibalsmith
06-17-2016, 06:48 PM
I try every year. And I struggle. Even though field sizes are probably on par with TuP, I lack the confidence to play those small fields the same way that I do at TuP. And so much of my play anymore is just swinging against short-priced horses that I dislike and my familiarity with the stock there - especially at the start of the meet when many of them are just plain not fit - is just not good enough to confidently play the way that I prefer to. It was a goal of mine last year to try to find a strategy that worked for me and it took me about three weeks to accomplish that goal. I gave up.
EMD4ME
06-17-2016, 07:20 PM
I try every year. And I struggle. Even though field sizes are probably on par with TuP, I lack the confidence to play those small fields the same way that I do at TuP. And so much of my play anymore is just swinging against short-priced horses that I dislike and my familiarity with the stock there - especially at the start of the meet when many of them are just plain not fit - is just not good enough to confidently play the way that I prefer to. It was a goal of mine last year to try to find a strategy that worked for me and it took me about three weeks to accomplish that goal. I gave up.
Field size is up tremendously this year. For what that's worth JHS.
johnhannibalsmith
06-17-2016, 08:16 PM
Field size is up tremendously this year. For what that's worth JHS.
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Now that they are in full flight up there, I'll probably peck away from time to time. Pretty much any time you have mentioned a big pick five opportunity, I've dialed them up on the ADW and taken a look. As Greg sort of mentioned in his post, without summer racing in Arizona any longer and with horses in the non-betting state of New Mexico usually, I more or less go on wagering vacation for the summer. The racing in New York gets fun and particularly good right about now (which isn't any way to say that I don't have a soft spot for winter racing at AQU) straight through the start of the TuP meet. So I usually look there, watch most of the races, maybe find a play for kicks here and there. Truth be told, I just don't have it in me to try all that hard anymore anyway and so I loiter in my comfort zone for better or for worse.
But since you decided to stick around this place and keep me entertained, I will make a concerted effort to pay more attention and take a few serious swings up there once in a while... eventually. :)
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