Not blaming this on Trump, but...

[Nutz and Boltz]

What an A_ _ HOLE this guy is!

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/31888456/tow-truck-owner-bernie-sanders

[Spiderman]

What an A_ _ HOLE this guy is!

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/31888456/tow-truck-owner-bernie-sanders

Triple A should be contacted to remove the tow-head from approved tow truck operator list.

[Inner Dirt]

Where do you draw the line at a businesses right to refuse service? I once told a guy to pound sand when he asked me to make him a custom grille emblem that had a swastika in it. Nobody faults me for that, but if I refused to make a gay pride emblem the liberals would be all over me.

[barahona44]

In the comments section, there was a link to where the tow truck operator had pled guilty to insurance fraud in South Carolina.I'm guessing the commenter must have had a grudge against Mr.Shupe.There's a skeleton in every closet.

This is what happens when you mix your politics with your business.

[Rookies]

On the other side of the border, we have a huge tragedy in play, with massive, out of control, wildfires, burning through parts of small cities. In fact, nature turned so quickly and violently, that most persons fled with their families and clothes on their backs, as sparks cascaded on the road they were fleeing on.

A living, life threatening hell.

This is the centre of the northern Oil industry in Canada and home to some of Canada's most conservative citizens. The local Provincial member is the Leader of a party of the extreme right. His house was burned down.

To the point. Canadians from all stripes and across the country, including the Federal Liberal Government are doing everything in their power to aid them. Politics here is not infected by assholes in times of crisis.

[Tom]

Comparing the actions of one idiot to a national emergency.....wow.

[Nutz and Boltz]

Politics here is not infected by assholes in times of crisis.

Neither is it in this country. This isn't a "time of crisis" in the USA , just another everyday occurrence by a_ _holes. .

Another reason why I say...

[bks]

Where do you draw the line at a businesses right to refuse service? I once told a guy to pound sand when he asked me to make him a custom grille emblem that had a swastika in it. Nobody faults me for that, but if I refused to make a gay pride emblem the liberals would be all over me.

So denying Nazis is equivalent to denying gays?

[Dave Schwartz]

So denying Nazis is equivalent to denying gays?

According to the laws of the land, yes.

[Nutz and Boltz]

According to the laws of the land, yes.

There are many things in this world that are not "illegal", but are "shady" or"unfair".

[therussmeister]

Where do you draw the line at a businesses right to refuse service? I once told a guy to pound sand when he asked me to make him a custom grille emblem that had a swastika in it. Nobody faults me for that, but if I refused to make a gay pride emblem the liberals would be all over me.
Was he Hindu or Buddhist?

[Tom]

According to the laws of the land, yes.

I would deny any gays who wanted to buy Nazi paraphernalia.

[fast4522]

There are many things in this world that are not "illegal", but are "shady" or"unfair".

This is a tough subject, I can fault the tow truck driver for telling the driver why but not fault him for passing on the tow. Every year x number of tow truck drivers are killed in the line of work, so who you risk your life for comes to mind. The law says if you stop and get out to help that you have to stay unless you provide help or other help arrives. Often a tow operator comes by and tells or not that he cannot, sometimes something is already on the hook or en route to another call. Bad form is something a seasoned professional does not practice.

[TJDave]

if I refused to make a gay pride emblem...

Would you have done that?

[Parkview_Pirate]

When he saw “a bunch of Bernie Sanders stuff” he said he told the woman, “very politely,” that he could’t tow her car because she was “obviously a socialist” and advised her to “call the government” for a tow.

"Every business dealing in recent history with a socialist minded person I have not gotten paid," Shupe said. "Every time I deal with these people I get 'Berned' with an 'e' not a 'u'."

Shupe, who runs Shupee Max Towing in Travelers Rest, said he is a conservative Christian who supports Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

He's gonna have a hard time explaining that action to Jesus.

[TJDave]

He's gonna have a hard time explaining that action to Jesus.

If you believe in a heaven and hell then...

No, he won't. ;)

[zico20]

I love the part where the woman claims she was terrified by being stranded for hours and not being able to use the restroom. Oh please, if I was stranded on the side of the road and had to take a dump, I would pull my pants down and just do it. Sounds like this woman has more mental issues than physical issues. She should get herself into a mental ward ASAP. Being a Sanders supporter certainly adds a sense of urgency to it.

[Stillriledup]

What an A_ _ HOLE this guy is!

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/31888456/tow-truck-owner-bernie-sanders

He's being elected to make America great again, not to be a nice guy.

[Nutz and Boltz]

He's being elected to make America great again, not to be a nice guy.

Somebody missed the point of the story. It's not about Trump being impolite. It's not about Donald Trump at all. It's about the way people act out their prejudices against people even by their political views or life styles. The tow truck driver knew nothing about the woman or her life situation, just that she had a Bernie sticker on her bumper, and refused to help with such a dumb ,stupid excuse. That, my friend is an Asshole!

[jballscalls]

Where do you draw the line at a businesses right to refuse service? I once told a guy to pound sand when he asked me to make him a custom grille emblem that had a swastika in it. Nobody faults me for that, but if I refused to make a gay pride emblem the liberals would be all over me.

I think that's cause one group killed millions of people and the other group would just like to be treated well for being who they are. I would guess that's why the difference in reaction.

[classhandicapper]

So denying Nazis is equivalent to denying gays?

It depends on whether you value principles and private property or personal subjective judgement.

Liberals tend to value their judgement over principles until conservatives get power and try to impose their judgement on them and vice versa. Then they all have a hissy fit. That's why there is a good argument for being driven by private property and principle over political fashion. You may occasionally suffer the downside of having to protect the rights of someone you don't agree with, but that's better than someone you disagree with imposing their will on you.

[Inner Dirt]

I refused to make a gay pride emblem the liberals would be all over me.

Would you have done that?

It would depend on what it was. If it was was just lettering that said "Gay and proud" I would have done it. If it was two shadow figures of two guys having sex the answer would have been no. I have turned down business just because I didn't like someone's personality. I do all custom machine work so it is a unique situation.

[Inner Dirt]

Where do you draw the line at a businesses right to refuse service? I once told a guy to pound sand when he asked me to make him a custom grille emblem that had a swastika in it. Nobody faults me for that, but if I refused to make a gay pride emblem the liberals would be all over me.


I think that's cause one group killed millions of people and the other group would just like to be treated well for being who they are. I would guess that's why the difference in reaction.

On the other hand maybe Mr. White Power has done nothing against the law himself, and is just expressing his beliefs. On the other hand if you are Christian (I am not religious) and follow the teachings of the Bible the gay guy is a sinner. In this specific case a Christian could view the gay guy with more disdain than the Nazi.

[mostpost]

Where do you draw the line at a businesses right to refuse service? I once told a guy to pound sand when he asked me to make him a custom grille emblem that had a swastika in it. Nobody faults me for that, but if I refused to make a gay pride emblem the liberals would be all over me.
Interesting that you should think that the two are comparable. The Nazis murdered millions of people including many gay people. The gay pride movement killed nobody. That might be a place to draw that line.

[Tom]

I love the part where the woman claims she was terrified by being stranded for hours and not being able to use the restroom. Oh please, if I was stranded on the side of the road and had to take a dump, I would pull my pants down and just do it. Sounds like this woman has more mental issues than physical issues. She should get herself into a mental ward ASAP. Being a Sanders supporter certainly adds a sense of urgency to it.

Yes, but nowadays, she can use ANY bathroom she pleases, so it is really troubling that she is unable to use her new-found rights to pee anywhere.

[mostpost]

On the other hand maybe Mr. White Power has done nothing against the law himself, and is just expressing his beliefs. On the other hand if you are Christian (I am not religious) and follow the teachings of the Bible the gay guy is a sinner.
And the Nazi is not? You cannot be serious.

In this specific case a Christian could view the gay guy with more disdain than the Nazi.
I have just realized that you are right. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: The gay guy has to be morally more reprehensible than the Nazi. After all, the Bible says nothing about Nazis, while saying homosexuals should be stoned to death.

Clearly we should be applauding the Nazis for murdering millions of Jews and homosexuals, while we condemn people for wanting to be happy in their private lives.

In case you missed it-which you probably did-there is a heavy dose of sarcasm in the above.

[Stillriledup]

Where do you draw the line at a businesses right to refuse service? I once told a guy to pound sand when he asked me to make him a custom grille emblem that had a swastika in it. Nobody faults me for that, but if I refused to make a gay pride emblem the liberals would be all over me.

Why would you refuse any service to a paying customer? Aren't you in business to make money?

[mostpost]

Let's get back to the original subject of the thread. Which was that a tow truck owner-operator refused to tow a woman's car because she had a Bernie Sanders sticker on her car.

He claimed it was because the stickers proved that she was a socialist and he had been "Berned" by socialists before, not simply because the lady was supporting Sanders. Well, we can't prove whether Mr. Shupe was or was not "Berned" by socialists in the past, but it is doubtful. More likely, anytime someone fails to pay him in a timely manner, his prejudices assign the socialism tag to them.

Regardless of that, in this case he was going to get paid. Because Mr. Shupe was not the person Ms. McWade called for a tow. She called the mechanic she had been doing business with for years. That person had all of his equipment engaged in other calls and would have been unable to make the service call for several hours. So he sub-contracted the job to Mr. Shupe and when he did, he told Mr. Shupe that he would guarantee the payment.

He did so because Ms. McWade had been a customer for many years and had a stellar credit history with him.

Shupe knew he was going to get paid. He refused the tow just to stick it to the woman.

As the Greenville attorney said, there are no laws against discriminating on the basis of political affiliation. There are laws against discriminating against the handicapped. There is ample evidence that Kenneth Shupe knew McWade was handicapped.

[Nutz and Boltz]

:4: Let's get back to the original subject of the thread. Which was that a tow truck owner-operator refused to tow a woman's car because she had a Bernie Sanders sticker on her car.

He claimed it was because the stickers proved that she was a socialist and he had been "Berned" by socialists before, not simply because the lady was supporting Sanders. Well, we can't prove whether Mr. Shupe was or was not "Berned" by socialists in the past, but it is doubtful. More likely, anytime someone fails to pay him in a timely manner, his prejudices assign the socialism tag to them.

Regardless of that, in this case he was going to get paid. Because Mr. Shupe was not the person Ms. McWade called for a tow. She called the mechanic she had been doing business with for years. That person had all of his equipment engaged in other calls and would have been unable to make the service call for several hours. So he sub-contracted the job to Mr. Shupe and when he did, he told Mr. Shupe that he would guarantee the payment.

He did so because Ms. McWade had been a customer for many years and had a stellar credit history with him.

Shupe knew he was going to get paid. He refused the tow just to stick it to the woman.

As the Greenville attorney said, there are no laws against discriminating on the basis of political affiliation. There are laws against discriminating against the handicapped. There is ample evidence that Kenneth Shupe knew McWade was handicapped.
Just another case of "redneck thinking". Jumping to conclusions by how things seem on the face of it.

[delayjf]

Clearly we should be applauding the Nazis for murdering millions of Jews and homosexuals, while we condemn people for wanting to be happy in their private lives.

Being multi talented, I can disapprove of both. And what's preventing gays from being happy in their private life? They are no more entitled to societies approval than anyone else.

[johnhannibalsmith]

... There are laws against discriminating against the handicapped. There is ample evidence that Kenneth Shupe knew McWade was handicapped.

This last couple sentences kind of wrecked what had been a perfectly wonderful post. The guy is enough of a douche without the laws being reinterpreted moronically any more than necessary. The guy willingly copped to discriminating on the basis of politics, everything indicated that was the case, and that is plenty lame enough when looking at the entire scenario as you laid out. Nowhere in all of that eloquent dissection and analysis do you ever mention the part where he discriminates on the basis of a handicap. Being handicapped and getting the shaft can be mutually exclusive. When they are, a law is generally not being violated. Not a civil rights one, for sure. She isn't a victim of political bias because she is handicapped and her handicap, by every account that I've read, was never - in any way, to his detriment in my judgment - a factor in his decision. So just let the guy be a piece of shit without pretending that you have violated the ADA or something by discriminating against the handicapped not on the basis of their handicap.

[Tom]

....while we condemn people for wanting to be happy in their private lives.

Not at all. If they keep it in their private lives, no one really gives a hoot.
It is when they try to force us to participate that we object.

Don't ask, don't tell.
You know, you must agree with that....a CLINTON said it.

[Nutz and Boltz]

Not at all. If they keep it in their private lives, no one really gives a hoot.
It is when they try to force us to participate that we object.

Don't ask, don't tell.
You know, you must agree with that....a CLINTON said it.

I agree, it was much better in the "don't ask, don't tell" days. 

[Clocker]

Don't ask, don't tell.
You know, you must agree with that....a CLINTON said it.

Was that before or after they flip-flopped on the Defense of Marriage Act? :rolleyes:

[Nutz and Boltz]

Not at all. If they keep it in their private lives, no one really gives a hoot.
It is when they try to force us to participate that we object.

We don't parade our private life in the streets. It's no longer private then.

Though I don't see anyone out there lately that should be proud of the way they look,act or dress! :D Gimmee a break ! :D

[Clocker]

They are no more entitled to societies approval than anyone else.

Not so. They are a minority, and as such are entitled to approval, to respect, and to society making every effort to insure that they feel good about themselves and are not offended by ideas they don't agree with.

If there is any confusion as to what constitutes a minority, it is everyone except adult white males who "self-identify" as such. :rolleyes:

[Inner Dirt]

Interesting that you should think that the two are comparable. The Nazis murdered millions of people including many gay people. The gay pride movement killed nobody. That might be a place to draw that line.

Where did I say they were comparable? I refused someone service because of I disagreed with their beliefs. I just happened to discriminate against a group most people don't like, but I still discriminated. Just because a guy wants to display a Nazi emblem doesn't mean he believes in murdering people or that he has harmed someone in anyway. Freedom of speech is for all, whether you like the message or not.

[PaceAdvantage]

:4:
Just another case of "redneck thinking". Jumping to conclusions by how things seem on the face of it.Yeah, because only "rednecks" do that kind of thing... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :eek: