Lewandowski charged with battery

[PaceAdvantage]

...for grabbing the reporter's arm a few weeks back.

Interesting...as I asked in another thread, will the Secret Service be charged for keeping people away from Trump too?

If this were a male reporter, would he still have been charged?

Grabbing someone's arm in the hustle and bustle of a campaign appearance amounts to assault, eh?

One wonders how the futures trading pits of Chicago managed all those years...somehow I don't think this is going to hold up in court, but hey, it's some more negativity for Trump, so I guess that's good.

[PaceAdvantage]

All the Trump bashers, get out your "WAR ON WOMEN" signs.

[barahona44]

It'll be interesting to see if Trump tosses him under the bus, keeps him in his present job,or quietly kicks him upstairs.

[OntheRail]

From the look of it on the video it looked like he grabbed her between the elbow and shoulder to move her aside. No violent yanking about. She shows no immediate indication of any discomfort nor getting up from the ground as she had also claimed. Waits.. was it two days before contacting Police cause she did not get whatever from Trump. And injury is now on forearm. :rolleyes:

[PaceAdvantage]

Lock him up and throw away the key...and lock up Trump too for that matter.

That's what I say.

And no more touching anyone at these types of events. Everyone wrap themselves in bubble wrap too.

[PaceAdvantage]

Updated thread to reflect charge of battery, not assault...

[Stillriledup]

I saw the interview w the woman who was 'grabbed'

All I Can say is hopefully she has a fine career moving forward.

[Rookies]

Let's review when charges at Drumpf rallies should be laid:

1) Dude at Drumpf Rally #1, who sucker punched the kid?
ABSOLUTELY.
2) Secret Service dude who body slammed the reporter at Drumpf rally #2?
If he wasn't SS- yes. In this case, hmmmm... may need more info.
3) Dude at Drumpf Rally #3, who kicked and sucker punched protestor?
ABSOLUTELY.
4) This incident?
Meh. But, what was Lewandiwski doing playing SS, here. Oh yeah, he was in his ex cop role.
And, was there anything else that happened outta camera range?
And, why was he going after a pro Drumpf reporter from Breitbart? Strange, indeed.

[barahona44]

Let's review when charges at Drumpf rallies should be laid:

1) Dude at Drumpf Rally #1, who sucker punched the kid?
ABSOLUTELY.
2) Secret Service dude who body slammed the reporter at Drumpf rally #2?
If he wasn't SS- yes. In this case, hmmmm... may need more info.
3) Dude at Drumpf Rally #3, who kicked and sucker punched protestor?
ABSOLUTELY.
4) This incident?
Meh. But, what was Lewandiwski doing playing SS, here. Oh yeah, he was in his ex cop role.
And, was there anything else that happened outta camera range?
And, why was he going after a pro Drumpf reporter from Breitbart? Strange, indeed.
Without, of course, being able to get inside Lewandowski's head, success does breed arrogance.

[PaceAdvantage]

And, why was he going after a pro Drumpf reporter from Breitbart? Strange, indeed.Is there a reason why he should have known who she was? If he knew who she was, then his case is much weaker.

[Stillriledup]

Let's review when charges at Drumpf rallies should be laid:

1) Dude at Drumpf Rally #1, who sucker punched the kid?
ABSOLUTELY.
2) Secret Service dude who body slammed the reporter at Drumpf rally #2?
If he wasn't SS- yes. In this case, hmmmm... may need more info.
3) Dude at Drumpf Rally #3, who kicked and sucker punched protestor?
ABSOLUTELY.
4) This incident?
Meh. But, what was Lewandiwski doing playing SS, here. Oh yeah, he was in his ex cop role.
And, was there anything else that happened outta camera range?
And, why was he going after a pro Drumpf reporter from Breitbart? Strange, indeed.

Drumpf? Do people in Canada not know how to spell?

[Rookies]

Is there a reason why he should have known who she was? If he knew who she was, then his case is much weaker.

Well, he & Trump lied about the entire incident to begin with. What they said was totally false- but not surprising to me, that they lied.

Of course, this was stated unequivocally because he/they believed there were NO cameras. Too bad, so sad, there were.

[Rookies]

Drumpf? Do people in Canada not know how to spell?

Maybe, you could spend one of your 25k posts to actually check that out.

[PaceAdvantage]

Well, he & Trump lied about the entire incident to begin with. What they said was totally false- but not surprising to me, that they lied.

Of course, this was stated unequivocally because he/they believed there were NO cameras. Too bad, so sad, there were.Is there a way to pin this on Trump and charge him too? I hope so...

We should put everyone in jail that we disagree with.

[Rookies]

Is there a way to pin this on Trump and charge him too? I hope so...

We should put everyone in jail that we disagree with.

Of course, not.

But why the F is it just a standard election practice to bald faced lie yourself out of any situation that crops up? BOTH of them, at the time, immediately said that it never happened and Lewandowski said:
"I never TOUCHED her."

And why did Trump feel it necessary to lie about it too?

Just apologize- at the time & move on. What is wrong with these people?

[PaceAdvantage]

I never paid too much attention to this, so I can't argue with you.

The timing of Trump's comment...where he was in relation to all this as it was going down...whether or not anyone had a second thought about grabbing someone by the forearm...

I mean, really? Who the hell thinks about the fact they might be committing assault or battery when reaching out and holding someone's arm?

All he has to say is he was trying to get her out of harm's way or some bullshit like that.

Or is the claim here that he was REALLY out to HURT her? Is that what this was all about? It was intentional to cause HARM?

[Fager Fan]

Drumpf? Do people in Canada not know how to spell?

Rockies imagines himself clever.

[Fager Fan]

I never paid too much attention to this, so I can't argue with you.

The timing of Trump's comment...where he was in relation to all this as it was going down...whether or not anyone had a second thought about grabbing someone by the forearm...

I mean, really? Who the hell thinks about the fact they might be committing assault or battery when reaching out and holding someone's arm?

All he has to say is he was trying to get her out of harm's way or some bullshit like that.

Or is the claim here that he was REALLY out to HURT her? Is that what this was all about? It was intentional to cause HARM?

It's a ridiculous charge and this reporter is an embarrassment to women. They want to be treated equally yet only a tiny man would claim this was assault or battery.

[woodtoo]

Well, he & Trump lied about the entire incident to begin with. What they said was totally false- but not surprising to me, that they lied.

Of course, this was stated unequivocally because he/they believed there were NO cameras. Too bad, so sad, there were.
Trump lied and there were no cameras.....gotcha

[Rookies]

I never paid too much attention to this, so I can't argue with you.

The timing of Trump's comment...where he was in relation to all this as it was going down...whether or not anyone had a second thought about grabbing someone by the forearm...

I mean, really? Who the hell thinks about the fact they might be committing assault or battery when reaching out and holding someone's arm?

All he has to say is he was trying to get her out of harm's way or some bullshit like that.

Or is the claim here that he was REALLY out to HURT her? Is that what this was all about? It was intentional to cause HARM?

Mike, I personally think THIS incident is overblown. However, it's like anything else. It's the next action/inaction that generates the real controversy.

But, both Lewandowski & Trump should not have bullshitted it at the time, nor should they be doubling down now. L. should have used the protection line immediately (although where was the SS then?), plus apologizing for any inconvenience. Let the chips fall down the road, but to deny it ever happened, looks stupid, disingenuous and typical Drumpf campaign faux bluster.

In any other serious campaign, somebody like L. would have been asked to step down, until the facts get a hearing. Not this clown.

[Fager Fan]

Mike, I personally think THIS incident is overblown. However, it's like anything else. It's the next action/inaction that generates the real controversy.

But, both Lewandowski & Trump should not have bullshitted it at the time, nor should they be doubling down now. L. should have used the protection line immediately (although where was the SS then?), plus apologizing for any inconvenience. Let the chips fall down the road, but to deny it ever happened, looks stupid, disingenuous and typical Drumpf campaign faux bluster.

In any other serious campaign, somebody like L. would have been asked to step down, until the facts get a hearing. Not this clown.

The video shows it's nothing. A pansy doesn't stand by his guy when he did nothing wrong, so props to Trump.

[MutuelClerk]

Once again the media is saying this is it for Trump. This will be hard to recover from. At least the media is consistent. And as usual they will be wrong.

[Rookies]

The video shows it's nothing. A pansy doesn't stand by his guy when he did nothing wrong, so props to Trump.


L. "You are totally delusional. I never touched you."

Liars, of course, stand by their man.

[Fager Fan]

L. "You are totally delusional. I never touched you."

Liars, of course, stand by their man.

He could've not known or remember it.

Big freaking deal. Detractors just trying to make it a big freaking deal.

[ArlJim78]

Of course there was no assault of any kind, but the prosecutor is on Hillary's team so bring on the phony charges. The reporter herself was invading Trumps space and touching his arm, you can see in some photo's where Trump is pulling his arm away from her and two secret service agents guiding her away.
If you watch the video and read her accounting of the incident I guarantee that you'll laugh for 10 minutes. Even Piers Morgan called this complete BS. what an embarrassment for all involved, to stoop to such idiocy.
She has a history of this, putting herself into the story.
Phony racism, paid protesters instigating violence, phony assault charges; Trump has caused the entire Washington uniparty and the media to lose their collective minds

[ArlJim78]

here is a photo isolating Fields, the two agents and Trump right at the instant she was encroaching on his space and Trump pulling his hand away.
Lewandowski is just behind.

[barahona44]

L. "You are totally delusional. I never touched you."

Liars, of course, stand by their man.
As Tammy Wynette looks down from heaven, she is all smiles.

[betovernetcapper]

The Secret Service has the job of protecting the candidate. These guys are healthy, young, strong highly trained bipartisan & in general the best in their
field. If any physical action needs to be taken, it's best to leave it to them. Under most circumstances the candidates staff should not touch anyone. If your on Flip Flop Trumps staff, you for sure shouldn't touch a woman.
A lot of paparazzi have won money in court when celebrities have touched or had similar contact with them. I see this "assault" as being similar. It's not fair, but it's the law.

[Greyfox]

This woman is making a mountain out of a mole hill for her 15 minutes in the sun.

[Stillriledup]

Maybe, you could spend one of your 25k posts to actually check that out.

Post a bit more and maybe you can be as influential, powerful, respected and revered as I am.

One day Rook. :ThmbUp:

[MONEY]

This is all bull, Michelle Fields has a book coming out in June and needed publicity.

http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/248283/barons-of-the-beltway-by-michelle-fields/9780553447552/

[PaceAdvantage]

Anyone who watches the video...knows this desk appearance ticket for battery is a joke.

And anyone who reads the reporter's statement should REALLY know it's a joke.

Her statement and the video just DO NOT MATCH.

I have to conclude that the ONLY reason this charge transpired was political in nature.

[Rookies]

Anyone who watches the video...knows this desk appearance ticket for battery is a joke.

And anyone who reads the reporter's statement should REALLY know it's a joke.

Her statement and the video just DO NOT MATCH.

I have to conclude that the ONLY reason this charge transpired was political in nature.

By whom?

Breitbart supports Drumpf!

[PaceAdvantage]

By whom?

Breitbart supports Drumpf!By whom? The parties who are entertaining this ridiculous charge. Did I hear the attorney general there is in Hillary's camp?

[Stillriledup]

Hypothetical : So a woman attacks Donald and the bodyguard is asked why didn't you stop her and his answer is 'I was worried about getting fired so I didnt want to touch anyone"

Considering how polarizing Trump has Been and how many crazies are out there for this random unknown woman to even be NEAR trump is ridiculous it's like sticking your hand in a piranha tank and Getting bit and then suing the aquarium.

[betovernetcapper]

Anyone who watches the video...knows this desk appearance ticket for battery is a joke.

And anyone who reads the reporter's statement should REALLY know it's a joke.

Her statement and the video just DO NOT MATCH.

I have to conclude that the ONLY reason this charge transpired was political in nature.

It could be political or financial. In a civil suit, I can see it going either way 50-50 pic em. In terms of politics, Trump fairs poorly with women & this does not help his cause. On my Twitter feed Some women posted something about Women for Trump. I tweeted " A woman voting for Trump is like a Black voting for David Duke. Makeup affecting your brain?"

Whatever this was a stupid move on the part of Lewandowski. In today's PC & litigious world you've got to take great care in any physical contact.

[sammy the sage]

Is there a way to pin this on Trump and charge him too? I hope so...

We should put everyone in jail that we disagree with.

Isn't THAT....Trump's main TALKING point.... :rolleyes:

[rastajenk]

I tweeted " A woman voting for Trump is like a Black voting for David Duke. Makeup affecting your brain?"Tell me about this. Why is it that we are told women are polling against him? Is it his succession of beautiful wives, and they harbor jealousy? Because he can talk like a regular person sometimes, and they are too sensitive to bear it? Has he made any proposals that are gender-based to a significantly negative degree?

Many women have sons and daughters in the military, are they supposed to be offended by the mere presence of Donald Trump? Many women made a simple piece of suburban porn trash like 50 Shades of Gray into a best-seller, are they supposed to be offended by his celebrity lifestyle? Many women are business owners and operators in their own right, but is there something about Trump's successes that should make them automatically support Clinton anyway?

I'm not getting the gender thing. Explain.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

I know from refereeing high school basketball we are told in no uncertain terms that you don't lay hands on anybody, players or coaches. As soon as you do you are wrong, and that is simply the reality you better understand. That being said, the situation is overblown and as with everything where Trump is involved, it becomes the media's number one focus. I totally agree that Trump has professional bodyguards in the form of the Secret Service, and you let them handle any situation that requires physical intervention. Lewandowski showed poor judgement, even if it was because he was caught up in the moment. I'll use one more example from basketball. If you blow a call, and you know you blew a call, and the coach calls you on it, the best way to handle it is to tell the coach you kicked it. You can't do that more than once in a game, but the first time it is pretty disarming. If Lewandowski had simply said, I was caught up in the crush of the crowd, I had no intent to hurt anyone, I was just trying to keep the candidate safe, and I apologize to Ms. Whateverhername. It was totally unintended. Then we would be talking about Kasich, Trump and Cruz saying they wouldn't support the other if they were the Republican nominee.

[Rookies]

. If Lewandowski had simply said, I was caught up in the crush of the crowd, I had no intent to hurt anyone, I was just trying to keep the candidate safe, and I apologize to Ms. Whateverhername. It was totally unintended. Then we would be talking about Kasich, Trump and Cruz saying they wouldn't support the other if they were the Republican nominee.

1000%! :ThmbUp:

The issue with Drumpf is that he needs to be hooked up to a Lie Detector apparatus 24-7-365! He simply cannot tell the truth- ever! (Creepily, reminds me of the late Rob Ford, where the standard response to when he was lying was- "check to see if his lips are moving"!)

Cooper asked him about when he last apologized for anything. His reply?
"To my mother, for some foul language."

When was that? The mid 70s? :rolleyes:

He simply refuses to tell the truth and doubles down on the lie eveytime, by interrupting & obstructing the questioner with the ubiquitous... "Excuse me, that's not true."

When, of course, it is.

And, Lewandowski obviously taking the same addled cue, decided to double down on his bullshit, because he thought there wasn't any video. (There was a Washington Post reporter, who 'fingered' him immediately and at the time- of course.)

So, instead of a quick apology, a hand shake and carry on, it is about liars constantly lying and refusing to take responsibility for their actions.

How '5 year old' clear thinking, was that?

[Fager Fan]

I know from refereeing high school basketball we are told in no uncertain terms that you don't lay hands on anybody, players or coaches. As soon as you do you are wrong, and that is simply the reality you better understand. That being said, the situation is overblown and as with everything where Trump is involved, it becomes the media's number one focus. I totally agree that Trump has professional bodyguards in the form of the Secret Service, and you let them handle any situation that requires physical intervention. Lewandowski showed poor judgement, even if it was because he was caught up in the moment. I'll use one more example from basketball. If you blow a call, and you know you blew a call, and the coach calls you on it, the best way to handle it is to tell the coach you kicked it. You can't do that more than once in a game, but the first time it is pretty disarming. If Lewandowski had simply said, I was caught up in the crush of the crowd, I had no intent to hurt anyone, I was just trying to keep the candidate safe, and I apologize to Ms. Whateverhername. It was totally unintended. Then we would be talking about Kasich, Trump and Cruz saying they wouldn't support the other if they were the Republican nominee.

I don't see how talking of basketball is a good comparison. When's the last time a player was charged with battery or assault for actions during a game? If there's ever been a time, I'm sure it was for a whole lot more than grabbing someone's elbow.

Grab someone's elbow because they were about to fall or be hit by a car, and it's not battery though the same thing was done physically to the person.

I'd be embarrassed to make myself look as weak as this woman looks, but then I'm not trying to peddle a book and get my name out there either. Anything for a buck.

[PaceAdvantage]

1000%! :ThmbUp:

The issue with Drumpf is that he needs to be hooked up to a Lie Detector apparatus 24-7-365! He simply cannot tell the truth- ever! (Creepily, reminds me of the late Rob Ford, where the standard response to when he was lying was- "check to see if his lips are moving"!)

Cooper asked him about when he last apologized for anything. His reply?
"To my mother, for some foul language."

When was that? The mid 70s? :rolleyes:

He simply refuses to tell the truth and doubles down on the lie eveytime, by interrupting & obstructing the questioner with the ubiquitous... "Excuse me, that's not true."

When, of course, it is.

And, Lewandowski obviously taking the same addled cue, decided to double down on his bullshit, because he thought there wasn't any video. (There was a Washington Post reporter, who 'fingered' him immediately and at the time- of course.)

So, instead of a quick apology, a hand shake and carry on, it is about liars constantly lying and refusing to take responsibility for their actions.

How '5 year old' clear thinking, was that?What the hell is "Drumpf" even supposed to mean?

Talk about a 5-year-old response. As you can see, I'm not the fan of Trump as I once was, but it's getting real old watching you take glee in acting like the 5-year-old you condemn Trump for being.

[davew]

In Florida all that is needed to be charged for battery is unwanted physical contact. So it looks like Trump can also file a complaint and charge her for the same offense.

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/florida-law/florida-assault-and-battery-laws.html

[HalvOnHorseracing]

I don't see how talking of basketball is a good comparison. When's the last time a player was charged with battery or assault for actions during a game? If there's ever been a time, I'm sure it was for a whole lot more than grabbing someone's elbow.

Grab someone's elbow because they were about to fall or be hit by a car, and it's not battery though the same thing was done physically to the person.

I'd be embarrassed to make myself look as weak as this woman looks, but then I'm not trying to peddle a book and get my name out there either. Anything for a buck.
Well, it's exactly the same because you can get charged with battery for putting hands on a player or coach as a referee, which I said. It has nothing to do with players on the court being physical with each other.

And grabbing someone because they are about to get hit by a car is not battery, but that has as much to do with this situation or anything I said as saying I have to go grocery shopping later.

[Rookies]

What the hell is "Drumpf" even supposed to mean?

Talk about a 5-year-old response. As you can see, I'm not the fan of Trump as I once was, but it's getting real old watching you take glee in acting like the 5-year-old you condemn Trump for being.

Perhaps. I'll let the 5 year old running for President carry the nuke on this one.
Movin' on.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

What the hell is "Drumpf" even supposed to mean?

Talk about a 5-year-old response. As you can see, I'm not the fan of Trump as I once was, but it's getting real old watching you take glee in acting like the 5-year-old you condemn Trump for being.
I'm not taking a side. Drumpf was the family name until his grandfather changed it to Trump. Some of the anti-Trump people use it because it has an onomatopoeia feel to it.

[Rookies]

I'm not taking a side. Drumpf was the family name until his grandfather changed it to Trump. Some of the anti-Trump people use it because it has an onomatopoeia feel to it.

PA was being rhetorical.. Someone else here didn't :rolleyes: , but he knows.

[dartman51]

The Secret Service has the job of protecting the candidate. These guys are healthy, young, strong highly trained bipartisan & in general the best in their
field. If any physical action needs to be taken, it's best to leave it to them. Under most circumstances the candidates staff should not touch anyone. If your on Flip Flop Trumps staff, you for sure shouldn't touch a woman.
A lot of paparazzi have won money in court when celebrities have touched or had similar contact with them. I see this "assault" as being similar. It's not fair, but it's the law.

Correct. In Florida, you only have to TOUCH someone, that didn't want to be touched, to be charged with 'simple battery.' :faint: If Trump can prove that she touched him first, then she instigated the whole thing, and it will get tossed. This is a case of the media, so desperate to derail Trump's campaign, that they will stoop to any level. :eek:

[Rookies]

Correct. In Florida, you only have to TOUCH someone, that didn't want to be touched, to be charged with 'simple battery.' :faint: If Trump can prove that she touched him first, then she instigated the whole thing, and it will get tossed. This is a case of the media, so desperate to derail Trump's campaign, that they will stoop to any level. :eek:

Never gets to court, but never should have gotten this far.

Will be plead to some little day training thingee, but not until after the election.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm not taking a side. Drumpf was the family name until his grandfather changed it to Trump. Some of the anti-Trump people use it because it has an onomatopoeia feel to it.Ahhh...thanks for clearing that up. I never knew this.

He shouldn't have gone out of his way to say Cruz's first name is Rafael (his middle name is Edward), lest someone remind him his family name used to be Drumpf...LOL

What's up with politicians running from their real names? John Ellis = JEB Bush...Rafael Edward = TED Cruz...whatevs.

[PaceAdvantage]

PA was being rhetorical.. Someone else here didn't :rolleyes: , but he knows.Ummm...wrong...I had no idea.

[Fager Fan]

What the hell is "Drumpf" even supposed to mean?

Talk about a 5-year-old response. As you can see, I'm not the fan of Trump as I once was, but it's getting real old watching you take glee in acting like the 5-year-old you condemn Trump for being.

Ten thumbs up.

[betovernetcapper]

Tell me about this. Why is it that we are told women are polling against him? Is it his succession of beautiful wives, and they harbor jealousy? Because he can talk like a regular person sometimes, and they are too sensitive to bear it? Has he made any proposals that are gender-based to a significantly negative degree?

Many women have sons and daughters in the military, are they supposed to be offended by the mere presence of Donald Trump? Many women made a simple piece of suburban porn trash like 50 Shades of Gray into a best-seller, are they supposed to be offended by his celebrity lifestyle? Many women are business owners and operators in their own right, but is there something about Trump's successes that should make them automatically support Clinton anyway?

I'm not getting the gender thing. Explain.

This is not something I'm making up or creating. He polls poorly with women. Not my fault. Just the way it is.
Water is wet.........Rocks are hard.............Flip Flop Trump polls poorly with women :)

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Ahhh...thanks for clearing that up. I never knew this.

He shouldn't have gone out of his way to say Cruz's first name is Rafael (his middle name is Edward), lest someone remind him his family name used to be Drumpf...LOL

What's up with politicians running from their real names? John Ellis = JEB Bush...Rafael Edward = TED Cruz...whatevs.
Obama called himself Barry in college

[PaceAdvantage]

Yeah, that one I knew... :lol:

Not to mention Soetoro

[reckless]

Ahhh...thanks for clearing that up. I never knew this.

He shouldn't have gone out of his way to say Cruz's first name is Rafael (his middle name is Edward), lest someone remind him his family name used to be Drumpf...LOL

What's up with politicians running from their real names? John Ellis = JEB Bush...Rafael Edward = TED Cruz...whatever.

Can't figure it out either, but as usual, it is even worse when it comes to left wing Democrat charletans, such as:

Foreign born muslim US President Barack Hussein Obama was born Barry Soetoro.

Impeached and disgraced US president, a serial sex offender, Bill Clinton, was born William Jefferson Blythe.

Current NYC mayor Bill Di Blasio, married to a lesbian, was born Warren Wilhelm.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Foreign born muslim US President Barack Hussein Obama was born Barry Soetoro.
Oh no, not that again. Even if Obama was foreign born (which he wasn't) or even a Muslim (which he isn't) he would have been at least as American as Ted Cruz.

[reckless]

Oh no, not that again. Even if Obama was foreign born (which he wasn't) or even a Muslim (which he isn't) he would have been at least as American as Ted Cruz.

Rich, every chance I get... I tweak my good liberal friends here on PA. And what I usually say about both Obama and Clinton always works for me. :)

Glad you read my posts too.

So, what do you think about the name changing our Democrat 'leaders' excel at??

[Flysofree]

You gotta hand it to the guy... I mean his father made him a little loan of a Million dollars and he had to repay it.. I mean give the guy a break. He's sold a lot of real estate.... How many kids could have done that with only a million to start with...

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Rich, every chance I get... I tweak my good liberal friends here on PA. And what I usually say about both Obama and Clinton always works for me. :)

Glad you read my posts too.

So, what do you think about the name changing our Democrat 'leaders' excel at??
I'm sure a lot of people would love the opportunity to re-name themselves! I don't really know why the people that do it, do it. But I'm fine blaming their parents.

[betovernetcapper]

In 1999 he was arrested for bringing a gun into the Congressional office building. In 1999 it was illegal to even have a gun in Washington DC.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35921337

I carry everywhere I'm allowed to & can't fathom carrying into a Post Office let only the Congressional Office building.

[rastajenk]

Tell me about this...I'm not getting the gender thing. Explain.
This is not something I'm making up or creating. He polls poorly with women. Not my fault. Just the way it is.
Water is wet.........Rocks are hard.............Flip Flop Trump polls poorly with women :)
You can't get off that easily. :p You said you made a tweet comparing women and blacks voting choices. How come?

[Rookies]

Ummm...wrong...I had no idea.

Whaaaat?

That came out weeks ago, in conjunction with the NYT article on the KKK rally where his father was charged. Thought you were a big Trump supporter... Uhhh... Ex- supporter.

[betovernetcapper]

You can't get off that easily. :p You said you made a tweet comparing women and blacks voting choices. How come?

I said on this forum that Trump polls poorly with women. That is the current state of affairs. I'm sorry if you don't like it but that is just the case.

My Tweet was to a woman supporting Trump & I said "A woman supporting Trump is like a Black supporting David Duke". I'll stand by that as he doesn't seem to have much regard or respect for women, given his statements in the campaign.

[Fager Fan]

I said on this forum that Trump polls poorly with women. That is the current state of affairs. I'm sorry if you don't like it but that is just the case.

My Tweet was to a woman supporting Trump & I said "A woman supporting Trump is like a Black supporting David Duke". I'll stand by that as he doesn't seem to have much regard or respect for women, given his statements in the campaign.

The first paragraph/statement has nothing to do with the second paragraph/statement. Polling of support by women doesn't prove that "a woman supporting Trump is like a black supporting David Duke."

Trump has plenty of women executives which proves how very wrong you are.

[betovernetcapper]

The first paragraph/statement has nothing to do with the second paragraph/statement. Polling of support by women doesn't prove that "a woman supporting Trump is like a black supporting David Duke."

Trump has plenty of women executives which proves how very wrong you are.

My Tweet was to a woman supporting Trump & I said "A woman supporting Trump is like a Black supporting David Duke". I'll stand by that as he doesn't seem to have much regard or respect for women, given his statements in the campaign.

He may be nice to his mother & hire all kinds of women, but if you'll take the time to read my statement,[B] I said given his statements in the campaign.

[Fager Fan]

My Tweet was to a woman supporting Trump & I said "A woman supporting Trump is like a Black supporting David Duke". I'll stand by that as he doesn't seem to have much regard or respect for women, given his statements in the campaign.

He may be nice to his mother & hire all kinds of women, but if you'll take the time to read my statement,[B] I said given his statements in the campaign.

Actions speak louder than words.

I find your tweet very offensive. First, you attempt to speak for women, and label women who would vote for Trump as doing something reprehensible. Second, you are comparing the mentality of a KKK member towards blacks with Trump's toward women, and they're very far apart. You should be careful in making those kinds of statements. Finally, he's made no anti-women statements in this campaign that I heard, much less statements that resemble the hatred a KKK member has towards blacks. It's certainly not calling Carly ugly. What else have you got?

[betovernetcapper]

The latest CNN Polls on women vs Trump favorable 26% ----unfavorable 74%

Kind of speaks for itself doesn't it?

[Fager Fan]

Bet, I'll just assume you have comprehension problems and let it go. I don't like to pick on the mentally disabled.

[betovernetcapper]

I realize I didn't give you any quotes

“Robert Pattinson should not take back Kristen Stewart. She cheated on him like a dog & will do it again – just watch. He can do much better!”

“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”

If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”

“All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me – consciously or unconsciously. That’s to be expected.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her."

"I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are more beautiful.”


"Thanks sweetie. That’s nice” said to a female 9/11 survivor

re Carly Fiorina

Look at that face. Would anybody vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?! I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?

Re Megyn Kelly

You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her — wherever.

and to put the icing on the cake

http://time.com/4258101/anti-trump-ad-women-quotes/

or this

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/our-principles-pac-ad-trump-women

[MutuelClerk]

Trumps comment on women and abortions. Was an abortion.

[betovernetcapper]

Well said :)

[PaceAdvantage]

Whaaaat?

That came out weeks ago, in conjunction with the NYT article on the KKK rally where his father was charged. Thought you were a big Trump supporter... Uhhh... Ex- supporter.God's honest truth. I just thought it was something stupid you or one of the KKKool Aid drinkers had made up.

My best guess was the D stood for Dumb and the F stood for ****er...lol

[davew]

Trumps comment on women and abortions. Was an abortion.


Chris Mathews has been ragging hard on Trump for over a month now. Chris was badgering him with 'hypotheticals' about stuff that is not a law now, and if it became a law what should the punishment be.... is that something the president decides?

[Rookies]

God's honest truth. I just thought it was something stupid you or one of the KKKool Aid drinkers had made up.

My best guess was the D stood for Dumb and the F stood for ****er...lol

Come on... I deserve better than that! :D

It's such an odd word, that I would never have made that one up! 🙄
I do like the ' Trumpettes' I came up with. (I confess, I stole it from the Dan Patrick show).

P.S. Trump is imploding badly. :eek: When hard core conservatives like Sykes & Hewitt are joining me in calling him out for being a "vulgar buffoon", that's serious trouble for the Democrats & Hillary. She is absolutely crushing him, even in some Red States now and certainly the Barnies (NC & Virginia).

If he continues to bluster away like an addled, 5 year old, bereft of any knowledge of any substantive issues, he is dead in the H2O. There is no doubt, that the Republican Party is desperately seeking mechanisms to finish him off and select a candidate more favourable to the American population.

Hillary cruises... unless she gets indicted. :lol:

[Rookies]

Chris Mathews has been ragging hard on Trump for over a month now. Chris was badgering him with 'hypotheticals' about stuff that is not a law now, and if it became a law what should the punishment be.... is that something the president decides?

The critical part on that response was, as outlined by many conservatives, (including Cruz), was that he appeared to be BOTH:
A) a recent convert to the Pro Life position and totally ignorant of THEIR take and that of Conservatives and/or Republicans;
2) simply addled, confused and unprepared for that obvious question.

Trump simply believes he should bluster his way through these land mines, never thinking that a thoughtful, hedged response is by far, the better option. Always- never retreat, never apologize, never deflect.

Trump could have thought about what his response should be IN ADVANCE and prepare his response. Clearly, he did not. When Pastor Rick Warren, Saddleback Church asked Obama about it, during the 2008 Presidential election, he was well prepared- as he should have been in that setting:

"WARREN: Now, let's deal with abortion; 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. As a pastor, I have to deal with this all of the time, all of the pain and all of the conflicts. I know this is a very complex issue. Forty million abortions, at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?

OBAMA: Well, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade. ...

But let me just speak more generally about the issue of abortion, because this is something obviously the country wrestles with. One thing that I'm absolutely convinced of is that there is a moral and ethical element to this issue. And so I think anybody who tries to deny the moral difficulties and gravity of the abortion issue, I think, is not paying attention. So that would be point number one.

But point number two, I am pro-choice. I believe in Roe v. Wade, and I come to that conclusion not because I'm pro-abortion, but because, ultimately, I don't think women make these decisions casually. I think they -- they wrestle with these things in profound ways, in consultation with their pastors or their spouses or their doctors or their family members. And so, for me, the goal right now should be -- and this is where I think we can find common ground. And by the way, I've now inserted this into the Democratic party platform, is how do we reduce the number of abortions? The fact is that although we have had a president who is opposed to abortion over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down and that is something we have to address. "

[_______]

I realize I didn't give you any quotes

“Robert Pattinson should not take back Kristen Stewart. She cheated on him like a dog & will do it again – just watch. He can do much better!”

“Ariana Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.”

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of ass.”

If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’”

“All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me – consciously or unconsciously. That’s to be expected.”

“I’ve said if Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her."

"I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are more beautiful.”


"Thanks sweetie. That’s nice” said to a female 9/11 survivor

re Carly Fiorina

Look at that face. Would anybody vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?! I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?

Re Megyn Kelly

You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her — wherever.

and to put the icing on the cake

http://time.com/4258101/anti-trump-ad-women-quotes/

or this

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/our-principles-pac-ad-trump-women

His standing with women is one reason I find the argument that because he beat expectations in the primary, he'll also do so in the general as not very well thought out.

In a 17 person field, you can double down on a plurality and win without caring very much what the rest of the electorate thinks of you. That doesn't work in a general election.

A Machiavellian could argue that demonizing Hispanics, Muslims, and gays is a winning, if incredibly cynical, strategy for the GOP primaries. But misogyny hits 51% of the population. The fact that Trump doesn't seem to realize this suggests either a) he's just winging it as he goes along instead of being some brilliant tactician or b) he's a sexist down to his bones and can't help himself or c) both.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

I'd just add that the Trump supporters have to take some responsibility for what's happening with him. First, when you hear comments like, I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and I'd still be just as popular, his supporters needed to say, no you wouldn't. I'd see people here say that they didn't care what Trump said because he would be transformational, but it turns out a lot of people who would need to support him for Trump to win are getting turned off. Trump supporters needed to demand he go through the dreary process of learning about foreign policy and developing position that he could repeat on the campaign trail. If he wanted to appear smarter than the next guy, he needed to do what smart people do - study.

Today he said his comments about punishing women were taken out of context. You have to shake your head. Regardless of who was doing the questioning, he got Trump to say women should be punished for having an abortion. The entire interview was played - uncut, uncensored. Even the Trump supporters are starting to feel like he needs to stand up and take responsibility for his own mistakes, and if you are one of the people who continually forgives him for showing up unprepared and making what are essentially dumb comments, then you have to accept some responsibility for the fact he never felt the need to step up his game.

I don't know this is some great psychological truth, but I sometimes think that if you never faced real adversity in your life - like being poor growing up, for example - you never realize how hard you have to work to achieve success. Trump too often acts like a guy who deserves it just because he is THE Donald Trump. I can only hope this experience gives him a sense that you can't just BS your way into a job like POTUS. It would be a tough lesson but if he learns it he may be a better man for it.

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't know this is some great psychological truth, but I sometimes think that if you never faced real adversity in your life - like being poor growing up, for example - you never realize how hard you have to work to achieve success. Trump too often acts like a guy who deserves it just because he is THE Donald Trump. I can only hope this experience gives him a sense that you can't just BS your way into a job like POTUS. It would be a tough lesson but if he learns it he may be a better man for it.This pretty much sums it up for me at this point.

He does indeed act like he DESERVES the Presidency just because of who he is. That's not going to cut it.

[Tom]

I can only hope this experience gives him a sense that you can't just BS your way into a job like POTUS.

You must have missed 2008 and 2012!~:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Trump may not be the one, but he is the only one.

[Tom]

The critical part on that response was, as outlined by many conservatives, (including Cruz),

There was no critical part to that stupid, non-relevant question by a newsman pretender.

Abortion is not an issue.
But little anti-american little twerps like Stephanopolus and Mathews are just wasting everyone's time playing gotcha, schoolyard behavior, which for the two of them, is all they can be.


This whole thing if only fodder for the weaker minds among us.

[reckless]

In the scheme of things, the problems of the world and in the USA are far greater than how Donald Trump spoke to and about someone as insignificant as Rosie O'Donnell and as irrelevant at Carly Fiorina and Megyn Kelly.

If Trump wants to win the homogeneous (ha-ha-ha) women's vote, promise them he'll build a wall, arrest and deport all illegal immigrants especially those caught in crimes against society. Promise to make the neighborhoods and country safe for their children to play and to go to school. He'll get the women's vote, I promise you.

If Trump wants to win the homogeneous (ha-ha-ha) hispanic vote, promise to create jobs, offer educational and employment opportunities to them and their children. Promise to make the borders safe and secure from illegal, criminal invaders, and he'll get the hispanic vote. Same with the homogeneous (ha-ha-ha) Black voter.

If Trump wants to win the homogeneous (ha-ha-ha) middle class, Democrat working family's vote promise to correct horrible trade deals, promise a return to well-paying manufacturing jobs back to the USA, secure our borders, protect our national sovereignty and build a strong National defense.

With all due respect to my friends here on PA, if anyone thinks for one second that the feelings of Rosie or the opinions of Carly and Megyn matter, you're not paying attention, plain and simple. They don't; they are insignificant side shows.

[Rookies]

There was no critical part to that stupid, non-relevant question by a newsman pretender.

Abortion is not an issue.
But little anti-american little twerps like Stephanopolus and Mathews are just wasting everyone's time playing gotcha, schoolyard behavior, which for the two of them, is all they can be.


This whole thing if only fodder for the weaker minds among us.

Uhhhh... Tommy. It wasn't Mathews who opened that subject up. It was an audience member. Mathews followed it up, after Trump asked whether his answer was acceptable.

And then he made the choice to hang himself by bringing up potential changes in the SCOTUS and the Roe v. Wade law.

After discussion of multiple issues, the Transcript said this:

"QUESTION: Hello. I am (inaudible) and have a question on, what is your stance on women's rights and their rights to choose in their own reproductive health?


TRUMP: OK, well look, I mean, as you know, I'm pro-life. Right, I think you know that, and I -- with exceptions, with the three exceptions. But pretty much, that's my stance. Is that OK? You understand?


MATTHEWS: What should the law be on abortion?

TRUMP: Well, I have been pro-life.

MATTHEWS: I know, what should the law -- I know your principle, that's a good value. But what should be the law?

TRUMP: Well, you know, they've set the law and frankly the judges -- I mean, you're going to have a very big election coming up for that reason, because you have judges where it's a real tipping point.

MATTHEWS: I know.

TRUMP: And with the loss the Scalia, who was a very strong conservative...

MATTHEWS: I understand.

TRUMP: ... this presidential election is going to be very important, because when you say, "what's the law, nobody knows what's the law going to be. It depends on who gets elected, because somebody is going to appoint conservative judges and somebody is going to appoint liberal judges, depending on who wins.

And on down the Road to Perdition. The only "weak minded" person was Trump, who neither prepared for or able to state a position, that wasn't addled, foolish and laughable.

[Fager Fan]

The critical part on that response was, as outlined by many conservatives, (including Cruz), was that he appeared to be BOTH:
A) a recent convert to the Pro Life position and totally ignorant of THEIR take and that of Conservatives and/or Republicans;
2) simply addled, confused and unprepared for that obvious question.

Trump simply believes he should bluster his way through these land mines, never thinking that a thoughtful, hedged response is by far, the better option. Always- never retreat, never apologize, never deflect.

Trump could have thought about what his response should be IN ADVANCE and prepare his response. Clearly, he did not. When Pastor Rick Warren, Saddleback Church asked Obama about it, during the 2008 Presidential election, he was well prepared- as he should have been in that setting:

"WARREN: Now, let's deal with abortion; 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. As a pastor, I have to deal with this all of the time, all of the pain and all of the conflicts. I know this is a very complex issue. Forty million abortions, at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?

OBAMA: Well, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade. ...

But let me just speak more generally about the issue of abortion, because this is something obviously the country wrestles with. One thing that I'm absolutely convinced of is that there is a moral and ethical element to this issue. And so I think anybody who tries to deny the moral difficulties and gravity of the abortion issue, I think, is not paying attention. So that would be point number one.

But point number two, I am pro-choice. I believe in Roe v. Wade, and I come to that conclusion not because I'm pro-abortion, but because, ultimately, I don't think women make these decisions casually. I think they -- they wrestle with these things in profound ways, in consultation with their pastors or their spouses or their doctors or their family members. And so, for me, the goal right now should be -- and this is where I think we can find common ground. And by the way, I've now inserted this into the Democratic party platform, is how do we reduce the number of abortions? The fact is that although we have had a president who is opposed to abortion over the last eight years, abortions have not gone down and that is something we have to address. "

You all are as big of idiots as you claim Trump to be for piling on to him for the abortion hypothetical.

Trump's only mistake was not phrasing it differently, not the substance. And I wonder how many of us would always phrase things perfectly?

He ahould' with responded, "Are you asking me if someone does something illegal if they should be punished? Don't all illegal actions have punishments attached to them? Are you asking if women should have immunity to commit an illegal act, Chris? i can't win answering your question. I believe in the rule of law and no one being above it, but if I say women shouldn't be above it in cases of abortion, then you'll say I'm anti-women.

So I'm not answering your question, Chris. Abortions are legal and I don't see that changing while I'd be in office. When or if abortions ever become illegal, then the country can have the discussion of whether they believe in the rule of law or if they think women who commit this illegal act are above the law."

[Rookies]

You all are as big of idiots as you claim Trump to be for piling on to him for the abortion hypothetical.

Trump's only mistake was not phrasing it differently, not the substance. And I wonder how many of us would always phrase things perfectly?

He ahould' with responded, "Are you asking me if someone does something illegal if they should be punished? Don't all illegal actions have punishments attached to them? Are you asking if women should have immunity to commit an illegal act, Chris? i can't win answering your question. I believe in the rule of law and no one being above it, but if I say women shouldn't be above it in cases of abortion, then you'll say I'm anti-women.

So I'm not answering your question, Chris. Abortions are legal and I don't see that changing while I'd be in office. When or if abortions ever become illegal, then the country can have the discussion of whether they believe in the rule of law or if they think women who commit this illegal act are above the law."

Coulda, shoulda, woulda!

But the fact was, that your buffoon hero was simply too addled to construct a non nuclear response!

And, if he decided to add YOUR last line, (which has never been the position of the Pro Life Movement), he would have been in the same outhouse shit hole, he already fell into!

In fact, you had no clue of their position. Might want to review history, before you spout off, calling people who know both the history and law related to this a subject- "idiots".

[woodtoo]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda!

But the fact was, that your buffoon hero was simply too addled to construct a non nuclear response!

And, if he decided to add YOUR last line, (which has never been the position of the Pro Life Movement), he would have been in the same outhouse shit hole, he already fell into!

In fact, you had no clue of their position. Might want to review history, before you spout off, calling people who know both the history and law related to this a subject- "idiots".
Its a mute point now anyways, It didn't bring Trump crashing down as you had hoped. Its Friday and the news cycle has moved past this nonissue nonsense.
Better luck next week. :ThmbUp:

[Tom]

Uhhhh... Tommy. It wasn't Mathews who opened that subject up. It was an audience member. Mathews followed it up,

Yes, I heard his pathetic follow up.:rolleyes:
Question - what, other than a total idiot, would be sitting a PMSNBC audience to begin with? You do know question process is predetermined with questions fed to the audience sheeple, right?

Trump should have just refused to waste his time on a stupid question to begin with. But he did answer it, and he did answer it correctly. Of course in the situation where abortion is illegal, the woman should be charged with some form of murder or manslaughter.

[Rookies]

It didn't bring Trump crashing down as you had hoped. Its Friday and the news cycle has moved past this nonissue nonsense.
Better luck next week. :ThmbUp:

Good luck with that thought.

Even before the next round of polls come out, post this meltdown, Clinton is already crushing Trump- even in the Purple States. Shite, Trump now has a 51% Unfavourable Rating among White men.

So, remind me, which groups he is leading with?

RCP is your friend. Although, I can understand your reluctance to check out reality.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

You must have missed 2008 and 2012!~:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Trump may not be the one, but he is the only one.
Well then I suppose if you want to slice the BS thinly, there is a big difference between the BS with substance that defined 2008 and 2012 and BS that has Put the Donald behind the 8-ball.

Hillary has 52% negatives which in most election years would be a multiple Republican orgasm. The only thing saving her is the prospect of going up against one of two guys that have higher negatives. The Trump yacht is taking on water and it might just be time to find a new ship.

[woodtoo]

Good luck with that thought.

Even before the next round of polls come out, post this meltdown, Clinton is already crushing Trump- even in the Purple States. Shite, Trump now has a 51% Unfavourable Rating among White men.

So, remind me, which groups he is leading with?

RCP is your friend. Although, I can understand your reluctance to check out reality.
The big one, actual votes.
RCP never left a message.

[Rookies]

Yes, I heard his pathetic follow up.:rolleyes:
Question - what, other than a total idiot ,would be sitting a PMSNBC audience to begin with? .

Apparently, YOURS :rolleyes:

The same one, who sat down with Charlie Sykes, charter member of the 'Anyone But Trump' campaign. Forget about gassing Lewandowski for a few weeks, what kind of a total buffoon walks into THAT interview without ANY knowledge of his own or is never tipped off, by his crack Campaign event planners? :rolleyes:

Who runs that campaign? The High School debate team? :lol:

[Fager Fan]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda!

But the fact was, that your buffoon hero was simply too addled to construct a non nuclear response!

And, if he decided to add YOUR last line, (which has never been the position of the Pro Life Movement), he would have been in the same outhouse shit hole, he already fell into!

In fact, you had no clue of their position. Might want to review history, before you spout off, calling people who know both the history and law related to this a subject- "idiots".

Believe me, your a bigger buffoon in my eyes than Trump. Given what you say here I have no doubt you'd do terribly at having to think on your feet. You have all the time in the world to come up with your posts yet you sound like an obnoxious 6yo who gets his butt whipped weekly by all the boys he annoys.

I don't give a crap what other pro-lifers think. Who says either Trump or I or anyone else has to tow that party line? If a woman has an ILLEGAL abortion, then she's committed a crime. There is no way around that fact, and as such, women who commit a crime will indeed see some punishment. It doesn't matter if some self-proclaimed head of the pro-life movement says she doesn't want to see them punished. It isn't up to her. It's a matter of law that those who break the law receive punishment.

[barn32]

Abortion is not an issue.

But little anti-american little twerps like Stephanopolus and Mathews are just wasting everyone's time playing gotcha, schoolyard behavior, which for the two of them, is all they can be.All the more reason someone in Trump's position should be prepared for that eventuality.

[betovernetcapper]

This seems to be going nowhere. Abortion is the law of the land. Prior to Roe vs Wade women were viewed as victims here & in the UK. The only case of a woman being prosecuted in America occurred in 1599 and that was a self induced abortion. Here are “only two cases in which a woman was even charged in any State with participating in her own abortion: from Pennsylvania in 19111 and from Texas in 1922.
In the 1911 case in Pennsylvania, the trial court threw out the charge and the Pennsylvania Superior Court concurred, stating that “in the absence of clear statutory authority, ‘the woman who commits an abortion on herself is regarded rather as the victim than the perpetrator of the crime.
Punishing a woman for having an abortion flies in the face of hundreds of years of American law. In the entire history of the USA, the number of women punished for abortion is ZERO.
Clearly the notion of punishing a woman for an abortion was unthinkable for our ancestors & judging by most expressing an opinion on this matter including Flip Flop Trump have stated that a woman should not be punished even if abortion is at some point declared illegal.
The issue is somewhat academic as in order for Roe VS Wade to be overturned, you would need at least 5 Pro life Supreme Court Justices to be in office and a case brought to it they could use to overturn it. This could take years.
Even if this were to occur there would be a call for a Constitutional Amendment to make abortion legal. There is not a doubt in my mind that such an amendment would have a very good chance of passing.
So rest assured American women will have the freedom to rid their bodies of an undesired growth is the foreseeable future. :)

[_______]

This seems to be going nowhere. Abortion is the law of the land. Prior to Roe vs Wade women were viewed as victims here & in the UK. The only case of a woman being prosecuted in America occurred in 1599 and that was a self induced abortion. Here are “only two cases in which a woman was even charged in any State with participating in her own abortion: from Pennsylvania in 19111 and from Texas in 1922.
In the 1911 case in Pennsylvania, the trial court threw out the charge and the Pennsylvania Superior Court concurred, stating that “in the absence of clear statutory authority, ‘the woman who commits an abortion on herself is regarded rather as the victim than the perpetrator of the crime.
Punishing a woman for having an abortion flies in the face of hundreds of years of American law. In the entire history of the USA, the number of women punished for abortion is ZERO.
Clearly the notion of punishing a woman for an abortion was unthinkable for our ancestors & judging by most expressing an opinion on this matter including Flip Flop Trump have stated that a woman should not be punished even if abortion is at some point declared illegal.
The issue is somewhat academic as in order for Roe VS Wade to be overturned, you would need at least 5 Pro life Supreme Court Justices to be in office and a case brought to it they could use to overturn it. This could take years.
Even if this were to occur there would be a call for a Constitutional Amendment to make abortion legal. There is not a doubt in my mind that such an amendment would have a very good chance of passing.
So rest assured American women will have the freedom to rid their bodies of an undesired growth is the foreseeable future. :)

This was a pretty good post overall. But the suggestion that there is a "very good chance" that 2/3 of the House and Senate along with 3/4 of the state legislatures voting in favor of a constitutional amendment allowing abortion seems overly optimistic. To say the least.

Much of the Trump triumphalism paraded here daily seems to be based on combinations of denial and innumeracy. Don't join in their errors just to emphasize a point.

[betovernetcapper]

I can honestly say that I don't know of any women that aren't in favor of abortion. Most of the men I know are in favor of it or are ambivalent. I've paid for three of them over the years, so maybe I'm biased. Maybe if I lived in Utah I'd have a different view on this, but from where I sit, it seems inevitable.

Should I be wrong on this, we could face Viet Nam levels of National protest & division that would go on for years. Many woman are very passionate about this matter. This would do the country no good.

[_______]

I can honestly say that I don't know of any women that aren't in favor of abortion. Most of the men I know are in favor of it or are ambivalent. I've paid for three of them over the years, so maybe I'm biased. Maybe if I lived in Utah I'd have a different view on this, but from where I sit, it seems inevitable.

Should I be wrong on this, we could face Viet Nam levels of National protest & division that would go on for years. Many woman are very passionate about this matter. This would do the country no good.

It's an issue that inspires passionate feelings on both sides. That shouldn't prevent either from counting accurately.

Projecting your own passion about an issue onto actual numbers doesn't change them. Only your own perception of them.

My comment was only about the possibility of a constitutional amendment. In actuality, it's zero. The ERA couldn't get passed in a less partisan era. A hot button issue like abortion rights wouldn't draw a majority in either the House or Senate much less 2/3. That probably wouldn't change even with Democratic majorities in both as many Democrats have nuanced stands on the issue.

[MONEY]

So rest assured American women will have the freedom to rid their bodies of an undesired growth is the foreseeable future. :)
I don't care about abortion, in fact I've come across many people in my life time that I wish were aborted. But I do consider a fetus to be an unborn human.
You have described a fetus as an unwanted growth. Do you think that unborn children are the equivalent to a moles or a tumors?

[betovernetcapper]

Should it happen (unlikely) we'll just have to see how it plays out. :)

[Rookies]

And now, the Buffoon-in-Chief reverses his field again! :lol:

"That position lasted barely 48 hours. In an interview with CBS’ John Dickerson set to air on Sunday, Trump said that he supported existing abortion laws and they should not be changed."

You can't make this shite up. He clearly doesn't have a single clue about what he believes on this issue and where he should be. There will be 50 Shades of Trump, before he finally silences all those voices cruising around that empty melon!

[betovernetcapper]

I don't care about abortion, in fact I've come across many people in my life time that I wish were aborted. But I do consider a fetus to be an unborn human.
You have described a fetus as an unwanted growth. Do you think that unborn children are the equivalent to a moles or a tumors?

At a certain point, (7-8 months ?) they become somewhat human. In the 1st few months, they are more like moles or tumors & if undesired I see no problem with vacuuming or scraping them out. It's up to the woman.

[Rookies]

I don't give a crap what other pro-lifers think. Who says either Trump or I or anyone else has to tow that party line? If a woman has an ILLEGAL abortion, then she's committed a crime. There is no way around that fact, and as such, women who commit a crime will indeed see some punishment. It doesn't matter if some self-proclaimed head of the pro-life movement says she doesn't want to see them punished. It isn't up to her. It's a matter of law that those who break the law receive punishment.

Anyone is free to march to their own drummer on any subject, even if is a profoundly obtuse and a 100% historically incorrect position vis a vis the law, the Pro Life Movement, all Conservative/Republican politicians, the Catholic Conference of Bishops and every other spokesperson on the anti side of the issue throughout American history.

But, hey go for it! :rolleyes: Trump did... for about 2 hours, before someone from his Campaign whacked him over the head to drive some sense home, before everything imploded.

[Clocker]

profoundly obtuse and a 100% historically incorrect position vis a vis the law, the Pro Life Movement, all Conservative/Republican politicians, the Catholic Conference of Bishops and every other spokesperson on the anti side of the issue throughout American history.



Laws and morality reflect the values of a society at a given time. In essence, they reflect the opinion of the majority and are subject to change over time. How can opinions about subjective matters like right and wrong be "historically incorrect"?

But thanks anyway for explaining American history to us. :rolleyes:

[Rookies]

Laws and morality reflect the values of a society at a given time. In essence, they reflect the opinion of the majority and are subject to change over time. How can opinions about subjective matters like right and wrong be "historically incorrect"?

But thanks anyway for explaining American history to us. :rolleyes:

Because, in THIS situation, regardless of the change of values over recorded history, the ground zero subject of the discussion (the woman) has NEVER been charged- as Bet outlined.

You're welcome. ;)

[Tom]

Has 46 returned to us?

[Fager Fan]

At a certain point, (7-8 months ?) they become somewhat human. In the 1st few months, they are more like moles or tumors & if undesired I see no problem with vacuuming or scraping them out. It's up to the woman.

Moles don't grow into human beings, nor do tumors.

Having an abortion is ending a human life.

At some point in the future, we'll actually start being more humane and compassionate about humans as we've started being towards animals. The reason why it's taking longer is that humans are very selfish creatures and it's less cumbersome for them to take care of unwanted animals than unwanted children.

[Tom]

Moles don't grow into human beings, nor do tumors.

They grow into democrats.

[betovernetcapper]

The Earth currently has some 7 BILLION people. We don't need significantly more. The optimum number of people for the planet is probably around 1 billion. Overpopulation is a real thing. It can have real consequences. Abortions, wars, pandemics may be God's way of saying "hey guys, stop behaving like bunny rabbits"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFzc3lGF8DY

So if the average family has 2.1 children & we all become vegans & recycle & double our food production & spare water, we can survive. Maybe.
Given our past history, I'm not optimistic about the survival of actual humans,let alone moles.

[Tom]

A lot of those 0.1 people post here regularly.

[Fager Fan]

The Earth currently has some 7 BILLION people. We don't need significantly more. The optimum number of people for the planet is probably around 1 billion. Overpopulation is a real thing. It can have real consequences. Abortions, wars, pandemics may be God's way of saying "hey guys, stop behaving like bunny rabbits"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFzc3lGF8DY

So if the average family has 2.1 children & we all become vegans & recycle & double our food production & spare water, we can survive. Maybe.
Given our past history, I'm not optimistic about the survival of actual humans,let alone moles.

You've got a strange way of looking at things to see abortion as population control or a gift from God.

[Tom]

I guess ISIS is just doing God's work.
Maybe we should finance them....oh, wait, we already financed terrorism through Iran.

Good thing we have cancer.

[Rookies]

A lot of those 0.1 people post here regularly.

Indeed.

One has 25k posts, while another has almost 75! :lol:

[betovernetcapper]

You've got a strange way of looking at things to see abortion as population control or a gift from God.


Thank you, but it is obviously used a form of birth control. Don't know about the existence of God, but should there be one it's probably a present.

[Clocker]

Don't know about the existence of God, but should there be one it's probably a present.

So God gave humans the present of the ability to create new life, and then gave humans the present of being able to happily kill that life with his blessing? Sounds like a pretty screwed-up God to me. :rolleyes:

[betovernetcapper]

I think they call it free will. :)

[Fager Fan]

I think they call it free will. :)

What a disturbing conversation. What about the unborn child's free will? And what about the sixth commandment?

Even if you're in favor of abortion, you shouldn't be so callous about it. Every one of us began in the same way as the aborted child, and the only difference between us and those who have their body parts sucked apart and disposed of in a trash can is the mere luck of having parents who chose to not abort us Have some reverence for what is at best an extremely sad situation.

[incoming]

What a disturbing conversation. What about the unborn child's free will? And what about the sixth commandment?

Even if you're in favor of abortion, you shouldn't be so callous about it. Every one of us began in the same way as the aborted child, and the only difference between us and those who have their body parts sucked apart and disposed of in a trash can is the mere luck of having parents who chose to not abort us Have some reverence for what is at best an extremely sad situation.

Hear!!! Hear!!!

The things some people choose to defend....abortion....elbow tugs. :confused:

[Tom]

Even if you're in favor of abortion, you shouldn't be so callous about it.

Yes, this jerk has crossed the line.
Bet he grew out of some kind of anal tumor.

[woodtoo]

How about Bill and Hillary comfort and take Ms. Fields under their tutelage.
:lol:
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[MutuelClerk]

What a disturbing conversation. What about the unborn child's free will? And what about the sixth commandment?

Even if you're in favor of abortion, you shouldn't be so callous about it. Every one of us began in the same way as the aborted child, and the only difference between us and those who have their body parts sucked apart and disposed of in a trash can is the mere luck of having parents who chose to not abort us Have some reverence for what is at best an extremely sad situation.

I prefer when law deals with amendments and not commandments. But I agree on being callous on the abortion issue.

[PaceAdvantage]

Thank you, but it is obviously used a form of birth control.And THAT is my biggest problem with abortion.

Not that it exists as an option.

But that an attitude about abortion has been carefully cultivated over the decades by the left-wing - pounding us that it is nothing but a simple choice a woman should have available to her NO MATTER WHAT. Even if it's to abort an inconvenient pregnancy because someone forgot to wrap it up or someone forgot to take a pill.

They want it SO INGRAINED in our psyche as something that is NO BIG DEAL, they are now GOING OUT OF THEIR way to make ABSOLUTELY sure that any CHILD anywhere in the USA can have an ABORTION without their parents EVER FINDING OUT about it.

But GOD FORBID you leave your child unattended for 5 seconds or pat them hard enough on the head to maybe kill a fly, and you END UP IN JAIL for CHILD NEGLECT.

Is it not NEGLECTFUL to a 13-year-old girl that her parents remain IN THE DARK about her getting a FREAKIN ABORTION!!?? But that's what left-wing liberals want.

It's all about making sure no stone remains unturned in their never ending quest to make abortion akin to taking a shit.

[PaceAdvantage]

BTW, I just realized the last number of replies really have nothing to do with the topic of this thread...never mind

[Rookies]

BTW, I just realized the last number of replies really have nothing to do with the topic of this thread...never mind

I wouldn't worry.

It's apparently about to return to the correct main road, as there are reports that Trump is about to put him on some short leave.

Which is what everybody else would have done in the same situation- until resolved. And it has nada to do with his ridiculous " stand by my man, because I don't want to ruin his life" :lol: nonsense!

[betovernetcapper]

That's great news. One less thug is a start. :)

[Tom]

Maybe he should abort him.
Oh wait, it is HILLARY that does that.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

BTW, I just realized the last number of replies really have nothing to do with the topic of this thread...never mind
And now we return to our regularly scheduled program.

[johnhannibalsmith]

I wouldn't worry.

It's apparently about to return to the correct main road, as there are reports that Trump is about to put him on some short leave.

Which is what everybody else would have done in the same situation- until resolved. And it has nada to do with his ridiculous " stand by my man, because I don't want to ruin his life" :lol: nonsense!

Of all the ridiculousness this campaign season has offered, this 'battery' :lol: by this goofball has to take the cake. Give me a break. The fact that we waste time and money investigating and ultimately prosecuting someone grabbing someone else's arm with malice is pretty much more ludicrous and newsworthy than any other aspect of this 'scandal'. Talk about way too much ado about a millimeter beyond nothing.

[Rookies]

Of all the ridiculousness this campaign season has offered, this 'battery' :lol: by this goofball has to take the cake. Give me a break. The fact that we waste time and money investigating and ultimately prosecuting someone grabbing someone else's arm with malice is pretty much more ludicrous and newsworthy than any other aspect of this 'scandal'. Talk about way too much ado about a millimeter beyond nothing.

I don't disagree with much of that and have said that the charge should be set aside in exchange for some minor training corrective action.

But, neither he nor Trump, should have at first denied that he even touched her and then doubled down on the lie. Plus, Lewandowski simply could not bring himself to offer a simple explanation of his actions and an apology to end the matter, contemporaneously with the event or shortly, thereafter. :bang:

And Trump, because apologies are not in his DNA, to be avoided at all costs, undoubtedly instructed him to steamroll on. Then, pleading the "career destruction" card, if he was to suspend him from the campaign temporarily! :rolleyes:

Simple molehills become mountains, because of the pigheadedness of this fool.

[johnhannibalsmith]

On the other hand, mountains become molehills when coverage shifts across the aisle and covering the same class of citizen where deceit and misdirection in a pending investigation are plans a, b, and c.

[Tom]

Simple molehills become mountains, because of the pigheadedness of fools.


FTFY

[PaceAdvantage]

I don't disagree with much of that and have said that the charge should be set aside in exchange for some minor training corrective action.

But, neither he nor Trump, should have at first denied that he even touched her and then doubled down on the lie. Plus, Lewandowski simply could not bring himself to offer a simple explanation of his actions and an apology to end the matter, contemporaneously with the event or shortly, thereafter. :bang:

And Trump, because apologies are not in his DNA, to be avoided at all costs, undoubtedly instructed him to steamroll on. Then, pleading the "career destruction" card, if he was to suspend him from the campaign temporarily! :rolleyes:

Simple molehills become mountains, because of the pigheadedness of this fool.I can easily believe that Lewandowski truly believed, when first confronted with this, that he didn't touch anybody in any way that would be remembered for something that it is now remembered.

I'm sure in his mind, he couldn't recall yanking someone so hard that they fell down or almost fell down.

So yeah...the denials at first are pretty believable to me at face value.

It's not as if he cold-cocked someone when he thought nobody was looking and was trying to deny his way out of it. This is something that happened that probably anybody in that line of work wouldn't think twice about two seconds later.

I've been pushed around harder in the subway on the way to work...haven't filed a police report yet. And this despite the high probability of there being video evidence somewhere along the way.

[Rookies]

Lewan-eedgit was just asked by Chris Wallace whether he actually touched her.

He refused to answer.

Then, Wallace asked whether he would apologize to her on the air, to counteract any coming defamation suit, for saying that he never reached out to her when he claimed that he did... he punted again. Refused to do so.

A first class Trumpette fool. No wonder, he has had his campaign role diminished.

[rastajenk]

In the big picture of national decision-making, it's hard to imagine anything more inconsequential than this little dust-up.

[Rookies]

In the big picture of national decision-making, it's hard to imagine anything more inconsequential than this little dust-up.

'Tis.

But, anything of a remotely graceful, reach out, long ago- woukd have buried & dispelled it. Why keep it alive as a permanent distraction?

Because, it's not the Trump modus operandi to do anything but bluster and straight arm forward.

[Clocker]

Why keep it alive as a permanent distraction?



Said the pot to the kettle. :sleeping:

[Tom]

SHE should apologize to him.
HE did nothing wrong.
SHE, on the other hand......just another dem tool.
If I were him, I would sue HER for making a false claim.


Or bob her one in the chops off-camera! :lol: