Aqueduct the East Coast Golden Gate

[porchy44]

short fields :bang:

[Prytanis]

short fields :bang:
55 Horses in 9 races

[NorCalGreg]

55 Horses in 9 races

Wonder where all the Cali horses are--they aren't at GGF...and many days they can be scarce @ SA. Hollywood Park and Bay Meadows are gone--what the hell?

[cj]

Santa Anita not much better, and this is what we get on a Saturday. Still way too much racing for the current horse population.

[Tom]

California should do what they used to in Ohio, half the card from SA and half from GG.
They could have 10 races a day and not over-use either track.


NY? Most east coast tracks are not even open yet.
I understand Belmont only washed the saddle cloths numbers 1-5 for this season?


:rolleyes:

[comet52]

Was gonna play Aqueduct today but looked at those 4 horse yawners and looked elsewhere instead.

[Tom]

I'm looking at a race at Laurel, and it looks like a John Wayne movie - whole screen full of horses like the cavalry.

[Donttellmeshowme]

Not to worry people EVD will be up and running in about 11 days April 6th. Home of the biggest fields.

[PaceAdvantage]

This happens almost every year during this "transition" period into the spring.

Once the horse start coming in from Gulfstream and elsewhere, things get better at the big "A"

[thespaah]

I still cannot fathom as to why the fields in So cal are so short. GG is not in the same league.
NYRA is almost as bad. I bet once Belmont opens there will be more short fields. it happened last spring as well.
I took three days at random.
In all fairness I used One weekday, one Saturday and one Sunday..
So I picked Fri May 1 Thru Sunday May 3 of 2015..
Keep in mind May 2nd was Derby Day..Oh, no rain and no races off the turf....
Friday May 1st....68 (7.55 per race) horses entered. 58( 6.44) went to post
Saturday 5/12, 12 races.....109 entered (9.08) 93 went to post( 7.75) Note. On this day there were two turf races where the entry box was full ( 16 entered, 12 went)
Sunday 5/3, 9 races.....73 entered( 8.11) 67 ( 7.44) started...
The all sources handle for 5/1 was $9 million
for 5/2 it was $13.4 million...Three graded stakes on the card. The Westchester( Palice Malice scratched, Tonalist won) The Sheepshead Bay( 5 entered 5 went) and the Fort Marcy
Sunday 5/3 handle was 9.5 Million....
I then took an April weekend 2015 from AQU and the fields were definitely shorter.
This was again a Friday-Sunday deal....The main track and turf courses were in use. Again, no rain to wipe out any turf races.
Friday 4/16...8 races....49 went to post avg 6.12 per race
Sat 4/17...9 races 61 started 6.77
Sunday 4/18 9 races...55 starters 6.11

[Stillriledup]

I still cannot fathom as to why the fields in So cal are so short. GG is not in the same league.
NYRA is almost as bad. I bet once Belmont opens there will be more short fields. it happened last spring as well.
I took three days at random.
In all fairness I used One weekday, one Saturday and one Sunday..
So I picked Fri May 1 Thru Sunday May 3 of 2015..
Keep in mind May 2nd was Derby Day..Oh, no rain and no races off the turf....
Friday May 1st....68 (7.55 per race) horses entered. 58( 6.44) went to post
Saturday 5/12, 12 races.....109 entered (9.08) 93 went to post( 7.75) Note. On this day there were two turf races where the entry box was full ( 16 entered, 12 went)
Sunday 5/3, 9 races.....73 entered( 8.11) 67 ( 7.44) started...
The all sources handle for 5/1 was $9 million
for 5/2 it was $13.4 million...Three graded stakes on the card. The Westchester( Palice Malice scratched, Tonalist won) The Sheepshead Bay( 5 entered 5 went) and the Fort Marcy
Sunday 5/3 handle was 9.5 Million....
I then took an April weekend 2015 from AQU and the fields were definitely shorter.
This was again a Friday-Sunday deal....The main track and turf courses were in use. Again, no rain to wipe out any turf races.
Friday 4/16...8 races....49 went to post avg 6.12 per race
Sat 4/17...9 races 61 started 6.77
Sunday 4/18 9 races...55 starters 6.11

No slot purses in so cal, why they even have ONE horse is a mystery, why race in so cal if u can race for slot money elsewhere?

[CincyHorseplayer]

California should do what they used to in Ohio, half the card from SA and half from GG.
They could have 10 races a day and not over-use either track.


NY? Most east coast tracks are not even open yet.
I understand Belmont only washed the saddle cloths numbers 1-5 for this season?


:rolleyes:

I used to love the 7/7 programs here.

[NorCalGreg]

No slot purses in so cal, why they even have ONE horse is a mystery, why race in so cal if u can race for slot money elsewhere?

Why would they want to stick slot machines @ either Cali Facility--when they have fully-licensed Vegas-type Indian Casinos all over the state? That market is already cornered here--who wants to play the ponies when you have action like that going on?

This chart is from the 4th race last Fri @ GGF. 7 horses entered--4 scratched.

HORSEPLAYERS don't want to go here--much less any casual fan. Young people certainly don't want to go--not when there's at least 4 casinos within a couple hours drive of GGF. Note the handle for the DD.
The exacta wasn't a bad payoff--very winnable and you got 3.5X your wager --some doofus dumped a few grand on the 4-7...only way to explain that payoff.

[tanner12oz]

California should do what they used to in Ohio, half the card from SA and half from GG.
They could have 10 races a day and not over-use either track.


NY? Most east coast tracks are not even open yet.
I understand Belmont only washed the saddle cloths numbers 1-5 for this season?


:rolleyes:

ahhhh thistle/river those were the days

[pandy]

I've had a sensational Aqueduct inner track meet so I can't complain. I loved the racing, from a bettor's view point, lots of overlays and longshot winners that figured.

[EMD4ME]

8 race cards thur and fri.

Hope that doesn't last too long. Hate 8 race cards

[Track Collector]

I still cannot fathom as to why the fields in So cal are so short. GG is not in the same league.


Isn't CA one most expensive states to own and race horses in?

[andtheyreoff]

No slot purses in so cal, why they even have ONE horse is a mystery, why race in so cal if u can race for slot money elsewhere?

Have you seen the purse levels in California? They're a lot higher than slot-infused purses at other tracks.

[Stillriledup]

Have you seen the purse levels in California? They're a lot higher than slot-infused purses at other tracks.

Yesterday at Parx a 5 claimer went for 21000. Today at golden gate a 10 claimer went for 13000.

I'm confused at what you're saying.

[Donttellmeshowme]

Have you seen the purse levels in California? They're a lot higher than slot-infused purses at other tracks.




Philly has nice purses. Oaklawn has nice purses but they have video terminals i think

[Zaf]

Why would they want to stick slot machines @ either Cali Facility--when they have fully-licensed Vegas-type Indian Casinos all over the state? That market is already cornered here--who wants to play the ponies when you have action like that going on?

This chart is from the 4th race last Fri @ GGF. 7 horses entered--4 scratched.

HORSEPLAYERS don't want to go here--much less any casual fan. Young people certainly don't want to go--not when there's at least 4 casinos within a couple hours drive of GGF. Note the handle for the DD.
The exacta wasn't a bad payoff--very winnable and you got 3.5X your wager --some doofus dumped a few grand on the 4-7...only way to explain that payoff.

Trifecta in a 3 horse field ? Really ?

[Tom]

I'd box it.

[Zaf]

I'd box it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[comet52]

10 races today, 56 runners after scratches (assuming no more scratches.) 5.6 horses per race, that's just sad.

[Tom]

What is this new condition...Starter STAKES???? Nice way to not have to say nw3 lifetime? :rolleyes:

[Kash$]

What is this new condition...Starter STAKES???? Nice way to not have to say nw3 lifetime? :rolleyes:

Finger Lakes
Then Aqueduct

Product sucks at the big A

[classhandicapper]

I made one serious bet at AQU since the beginning of the year.

[cj]

Through 7 races today average winner payout is $4.31.

[Valuist]

Why would they want to stick slot machines @ either Cali Facility--when they have fully-licensed Vegas-type Indian Casinos all over the state? That market is already cornered here--who wants to play the ponies when you have action like that going on?

This chart is from the 4th race last Fri @ GGF. 7 horses entered--4 scratched.

HORSEPLAYERS don't want to go here--much less any casual fan. Young people certainly don't want to go--not when there's at least 4 casinos within a couple hours drive of GGF. Note the handle for the DD.
The exacta wasn't a bad payoff--very winnable and you got 3.5X your wager --some doofus dumped a few grand on the 4-7...only way to explain that payoff.

I have yet to go to one of those Cali Indian casinos. I hear they have completely different rules for California blackjack, at least in San Jose. Just another way to bleed more money from the public. And no, I have yet to visit Golden Gate Fields.

[cj]

Through 7 races today average winner payout is $4.31.

Of course a 45-1 wins race 8.

[Valuist]

Of course a 45-1 wins race 8.

That's symptomatic of a terrible track to bet. A parade of 6-5s and an unuseable 45-1 thrown in.

[no breathalyzer]

That's symptomatic of a terrible track to bet. A parade of 6-5s and an unuseable 45-1 thrown in.


this is the worse its been since i can remember.. they really need the grass racing to start up very soon.. at least its made me to start looking to bet other tracks not a bad thing

[Kash$]

No defending it but some will..only a matter of time.

[mannyberrios]

I've had a sensational Aqueduct inner track meet so I can't complain. I loved the racing, from a bettor's view point, lots of overlays and longshot winners that figured.
I agree, right now, I'm having a great Aqueduct

[porchy44]

I guess that makes the Ortiz brothers (Jose and Irad) the east coast version of Russell Baze.

Anyway I have drawn a line through Aqueduct and and I am substituting them with the large fields of Oaklawn park.

[Valuist]

I haven't bet the Inner Dirt meet in 15 years, and from what I hear, there's no reason to start up again.

There's already a track where the good NY barns race: its called Gulfstream Park.

[Robert Fischer]

This happens almost every year during this "transition" period into the spring.

Once the horse start coming in from Gulfstream and elsewhere, things get better at the big "A"

:) And every year players complain.

Spring is here and Summer is on it's way.

Florida Derby is behind us.

Lot of quality NY racing ahead.:ThmbUp:

[Stillriledup]

I guess that makes the Ortiz brothers (Jose and Irad) the east coast version of Russell Baze.

Anyway I have drawn a line through Aqueduct and and I am substituting them with the large fields of Oaklawn park.

What a slap in the face, what did Russell ever do to you??? :D

[Track Phantom]

There is one track worth following right now in the entire US....Oaklawn Park. Full fields, legitimate class levels (not 10k claimers favored in MSW races, etc.) and no 56% trainers winning every race.

Oaklawn product is better than anything going for the last couple of years (exluding KEE, SAR, DMR niche meets).

[pandy]

I agree about Oaklawn. Saratoga, in particular, although great racing, presents too many crap shoot races where every horse has a chance to win. The best bets are overlays in races where you can narrow down the main contenders to no more than half of the field. There's this fallacy that you can only get longshot winners in wide open races and in large fields, which isn't true. It's all about being selective. Of course, you can find good overlays at Saratoga, it's just that it requires even more patience than at tracks like Aqueduct, Oaklawn, Tampa Bay, where there are many good betting races that are not impossible to handicap.

[classhandicapper]

Through 7 races today average winner payout is $4.31.

That's only half the problem as far as I'm concerned.

Granted, I could very easily be missing some things, but some of the horses that take a ton of money and jog are horses that didn't seem likely to take that much public money. Either the pools are so shark infested there's very little value to be found or there are people with information on the current condition of some of the horses that is not available to the general public (or both). I'm not so sure I want to play in that tough of a game.

[Stillriledup]

That's only half the problem as far as I'm concerned.

Granted, I could very easily be missing some things, but some of the horses that take a ton of money and jog are horses that didn't seem likely to take that much public money. Either the pools are so shark infested there's very little value to be found or there are people with information on the current condition of some of the horses that is not available to the general public (or both). I'm not so sure I want to play in that tough of a game.

It's a game of unexplainable form reversals, unexplainable jockey tactics from 'elite' riders at A circuits and huge money that seems to just 'coincidentally' shy away from certain horses who again, just by coincidence, run poorly. It's also a game of judges looking the other way when these form reversals and 'curious rides' happen. Nobody cares and nobody does a thing about it.

[Nutz and Boltz]

this is the worse its been since i can remember.. they really need the grass racing to start up very soon.. at least its made me to start looking to bet other tracks not a bad thing

The 8th on Wednesday is carded for the Turf. With this crappy weather, it doesn't seem likely that will stick.

[RichieP]

There is one track worth following right now in the entire US....Oaklawn Park. Full fields, legitimate class levels (not 10k claimers favored in MSW races, etc.) and no 56% trainers winning every race.

Oaklawn product is better than anything going for the last couple of years (exluding KEE, SAR, DMR niche meets).

I have to agree with you, racing at OP is tremendous! :)

[SandyW]

There is one track worth following right now in the entire US....Oaklawn Park. Full fields, legitimate class levels (not 10k claimers favored in MSW races, etc.) and no 56% trainers winning every race.

Oaklawn product is better than anything going for the last couple of years (exluding KEE, SAR, DMR niche meets).

Oaklawn Park also does not allow computer batch betting. This track is very horse player friendly. They treat their customers like gold.

[Tom]

Better than that they treat them like customers!