Did You Have a Winning Year in 2015?

[ReplayRandall]

It's time to stare in the mirror and fess up, ask yourself, "How did I do in 2015?" Personally, I had a winning year, which made up for the losses incurred in '14, plus a bit extra. Key for me was tournament play, which had me scrutinizing races I would have passed on in live play. I was sharper more than ever between the months of April to the end of August. I also took more week long breaks to keep from getting stale from the endless replays I watch and notate. Smaller tracks also became a stronger focus for me, with several breakthroughs, model-wise. Anyway, How did you actually do in 2015?

[barahona44]

ADW bets: 5562.00 (Win/Place only,about 90% win, 10 % place)
Winnings: 5213.20
ROI 0.94

The way I look at i, I didn't lose 350 dollars, I had enjoyable experiences for about 7 dollars a week.

[lamboguy]

i got buried, i am trying to get even with this upcoming presidential election.

[ultracapper]

I had a losing year. First one since 2011. Had a couple funky runs. I had 8 winning months. September was a disaster. I had 2 place horses out of 19 bets. Just a freaking disaster.

[azeri98]

I did well in 2011 and 2012 lost a little in 2013 and 2014 and last year broke even. 2011 was my best year ever due to the fact I had the tri and super in the derby, also had the tri in the derby in 2012, but didn't catch the super.

[Shemp Howard]

Since May 2012 I've been winning at a 7% clip, but its not my fault.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Not even close.

[appistappis]

I bet 37,800 and got back 38,600....biggest hit was $824

It was probably a fantastic betting result and its why the 20 year olds are turning to poker

[ReplayRandall]

Since May 2012 I've been winning at a 7% clip, but its not my fault.

Rebates?...

[Nutz and Boltz]

Small profit for the year. Thanks to being more selective in my wagering .

[Baron Star Gregg]

Best year ever.

[formula_2002]

another great year

$0 bet, $0 returned.

During the past 45 years, I am constantly lowering my yearly dollar average loss :)

[Fox]

+.94% for me. Not great not bad.

[biggestal99]

Won betting but once you figure the data costs i was a break even.

Hopeto better this year with the advent of exchange wagering :-)

Allan

[Sir Barton]

Up $21,000 mid $19,000 after data. Contest driven, had a lot of fire power and tried new bets, pick 5, rainbow 6, I always thought if I had more money to fire at them I would be better at them. Turns out I am not, gave me some peace of mind and I found I am a much better win bettor than I ever knew.

[ultracapper]

Up $21,000 mid $19,000 after data. Contest driven, had a lot of fire power and tried new bets, pick 5, rainbow 6, I always thought if I had more money to fire at them I would be better at them. Turns out I am not, gave me some peace of mind and I found I am a much better win bettor than I ever knew.

We hear all the time how we could hit P5s and P6s if we only had the money. There are a lot more dynamics to being successful at those kinds of bets than I wish to explore.

I like the win pool also. Great place to win money if you can figure out a race here and there.

[mountainman]

In black several k. Love live ambience, thus hit trenches and played mainly Mahoning. Deliciously, hanging out with long lost pals there makes it easy to chill and pick my spots.

Incidentally, I don't do as well when I divide my focus to include other tracks.

[ultracapper]

if a push is a win, it's 50%/50% winners to losers.

[thaskalos]

if a push is a win, it's 50%/50% winners to losers.
It must have been an easy year last year.

[Maximillion]

No....after playing with the same small original bankroll for about 3 years I lost the whole thing.
I havent lost all confidence as I( think) i may have figured out what i was doing wrong,so look forward to getting back in the mix.

[Ocala Mike]

Year in and year out, my ROI hovers around $.90 back for every dollar wagered. In other words, I beat the takeout, but I can't seem to get in the plus column due to poor money management/action bets.

[ultracapper]

It must have been an easy year last year.

Triple Crown Winner and a glut of successful gamblers. A true watershed year.

[thaskalos]

Triple Crown Winner and a glut of successful gamblers. A true watershed year.
With so many winners out there...one has to wonder why the mutuel pools are in consistent decline.

[ultracapper]

Taking their profits and treating themselves to McDonald's.

Is there a correlation between winning horseplayers and McDonald's stock price? For you to decide.

The ROYAL YOU.

[mountainman]

If my gambling season were longer than mnr's hiatus, I seriously doubt I could maintain my focus and emotional equanimity enough to show a profit.

And the pressure of wagering for a living would rattle me, at least a little.

[thaskalos]

Taking their profits and treating themselves to McDonald's.

Is there a correlation between winning horseplayers and McDonald's stock price? For you to decide.

The ROYAL YOU.

My experience tells me that the vast majority of the horseplayers use a very peculiar form of record-keeping to track their gambling performance.

I know four guys who were all successful businessmen, with all the trappings of wealth that money could buy. All four of them have destroyed themselves at the track...and now live either in basement apartments, or in their cars. And yet, if you ask them...NONE of them admit that they lose money gambling. "I am holding my own"...is the standard reply. One of them even says that he is "slightly ahead".

[ultracapper]

If they only ran their business as well as they managed their gambling.

[thaskalos]

If they only ran their business as well as they managed their gambling.

Or if ran their gambling as well as they ran their business...when they HAD a business.

[Sir Barton]

I agree, for me it took a long time to find out what I was good at and how to bet rationally. I am going to focus on what I do well and try to do it better this year instead of chasing rainbows.

[v j stauffer]

Vic,

Here is your profit/loss statement from DerbyWars for 2015:

Name

2015 Total Deposits $23,742

2015 Total Withdrawals $32,190

2015 Win/Loss $8,448

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Best Regards,

DerbyWars Support Team

Doesn't include a very good showing in a live money tournament at Del Mar.

Losses at Horse Tourney's and on TVG tempered the bottom line a bit.

But overall 2015 was nicely in the plus.

OH One other thing I won $46,000 over a 4 day period playing Sam Houston and some other track where the pools couldn't possibly have yielded that kind of profit.

I can show my ADW slips. I won't but I can. I'll be busy telling the mainliners at AQU which races are fixed by the Ortiz Brothers.

Finally, Please don't ever ask me to handicap a race or give a release BEFORE a race is run. Or ever play a matchup with EMD even though I agreed to 6 months ago.

[EMD4ME]

Vic,

Here is your profit/loss statement from DerbyWars for 2015:

Name

2015 Total Deposits $23,742

2015 Total Withdrawals $32,190

2015 Win/Loss $8,448

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Best Regards,

DerbyWars Support Team

Doesn't include a very good showing in a live money tournament at Del Mar.

Losses at Horse Tourney's and on TVG tempered the bottom line a bit.

But overall 2015 was nicely in the plus.

OH One other thing I won $46,000 over a 4 day period playing Sam Houston and some other track where the pools couldn't possibly have yielded that kind of profit.

I can show my ADW slips. I won't but I can. I'll be busy telling the mainliners at AQU which races are fixed by the Ortiz Brothers.

Finally, Please don't ever ask me to handicap a race or give a release BEFORE a race is run. Or ever play a matchup with EMD even though I agreed to 6 months ago.


Choke on this you blankety blank of a human being.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128739&highlight=%2420%2C000

You're so OBTUSE and ego centric you don't even recognize that it is ENTIRELY possible to make $26,000 in 2 weeks at Sam Houston and Portland.

Like I've said before.....

I bet real money for real profit, unlike you who bets in tournaments because you can't handle the real pools.


NOW, JUST IN CASE VIC REALLY HAS ME ON IGNORE, CAN SOMEONE OTHER THAN SRU, NCG, NO BREATHYLYZER AND DAHOSS REPLY AND COPY THIS MEESAGE SO WE CAN ELIMINATE VICS EXCUSE OF NOT SEEING MY REPLY TO HIM?

I would appreciate that :)

[Sir Barton]

Or if ran their gambling as well as they ran their business...when they HAD a business.
There is a compulsive part of every horse player I know. Many of us channel it in to database building, replay watching, pedigree research, or all the above and more trying to find an edge. This is a full time business if you want to be successful but you also have control and pass bets where you have no real advantage.

[ReplayRandall]

To those who wish to defecate in this thread.....DON'T....Thank you.. :)

[EMD4ME]

To those who wish to defecate in this thread.....DON'T....Thank you.. :)
I said my peace after Vic attacked me. I'm done. No offense RR.

[thaskalos]

NOW, JUST IN CASE VIC REALLY HAS ME ON IGNORE, CAN SOMEONE OTHER THAN SRU, NCG, NO BREATHYLYZER AND DAHOSS REPLY AND COPY THIS MEESAGE SO WE CAN ELIMINATE VICS EXCUSE OF NOT SEEING MY REPLY TO HIM?

I would appreciate that :)

I would do this for you, EMD4ME...but Vic has me on ignore too.

[NorCalGreg]

I would do this for you, EMD4ME...but Vic has me on ignore too.


me too.....if being a dick was against the law---vic would be on death row.

Since I'm also on his fake ignore.....he'll HAVE to pretend he didn't see that :lol:

[VigorsTheGrey]

My experience tells me that the vast majority of the horseplayers use a very peculiar form of record-keeping to track their gambling performance.

I know four guys who were all successful businessmen, with all the trappings of wealth that money could buy. All four of them have destroyed themselves at the track...and now live either in basement apartments, or in their cars. And yet, if you ask them...NONE of them admit that they lose money gambling. "I am holding my own"...is the standard reply. One of them even says that he is "slightly ahead".

My particular personal favorite gambling canard is the infamous "oh, I broke even"....! Whenever you hear this, assume the man has just lost his shirt...How do I know...years and years of self-deception... ;)

[NorCalGreg]

No....after playing with the same small original bankroll for about 3 years I lost the whole thing.
I havent lost all confidence as I( think) i may have figured out what i was doing wrong,so look forward to getting back in the mix.

I did the same thing, Dan.....turned a small bankroll, into a much larger bankroll.

Wow! I was feeling good---Mr horseplayer, I was. A ramblin, gamblin man---That was all my horrible money mis-management, stunted emotional strength...and sorry lack of any mental discipline, needed. Amazing how quick that bankroll disappeard.

But---I faced the music--and did what any sensible, mature horseplayer would do---GOT ME A NEW BANKROLL!

[Nitro]

With so many winners out there...one has to wonder why the mutuel pools are in consistent decline. If not said in jest, I doubt this comment covers the total Mutual betting pools across the board for all the race meets for 2015. An excellent counter example from last year would be the Mutual pools at my longtime favorite stateside meet at Saratoga. But even if serious, keep in mind that the Mutual pools are exclusive from all of the money being wagered in the Exotic pools. ;)

Yet, I have to certainly agree with the paradox expressed by Thaskalos considering the fact that only 5% of the Outsiders in the overall betting population are truly winning players. I’m not going boast about my personal accomplishments over the last few years, but I will mention something that has consistently worked for me in the betting arena:

Knowing when to play and when to pass. This decision is usually based on whether or not I believe that the net return on a winning bet will cover anticipated losses in line with my documented percentage of a win-to-loss hit frequency. In order to do this effectively I always have to consider the value of the selections being played over and above whether or not I believe the bet will win. That’s one of the reasons why I believe that the betting process is more significant than the selection process.

My particular personal favorite gambling canard is the infamous "oh, I broke even"....! Whenever you hear this, assume the man has just lost his shirt...How do I know...years and years of self-deception... ;) With respect to what Vigor’s mentioned my personal favorite antithesis is when I hear a player that's won early on and lost it all later say, “Well who cares, I was playing with their money anyway”. Talk about a self-defeating attitude! I’d like to think that if I win money, that it’s no longer “theirs” and I value its ownership. :ThmbUp:
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[Nitro]

Yet, I have to certainly agree with the Poll paradox expressed by Thaskalos considering the fact that only 5% of the Outsiders in the overall betting population are truly winning players.
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Correction

[Poindexter]

Throughbred racing since start of 2015.

Days played 95.
Overall -$6735 Overall bet $57,068
Rebates/bonuses $3051
Net loss $3684.

Breakdown(pre rebates)
Win +832 on 5355 bet
Place+360 on 8100 bet
Doubles -1097 on 6600 bet
Exacta -684 on 9572 bet
Pick 4’s -1185 on 5707 bet
Pick 5’s -1064 on 1752 bet
Supers -621 on 3773 bet
Tris -2038 on 7091 bet
Super high 5 -418 on 418 bet
Pick 3 -820 on 8628 bet

In addition to above played pick sixes for
$6800 losing 894
And made a bit over $400 at Derby Wars.
So overall net loss was around $4180.
Overall the big weakness in my game is tris/supers/super high5’s.
Pick 3’s and Pick 4’s I feel can be profitable with a little better luck/decision making.

Don't have the time to play currently so likely to be out of action in 2016. :( :( :(

[Johnny V]

If one keeps accurate records the truth can sometimes be brutal. At the end of 2015 I knew exactly how I did for the year. A loss. My return was .92 for the year overall. Turf racing is what did me in for 2015.
As one poster mentioned earlier, self deception is too easy. Gee, if I just not count those few races that I really should not have played and those dumb mistakes choosing the wrong tiebreaker or whatever then I would have a profit. Therefore I really had a profit. Self deception.
Will I avoid those type of races that I fared poorly in last year or not as well as other types: probably not. Why? Because I have shown profits in them in the past plus I like to play those races sometimes. I have had winning years and no one likes to admit that they lost for the year but I like this game and as long as I am competitive I consider a relatively small overall loss for the enjoyment as not that big a deal. I wish everyone a profitable 2016!

[yesman3000]

make $2200.00. most of it on breeder cup $1600.00.

[PaceAdvantage]

Choke on this you blankety blank of a human being.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128739&highlight=%2420%2C000

You're so OBTUSE and ego centric you don't even recognize that it is ENTIRELY possible to make $26,000 in 2 weeks at Sam Houston and Portland.

Like I've said before.....

I bet real money for real profit, unlike you who bets in tournaments because you can't handle the real pools.


NOW, JUST IN CASE VIC REALLY HAS ME ON IGNORE, CAN SOMEONE OTHER THAN SRU, NCG, NO BREATHYLYZER AND DAHOSS REPLY AND COPY THIS MEESAGE SO WE CAN ELIMINATE VICS EXCUSE OF NOT SEEING MY REPLY TO HIM?

I would appreciate that :)You two idiots can never just let it go...and then you'll come crying to me again about how I close threads too much around here...*F* you both.

After this reply, anything that continues the animosity between Vic and EMD will be swiftly deleted. Moderators take note.

[EMD4ME]

You two idiots can never just let it go...and then you'll come crying to me again about how I close threads too much around here...*F* you both.

After this reply, anything that continues the animosity between Vic and EMD will be swiftly deleted. Moderators take note.

PA,

I respect you and your site. However, I need to say the following:

Lumping me in with Vic is like calling GOD AND THE DEVIL "you 2 religous guys".

Please don't lump me in with him.

He has utilized YOUR site to attack me twice and twice, I took the opportunity to defend publicly.

Please don't lump the defender WITH the offender. It is NOT fair and sets a terrible precedent.

Sincerely,

EMD4ME

P.S. With that said, I've said my peace, won't bring this up again.

[v j stauffer]

You two idiots can never just let it go...and then you'll come crying to me again about how I close threads too much around here...*F* you both.

After this reply, anything that continues the animosity between Vic and EMD will be swiftly deleted. Moderators take note.

What does *F* stand for?

[NorCalGreg]

Don't know about you losers....but I had a good year :ThmbUp:

[johnhannibalsmith]

Don't know about you losers....but I had a good year :ThmbUp:

Lightweight.

[VigorsTheGrey]

Don't know about you losers....but I had a good year :ThmbUp:

That's great! NCG,...Love your snapshot! I guess now I don't feel so intimidated with joining the ranks of the Handicapping "Titans"....!

Regards Vigors.

[RIsurfcaster]

My first year was 2014, and it was a winning year. 2015 was not. I enjoyed every moment of it and try to learn from all my missed bets though.

[castaway01]

My experience tells me that the vast majority of the horseplayers use a very peculiar form of record-keeping to track their gambling performance.



It's called fiction.

[NorCalGreg]

Lightweight.

hahahahaha...good one, john :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

What does *F* stand for?Something much nicer than what you once called me

[Stillriledup]

You two idiots can never just let it go...and then you'll come crying to me again about how I close threads too much around here...*F* you both.

After this reply, anything that continues the animosity between Vic and EMD will be swiftly deleted. Moderators take note.

I know this may be hard to believe, but people like reading this stuff. It's entertaining.

[no breathalyzer]

I know this may be hard to believe, but people like reading this stuff. It's entertaining.


It is Monday... its better then betting these rat tracks today

[PaceAdvantage]

I know this may be hard to believe, but people like reading this stuff. It's entertaining.People like looking at porn too, but I don't have any of that on here either.

[Stillriledup]

People like looking at porn too, but I don't have any of that on here either.

People go to any site for information, entertainment or both. Why make it less entertaining?

[PaceAdvantage]

People go to any site for information, entertainment or both. Why make it less entertaining?I can't sit here and in good conscience waste my time explaining the obvious to you, just so you can up your post count a little more.

[NorCalGreg]

I can't sit here and in good conscience waste my time explaining the obvious to you, just so you can up your post count a little more.


So...that a no on the porn?

[johnhannibalsmith]

People go to any site for information, entertainment or both. Why make it less entertaining?

Make a special thread where Vic can instigate shit for his self-gratification so it doesn't wreck the threads that have nothing to do with it.

[NorCalGreg]

That's great! NCG,...Love your snapshot! I guess now I don't feel so intimidated with joining the ranks of the Handicapping "Titans"....!

Regards Vigors.

LOL "TITANS"....probably a lot of people started with XB--then realized the foolishness of THAT---moved over to TS or one of the other ADW's--and never replenished their XB acct. That's why more than one person has pennies left @XB.

[v j stauffer]

Make a special thread where Vic can instigate shit for his self-gratification so it doesn't wreck the threads that have nothing to do with it.

Listen Emmit. I may be a lot of things. But an instigator I am not. More a protector I'd say.

From the endless whining, drivel and overall childlike behavior.

Despite strong admonishment from my wife and many friends I've stayed the course.

Because I believe there are a few out there that really care about our sport. Really want to hear how it works from the inside. And really want to enjoy everything it can be.

I don't suffer fools and more importantly LIARS very well.

I started ignoring some of the most egregious. But one can't block everyone.

Especially in this case our PA leader who might very well be the biggest clown of all.

If he wasn't spending so much time searching for TLG pictured wallpaper.........

Well you know how man crushes can go.

Read what you wrote idiot. If that's not trolling there isn't one cow standing in the state of Texas.

Either contribute. Give me a chance to contribute. Or shut the *F* up.

[johnhannibalsmith]

:lol: :lol:

I'm honored that I'm not on ignore.

[ultracapper]

Getting back on track, can some of the folks that voted in the poll also state how they kept records, and where they placed their bets?

I bet a total of $120 at my OTB this year, the remainder on my TVG acct. Very easy to keep accurate, all inclusive records.

[Stillriledup]

Listen Emmit. I may be a lot of things. But an instigator I am not. More a protector I'd say.

From the endless whining, drivel and overall childlike behavior.

Despite strong admonishment from my wife and many friends I've stayed the course.

Because I believe there are a few out there that really care about our sport. Really want to hear how it works from the inside. And really want to enjoy everything it can be.

I don't suffer fools and more importantly LIARS very well.

I started ignoring some of the most egregious. But one can't block everyone.

Especially in this case our PA leader who might very well be the biggest clown of all.

If he wasn't spending so much time searching for TLG pictured wallpaper.........

Well you know how man crushes can go.

Read what you wrote idiot. If that's not trolling there isn't one cow standing in the state of Texas.

Either contribute. Give me a chance to contribute. Or shut the *F* up.

At what point does the amount of 'ignores' add up that you start to realize where the problem lies?

You also CAN block everyone, it's called getting your own message board, that way, it can be all about you 24/7.

As far as contributing goes, JHS has contributed more here in 2016 than you have in your PA existence, for every one informative post you put up, we have to deal with 9 from the 'dark place', not that I'm complaining its highly entertaining.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Getting back on track, can some of the folks that voted in the poll also state how they kept records, and where they placed their bets?

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That's one of the nicest things about finally having ADW access. Without much record keeping to speak of I knew that my on-track performance was a loss. With the ADW records, I could vote with confidence. And if we could vote for 2016 right now I think I could at worst make a hell of a prediction. :D

[ReplayRandall]

At what point does the amount of 'ignores' add up that you start to realize where the problem lies?

You also CAN block everyone, it's called getting your own message board, that way, it can be all about you 24/7.

As far as contributing goes, JHS has contributed more here in 2016 than you have in your PA existence, for every one informative post you put up, we have to deal with 9 from the 'dark place', not that I'm complaining its highly entertaining.

You're out of line here, SRU. Vic never mentioned you or inferred your name. Why then are you ignoring POST#33......You're not that stupid, or are you?......I meant what I said..DON'T.

[Stillriledup]

You're out of line here, SRU. Vic never mentioned you or inferred your name. Why then are you ignoring POST#33......You're not that stupid, or are you?......I meant what I said..DON'T.

I'm one of the posters he's 'ignoring' . in fact, I'm pretty certain I'm #1 on his list, he's talking about me and EMD for the most part, him not mentioning our names is just a technicality, don't pretend that because he hasn't mentioned me by name that he's not specifically talking about me, EMD, Greg and recently minted Dahoss.

Sorry for breaking post 33, ill try and be better going forward. Hopefully you can forgive me and we can be coup de la :ThmbUp:

[Maximillion]

That's one of the nicest things about finally having ADW access. Without much record keeping to speak of I knew that my on-track performance was a loss. With the ADW records, I could vote with confidence. And if we could vote for 2016 right now I think I could at worst make a hell of a prediction. :D

I think a spreadsheet is the way to go as far as keeping records....you can get as detailed as you see fit and its not hard at all to put together.Mine tells me that im getting buried playing cheap older horses at any distance, at any track.

[Fox]

Getting back on track, can some of the folks that voted in the poll also state how they kept records, and where they placed their bets?


Some of the poll answers should be broken down like:

1. I can actually look it up and prove it if had to and I had a winning year in 2015.

2. I can't look it up, I could never prove it but I had a winning year in 2015.

Myself, all my parimutuel bets went through one adw and the records can easily queried.

[azeri98]

It seems like 25% of the threads start out fine then turn into pissing contests. Its the PA version of the GOP race. Can I quote the infamous Rodney King "Can't we all just get along". :D

[EMD4ME]

Some of the poll answers should be broken down like:

1. I can actually look it up and prove it if had to and I had a winning year in 2015.

2. I can't look it up, I could never prove it but I had a winning year in 2015.

Myself, all my parimutuel bets went through one adw and the records can easily queried.

I'm so glad I am not the only one who was going to recommend this. I didn't as I didn't want anyone to say you're questioning me or what not.

If someone is going to say they won for the year, the month, the week etc. then they should screen shot their ADW stats.

Now we all know, a lot of players have 2,3,4,5 ADW's so screen shotting 1 doesn't make it fool proof but it's better than someone's word.

Whenever I've been questioned, I've taken screen shots and placed them right on here. Name of course, left out.

On another note, I'm wondering if all these winners have declared their income (net profit) on their taxes???

If yes, bravo. If no, here's a tip, don't post on gambling boards that you were profitable as someone might be watching.....

[NorCalGreg]

I'm so glad I am not the only one who was going to recommend this. I didn't as I didn't want anyone to say you're questioning me or what not.

If someone is going to say they won for the year, the month, the week etc. then they should screen shot their ADW stats.

Now we all know, a lot of players have 2,3,4,5 ADW's so screen shotting 1 doesn't make it fool proof but it's better than someone's word.

Whenever I've been questioned, I've taken screen shots and placed them right on here. Name of course, left out.

On another note, I'm wondering if all these winners have declared their income (net profit) on their taxes???

If yes, bravo. If no, here's a tip, don't post on gambling boards that you were profitable as someone might be watching.....


Good point about ADW's---couple mouse clicks and I can find out how I did at which track, what wagers were profitable across the board, how much I suck in exotics, etc. And yes, I did find I totally sucked with exotic bets---they're killing my ROI to be honest.
I never really kept detailed records like that--so glad my ADW does it for me--free.

[EMD4ME]

Good point about ADW's---couple mouse clicks and I can find out how I did at which track, what wagers were profitable across the board, how much I suck in exotics, etc. And yes, I did find I totally sucked with exotic bets---they're killing my ROI to be honest.
I never really kept detailed records like that--so glad my ADW does it for me--free.

I love TS for that. You can break it all down. By track, by dates, specific bets, etc etc.

NYRA Rewards, I can barely check my daily activity, forget breaking something down. Not knocking them but they should get better at "bet records".

[appistappis]

So...that a no on the porn?


:D :D

[EMD4ME]

So...that a no on the porn?

Maybe my PA is better than your PA?

I have PORN popping up on the right side all day. :D :D :D

Just kidding.....

But I do click on most of the ads many times a week.

If you wanna play, make them pay!

[NorCalGreg]

Maybe my PA is better than your PA?

I have PORN popping up on the right side all day. :D :D :D

Just kidding.....

But I do click on most of the ads many times a week.

If you wanna play, make them pay!


click on ads? I spend money, bruh. I've spent money with Overlay, Dave, and if those shameless show-offs with RDSS keep dominating the contest--I may spend some money with Ted.

[EMD4ME]

click on ads? I spend money, bruh. I've spent money with Overlay, Dave, and if those shameless show-offs with RDSS keep dominating the contest--I may spend some money with Ted.

You have me beat. I have NO DEFENSE.

But if CJ is reading, I have started (thanks to KA$H recommending them and answering questions) utilizing TFUS from time to time with daily plans. (Shameless plug :blush: )

[Fox]

If someone is going to say they won for the year, the month, the week etc. then they should screen shot their ADW stats.
...

I'm not encouraging anyone to post a screenshot. My hat's off to anyone who does. I would never post mine but if the internet truth police dropped by my house and put a gun to my head, I could back it up. But if you think you had a profitable year but honestly couldn't back it up to save your mother's life, you should have a special category.

I do declare all on my taxes in case anyone is watching.

[EMD4ME]

I'm not encouraging anyone to post a screenshot. My hat's off to anyone who does. I would never post mine but if the internet truth police dropped by my house and put a gun to my head, I could back it up. But if you think you had a profitable year but honestly couldn't back it up to save your mother's life, you should have a special category.

I do declare all on my taxes in case anyone is watching.

Sorry if I misunderstood you.

Wasn't questioning anyone, just saying that if someone says they won, some credibility should be attached to it. I apologize as I thought you meant the same.

The IRS is someone no one should EVER have to argue with. It's no fun. Hence, my suggestion.

Shoot, I have to pay estimated taxes every quarter because of my blankety blank W-2 G's. THAT is annoying.

[VigorsTheGrey]

I'm taking donations for the "Save the Horse Player" non-profit. Horse Players are an endangered species...I was wondering if I could get any of you more successful handicappers and bettors out there to contribute to this important not-for-profit corporation....I am the President of Save the Horse Player...I distribute roughly 10% to down-on-their-chips horse players who need our support....The rest goes for paying for administrative secretaries...and of course a small stipend for myself from what remains...I thank you for your generous support....In case you need a write off, remember any contributions to Save the Horse Player are tax deductible...

[EMD4ME]

I'm taking donations for the "Save the Horse Player" non-profit. Horse Players are an endangered species...I was wondering if I could get any of you more successful handicappers and bettors out there to contribute to this important not-for-profit corporation....I am the President of Save the Horse Player...I distribute roughly 10% to down-on-their-chips horse players who need our support....The rest goes for paying for administrative secretaries...and of course a small stipend for myself from what remains...I thank you for your generous support....In case you need a write off, remember any contributions to Save the Horse Player are tax deductible...


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now, in case you are serious.....may I have the 501C3 please?

[ultracapper]

Since TVG changed their web site, I have been unable to find what they used to call a Summary. It just shows Balance, deposits, bets, winnings, withdrawals, and ending balance. Very easy to see how you were doing for any chosen period of time. All I can find now is a list of bets made. Any TVG users out there know if that old summary page is still a feature? I e-mailed at their little Feedback tab on the right side of the page, but surprised as you may all be to hear this, they haven't got back to me yet.

[VigorsTheGrey]

After some of you posted your snapshots, I saw a glimpse of how you structure your bets, which were more successful, which were not....Got me thinking, the various wagering companies can filter all our information en gross, find out who exactly are the winning players, what the winning categories are and just mirror the bets of THEIR TOP PERFORMERS....I wish I had access to the data and betting patterns of all the best players! THAT... I would consider a fantastic EDGE!

[EMD4ME]

After some of you posted your snapshots, I saw a glimpse of how you structure your bets, which were more successful, which were not....Got me thinking, the various wagering companies can filter all our information en gross, find out who exactly are the winning players, what the winning categories are and just mirror the bets of THEIR TOP PERFORMERS....I wish I had access to the data and betting patterns of all the best players! THAT... I would consider a fantastic EDGE!

That is a fantastic point.

Only to be topped by:

I wish I could (of course I am kidding, meaning I wouldn't do it) book all the bets of 99% of the people that I have ever met at the track.

Heck, I'd even give them 10% extra. Not just rebates. But 10% above what their ticket pays AND 10% REBATES.

[ultracapper]

After some of you posted your snapshots, I saw a glimpse of how you structure your bets, which were more successful, which were not....Got me thinking, the various wagering companies can filter all our information en gross, find out who exactly are the winning players, what the winning categories are and just mirror the bets of THEIR TOP PERFORMERS....I wish I had access to the data and betting patterns of all the best players! THAT... I would consider a fantastic EDGE!

There is an approved advertiser here at PA that refuses to bet on ADWs as he is certain during one of his better spells they were watching his account and perhaps betting his picks. He has a link to his site from any post he makes. I went to his site one day and read through it, and noticed this claim. I'll have to snoop around and see if I can find him again.

[v j stauffer]

That is a fantastic point.

Only to be topped by:

I wish I could (of course I am kidding, meaning I wouldn't do it) book all the bets of 99% of the people that I have ever met at the track.

Heck, I'd even give them 10% extra. Not just rebates. But 10% above what their ticket pays AND 10% REBATES.

OK. When do we start. Do you want me to send a cashiers check?

Here's your chance to shut me up once and for all.

10% extra on all payoffs. Plus a 10% rebate.

You've talked a lot of BS smack for a long time. But never showed 1 ounce of accountability.

Well here it is.

I'm willing to send $20,000 up front tomorrow.

Let's see if you're man enough to do what you have offered. :ThmbUp:

[Longshot6977]

Since TVG changed their web site, I have been unable to find what they used to call a Summary. It just shows Balance, deposits, bets, winnings, withdrawals, and ending balance. Very easy to see how you were doing for any chosen period of time. All I can find now is a list of bets made. Any TVG users out there know if that old summary page is still a feature? I e-mailed at their little Feedback tab on the right side of the page, but surprised as you may all be to hear this, they haven't got back to me yet.

I don't like their new site either. Simply go the the very bottom of the home page and click the link that is named "Back to previous site". Voila.

[Donttellmeshowme]

OK. When do we start. Do you want me to send a cashiers check?

Here's your chance to shut me up once and for all.

10% extra on all payoffs. Plus a 10% rebate.

You've talked a lot of BS smack for a long time. But never showed 1 ounce of accountability.

Well here it is.

I'm willing to send $20,000 up front tomorrow.

Let's see if you're man enough to do what you have offered. :ThmbUp:




Thats some straight fire there boys. EMD4ME you either in or out?

[ultracapper]

I don't like their new site either. Simply go the the very bottom of the home page and click the link that is named "Back to previous site". Voila.

TY. Hadn't noticed that.

[Stillriledup]

OK. When do we start. Do you want me to send a cashiers check?

Here's your chance to shut me up once and for all.

10% extra on all payoffs. Plus a 10% rebate.

You've talked a lot of BS smack for a long time. But never showed 1 ounce of accountability.

Well here it is.

I'm willing to send $20,000 up front tomorrow.

Let's see if you're man enough to do what you have offered. :ThmbUp:

Does this mean Dahoss has moved from 5 to 4? :D

[v j stauffer]

Does this mean Dahoss has moved from 5 to 4? :D

If EMD is serious about this offer I might be willing to marry DaHoss!

[NorCalGreg]

Thats some straight fire there boys. EMD4ME you either in or out?

Shut this knucklehead up, EMD :ThmbUp:

Edit: not referring to you, Donttellmeshowme :D

[thaskalos]

I offer to hold the money...unless you guys know where I live.

[v j stauffer]

I offer to hold the money...unless you guys know where I live.

I have ZERO problem with you holding the money and doing the accounting if you'd like.

[thaskalos]

I have ZERO problem with you holding the money and doing the accounting if you'd like.

I'd love to see something like this...but I am convinced that it won't take place. EMD4ME said that he would be willing to book 99% of the people that he has met...and I am pretty sure that you are a part of the excluded 1%. After Derby Wars...your reputation precedes you. :)

[v j stauffer]

I'd love to see something like this...but I am convinced that it won't take place. EMD4ME said that he would be willing to book 99% of the people that he has met...and I am pretty sure that you are a part of the excluded 1%. After Derby Wars...your reputation precedes you. :)

You're probably right. All he does is talk. Doubt he has the stones to put his $$ where his mouth is.

Last spring he agreed to play me in heads up matches on Derby Wars. Talked all the smack but didn't step up like a man.

The prospect of the matches just faded away.

Must have been too busy breaking the bank betting 2/5 shots that "can't lose" at the BIG A or taking $20,000 out of Portland and Sam Houston in 4 days.

My offer stands. All he has to do is beat me. Heck he can lay off the ones he expertly knows are dangerous.

My check is ready to send.

Or I'll be waiting at Derby Wars.

Any Track, Any Amount, Any Time.

[Donttellmeshowme]

You're probably right. All he does is talk. Doubt he has the stones to put his $$ where his mouth is.

Last spring he agreed to play me in heads up matches on Derby Wars. Talked all the smack but didn't step up like a man.

The prospect of the matches just faded away.

Must have been too busy breaking the bank betting 2/5 shots that "can't lose" at the BIG A or taking $20,000 out of Portland and Sam Houston in 4 days.

My offer stands. All he has to do is beat me. Heck he can lay off the ones he expertly knows are dangerous.

My check is ready to send.

Or I'll be waiting at Derby Wars.

Any Track, Any Amount, Any Time.


Your not afraid to back up ur capping skills. I love it...

[Stillriledup]

You're probably right. All he does is talk. Doubt he has the stones to put his $$ where his mouth is.

Last spring he agreed to play me in heads up matches on Derby Wars. Talked all the smack but didn't step up like a man.

The prospect of the matches just faded away.

Must have been too busy breaking the bank betting 2/5 shots that "can't lose" at the BIG A or taking $20,000 out of Portland and Sam Houston in 4 days.

My offer stands. All he has to do is beat me. Heck he can lay off the ones he expertly knows are dangerous.

My check is ready to send.

Or I'll be waiting at Derby Wars.

Any Track, Any Amount, Any Time.

Harness racing and greyhound racing? Or just tbreds?

[castaway01]

I think both Vic and EMDREFADRDFSDAF4ME act like clowns on this site and their main enjoyment in life is hearing themselves talk (not that I don't resemble that remark myself at times). With that said, Vic has won a bunch of those DerbyWars deals, including the one against members of this site. On top of that, EDERER4ME backed down when Vic offered to play him heads up. So, Vic has proven he's a great bettor, plus the other guy is a proven coward. It's a stakes horse against a $2500 claimer.

I'd much rather see Vic against Thaskalos. At least that might be interesting.

[ReplayRandall]

You know what I'd like to see?.....THIS THREAD GET BACK ON TOPIC.

Someone post what you did differently in 2015, that made you a winner, or at least came close to breaking even.

Someone post what leak you discovered in your game, that you became aware of, and how you'll stop repeating that same mistake.

Someone post why you've FINALLY starting keeping records, what did you find?

[Stillriledup]

I think both Vic and EMDREFADRDFSDAF4ME act like clowns on this site and their main enjoyment in life is hearing themselves talk (not that I don't resemble that remark myself at times). With that said, Vic has won a bunch of those DerbyWars deals, including the one against members of this site. On top of that, EDERER4ME backed down when Vic offered to play him heads up. So, Vic has proven he's a great bettor, plus the other guy is a proven coward. It's a stakes horse against a $2500 claimer.

I'd much rather see Vic against Thaskalos. At least that might be interesting.

I wouldn't go as far to say that a person is a 'proven coward' for not getting into bed with a very unstable character on the Internet. If I challenged Steph Curry to a 3 pt shooting contest would he be a coward if he didn't accept the challenge ? Of course not.

[azeri98]

You know what I'd like to see?.....THIS THREAD GET BACK ON TOPIC.

Someone post what you did differently in 2015, that made you a winner, or at least came close to breaking even.

Someone post what leak you discovered in your game, that you became aware of, and how you'll stop repeating that same mistake.

Someone post why you've FINALLY starting keeping records, what did you find?
I agree with you, I don't think I did well in 2015 I almost broke even, down about $300 not including cost of forms. I based more of more emphasis on software and numbers, I didn't look closely enough at trip notes and actually reading the form. I still did just not as in depth, I have gone back to that now and faring a little better. I depended to much on software and math. I am also looking more at trainer patterns and trying to find setup races.

[castaway01]

You know what I'd like to see?.....THIS THREAD GET BACK ON TOPIC.

Someone post what you did differently in 2015, that made you a winner, or at least came close to breaking even.

Someone post what leak you discovered in your game, that you became aware of, and how you'll stop repeating that same mistake.

Someone post why you've FINALLY starting keeping records, what did you find?

Fair enough. This wasn't last year (more like 1997), but what I learned from keeping records was that the tracks I liked best or had the best racing weren't the tracks that I necessarily did best at. It helped me learn that sometimes I might love watching racing from one track but for me it was best to stick to small bets or turf races or whatever I did do decently at (for each person it's going to be different) and keep my serious betting to the tracks I "understand".

I'm a trainer handicapper. I know, supertrainers, boo, hiss. What record keeping showed me was that in the 2000s, as everyone started looking at supertrainers and betting them hard, I couldn't make money straight win betting on anything but obscure trainer moves. At the same time, keeping good records showed me that for me, Pick 3, Pick 4, and Daily Double bets I could still turn a profit. YMMV. Everything we do has a high takeout, so you need to know where you have some advantage over the crowd (and when it's gone).

Common sense.

[wisconsin]

Lightweight.


Doh! Nothing worse than funds you can't bet with... ;)

[v j stauffer]

I think both Vic and EMDREFADRDFSDAF4ME act like clowns on this site and their main enjoyment in life is hearing themselves talk (not that I don't resemble that remark myself at times). With that said, Vic has won a bunch of those DerbyWars deals, including the one against members of this site. On top of that, EDERER4ME backed down when Vic offered to play him heads up. So, Vic has proven he's a great bettor, plus the other guy is a proven coward. It's a stakes horse against a $2500 claimer.

I'd much rather see Vic against Thaskalos. At least that might be interesting.

For myself I can ASSURE you it's no act!

[NorCalGreg]

Allright EMD....you've been called a coward---no excuses, he did challenge you before...a couple times, really. You were supposed to show us your EASY 2K spare-time show parlay---never happened--your derby wars deal--never happened--now this.

Vic can be a total jerk---but that doesn't mean he can't 'cap his a$$ off. But a guy who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from betting horses--would make vic, me, and everyone else on this board look silly.

Let's do this :ThmbUp:

[NorCalGreg]

After giving this more thought....here's what I think, EMD. I can tell you're a decent guy, even in this plain-text world we exist in, on this board.

My opinion---you made some outlandish statements about your betting acumen--and it snowballed from there. This is common on the internet.
Also...THIS is always the end result--the charade has to stop, it's inevitable.

Right now, EMD...admit you got a little carried away, and you're really just a regular gum-shoe bettor, like the rest of us.

Trust me...I can also tell Vic is the kind of guy that absolutely will not kick a man when he's a little humiliated. He's a jerk, but not a total a$$hole.

It's up to you, EMD....no shame in admitting something...getting it off your chest, clearing the air, etc.

AND THEN.....we all forget about it, and go back to what it is we do here on PA.....talk smack.

for whatever that was worth....

-NCG

[Alwaysonpoint36]

.
Right now, EMD...admit you got a little carried away, and you're really just a regular gum-shoe bettor, like the rest of us.


i don't know about that....

[EMD4ME]

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1953826#post1953826


Sorry everyone. Busy day and it is Mom's birthday, first since she was permanenty crippled.

Just got a chance to reply.

Didn't want to ruin this thread (I do respect you PA, CJ, MANU and of course Replay Randall) so I created a new thread to answer the resident bully.

Mom wants an after dinner treat, so I will be missing for 2 hours.

Enjoy.

[NorCalGreg]

i don't know about that....


You don't know about "us" being regular gum-shoe bettors? :D

Trust me..we are.


Oh....and I mean "us" as the Royal "us".

haha....I love that term.

[Stillriledup]

You don't know about "us" being regular gum-shoe bettors? :D

Trust me..we are.


Oh....and I mean "us" as the Royal "us".

haha....I love that term.

We are?

[v j stauffer]

After giving this more thought....here's what I think, EMD. I can tell you're a decent guy, even in this plain-text world we exist in, on this board.

My opinion---you made some outlandish statements about your betting acumen--and it snowballed from there. This is common on the internet.
Also...THIS is always the end result--the charade has to stop, it's inevitable.

Right now, EMD...admit you got a little carried away, and you're really just a regular gum-shoe bettor, like the rest of us.

Trust me...I can also tell Vic is the kind of guy that absolutely will not kick a man when he's a little humiliated. He's a jerk, but not a total a$$hole.

It's up to you, EMD....no shame in admitting something...getting it off your chest, clearing the air, etc.

AND THEN.....we all forget about it, and go back to what it is we do here on PA.....talk smack.

for whatever that was worth....

-NCG

Nicely said. :ThmbUp:

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Aren't there some times in some threads where you are waiting for Hoover or Otter or Bluto or one of the other Deltas to yell TOGA PARTY!

[mountainman]

I've been called arrogant, but, in truth, I wish I COULD muster some real bravado on this topic. However, the game is just too humbling.

A teller at Mahoning asked me how I "always seem to win." I responded with the truth: this sport has kicked me to the ground so many times that having reached a point where I know my limitations well enough to turn a profit is bittersweet consolation.

Ironically, the sobering realization that I'm NOT the smartest guy in the room more than anything nudged me into the black. I no longer bet races on which I lack a strong opinion. And for me, that entails turning a deaf ear to my ego and acknowledging that there are plenty of handicappers with better insight into plenty of races,

So, I pick my fights carefully these days. Like Anthony Hopkins' Zorro, I wait until my adversary enters MY circle. That's the only way I can beat the skim.

[ReplayRandall]

I've been called arrogant, but, in truth, I wish I COULD muster some real bravado on this topic. However, the game is just too humbling.

A teller at Mahoning asked me how I "always seem to win." I responded with the truth: this sport has kicked me to the ground so many times that having reached a point where I know my limitations well enough to turn a profit is bittersweet consolation.

Ironically, the sobering realization that I'm NOT the smartest guy in the room more than anything nudged me into the black. I no longer bet races on which I lack a strong opinion. And for me, that entails turning a deaf ear to my ego and acknowledging that there are plenty of handicappers with better insight into plenty of races,

So, I pick my fights carefully these days. Like Anthony Hopkins' Zoro, I wait until my adversary enters MY circle. That's the only way I can beat the skim.

A real deal post, MM......Thanks for the honesty.

[v j stauffer]

Played a 12 person Tampa game today on DerbyWars. $370 to play. $3000 to win $1000 for 2nd. Lost by 20 cents. :bang:

[NorCalGreg]

Played a 12 person Tampa game today on DerbyWars. $370 to play. $3000 to win $1000 for 2nd. Lost by 20 cents. :bang:


Curry didn't play at all, W's still win...hmm.

[Lucky Dave]

Back to the original question. I had a losing year in 2015...

Win ROI Win/Loss
--- --- --------
14.06% -.68 -$223.62

...but 2014 was better:

Win ROI Win/Loss
--- --- --------
27.76% +.70 +$732.34 (KY Derby exacta/trifectas mainly)


Here's to a profitable 2016!!!

LuckyD

[MutuelClerk]

Don't bet a lot. Mostly harness in the summer. Grand circuit stuff. Hit a .20 super at Mohawk that paid over 8k. Those help. :)

[ReplayRandall]

Let's compare 2015 vs 2014

It looks like we have 5% more winning players,
2% more break even players,
and 7% LESS losing players......Great improvement PA members!

Here's to a WINNING YEAR in 2016!

View Poll Results: Did You Have a Winning Year in 2015
I had a winning 2015.................32 32.32%
I came close to even in 2015.......11 11.11%
I had a losing year in 2015..........50 50.51%
I don't want to know how I did.....6 6.06%
Voters: 99

View Poll Results: How did you do in 2014 ?
I had a winning 2014 !!!.............29 27.36%
I was close to even in 2014.........10 9.43%
I had a losing year in 2014..........61 57.55%
I don't want to know how I did.....6 5.66%
Voters: 106.

[classhandicapper]

Maybe you should try combining 2014, 2015, and so far in 2016 as a group to get a larger sample.

[saddle sore]

Well so far my profit in 2016 is 6462.00. So Randall you got my early vote for 2016 as a profitable year....Can't speak of the other years cause i never kept records until now....CHEERS to everyone at Pace.

[lamboguy]

i had such a bad year that i was wondering if anyone knows any friendly faces!

[Si2see]

RR,

Thanks for creating this thread. I created it at the end of 2014 because I was excited that I had such a great year.....

I will be the first to say I had a terrible horse racing year through the windows in 2015. I hit 3 signers as opposed to the 13 I hit in 2014. This is a big part of my game, if I am not hitting large scores I will be a sure loser. Even after crushing Preakness Day, and doing decent on Breeders cup I was down over 3 times what I was ahead for 2014.

I am happy to say in the handicapping tournament world which I really consider last year as my first semi-serious year, I was very happy with my results. I won 3 trips to vegas out of the 4 times I went. I beat some of the best handicappers in the country on Kentucky Oaks day on horse tourneys for a little $1500 score, and my most proud moment I finished 29th out of 734 in the 2015 Horse Player World Series.

I started this year with my first live contest in the Laurel Champions game last Saturday where I finished in 10th place out of 271 entries.

I have also already hit 3 signers this year which ties 2015. Hopefully 2016 will be a better year or I will have to seriously consider cutting back the amount of time and money that I "invest" in this game we all love.

Best of luck to everyone in 2016 :ThmbUp:
Jason

[mostpost]

I had a winning year in 2015 and I really enjoyed the Pop Tart I bought with my winnings.

[Track Collector]

I had a winning year in 2015 and I really enjoyed the Pop Tart I bought with my winnings.

Maybe your net winnings were not what you had hoped they would be, but you out-performed MOST other handicappers. :ThmbUp:

(Including me).

[JimmyQ]

I guess the 10k WSOP was a free roll since it isn't in the record keeping. Sounds like a few PA members had to take a hit on that one since they decided to buy a piece of you. Maybe the worst investment of 2015 for those members.
Vic,

Here is your profit/loss statement from DerbyWars for 2015:

Name

2015 Total Deposits $23,742

2015 Total Withdrawals $32,190

2015 Win/Loss $8,448

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Best Regards,

DerbyWars Support Team

Doesn't include a very good showing in a live money tournament at Del Mar.

Losses at Horse Tourney's and on TVG tempered the bottom line a bit.

But overall 2015 was nicely in the plus.

OH One other thing I won $46,000 over a 4 day period playing Sam Houston and some other track where the pools couldn't possibly have yielded that kind of profit.

I can show my ADW slips. I won't but I can. I'll be busy telling the mainliners at AQU which races are fixed by the Ortiz Brothers.

Finally, Please don't ever ask me to handicap a race or give a release BEFORE a race is run. Or ever play a matchup with EMD even though I agreed to 6 months ago.

[ReplayRandall]

I guess the 10k WSOP was a free roll since it isn't in the record keeping. Sounds like a few PA members had to take a hit on that one since they decided to buy a piece of you. Maybe the worst investment of 2015 for those members.

Hey JimmyQ, go back and read post #33, then give it a rest and go to bed... :sleeping: :sleeping:

[JimmyQ]

Hey JimmyQ, go back and read post #33, then give it a rest and go to bed... :sleeping: :sleeping:
Simply stating the facts Randall

JimmyQ

[NJ Stinks]

Got back 80 cents on the dollar in 2015. No good for sure.

Main handicaps are lack of preparation on too many days and lack of willpower to pass.

[shouldacoulda]

I broke even. Didn't play one race.