Bernie Sanders

[magwell]

Hard to believe this guy is giving the HAG a run for the nomination like he has done so far, SMH .....;)

[Racey]

he will have no chance at the nomination no matter how awful she is....The Clinton machine gets down south and that spells doom for Bernie.....and yea she is the very worst.

[DRIVEWAY]

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Bernie stays in primaries till the bitter end consuming her war chest. Then he runs on another ticket draining some of her normal support and ensuring her defeat.

The Clintons need to make a deal with Bernie and garner his full support to avoid an independent run as a socialist. At 74, Bernie has no future in Presidential politics. It's now or never,

[barahona44]

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Bernie stays in primaries till the bitter end consuming her war chest. Then he runs on another ticket draining some of her normal support and ensuring her defeat.

The Clintons need to make a deal with Bernie and garner his full support to avoid an independent run as a socialist. At 74, Bernie has no future in Presidential politics. It's now or never,
To support your 3rd party run theory, The Sandman has always run as an independent, in fact he is the longest serving independent in the Senate and Congress overall in history.He only registered as a Democrat a couple of years ago, thus he has limited historical ties to the party.

[NJ Stinks]

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Bernie stays in primaries till the bitter end consuming her war chest. Then he runs on another ticket draining some of her normal support and ensuring her defeat.

The Clintons need to make a deal with Bernie and garner his full support to avoid an independent run as a socialist. At 74, Bernie has no future in Presidential politics. It's now or never,

Hillary doesn't have to make a deal with Bernie. No doubt he believes Hillary is a better option than anybody running in the GOP so he is not going to risk splitting votes on the Dem side. After all, Sanders got into this running for president because he wanted to move Hillary to the left.

Of course, if the DNC screws Bernie out of the nomination rather than the voters, there is no telling what he may do.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/parties/democrat

Currently has a 431 to 52 lead over Sanders, with 2382 needed to secure the nomination.

Personally, I'm guessing that Hillary will be forced to drop out with health issues, once the Dems figure out she can't beat a Republican in the general election OR if the FBI brings charges for her email bungling.

And since the Dems figure the country isn't quite ready for Bernie, that's when Uncle Joe Biden comes riding in on a white horse to save the day. He's too likable to lose to the Republican riff-raff.

[lamboguy]

i don't know if Bernie wins the nomination, what i do know is it won't be Hillary. she is completely dead meat that everyone lined up to bet on.

my money is on the republicans for the presidency plus $115, i would love to see Hillary only because she will be a piece of cake to beat. plus i am rooting for Trump with the hope that he does something to get us back on track

[betovernetcapper]

If Sanders wins, Bloomberg says he'll run as a 3rd party candidate. This will have the effect of splitting the Democrat vote, guaranteeing a Republican victory.

I'm a Libertarian/Republican and yet I find a few things to like about Sanders

1.) He's the only candidate with the balls to call for legalization of marijuana

2.) He has some respect for the 2nd Amendment

3.) While I don't agree with him on most things, I still find him trustworthy.
Many of the others would eat their young to win. :)

[Inner Dirt]

If Sanders wins, Bloomberg says he'll run as a 3rd party candidate. This will have the effect of splitting the Democrat vote, guaranteeing a Republican victory.

I'm a Libertarian/Republican and yet I find a few things to like about Sanders

1.) He's the only candidate with the balls to call for legalization of marijuana

2.) He has some respect for the 2nd Amendment

3.) While I don't agree with him on most things, I still find him trustworthy.
Many of the others would eat their young to win. :)

i have only voted for a Democrat twice in my life and never for President, but I agree with Item 1 thru 3.

[dartman51]

Sanders could sweep the primaries, and he still will not get the nomination. The Democrat party won't let him. They have the delegate situation set up for who THEY want to win. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH, yet. she got 15 delegates, and Bernie got 13. If I was STILL a Democrat, I would be pissed as hell. With them, the voters don't matter. That's why I'm an Independant, and will remain so. :mad:

[Clocker]

Sanders could sweep the primaries, and he still will not get the nomination. The Democrat party won't let him. They have the delegate situation set up for who THEY want to win.

The nominating process of the Democratic Party reflects their governing philosophy. The commoners aren't smart enough to make their own decisions, so they need assistance from the party elite to manage their choices and their lives.

We are the Democratic Super Delegates and we are here to help you. :rolleyes:

[classhandicapper]

Sanders could sweep the primaries, and he still will not get the nomination. The Democrat party won't let him. They have the delegate situation set up for who THEY want to win. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH, yet. she got 15 delegates, and Bernie got 13. If I was STILL a Democrat, I would be pissed as hell. With them, the voters don't matter. That's why I'm an Independant, and will remain so. :mad:

If they think it's a good idea for people with psychiatric problems or dementia to vote, if they pay homeless people with liquor and cigarettes to vote, if they open the borders to criminals, terrorists, and people that will drain an already bankrupt social safety system so they can eventually vote, if they've been caught casting votes for dead people, do you really think they are giving much thought to whether they are stealing the election from Bernie?

[azeri98]

Sanders could sweep the primaries, and he still will not get the nomination. The Democrat party won't let him. They have the delegate situation set up for who THEY want to win. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH, yet. she got 15 delegates, and Bernie got 13. If I was STILL a Democrat, I would be pissed as hell. With them, the voters don't matter. That's why I'm an Independant, and will remain so. :mad:
Same with the Republicans, they won't let Trump win.

[zico20]

Just finished watching the first hour of the Democratic debate. Bernie is hammering the rich, if he becomes president their will be no rich people left. He has proposed every tax under the sun for the rich. Bernie is proposing all these new entitlements for the "less fortunate."

I feel sorry for Hillary, she is trying to act like a socialist to counteract all of Bernies giveaways. You can tell by just watching her body language that she doesn't believe half the stuff she says. But if she doesn't say it, her candidacy is doomed. Whoever offers the most freebies wins on the Democratic side.

Bernie just said that there is no areas of the government that should be reduced except waste.

[Tom]

If they think it's a good idea for people with psychiatric problems or dementia to vote....

They allow them hold office, so why not? :lol:

Seriously, Bernie might be "found in a park" if he keeps winning.

[zico20]

Here is an amazing quote from Sanders.

“Absolutely," Sanders replied, "because what we will do is instead of give tax breaks to millionaires, we will create millions of jobs for low-income kids so they are not hanging out on street corners."

Now, I have two questions that I would like someone to answer for me.

First, are middle class kids not eligible for these jobs? How is it determined who is low-income for these millions of jobs? And if the kids are low-income, are they still eligible for these jobs if they don't hang out on the street corner. :D

Second, are only kids eligible for the jobs? What if a 50 year old needs a job. Is he not allowed to apply. I believe it is illegal to discriminate based on age.

Bernie, you have a lot of explaining to do on this one. Bernie has me confused on all of these millions of jobs. Also, are they government jobs since he used the term "we," or are they private sector jobs.

[rastajenk]

I didn't watch last night, but he said something similar Tuesday night. He said we have the highest rates of incarceration in the First World, especially blacks and Latinos, and he was going to do something about that. I thought, How, are you just going to give them a free pass when they commit a crime? No, he went on to say, we're going to give them $15/hour jobs. That's all it takes. He said nothing about changing their culture that glamorizes the criminal element and devalues education and productivity. Not much different than the blond bimbo from the State Dept saying that Muslims become terrorists because they don't have enough jobs. Both completely miss the mark.

Also, he said he was going to pay for all his free stuff with punitive taxes on Wall St greed. So my question is, after the punitive taxes do their thing and curb Wall St greed, then where will the revenue come from?

[barahona44]

I didn't watch last night, but he said something similar Tuesday night. He said we have the highest rates of incarceration in the First World, especially blacks and Latinos, and he was going to do something about that. I thought, How, are you just going to give them a free pass when they commit a crime? No, he went on to say, we're going to give them $15/hour jobs. That's all it takes. He said nothing about changing their culture that glamorizes the criminal element and devalues education and productivity. Not much different than the blond bimbo from the State Dept saying that Muslims become terrorists because they don't have enough jobs. Both completely miss the mark.

Also, he said he was going to pay for all his free stuff with punitive taxes on Wall St greed. So my question is, after the punitive taxes do their thing and curb Wall St greed, then where will the revenue come from?
On the money with change :ThmbUp:

As Sanders gets more attention as Flavor of the Month, his programs are going to come under a lot of scrutiny and found wanting.
Who hijacked my Democratic Party? There seems to be only about 5 old school centrist Dems left.

[Inner Dirt]

I didn't watch last night, but he said something similar Tuesday night. He said we have the highest rates of incarceration in the First World, especially blacks and Latinos, and he was going to do something about that. I thought, How, are you just going to give them a free pass when they commit a crime? No, he went on to say, we're going to give them $15/hour jobs. That's all it takes. He said nothing about changing their culture that glamorizes the criminal element and devalues education and productivity. Not much different than the blond bimbo from the State Dept saying that Muslims become terrorists because they don't have enough jobs. Both completely miss the mark.

Also, he said he was going to pay for all his free stuff with punitive taxes on Wall St greed. So my question is, after the punitive taxes do their thing and curb Wall St greed, then where will the revenue come from?

There are a lot of white kids that look up to gangster rappers and are proud of the crimes they commit. I have a 21 year old ginger nephew who lived with me a couple times who I tried to help.The only knowledge he retains is the criminal records of all the Rappers he listens to. As an example he was kicked out of High School for assaulting a 65 year old female teacher, of course nothing is ever Noah's fault she made him mad. He brags about the crimes he commits, finally he is doing 2-5 years for domestic assault, it appears (I was just reading about his case I no longer have contact) he was choking the mother of his child. I think it is good for society if he ends up killed by police, the USA will be a safer place. I don't know the answer for our high incarceration rates, but it isn't letting repeat criminals out of jail.

[PaceAdvantage]

Same with the Republicans, they won't let Trump win.Not quite...Democratic superdelegates have twice the impact that Republican superdelegates do in their respective races...

[highnote]

Hillary doesn't have to make a deal with Bernie. No doubt he believes Hillary is a better option than anybody running in the GOP so he is not going to risk splitting votes on the Dem side. After all, Sanders got into this running for president because he wanted to move Hillary to the left.

Of course, if the DNC screws Bernie out of the nomination rather than the voters, there is no telling what he may do.


Bloomberg is getting into the race and could have an impact on the outcome.

Should Sanders lose the dem nomination, he could run as an independent and really make things interesting.

[PaceAdvantage]

Why in the world would Bloomberg get into the race? Who exactly has been clamoring and pining for that moment when Mike Bloomberg finally decides to run for president?

Does he honestly think he's going to be more popular than Cruz or Rubio? He's most likely to be down there with the now departed Christie and Fiorina...makes no sense.

[highnote]

Why in the world would Bloomberg get into the race? Who exactly has been clamoring and pining for that moment when Mike Bloomberg finally decides to run for president?

Does he honestly think he's going to be more popular than Cruz or Rubio? He's most likely to be down there with the now departed Christie and Fiorina...makes no sense.


I suppose billionaires have big egos and think they can solve problems professional politicians can't.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/08/michael-bloomberg-tells-ft-hes-considering-presidential-run.html

"I find the level of discourse and discussion distressingly banal and an outrage and an insult to the voters," Mr Bloomberg said in an interview, before adding that the US public deserved "a lot better".

His comments follow a New York Times report last month that said the billionaire had told advisers to draft a plan for a run as an independent candidate that could see him spending as much as $1bn of his estimated $39bn fortune.

[PaceAdvantage]

You know who's spending boatloads of cash too? Jeb Bush... :lol:

It used to be, the most well funded and those that spend the most won.

That doesn't quite seem to be the case this time around, so far. So ol' Mikey spending boatloads of his own cash doesn't mean much to me.

[bks]

A Bloomberg candidacy is laughable. Never will he hit 10%, as either an independent or a party politician. It's a sure sign how terrified the establishment is getting that names like Bloomberg's are trotted out as saviors.

It's very clear how things are shaping up: Trump and Cruz are heavy favorites (2/3 chance one of them is the nominee). Trump is benefiting from the large number of 'establishment' types still hanging around (if i were him, I'd fund their campaigns, since they can't win and they are helping to suppress the Rubio vote).

Sanders has a very big shot (35% or so) to derail Hillary. They've underestimated his appeal, and from the comments here it's evident most of you red-staters have a poor understanding of the dynamics bolstering his campaign. That's fine with me: I'm left of Sanders and don't even really like him, but he's vastly superior to Hillary and any of the assclowncar types on the right you're pining for (all of which have no shot in the general election, with the reptilian Cruz at the top of that list).

rastajenk talks of the "glamorizing of the criminal element" in minority culture. What he fails to say, of course, is that the largest, most effective, and most ruinous criminal class in this society is virtually 100% white. They "work" (if you can call it that) on Wall Street and on K Street to defraud the public, which IS THEIR JOB, and then cry poor afterwards and raid the Treasury for a bailout when they crash the market/economy. That's the business model.

What productivity! I'm so envious of their industriousness! ;)

Instead of the culture of corporate fraud that's gutted the society, the right wants me to be concerned with some out of work minority who's been completely disenfranchised brandishing a knife and stealing $20 to feed his kids?

No one is buying it anymore. Occupy Wall Street was 4 years ago already. Everyone understands who the true criminals are, and pretty much everyone under 30 years old understands what has to be done with them. Everyone except the geriatrics and delusionalists on the right wing, that is.

If you're a conservative, you better hope Hillary gets the nomination. She'll crush any republican nominee, of course, but since she's a closet republican at least you'll have 8 more years of disguised rule. Because whether it's this campaign of the next, you're getting a hard left-winger very, very soon.

You'll be praying for Sanders (or Hillary) when you do.

[PaceAdvantage]

The above should have been posted in the Humor thread.

[rastajenk]

Except I forgot to laugh. :D

[Clocker]

Not quite...Democratic superdelegates have twice the impact that Republican superdelegates do in their respective races...

Debbie Waterhead-Schultz explains why the Dems have so many super delegates. She calls them unpledged delegates because that doesn't sound as elitist.

Unpledged delegates exist, really, to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grassroots activists. We are, as a Democratic Party, really highlight and emphasize inclusiveness and diversity at our convention and we want to give every opportunity to grassroots activists and diverse committed Democrats to be able to participate, attend and be a delegate at the convention and so we separate out those unpledged delegates to make sure that there isn’t competition between them.

In English, the Dems want to encourage diversity and grassroots activists at their convention, but they want to make sure that those annoying little common folk don't actually have a chance to affect the outcome.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/12/jake-tappers-interview-with-the-dnc-chair-on-superdelegates-and-the-train-wreck-that-followed/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/12/jake-tappers-interview-with-the-dnc-chair-on-superdelegates-and-the-train-wreck-that-followed/)

[PaceAdvantage]

So really, when they say Democrats are the party of the big tent, what they really mean is the tent out back by the porta-potty...

[barahona44]

A Bloomberg candidacy is laughable. Never will he hit 10%, as either an independent or a party politician. It's a sure sign how terrified the establishment is getting that names like Bloomberg's are trotted out as saviors.

It's very clear how things are shaping up: Trump and Cruz are heavy favorites (2/3 chance one of them is the nominee). Trump is benefiting from the large number of 'establishment' types still hanging around (if i were him, I'd fund their campaigns, since they can't win and they are helping to suppress the Rubio vote).

Sanders has a very big shot (35% or so) to derail Hillary. They've underestimated his appeal, and from the comments here it's evident most of you red-staters have a poor understanding of the dynamics bolstering his campaign. That's fine with me: I'm left of Sanders and don't even really like him, but he's vastly superior to Hillary and any of the assclowncar types on the right you're pining for (all of which have no shot in the general election, with the reptilian Cruz at the top of that list).

rastajenk talks of the "glamorizing of the criminal element" in minority culture. What he fails to say, of course, is that the largest, most effective, and most ruinous criminal class in this society is virtually 100% white. They "work" (if you can call it that) on Wall Street and on K Street to defraud the public, which IS THEIR JOB, and then cry poor afterwards and raid the Treasury for a bailout when they crash the market/economy. That's the business model.

What productivity! I'm so envious of their industriousness! ;)

Instead of the culture of corporate fraud that's gutted the society, the right wants me to be concerned with some out of work minority who's been completely disenfranchised brandishing a knife and stealing $20 to feed his kids?

No one is buying it anymore. Occupy Wall Street was 4 years ago already. Everyone understands who the true criminals are, and pretty much everyone under 30 years old understands what has to be done with them. Everyone except the geriatrics and delusionalists on the right wing, that is.

If you're a conservative, you better hope Hillary gets the nomination. She'll crush any republican nominee, of course, but since she's a closet republican at least you'll have 8 more years of disguised rule. Because whether it's this campaign of the next, you're getting a hard left-winger very, very soon.

You'll be praying for Sanders (or Hillary) when you do :) .
This guy makes Mostpost sound like Ted Cruz. :)

[OntheRail]

the right wants me to be concerned with some out of work minority who's been completely disenfranchised brandishing a knife and stealing $20 to feed his kids?

Is this the same disenfranchised youth sportin' 6 grand of tattoos, has 10 grand of rims and wheels on his Capri, $600.00 sneakers. Six kids with four different Mama's getting a check from Uncle Sugar. Robbing Edgar of $20 to feed his Kids. :rolleyes:

There are so many programs if you are a minority to get a hand up or a hand out. Many don't want to work even at 15 and hour. There is no longer any Pride in making it thru hard work... that's for suckers. That's why Bernie rings the bell for these leaches that want the brass ring handed to them on a Gold Platter.

As for Hillary.. she would Peg the Country while Bill pranced around in chaps.

[PaceAdvantage]

There is no longer any Pride in making it thru hard work... that's for suckers.This is a common theme in hip-hop music. I should know...I love that stuff...

[Saratoga_Mike]

There are so many programs if you are a minority to get a hand up or a hand out. Many don't want to work even at 15 and hour. There is no longer any Pride in making it thru hard work... that's for suckers.

The fear of hard work isn't a black/white thing. It's an age thing. With few exceptions, the work ethic of the current-under-30 generation just isn't that great, which explains why the under 30 crowd now favors socialism over capitalism by about 10 percentage points (poll out on that yesterday).

[PaceAdvantage]

The fear of hard work isn't a black/white thing. It's an age thing. With few exceptions, the work ethic of the current-under-30 generation just isn't that great, which explains why the under 30 crowd now favors socialism over capitalism by about 10 percentage points (poll out on that yesterday).Then I can only say that we (the collective we) as parents have failed....miserably...

Luckily, I am not a parent, so you can't blame me for this one...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by bks
the right wants me to be concerned with some out of work minority who's been completely disenfranchised brandishing a knife and stealing $20 to feed his kids? I'm more concerned with the poor working slob trying to feed his kids he steals from.

[classhandicapper]

which explains why the under 30 crowd now favors socialism over capitalism by about 10 percentage points (poll out on that yesterday).

I guess they weren't kidding when they were talking about a heroin crisis among our youth during the debate. :rolleyes:

[thaskalos]

A Bloomberg candidacy is laughable. Never will he hit 10%, as either an independent or a party politician. It's a sure sign how terrified the establishment is getting that names like Bloomberg's are trotted out as saviors.

It's very clear how things are shaping up: Trump and Cruz are heavy favorites (2/3 chance one of them is the nominee). Trump is benefiting from the large number of 'establishment' types still hanging around (if i were him, I'd fund their campaigns, since they can't win and they are helping to suppress the Rubio vote).

Sanders has a very big shot (35% or so) to derail Hillary. They've underestimated his appeal, and from the comments here it's evident most of you red-staters have a poor understanding of the dynamics bolstering his campaign. That's fine with me: I'm left of Sanders and don't even really like him, but he's vastly superior to Hillary and any of the assclowncar types on the right you're pining for (all of which have no shot in the general election, with the reptilian Cruz at the top of that list).

rastajenk talks of the "glamorizing of the criminal element" in minority culture. What he fails to say, of course, is that the largest, most effective, and most ruinous criminal class in this society is virtually 100% white. They "work" (if you can call it that) on Wall Street and on K Street to defraud the public, which IS THEIR JOB, and then cry poor afterwards and raid the Treasury for a bailout when they crash the market/economy. That's the business model.

What productivity! I'm so envious of their industriousness! ;)

Instead of the culture of corporate fraud that's gutted the society, the right wants me to be concerned with some out of work minority who's been completely disenfranchised brandishing a knife and stealing $20 to feed his kids?

No one is buying it anymore. Occupy Wall Street was 4 years ago already. Everyone understands who the true criminals are, and pretty much everyone under 30 years old understands what has to be done with them. Everyone except the geriatrics and delusionalists on the right wing, that is.

If you're a conservative, you better hope Hillary gets the nomination. She'll crush any republican nominee, of course, but since she's a closet republican at least you'll have 8 more years of disguised rule. Because whether it's this campaign of the next, you're getting a hard left-winger very, very soon.

You'll be praying for Sanders (or Hillary) when you do.

Where is the applause emoticon, now that I need it?

And, why isn't this man posting more often than he currently is? :ThmbUp:

[PaceAdvantage]

If I'm Andy's online attorney, you can be bks' online applause emoticon.

Problem solved.

[thaskalos]

If I'm Andy's online attorney, you can be bks' online applause emoticon.

Problem solved.

I have no problem stating openly that I am bks's #1 fan here. And if he ever decided to write a book...I would walk through a snow storm to acquire a copy.

His integrity is UNMATCHED...as far as I am concerned. Never has an online poster ever made the impression on me that bks has made. In fact...a post of his about his country of origin sits framed on my desk...as an indication of what integrity is all about. :ThmbUp:

[Clocker]

Then I can only say that we (the collective we) as parents have failed....miserably...

Luckily, I am not a parent, so you can't blame me for this one...

Me too neither, but I have seen it widely in friends and family. It really is the trophy generation, where everyone gets a reward for just showing up.

I remember my brother and his wife talking about their kid after they had checked her homework. She had done it wrong, and they were discussing whether or not to tell her that, because telling her that she did it wrong would be so traumatic. :eek:

[PaceAdvantage]

I have no problem stating openly that I am bks's #1 fan here. And if he ever decided to write a book...I would walk through a snow storm to acquire a copy.

His integrity is UNMATCHED...as far as I am concerned. Never has an online poster ever made the impression on me that bks has made. In fact...a post of his about his country of origin sits framed on my desk...as an indication of what integrity is all about. :ThmbUp:Ok brutha...I'll quietly back away so as not to disturb you any further...

[Saratoga_Mike]

I have no problem stating openly that I am bks's #1 fan here. And if he ever decided to write a book...I would walk through a snow storm to acquire a copy.

His integrity is UNMATCHED...as far as I am concerned. Never has an online poster ever made the impression on me that bks has made. In fact...a post of his about his country of origin sits framed on my desk...as an indication of what integrity is all about. :ThmbUp:

Have you read TrifectaMike?

[thaskalos]

Ok brutha...I'll quietly back away so as not to disturb you any further...

Disturb me?

I haven't posted in the off-topics for days...and I have totally ignored this thread until today.

Is there a problem with my posts here that you want to expand on? Otherwise...why do I deserve the privilege of attracting your comment?

[highnote]

Me too neither, but I have seen it widely in friends and family. It really is the trophy generation, where everyone gets a reward for just showing up.

I remember my brother and his wife talking about their kid after they had checked her homework. She had done it wrong, and they were discussing whether or not to tell her that, because telling her that she did it wrong would be so traumatic. :eek:

These are not your father's kids. ;)

[PaceAdvantage]

Disturb me?

I haven't posted in the off-topics for days...and I have totally ignored this thread until today.

Is there a problem with my posts here that you want to expand on? Otherwise...why do I deserve the privilege of attracting your comment?Yes, as in not disturb your little love-in with bks. I'll leave you two alone to admire each other.

And as for your other question, as I've done almost every day for the past 17+ years, I'll continue to comment wherever and whenever I like. If you don't want comments, use private message or email.

Your problem (and it's one shared by many on here), is that you can't distinguish between the "regular guy PA" and the "admin PA."

I'll give you a hint...admin PA rarely comes out into the daylight...99% of the time what you're reading is coming from "regular guy PA."

Once you learn that, you'll have less of a problem with me and simply treat me as you would anyone else on here.

[Clocker]

These are not your father's kids. ;)

My brother, who is deadly afraid of traumatizing his kids by telling them no, is. And he has never had an unsure thought about politics in his life. Just vote the straight Democratic ticket and you are done.

[thaskalos]

Yes, as in not disturb your little love-in with bks. I'll leave you two alone to admire each other.

And as for your other question, as I've done almost every day for the past 17+ years, I'll continue to comment wherever and whenever I like. If you don't want comments, use private message or email.

Your problem (and it's one shared by many on here), is that you can't distinguish between the "regular guy PA" and the "admin PA."

I'll give you a hint...admin PA rarely comes out into the daylight...99% of the time what you're reading is coming from "regular guy PA."

Once you learn that, you'll have less of a problem with me and simply treat me as you would anyone else on here.
You can comment whenever and wherever you like...and I can have a love-in with whomever I like...without needing your approval. I submitted an initial post here, in support of something that bks had written...and you chose to reply to it in a particular way. My post wasn't directed towards you...and it wasn't antagonistic in any way. So...why did it attract your snide reply?

[PaceAdvantage]

Basically, all I said to you originally and in a nutshell is --> I won't continue further commenting about your high praise for bks and his comments.

I thought it was pretty harmless, pretty neutral...and...considering how it appears you don't like me very much these days, I thought you'd be happy reading that I planned on shutting up for a change.

I think you seriously misread me there...saying I am going to back away quietly so not to disturb you does not mean I'm being critical of you...it means I'm gonna leave you be because I have nothing to add.

So much for that plan.

[AndyC]

I have no problem stating openly that I am bks's #1 fan here. And if he ever decided to write a book...I would walk through a snow storm to acquire a copy.

His integrity is UNMATCHED...as far as I am concerned. Never has an online poster ever made the impression on me that bks has made. In fact...a post of his about his country of origin sits framed on my desk...as an indication of what integrity is all about. :ThmbUp:

If he ever decided to write a book you would find it in the fiction section.

I don't know about his integrity but his knowledge of Wall Street approached ignoramus status. I am sure that there are crooks on Wall Street just as there in every occupation. To say that a person's job is to cheat is nonsense.

[thaskalos]

If I'm Andy's online attorney, you can be bks' online applause emoticon.

Problem solved.

Nice try...but THIS is the post of yours that I was talking about. I find it inappropriate for TWO reasons.

A) It wasn't I who called you "Andy's online attorney"...and I have never done such a thing. If I had said such a thing...then I could have expected such a reply from you. But as it stands...such a comment should not be directed at me.

And B) The Andy conversation took place in the horse racing forum. And, if you really were the "Regular Guy PA" that you say you are...then you would know that your twin brother, the Administrator PA, strongly discourages the intermixing of topics between the racing and the off-topic forums. Whenever Administrator PA sees that a topic from the racing forum is carried into the off-topics (and vice versa) he pounds his heavy hand on the table and says that such behavior is not tolerated here. So...when YOU do it...are you really the "Regular Guy PA"...or the "Administrator PA"...who is showing us that he can get away with something that we ourselves can't get away with here?

Yes...it does appear as if a certain dislike pervades between us. It doesn't bother me...and I hope you feel the same.

[PaceAdvantage]

Doesn't bother me either. Although I don't dislike you...that might be the difference.

Anyway...

Bringing horse racing into off-topic is perfectly fine...it's the other way around that is no bueno...(this was admin PA talking).

AND...as for the "I'll be the attorney and you be the emoticon" thing, that was me trying for some humor. Guess that was an epic fail. I never meant to imply that you called me Andy's attorney...it was simply a joke because you were looking for the applause emoticon...

Anyway...like I said before, this has been nothing but a miscommunication. And really, I want to back out quietly!!! :lol:

[thaskalos]

If he ever decided to write a book you would find it in the fiction section.

I don't know about his integrity but his knowledge of Wall Street approached ignoramus status. I am sure that there are crooks on Wall Street just as there in every occupation. To say that a person's job is to cheat is nonsense.

Yes, yes...we know. Poor Wall Street gets such an undeserved bum rap. :rolleyes:

[Saratoga_Mike]

Yes, yes...we know. Poor Wall Street gets such an undeserved bum rap. :rolleyes:

Yeah and every grocer is honest. Wait, wasn't Whole Foods just caught ripping off NYers? By extension, should I consider you dishonest? I don't. Put the broad brush away.

[Tom]

You'll be praying for Sanders (or Hillary) when you do.

Not bloody likely.
Both are worthless.
What you say about Wall Street is partially true at best, but it certainly applies ALL of the Hill in DC. The Clinton machine is a huge part of the problem, more so than any single bank. And Bernie is just a deranged dreamer who talks nonsense with absolutely no way to back up any of his hollow promises. So let's throw in the educational system of the nation who have served up hundreds of thousand of brain-dead imbeciles who buy into his crap.

[thaskalos]

Yeah and every grocer is honest. Wait, wasn't Whole Foods just caught ripping off NYers? By extension, should I consider you dishonest? I don't. Put the broad brush away.

If the grocers were as corrupt as the Wall Street "Wealth Management" companies, then 99% of the grocery stores would be out of business...because they wouldn't be able to afford the fines that the Wall Street companies had to pay to remain in business.

[Saratoga_Mike]

If the grocers were as corrupt as the Wall Street "Wealth Management" companies, then 99% of the grocery stores would be out of business...because they wouldn't be able to afford the fines that the Wall Street companies had to pay to remain in business.

Explain to me how "wealth management" arms of Wall St firms are corrupt. By wealth management, I assume you mean the investment management arms? If you think the fees are too high, buy an index fund. Is there something beyond the fees? Again, please address the "wealth management" arms.

[thaskalos]

Explain to me how "wealth management" arms of Wall St firms are corrupt. By wealth management, I assume you mean the investment management arms? If you think the fees are too high, buy an index fund. Is there something beyond the fees? Again, please address the "wealth management" arms.

There have been regulatory actions taken against these major firms, Mike...where they have had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in fines...and it wasn't because of their excessive fees. Merrill Lynch agreed to pay a $100,000,000 fine in 2002 alone...for "publishing misleading research". Renowned "stock analysts" were caught passing emails to one-another...where they bragged about recommending worthless stock to their gullible clients.

The scandal rocked the entire Street...and these "investment management" companies took to the air-waves...to publicly apologize to their beleaguered clients. Did you miss all that?

[classhandicapper]

What almost everyone fails understand is that it's the libertarian wing of the REPUBLICAN party that is the only political group in American that both agrees with the negative views on Wall St and actually understands how to correct it. The left sees the problem as a matter of corruption and greed. The problem is actually an unsound monetary and banking system that allows corrupt and greedy people to maximize the damage they do. With a sound monetary and banking system (eliminate the Fed and return to hard money), we can still achieve the benefits of free markets but also sharply reduce many of the excesses. If we take the path of left, we'll all go to hell together.

[thaskalos]

Doesn't bother me either. Although I don't dislike you...that might be the difference.


I know. You have a fondness for me...but you just have trouble showing it. :kiss:

No problem, PA. It's a simple personality clash, that's all. Not all of us are meant to get along. All of our problems should be this minor. :ThmbUp:

[Saratoga_Mike]

There have been regulatory actions taken against these major firms, Mike...where they have had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in fines...and it wasn't because of their excessive fees. Merrill Lynch agreed to pay a $100,000,000 fine in 2002 alone...for "publishing misleading research". Renowned "stock analysts" were caught passing emails to one-another...where they bragged about recommending worthless stock to their gullible clients.

The scandal rocked the entire Street...and these "investment management" companies took to the air-waves...to publicly apologize to their beleaguered clients. Did you miss all that?

You're referring to the equity research dept at Merrill, which is part of the capital markets division. Most wouldn't refer to that as "wealth management." That's why I asked the question. I thought you had some insight into the wealth mgt biz.

[thaskalos]

You're referring to the equity research dept at Merrill, which is part of the capital markets division. Most wouldn't refer to that as "wealth management." That's why I asked the question. I thought you had some insight into the wealth mgt biz.

No, Mike...I am not referring only to Merrill Lynch's "equity research dept." The problem is a little more widespread than that:

http://www.forbes.com/2002/10/24/cx_aw_1024fine.html

[Saratoga_Mike]

No, Mike...I am not referring only to Merrill Lynch's "equity research dept." The problem is a little more widespread than that:

http://www.forbes.com/2002/10/24/cx_aw_1024fine.html

First you referenced "wealth management," which has a very specific meaning. Then you gave an example of Merrill's crap research (presumably referring to Blodgett et al), which is part of equity research. Now I guess you're broadening it out, which is fine of course. In any case, I was just curious if you felt aggrieved over a specific issue.

[thaskalos]

First you referenced "wealth management," which has a very specific meaning. Then you gave an example of Merrill's crap research (presumably referring to Blodgett et al), which is part of equity research. Now I guess you're broadening it out, which is fine of course. In any case, I was just curious if you felt aggrieved over a specific issue.

You brought the grocers into it, Mike...and you said that I was painting with a broad brush. I only mentioned the Merrill incident because it was the one that was highly publicized. The truth is that the Wall Street "wealth management" industry is FRAUGHT with impropriety and corruption...but the fines are levied and paid out in relative secrecy...because the "integrity" of Wall Street ties into the financial stability of our country.

I originally said that, if the grocers that you mentioned were as corrupt as these Wall Street firms are...then the grocery stores would be out of business...because they wouldn't be able to afford the fines that these "Wealth Management" firms had to pay to remain in business. I stand by that.

Wall Street is CORRUPT...and the corruption continues as we speak. These fines, huge though they may seem, amount to only a slap on the wrist when compared to the profits generated by these offenders.

[AndyC]

......Wall Street is CORRUPT...and the corruption continues as we speak. These fines, huge though they may seem, amount to only a slap on the wrist when compared to the profits generated by these offenders.

Nonsense. Wall Street is not corrupt but it does have some corrupt people who work there. Wall Street does a great job in facilitating the allocation of capital to keep commerce moving along. It plays a vital role in keeping the US strong. (cue the Star Spangled Banner)
Fines are big because Wall Street deal with a lot of money. It's all relative.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Wall Street is CORRUPT...and the corruption continues as we speak. These fines, huge though they may seem, amount to only a slap on the wrist when compared to the profits generated by these offenders.

You can always vote for Sanders (maybe that's your plan, I have no idea); you may be a good VP choice for him.

[classhandicapper]

Nonsense. Wall Street is not corrupt but it does have some corrupt people who work there.

They are called upper management. ;)

[bks]

AndyC wrote:

I am sure that there are crooks on Wall Street just as there in every occupation. To say that a person's job is to cheat is nonsense.

"I am sure!" Andy, you owe me a cup of coffee and a new computer screen.

You're purposely misstating the facts. It's not that "there are crooks." It's: "the system requires fraud." Everyone is a part of it. Big, big difference.


Just two examples, for those who (unlike you) who may actually not be aware:

1. The ratings agencies fraudulently rated junk securities to be investment grade (AAA in lots of cases) when they knew they were sh*t. Their laughable excuse ("these were just our opinions") is transparently false, since opinions VARY; theirs rarely did. It wasn't that sometimes AAA-grade securities were rated lower and sometimes sh*t-grade securities were rated higher; routinely, it was shit-grade securities were rated higher, because the incentives were to rate them higher. Pension funds, public workers retirement funds, and a host of other investment pools were by rule only able to invest in AAA securities. So Wall Street accommodated them, full in the knowledge they were not AAA-grade vehicles.

Ordinary people lost hundreds of billions. The guilty investment banks should have been broken up, and executives should have been jailed. Instead, $750B in TARP funds were made available to them by BUsh II and then trillions more in loan guarantees, asset backing, QE I, II, III, etc. etc by Obama's Treasury Dept. and the Fed.



2. Wall Street culture doesn't not leave room for integrity in the form of fiduciary responsibility to clients. There's only room for "market making", and damn the human costs. This had been admitted numerous times, famously by Lloyd Blankfein in front of Carl Levin. This isn't one example, it's the business model. From the great leftist Michael Bloomberg's news service:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-04-26/goldman-made-3-7-billion-by-betting-against-own-deals-senator-levin-says

Senator Levin, whose no hero or anything, didn't "say" Goldman bet against their own customers, and in fact designed securities to sell them they wanted to fail. Goldman's internal communications show they did it.

These facts and many others aren't in dispute. Do you trade stocks, Andy? Maybe you have Stockholm syndrome. Or maybe you just are being willfully stupid.

[AndyC]

.....You're purposely misstating the facts. It's not that "there are crooks." It's: "the system requires fraud." Everyone is a part of it. Big, big difference.

Fraud is not a requirement of any system on Wall Street. And no everyone is not a part of it. But there is somebody over by the grassy knoll who wants to get you.

[thaskalos]

Fraud is not a requirement of any system on Wall Street. And no everyone is not a part of it. But there is somebody over by the grassy knoll who wants to get you.
Sharp reply! :ThmbUp:

[OntheRail]

http://americanirony.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/sanders-socialist-math-problem.jpg.

[OntheRail]

https://boudica2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/berniesanders.jpg.

[OntheRail]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5euPLyqn45k/Vq4aPWzvWNI/AAAAAAABba8/HZOgVV9MVIU/bernie%252520sanders%252520commie_thumb%25255B6%25 255D.jpg.

[OntheRail]

http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/BERNIE-SANDERS-COMMIE-JEW.jpg .

[bks]

https://boudica2015.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/berniesanders.jpg.

Fun fact: up until the 1960s, the top marginal tax rate in the US was 90%. Communists like Dwight Eisenhower somehow got through 8 years in the White House without seeing a need to revamp it. Of course, I don't expect the conservative meme patrol to know any history.

It had its merits. It kept the society relatively freer of perverse incentives like those that have metastasized on Wall Street, and lessened the distance between the haves and have-nots. Little point in gifting yourself a $50M bonus you didn't deserve in the first place if you have to cough up $45M of it.

[zico20]

I think Bill O'Reilly reads this forum, particularly my posts. :D His talking points just now blasted Bernie about his taking from the rich. He compared Bernie to Castro and Marx. I have been saying that for days now, he is a communist.

[Clocker]

Fun fact: up until the 1960s, the top marginal tax rate in the US was 90%. Communists like Dwight Eisenhower somehow got through 8 years in the White House without seeing a need to revamp it. Of course, I don't expect the conservative meme patrol to know any history.

And the rich bastages managed to get through the 8 years without ever paying anything close to the nominal tax rate. That's part of history too. :p

[OntheRail]

The Internal Revenue Service reckoned that the effective rate of tax in 1954 for top earners was about 70 percent. Or lower. Marc Linder, a law professor at the University of Iowa, had shown that a more comprehensive interpretation of income that includes capital gains suggests the real effective tax rate for millionaires was 49 percent in 1953. The effective rate dropped throughout the decade, reaching 31 percent by 1960.

And since those times Government Bloat has out paced our earnings by a 1000 fold.

[Tom]

So let me ask you commie wannabees.....what will Bernie do that Obama has FAILED to do for 8 years?

Wall Street does what it does because it has bought and paid for the government. The democrats are in the bag for Wall Street.

But you only blame the republicans?
I say YOU guts are the problem, not wall street.

[zico20]

According to the latest Fox News poll, the communist has taken the lead nationally over Hillary, 47-44. Is this an outlier or legitimate.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/269944-sanders-ahead-of-clinton-in-national-poll

[highnote]

According to the latest Fox News poll, the communist has taken the lead nationally over Hillary, 47-44. Is this an outlier or legitimate.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/269944-sanders-ahead-of-clinton-in-national-poll

As I switch back and forth from CNN and FOX I notice that each network has a consistent bias. CNN tries to say that the republican candidate that is most likely to lose to Hillary is the favorite. While FOX tries to say that Sanders is the favorite because they know he would probably lose to the repub nomination.

So I ignore the polls and focus on the betting markets. Talk is cheap. People who put their money where their mouth is have more incentive to get it right.

The networks pander to their viewers in order to maximize advertising revenue. In other words, they are BIASED!

[lamboguy]

As I switch back and forth from CNN and FOX I notice that each network has a consistent bias. CNN tries to say that the republican candidate that is most likely to lose to Hillary is the favorite. While FOX tries to say that Sanders is the favorite because they know he would probably lose to the repub nomination.

So I ignore the polls and focus on the betting markets. Talk is cheap. People who put their money where their mouth is have more incentive to get it right.

The networks pander to their viewers in order to maximize advertising revenue. In other words, they are BIASED!
:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

i can't get any solid numbers on the nomination. right now the place that i am using for the election, thegreek.com, has the election off the board. it has been off for over a week now.

so far i am down on the republicans +$115. and a small $200 bet on Trump to win the election +$600.

i wonder if i am biased because i bet.

[NJ Stinks]

Not sure why but I get the distinct feeling that most people already think Bernie is finished in the race to the White House. Surely it cannot be just because Hillary won in South Carolina and Nevada after getting thumped in New Hampshire.

I hope Bernie stays competitive in this. Somebody has to remind Hillary what a liberal Democrat looks like.

[Greyfox]

Not sure why but I get the distinct feeling that most people already think Bernie is finished in the race to the White House. Surely it cannot be just because Hillary won in South Carolina and Nevada after getting thumped in New Hampshire.

I hope Bernie stays competitive in this. Somebody has to remind Hillary what a liberal Democrat looks like.

Is "liberal Democrat" newspeak for what we used to call "Communist?"

[NJ Stinks]

Is "liberal Democrat" newspeak for what we used to call "Communist?"

If wanting Medicare for all means Bernie and I are now considered Communists, I can live with that.

[davew]

Not sure why but I get the distinct feeling that most people already think Bernie is finished in the race to the White House. Surely it cannot be just because Hillary won in South Carolina and Nevada after getting thumped in New Hampshire.

I hope Bernie stays competitive in this. Somebody has to remind Hillary what a liberal Democrat looks like.


The DEMs have 'super delegates' who are picked by the party - the party wants Hillary.

[Rookies]

Is "liberal Democrat" newspeak for what we used to call "Communist?"

:rolleyes:

YOU ... not everyone here :lol: ... knows better!

[rastajenk]

Well, for a while there a month ago they were known as social democrats, but apparently that didn't poll well, or focus-group well...

[Rookies]

Well, for a while there a month ago they were known as social democrats, but apparently that didn't poll well, or focus-group well...


Does that term even exist in America? Does anyone run as one? Dunno think so.

Does all over Euro & in Canada.

I'm one of those.

[Clocker]

Not sure why but I get the distinct feeling that most people already think Bernie is finished in the race to the White House. Surely it cannot be just because Hillary won in South Carolina and Nevada after getting thumped in New Hampshire.



After getting "thumped" in NH, Hillary ended up with half of that state's 30 delegates. Bernie won 15 elected delegates in the primary and Hillary won 9. But Hillary got all 6 of the NH Super Delegates.

The latest national unofficial Dem delegate count is Hillary 723, Bernie 158.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+clinton+delegate+count&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=m.09c7w0/D/3/short/m.09c7w0/

[rastajenk]

Does that term even exist in America? Does anyone run as one?Seems to me that was one of the Bernie Backers' first lines of defense: he's not a Socialist, he's a social democrat, with accompanying meme-age and obfuscating hair-splitting, at least according to my facebook friend-based pulse of the times.

[johnhannibalsmith]

...

I hope Bernie stays competitive in this. Somebody has to remind Hillary what a liberal Democrat looks like.

Good for you. I'm no Bernie fan but at least he isn't a bottom feeder worst-of-the-worst Washington elitist pile of puke.

[Tom]

Bern, baby, Bern!

[fast4522]

If wanting Medicare for all means Bernie and I are now considered Communists, I can live with that.

Like it is some big revelation. :lol:

[OntheRail]

NJ Stinks Don't be fooled Bernie's in it for the money... how much has he paid his "wife the Campaign Adviser" out of those 100's of millions he's raked in? I'm sure they're squirreling away a nice chunk for their socialist retreat.

Bernie a fool for OPM. That's Other People's Money :lol:

[kingfin66]

NJ Stinks Don't be fooled Bernie's in it for the money... how much has he paid his "wife the Campaign Adviser" out of those 100's of millions he's raked in? I'm sure they're squirreling away a nice chunk for their socialist retreat.

Bernie a fool for OPM. That's Other People's Money :lol:

If you are going to insinuate things like this, the least you can do is back it up. Not the part about his wife's employment with the campaign, but definitely the allegation that they are essentially stealing money. I am sure that this information is all public record and easily available on the Internet if you really want it. How much would a reasonable salary be for the work she does? Or should she do it for free because he's a socialist? I have heard lots of allegations of ethics issues, fraud and even murder made about one of the Democratic candidates going back for much of my adult like and it is not Bernie.

[OntheRail]

If you are going to insinuate things like this, the least you can do is back it up. Not the part about his wife's employment with the campaign, but definitely the allegation that they are essentially stealing money. I am sure that this information is all public record and easily available on the Internet if you really want it. How much would a reasonable salary be for the work she does? Or should she do it for free because he's a socialist? I have heard lots of allegations of ethics issues, fraud and even murder made about one of the Democratic candidates going back for much of my adult like and it is not Bernie.

Hey I did look... could not find this years disclosures... but...

Sanders was named President of Burlington College, "a tiny, private, progressive (no grades)" Vermont school. The college's "finances took a turn for the worse" under Sanders' leadership, elected officials responded by calling for federal authorities to investigate Jane Sanders for possible federal bank fraud.



The Maplefields owner also criticizes O'Meara Sanders and her daughter, Carina Driscoll, for their paid work, more than a decade ago, on Sanders' reelection campaigns. In addition to the $30,000 O'Meara Sanders made, Driscoll earned $65,002 for her work as campaign manager, fundraiser and database manager during the 2000 and 2004 cycles, the Reformer reported.

Vallee calls the payments "a money-laundering scheme" designed "to take campaign money and put it in your own bank account,"

Perhaps more damaging than the TV ad was a March 2015 story in the Daily Caller, a conservative news outlet, which alleged that O'Meara Sanders "may have defrauded" a state agency when Burlington College borrowed money to finance its expansion. Couched in the conditional, the story questioned the discrepancy between the $2.6 million the college listed in pledged donations in its December 2010 loan application and the $1.3 million it listed in an audit the following summer.

The allegation, bolstered by attorney and Fox News talking head Jonna Spilbor, was that O'Meara Sanders cooked the books in order to satisfy a loan requirement that Burlington College show at least $2.27 million in pledged contributions.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/26/exclusive-bernie-sanders-wife-may-have-defrauded-state-agency-bank/



;)

[Racetrack Playa]

that's the Garbage lol

[zico20]

Sanders tax plan will steal 40 TRILLION over the next 20 years for the government. Can anyone on here please tell me why you support Sanders over Clinton. The man wants all of your money. He is a communist. He is one of the most dangerous men in the country and should be stopped at all cost. Thank God Hillary will end this mans lust to steal everything you own.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/271803-analysis-sanderss-tax-plan-would-raise-153-trillion

[fast4522]

Sanders tax plan will steal 40 TRILLION over the next 20 years for the government. Can anyone on here please tell me why you support Sanders over Clinton. The man wants all of your money. He is a communist. He is one of the most dangerous men in the country and should be stopped at all cost. Thank God Hillary will end this mans lust to steal everything you own.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/271803-analysis-sanderss-tax-plan-would-raise-153-trillion

They both are, the 74 year old is harmless because he never killed anyone.

[betovernetcapper]

They each want to steal our money. They're running as Democrats.

Bernie doesn't seem Hell bent on stealing our guns, where Hillary won't be satisfied until our gun policy mirrors the UK or China.

Bernie has called for the legalization of marijuana. If we're going to have a Democrat in the White House, we're likely to lose the Senate. If this is the case we might as well be stoned for four years. I think with a high enough THC level, I won't notice the nation spiraling into the sewer.

[horses4courses]

I'm detecting a bunch of nervous conservatives...... :lol:

[Tom]

Nervous?
No.

Repulsed, disgusted?
For sure.

The old man is a joke, but the old hag is a serial murdered and human garbage. That anyone could look past here obvious diseased mind is beyond me.

[Rookies]

Bernie- line of last night:

"We are, if elected President, going to invest a lot of money into mental health and when you watch these Republican debates, you know why!" :lol:

[woodtoo]

Now Im feeling the Bern! :D

[PaceAdvantage]

Bernie- line of last night:

"We are, if elected President, going to invest a lot of money into mental health and when you watch these Republican debates, you know why!" :lol:Sayeth the guy who thinks he can give away the store and steal from the poor slob customers to pay for it as they walk out the store?

Who really is the insane one?

[bks]

Sayeth the guy who thinks he can give away the store and steal from the poor slob customers to pay for it as they walk out the store?

Who really is the insane one?

You're utterly lost on this subject. Tax isn't theft - it's the foundation of an society in which everyone is accorded basic dignity. I make plenty of money, and I'm very, very glad to see a percentage of it go to those who are needy.

Running a business is a privilege, not a right. You pay for the privilege, or you don't deserve the privilege.

Sanders is the only honest (ish) politician. When asked a question about gun manufacturer liability, he gave the right answer even though it doesn't play to his party's base. The NRA supported him, and Clinton's team of course tried to ridicule him for his position. I'm left of Sanders and he was absolutely right in what he was saying.

[PaceAdvantage]

If you're left of Sanders, then nothing I say is going to make a difference.

[davew]

You're utterly lost on this subject. Tax isn't theft - it's the foundation of an society in which everyone is accorded basic dignity. I make plenty of money, and I'm very, very glad to see a percentage of it go to those who are needy.

Running a business is a privilege, not a right. You pay for the privilege, or you don't deserve the privilege.

Sanders is the only honest (ish) politician. When asked a question about gun manufacturer liability, he gave the right answer even though it doesn't play to his party's base. The NRA supported him, and Clinton's team of course tried to ridicule him for his position. I'm left of Sanders and he was absolutely right in what he was saying.

Maybe Sanders will have some sort of requirements for potential business operators, and then reimburse the business operators $20 per hour for all employees that are getting his new minimum wage. And also a government backed insurance plan to cover all business losses during the first 3 years of operation would be nice.

[zico20]

You're utterly lost on this subject. Tax isn't theft - it's the foundation of an society in which everyone is accorded basic dignity. I make plenty of money, and I'm very, very glad to see a percentage of it go to those who are needy.

Running a business is a privilege, not a right. You pay for the privilege, or you don't deserve the privilege.

Sanders is the only honest (ish) politician. When asked a question about gun manufacturer liability, he gave the right answer even though it doesn't play to his party's base. The NRA supported him, and Clinton's team of course tried to ridicule him for his position. I'm left of Sanders and he was absolutely right in what he was saying.

Can we then assume that your idols are Marx and Lenin. How's Fidel doing, and have you talked to him recently.

[bks]

Can we then assume that your idols are Marx and Lenin. How's Fidel doing, and have you talked to him recently.

I'd take Jill Stein. Fidel's OK, but lost a bit on his fastball.

[barahona44]

I'd take Jill Stein. Fidel's OK, but lost a bit on his fastball.
Ah, Jill, she ran for governor of my lovely and well meaning, but occasionally misguided, home state, and managed to grab about 1% of the vote.I'm pretty sure her supporters, if she gets the Green Party Presidential nomination again,won't have to worry about booking rooms for the Inauguration next January.

[Rookies]

Most people on the right here, believe Sanders to be a Commie, with his policy proposals. This is only because of the American frame of reference, that has rarely passed any legislation of a left wing nature. Forget about comparing Bernie to the Social Democracies of Scandinavia, what about a compare and contrast versus a mildly left leaning country like Canada?

One was done 2 months back, as follows, in the Toronto Star:

"Health

•Create single-payer health system.
In Canada: The status quo for 50 years. Every major Canadian party professes support for universal, government-run medicare.

Taxes

•Income-tax hikes. To pay for his health plan, he proposes a 6.2-per-cent premium on employers, a 2.2-per-cent tax on income. People earning more than $250,000 would get progressively higher increases, topping out at a 13-per-cent hike for incomes above $10 million. Sanders insists employers and taxpayers would come out ahead — by saving on insurance.
In Canada: This would feel familiar. The increases would bring U.S. taxes closer to the northern neighbour’s — perhaps higher in some cases, depending on the state and province, the tax bracket and how much of the employer premium gets passed on to workers.

•Higher estate taxes. In the U.S., inheritance below $5.4 million is federally exempt. Sanders wants the threshold lowered to $3.5 million.
In Canada: Inheritance from a parent is generally subject to capital gains, which redistributes wealth from one generation to the next.

Poverty
•Boost the minimum wage. It’s currently $7.25 federally in the U.S. Sanders wants to make it $15.
In Canada: This would be dramatic too. Even in Canadian dollars, $15 would be almost one-third higher than the highest provincial minimum wage.

Infrastructure
•A major spending boost. Sanders wants $1 trillion for improved roads, bridges and transit over a five-year time frame.
In Canada: This would be a sizable increase. The Liberals have promised to spend C$125 billion over 10 years. The previous Conservative government spent $33 billion starting in 2007, and had another program underway.

Trade
•Cancel trade deals, notably NAFTA. Sanders has advocated this position for decades.
In Canada: This would leave Sanders to the left of any major party, none of which has proposed NAFTA’s cancellation. Canada and its politicians are generally more supportive of them than their American neighbours.

Education
•Free tuition at public colleges.
In Canada: A big change. Canadian post-secondary institutions charge tuition — albeit generally waaaaaaaay lower/ a fraction of what it is in the U.S.

Family policy

•Introduce parental leave. The U.S. is the only industrialized country without paid leave for new parents. Sanders wants that changed. He proposes 12 weeks’ paid leave.
In Canada: He’d be slashing a social program. Every Canadian province offers about three times what Sanders is proposing, with some offering up to 52 weeks.

•Create a universal child care and pre-kindergarten program.
In Canada: This would go farther than just about any Canadian province. Quebec pioneered the $5-a-day public daycare model in the 1990s. Federal parties have since promised to replicate it nationally, without success.

Financial regulation
•Break up the big banks.
In Canada: Not much of an issue. Unlike their U.S. peers, Canada's big banks weathered the financial crisis without bailouts, although the banks did get help from Bank of Canada programs to make borrowing money easier and an insured mortgage purchase program that helped the banks raise cash. Canada also has different financial regulations, and also blocked bank mergers.

•Cap credit-card interest rates at 15 per cent.
In Canada: There aren't any such caps on Canadian credit-card rates, although there are different caps on payday loans.

Labour
•Bolster collective bargaining with an Employee Free Choice Act. A key feature would make it easier to form unions. In addition to the current method of voting to certify, Sanders proposes adding a so-called card-check option that would create unions when a sufficient number of workers sign cards.
In Canada: This would restore the previous status quo. Card checks were undone last year by a private member’s bill supported by the then-Conservative government. It will be reversed under the new Trudeau the Younger, Liberal government.

Political financing

•Limiting money in politics. Sanders wants more public financing, tighter limits on third-party spending, more disclosure requirements and a constitutional amendment giving politicians the right to regulate campaign spending — overriding recent Supreme Court rulings.
In Canada: It’s complicated. Different courts, different political culture. In some ways, Stephen Harper was more progressive than Sanders on the financing issue. He completely banned corporate and union donations and limited personal donations to $1,500 (2015 limit). On the other hand, Harper did away with public support for parties, which Sanders favours."

******************

Summing up, some leftward movement, some right, some equal- but not universally left at all. Bernie would easily fit in with Canada's modest, left wing, Social Democratic Party- the NDP. No commie he.

[Tom]

This is why we have a border.
And why we need a second wall! :rolleyes:

[Rookies]

This is why we have a border.
And why we need a second wall! :rolleyes:

The diff is Tommy, most of us don't want to STAY PERMANENTLY! ;)

My daughter might though. She loves Chicago and her work has a sizeable presence there.

As for a Border, there are ongoing discussions about both sides working together at the border. The U.S. has had a Pre Clearance presence & screening at Pearson Airport- for generations!

I've always got through! :lol:

[Clocker]

This is why we have a border.
And why we need a second wall! :rolleyes:

We don't need to keep most Canadians out, just the extreme moonbats and their ideas about government. Like their new PM, Justin Bieber.

Oops, I meant Justin Trudeau. He says it would be nice if Americans paid a little more attention to the world. And to Canada. Asked what countries he admired, he said:

There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, ‘We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.’

Talk about the need to pay attention. On the need to go green, China has made a promise to try to stop its growth of greenhouse emissions by 2025. :rolleyes:

[azeri98]

This is why we have a border.
And why we need a second wall! :rolleyes:
Blame Canada again :lol:

[bks]

Most people on the right here, believe Sanders to be a Commie, with his policy proposals. This is only because of the American frame of reference, that has rarely passed any legislation of a left wing nature. Forget about comparing Bernie to the Social Democracies of Scandinavia, what about a compare and contrast versus a mildly left leaning country like Canada?

One was done 2 months back, as follows, in the Toronto Star:

"Health

•Create single-payer health system.
In Canada: The status quo for 50 years. Every major Canadian party professes support for universal, government-run medicare.

Taxes

•Income-tax hikes. To pay for his health plan, he proposes a 6.2-per-cent premium on employers, a 2.2-per-cent tax on income. People earning more than $250,000 would get progressively higher increases, topping out at a 13-per-cent hike for incomes above $10 million. Sanders insists employers and taxpayers would come out ahead — by saving on insurance.
In Canada: This would feel familiar. The increases would bring U.S. taxes closer to the northern neighbour’s — perhaps higher in some cases, depending on the state and province, the tax bracket and how much of the employer premium gets passed on to workers.

•Higher estate taxes. In the U.S., inheritance below $5.4 million is federally exempt. Sanders wants the threshold lowered to $3.5 million.
In Canada: Inheritance from a parent is generally subject to capital gains, which redistributes wealth from one generation to the next.

Poverty
•Boost the minimum wage. It’s currently $7.25 federally in the U.S. Sanders wants to make it $15.
In Canada: This would be dramatic too. Even in Canadian dollars, $15 would be almost one-third higher than the highest provincial minimum wage.

Infrastructure
•A major spending boost. Sanders wants $1 trillion for improved roads, bridges and transit over a five-year time frame.
In Canada: This would be a sizable increase. The Liberals have promised to spend C$125 billion over 10 years. The previous Conservative government spent $33 billion starting in 2007, and had another program underway.

Trade
•Cancel trade deals, notably NAFTA. Sanders has advocated this position for decades.
In Canada: This would leave Sanders to the left of any major party, none of which has proposed NAFTA’s cancellation. Canada and its politicians are generally more supportive of them than their American neighbours.

Education
•Free tuition at public colleges.
In Canada: A big change. Canadian post-secondary institutions charge tuition — albeit generally waaaaaaaay lower/ a fraction of what it is in the U.S.

Family policy

•Introduce parental leave. The U.S. is the only industrialized country without paid leave for new parents. Sanders wants that changed. He proposes 12 weeks’ paid leave.
In Canada: He’d be slashing a social program. Every Canadian province offers about three times what Sanders is proposing, with some offering up to 52 weeks.

•Create a universal child care and pre-kindergarten program.
In Canada: This would go farther than just about any Canadian province. Quebec pioneered the $5-a-day public daycare model in the 1990s. Federal parties have since promised to replicate it nationally, without success.

Financial regulation
•Break up the big banks.
In Canada: Not much of an issue. Unlike their U.S. peers, Canada's big banks weathered the financial crisis without bailouts, although the banks did get help from Bank of Canada programs to make borrowing money easier and an insured mortgage purchase program that helped the banks raise cash. Canada also has different financial regulations, and also blocked bank mergers.

•Cap credit-card interest rates at 15 per cent.
In Canada: There aren't any such caps on Canadian credit-card rates, although there are different caps on payday loans.

Labour
•Bolster collective bargaining with an Employee Free Choice Act. A key feature would make it easier to form unions. In addition to the current method of voting to certify, Sanders proposes adding a so-called card-check option that would create unions when a sufficient number of workers sign cards.
In Canada: This would restore the previous status quo. Card checks were undone last year by a private member’s bill supported by the then-Conservative government. It will be reversed under the new Trudeau the Younger, Liberal government.

Political financing

•Limiting money in politics. Sanders wants more public financing, tighter limits on third-party spending, more disclosure requirements and a constitutional amendment giving politicians the right to regulate campaign spending — overriding recent Supreme Court rulings.
In Canada: It’s complicated. Different courts, different political culture. In some ways, Stephen Harper was more progressive than Sanders on the financing issue. He completely banned corporate and union donations and limited personal donations to $1,500 (2015 limit). On the other hand, Harper did away with public support for parties, which Sanders favours."

******************

Summing up, some leftward movement, some right, some equal- but not universally left at all. Bernie would easily fit in with Canada's modest, left wing, Social Democratic Party- the NDP. No commie he.

Precisely. He's a liberal, but he's better than Hillary and the rest of the warmongering cretins on offer.

Yuge win last night, and now Clinton has to be privately panicked. His win percentage literally doubled last night at predictwise.com. She's looking more and more like a regional candidate and has undeniable weaknesses nationally. If Sanders can just hold serve in the next few states (i.e. not lose too much delegate ground in IL, OH, FL), he begins a string of about 8 states he can win, all in a row.

She'll be sick. Any day a Clinton loses is a good day.

[NJ Stinks]

Any day a Clinton loses is a good day.

The most un-democratic thing about yesterday is that Hillary did not lose delegates to Bernie. In fact, she gained delegates. According to the Washington Post, Hillary received 94 delegates from Mississippi and Michigan while Bernie received 69 delegates.

Bernie received almost 600,000 votes in Michigan while Hillary got 580,000. In Mississippi Hillary received around 180,000 and Bernie 35,000.

Personally, I have no idea why black people in Mississippi prefer Hillary by a mile. Nor can I imagine living in Michigan and not voting against people who favor free trade.

One other thought: what the hell happened to Debbie Wasserman Schultz? She used to exude a confidence in all things Democratic or at least I thought she did. But last night I saw her interviewed on FOX News and she couldn't have looked less confident. Not only did she avoid answering the questions asked, she seemed like somebody who was not proud of her work.

That's what happens when your job includes defending the most un-democratic notion one can imagine - "superdelegates". :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:

[Tom]

The deck is stacked against the average democrat.
Come, NJ, join us in our Tea "Pee" Party tent.
We are serving Trump Steaks tonight.

[bks]

Personally, I have no idea why black people in Mississippi prefer Hillary by a mile. Nor can I imagine living in Michigan and not voting against people who favor free trade.

Here's the best argument I've heard (though it's still frustrating to read). There's an emotional/irrational element to voting, clearly, and Gray argues it may be in play here.

http://www.progressive.org/taxonomy/term/851

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/29/did_bernie_sanders_run_a_white

[NJ Stinks]

Here's the best argument I've heard (though it's still frustrating to read). There's an emotional/irrational element to voting, clearly, and Gray argues it may be in play here.

http://www.progressive.org/taxonomy/term/851

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/29/did_bernie_sanders_run_a_white

Thanks for the links, BKS.

[Tom]

Bernie's new tax form:

1. How much did you make last year?
2. Send it in.

[bks]

Bernie's new tax form:

1. How much did you make last year?
2. Send it in.

Funny. But back in reality, he's proposing a far less onerous income tax policy than the one the country had for about fifty years, through the Eisenhower administration.

And it's not like you'll get nothing for the money. Full health care. A college education for your children. Real social security. A life not spent living under conditions of extreme precarity.

This is the biggest obstacle: getting people used to living without power to understand that they can get what they want from those who've ruined the society, if they just organize and demand it.

They're starting to demand it, particularly the young people who understand in their bones how f*cked up their future prospects are. It's a beautiful thing.

[tucker6]

Funny. But back in reality, he's proposing a far less onerous income tax policy than the one the country had for about fifty years, through the Eisenhower administration.

And it's not like you'll get nothing for the money. Full health care. A college education for your children. Real social security. A life not spent living under conditions of extreme precarity.

This is the biggest obstacle: getting people used to living without power to understand that they can get what they want from those who've ruined the society, if they just organize and demand it.

They're starting to demand it, particularly the young people who understand in their bones how f*cked up their future prospects are. It's a beautiful thing.
Speaking of f*cked up. :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Funny. But back in reality, he's proposing a far less onerous income tax policy than the one the country had for about fifty years, through the Eisenhower administration.

And it's not like you'll get nothing for the money. Full health care. A college education for your children. Real social security. A life not spent living under conditions of extreme precarity.

This is the biggest obstacle: getting people used to living without power to understand that they can get what they want from those who've ruined the society, if they just organize and demand it.

They're starting to demand it, particularly the young people who understand in their bones how f*cked up their future prospects are. It's a beautiful thing.

I have all of that now.
It's called a job.
What you mean is that I will no longer have what I have now because I will have to pay for someone else.

That is reality.

[Clocker]

They're starting to demand it, particularly the young people who understand in their bones how f*cked up their future prospects are. It's a beautiful thing.

Demand? As in entitled? The young people with the screwed up futures are the one with tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt that they spent getting a degree in Transgendered Global Warming Studies without working for it.

Demand, as in the Occupy Wall Street crowd demanding jobs paying $25 an hour, because that's how much they needed to make to move out of Mama's basement? This is still a great country for economic mobility if you want to work. That's why people are trying to sneak in here, rather than trying to get out.

Nobody has the right to demand anything from the government that they don't earn.

You want to see screwed up future prospects, look at "social democracies" like France, where employers won't give anyone a full time job any more, because the law makes it impossible to fire anyone that can't hack it. Look at all the people that do have jobs paying confiscatory taxes to support people that won't work, or can't find jobs, or sneak into the country as economic refugees and jump right on the dole.

[tucker6]

Demand? As in entitled? The young people with the screwed up futures are the one with tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt that they spent getting a degree in Transgendered Global Warming Studies without working for it.

Demand, as in the Occupy Wall Street crowd demanding jobs paying $25 an hour, because that's how much they needed to make to move out of Mama's basement? This is still a great country for economic mobility if you want to work. That's why people are trying to sneak in here, rather than trying to get out.

Nobody has the right to demand anything from the government that they don't earn.

You want to see screwed up future prospects, look at "social democracies" like France, where employers won't give anyone a full time job any more, because the law makes it impossible to fire anyone that can't hack it. Look at all the people that do have jobs paying confiscatory taxes to support people that won't work, or can't find jobs, or sneak into the country as economic refugees and jump right on the dole.
I had a french employee once. You couldn't get rid of him without paying two YEARS severance. If I wanted to move his office across town and he didn't want to be bothered with the commute, I owed him two YEARS severance. Employers have zero rights in Europe. Same in Germany and Denmark. Thankfully, he was a good employee.

[Clocker]

Employers have zero rights in Europe.

It's a workers' paradise. It's a beautiful thing. :rolleyes:

[tucker6]

It's a workers' paradise. It's a beautiful thing. :rolleyes:
even better, there is no economic impact whatsoever... :rolleyes:

[bks]

Look, I'm not going to play mostie with y'all here. You can pay someone else for your education. I know what I'm up against here. Choice tidbits will have to do.

This is still a great country for economic mobility if you want to work. That's why people are trying to sneak in here, rather than trying to get out.

Nobody has the right to demand anything from the government that they don't earn.

"Demanding what they don't deserve "is the business model for the wealthy elite. They "demanded" a bailout in the TRILLIONS of dollars, and within weeks they got it or did you forget?

The business elite get unearned tax abatements and every form of bullshit incentive that costs the rest of us dearly. This despite the fact that the game is already rigged in their favor (in the finance sector it's done through high-frequency trading, front-running, algorithmic trading, prefential treatment at FED discount windows, and more).

The BIGGEST boondoggle is defense spending, of course. It's basically $500B+ a year corporate welfare program that has bled the country dry. It's created trillions and trillions in debt for nothing, except the enrichment of a class of purveyors who literally build companies designed to suck at the federal tit, Take a look, from the radical rag called the Washington Post:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/national-security-inc/

This form of corporate welfare giveaway costs the country WAY more than all other forms of welfare combined. You demonize the poor and unemployed, when Sanders and others on the left would at least try to them back to work and actually create an economy that builds things of value.

This only scratches the surface of the schemes. Do your own research. Until you address the corruptions associated with the "unearned" demands in the country, spare us the lecture on the "undeservingness" of the young and those displaced by the schemes of the kleptocracy.

[thaskalos]

Look, I'm not going to play mostie with y'all here. You can pay someone else for your education.

:D :ThmbUp:

[Clocker]

"Demanding what they don't deserve "is the business model for the wealthy elite. They "demanded" a bailout in the TRILLIONS of dollars, and within weeks they got it or did you forget?



That was as screwed up as the kids demanding free college and entitlement to a "living wage". One doesn't justify the other.

Let's not forget who gave big business those big bailouts. A Democratic Congress, under both Bush and Obama. Obama and friends are just as guilty of crony capitalism as the Republicans and the fat cats on Wall Street.

[thaskalos]

That was as screwed up as the kids demanding free college and entitlement to a "living wage". One doesn't justify the other.

Let's not forget who gave big business those big bailouts. A Democratic Congress, under both Bush and Obama. Obama and friends are just as guilty of crony capitalism as the Republicans and the fat cats on Wall Street.

True...but how is this an indictment against Bernie Sanders?

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

[Rookies]

Bernie's new tax form:

1. How much did you make last year?
2. Send it in.

Let's see now.

When was the first time I saw that old chestnut ? :rolleyes:

1995? 1980? :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

True...but how is this an indictment against Bernie Sanders?

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

My point was that government giving in to the demands of big business or big unions does not justify giving in to the demands of people like Sanders and his fans for "free" stuff. You need to put an end to the crony capitalism, not go even further in spreading the wealth around.

[thaskalos]

My point was that government giving in to the demands of big business or big unions does not justify giving in to the demands of people like Sanders and his fans for "free" stuff. You need to put an end to the crony capitalism, not go even further in spreading the wealth around.

If you are going to "put an end to crony capitalism"...then why not start by saying "NO" to those businesses that are "too big to fail"? When you stop the "free stuff"...you have to stop it across the board.

[Clocker]

If you are going to "put an end to crony capitalism"...then why not start by saying "NO" to those businesses that are "too big to fail"? When you stop the "free stuff"...you have to stop it across the board.

I said "no" to bailouts from the beginning, but no one in Washington listened to me. :rolleyes:

Failed banks should have been liquidated or taken over by new owners. GM and Chrysler should have been reorganized in bankruptcy under new private ownership.

[davew]

The more I listen to Bernie, the more I like him. It sounds like he is going to give me so much free stuff, I won't even need to work anymore.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by thaskalos
If you are going to "put an end to crony capitalism"...then why not start by saying "NO" to those businesses that are "too big to fail"? When you stop the "free stuff"...you have to stop it across the board.

Absolutely!
If you are outsourcing jobs, I have problem with a 95% tax rate on your ass.

[Tom]

Let's see now.

When was the first time I saw that old chestnut ? :rolleyes:

1995? 1980? :rolleyes:

That's the one you guys use up there, ay? :rolleyes: :D

[zico20]

I have been calling him a communist for months now and Sanders is refusing to take back his praise for Fidel Castro about remarks he made in 1985. Sanders also opposed the USA invading Cuba. Hillary is hitting Sanders for not denouncing Castro.

There are so many sharp people on this site and yet I think only one or two others have actually called him a communist like I have. I have asked this before so here it goes again. Why do so many want a communist potentially in the WH instead of Clinton. He is one of the most dangerous men in the US.

Sanders is running ads here in Missouri and I get sick to my stomach just listening to his voice, much less seeing him on TV. I can't wait til Tuesday is over so Bernie can vanish from Missouri.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/272718-clinton-camp-sanders-should-take-back-castro-praise

[Tom]

It's a workers' paradise. It's a beautiful thing. :rolleyes:
The only problem is that 47% of them DON'T WORK!
More like an anchor party.

[Tom]

I have asked this before so here it goes again. Why do so many want a communist potentially in the WH instead of Clinton. He is one of the most dangerous men in the US.

He is so much of an idiot and joke no one would take him seriously. Hillary, on the other hand, is a hardened and proven monster. People who have crossed her had died, national security and "moles" identities have been compromised by her complete disregard for any rules. She lies so easily I doubt she has a clue what reality is.

She rivals Satan for evilness. Thanks God she is as old as she is. The bitch is bad for our species.

[fast4522]

For your viewing pleasure.

[davew]

He is so much of an idiot and joke no one would take him seriously. Hillary, on the other hand, is a hardened and proven monster. People who have crossed her had died, national security and "moles" identities have been compromised by her complete disregard for any rules. She lies so easily I doubt she has a clue what reality is.

She rivals Satan for evilness. Thanks God she is as old as she is. The bitch is bad for our species.


Don't forget her favorite charity (the Clinton Foundation) as a means for laundering bribes and kickbacks for 'favors'.

[zico20]

Anything Hillary can do, Bernie can do one better. Sanders has come out publicly saying that we do not need a wall or barbed wire fencing on the southern border. He is advocating complete open borders with citizenship for every illegal in the country. The only question that remains to be answered is this. Will Bernie use federal funds, ie, our tax dollars, to build paved asphalt trails leading to the nearest cities from the Mexican border so no illegal gets lost along the way and provide food and water so no illegal gets hungry and thirsty. I think most people on here will agree with me that the answer is yes.

Also, do not be surprised if Obama brings back an autographed picture of Fidel for Bernie. I bet it would be displayed prominently in the Oval Office. Bernie, the most dangerous person in the USA.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-border-dont-wall/story?id=37779082

[davew]

Bernie should just make bus stops along the border with free tickets to wherever they want to go.

[PaceAdvantage]

Anything Hillary can do, Bernie can do one better. Sanders has come out publicly saying that we do not need a wall or barbed wire fencing on the southern border. He is advocating complete open borders with citizenship for every illegal in the country. The only question that remains to be answered is this. Will Bernie use federal funds, ie, our tax dollars, to build paved asphalt trails leading to the nearest cities from the Mexican border so no illegal gets lost along the way and provide food and water so no illegal gets hungry and thirsty. I think most people on here will agree with me that the answer is yes.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-border-dont-wall/story?id=37779082He should use yellow bricks while he's at it.

[Tom]

Funny you say that.
Bernie laying the Yellow Brick Road with Hillary, the WWOTW flying overhead, watching him.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Yet he's 15 pts ahead of Trump in the latest CBS News poll, while Hill is only ahead by 10 pts. Something for nothing sells well, especially in the 30-and-under crowd.

[PaceAdvantage]

Yet he's 15 pts ahead of Trump in the latest CBS News poll, while Hill is only ahead by 10 pts. Something for nothing sells well, especially in the 30-and-under crowd.The liberal brainwashing in our institutes of higher learning is starting to pay off I see...

Unfortunately, it will be too late to correct all this nonsense once Rome is burning...

[Saratoga_Mike]

The liberal brainwashing in our institutes of higher learning is starting to pay off I see...

Unfortunately, it will be too late to correct all this nonsense once Rome is burning...

Rome is burning ... and we (Congress/WH) continue to throw gas (ObamaCare/Medicare Part D) on the fire.

[Inner Dirt]

He is so much of an idiot and joke no one would take him seriously. Hillary, on the other hand, is a hardened and proven monster. People who have crossed her had died, national security and "moles" identities have been compromised by her complete disregard for any rules. She lies so easily I doubt she has a clue what reality is.

She rivals Satan for evilness. Thanks God she is as old as she is. The bitch is bad for our species.

If only the good die young she will live to be 100.

[Clocker]

The liberal brainwashing in our institutes of higher learning is starting to pay off I see...



It started to pay off in 2008. Bernie is the next generation version, after Obama turned out to be not liberal enough.

Hillary believes leadership means finding out which way the people are moving and getting out in front of them. She has already moved left of Obama, and is closing in on Bernie.

[horses4courses]

Whether you like Sanders, or not, I think you have to admire this artwork.
Anyone know who the artist is?
Wish I had a room full of his/her paintings. :ThmbUp:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfzrOXfW8AATfk6.jpg

[rastajenk]

He looks overwhelmed to me. Wouldn't want that as part of any kind of gallery of Presidents.

[Tom]

Bernie speaking down the road from me today at 10am.
Thousands in line when I drove by - traffic backed up for miles.

Maybe I'll drop by later....to see if I can get a free lunch.

[barahona44]

Bernie speaking down the road from me today at 10am.
Thousands in line when I drove by - traffic backed up for miles.

Maybe I'll drop by later....to see if I can get a free lunch.
Why settle for a free lunch when you can get a free college education?
It will give you an opportunity to protest the Kentucky Derby as racist. :)

[Flysofree]

Whether you like Sanders, or not, I think you have to admire this artwork.
Anyone know who the artist is?
Wish I had a room full of his/her paintings. :ThmbUp:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfzrOXfW8AATfk6.jpg

Very Talented.

[Clocker]

Hillary's campaign people are complaining that Bernie is "rigging the system" by trying to get superdelegates who had said they supported Hillary to switch to Bernie.

They say that flipping superdelegates would "overturn the will of the people". :D

The reason the Democrats have superdelegates is so that the will of the people doesn't hijack the nomination process from the control of the party elite. Even Debbie Waterhead Schultz has admitted that. :rolleyes:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-superdelegates-221828

[PaceAdvantage]

Hillary's campaign people are complaining that Bernie is "rigging the system" by trying to get superdelegates who had said they supported Hillary to switch to Bernie.

They say that flipping superdelegates would "overturn the will of the people". :D

The reason the Democrats have superdelegates is so that the will of the people doesn't hijack the nomination process from the control of the party elite. Even Debbie Waterhead Schultz has admitted that. :rolleyes:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-superdelegates-221828Well, she's not obviously qualified to be President then, if we go by what Rookies has to say about Trump who whines when people try and outsmart him...

[Tom]

I went over at noon.
No free lunch.

I am disillusioned with the democrats.

[Clocker]

I went over at noon.
No free lunch.


You probably should have left the "Make America Great Again" hat at home. :rolleyes:

[Tom]

That's what hides my comb-over! :lol:

[Clocker]

Bernie got religion. He says that he agrees with Pope Frances that we need to attain a "moral economy". To reach that goal, Bernie says we need to stop trading with countries that do not have wage and environmental standards roughly equivalent to ours.

Bye, bye, Asia! :p

[rastajenk]

There we go again, sticking our big Uncle Sam nose into other countries' business. I thought millennials and other iso's were against that kind of thing. :p

[Tom]

When I drove by Bernie's Day Camp for the day, they were still handing out rainbows, unicorns, and cookies to the crowd.

[dkithore]

Bernie speaking down the road from me today at 10am.
Thousands in line when I drove by - traffic backed up for miles.

Maybe I'll drop by later....to see if I can get a free lunch.
Do not worry Tom, Congress will duct tape him well enough for him to even get a bathroom break! Forget about free lunch.

I prefer him to Hilarious, arrogant woman, Should RNC fail Trump..

[reckless]

After the debate Thursday night Bernie went to Rome to see the Pope. Why? I could only imagine. :eek: :rolleyes:

Here's Bernie talking to the media:

"I just flew in from Brooklyn and boy, are my arms tired" (rim shot)

Bernie's a clown of a presidential candidate and Francis is a clown of a Pope.

[Tom]

Bernie just rolled into town, and boy do his sides ache! ba dum.

When Bernie was in Africa, he shot an elephant in his pajamas.
How he got in his pajamas, no one really knows. ba dum

I have a picture of Bernie on my mantle. How he got up there, I don't know.

ba dum

I went to Bernie's campaign headquarters and it was closed. I called him on the phone and said your sign says open 24 hours. He replied, "Not in a ROW!"

da bum

[Saratoga_Mike]

Bernie's a clown of a presidential candidate .

Tell me you didn't enjoy him irritating the hell out of Her Majesty?

[Flysofree]

He started with a loan of 5 cents from his dad....Trump started with a Million dollars from his dad. And he hasn't declared bankruptcy 4 times..Oh excuse me 4 companies went bankrupt..

[Saratoga_Mike]

Where are Bernie's tax returns? Will we find he's as charitable as Joe Biden?

[PaceAdvantage]

He started with a loan of 5 cents from his dad....Trump started with a Million dollars from his dad. And he hasn't declared bankruptcy 4 times..Oh excuse me 4 companies went bankrupt..It's hard to declare bankruptcy when you never had anything to begin with...

[PaceAdvantage]

He started with a loan of 5 cents from his dad....Trump started with a Million dollars from his dad. And he hasn't declared bankruptcy 4 times..Oh excuse me 4 companies went bankrupt..He's in good company. Abe Lincoln went bankrupt before becoming President too...but you've got me there, Trump is winning 4-1...

[Saratoga_Mike]

He's in good company. Abe Lincoln went bankrupt before becoming President too...but you've got me there, Trump is winning 4-1...

You belong on the Trump payroll. You could do post-debate spin for him. You're better than most of his staff. I'm mean it sincerely, not ragging on you.

[Greyfox]

Sanders and Clinton would bankrupt America.

They claim to be frightened about Global Warming.
In reality, that is just a cover hiding their disdain for Capitalism.

By the way, Hilarity went morally bankrupt years ago and still hasn't come out of it.

[PaceAdvantage]

You belong on the Trump payroll. You could do post-debate spin for him. You're better than most of his staff. I'm mean it sincerely, not ragging on you.Just telling it like it is. What I wrote is fact, is it not?

You NEVER hear that Abe Lincoln went bankrupt before running for President. I didn't know that...saw some mention of it at some obscure link (some click-bait such as "You'll never believe these famous people who went bankrupt").

Since when is speaking the truth akin to being a leg humping Trump spin guy?

I see myself as no better or worse than folks like you and Rookies.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Just telling it like it is. What I wrote is fact, is it not?

You NEVER hear that Abe Lincoln went bankrupt before running for President. I didn't know that...saw some mention of it at some obscure link (some click-bait such as "You'll never believe these famous people who went bankrupt").

Since when is speaking the truth akin to being a leg humping Trump spin guy?

I see myself as no better or worse than folks like you and Rookies.

Abe Lincoln's financial acumen wasn't one of the cornerstones of his run for the presidency. Therefore, it's a non-sequitur, imo. It's still good spin, though.

[Tom]

The up side to having gone bankrupt before is that Trump understands something not liberal ever will - the well does have a bottom and it does dry up.

A conservative says 2+2=4

A lib says 2+2= TOO DAMN MUCH - We need to spread some of that around. WE need it to = at least 5 or 6 so we can tax 7 or 8 of it.

Trump! The Next Abe Lincoln.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Trump! The Next Abe Lincoln.

Don't you mean Trump 4x Better than Lincoln??

[Nutz and Boltz]

He's in good company. Abe Lincoln went bankrupt before becoming President too...but you've got me there, Trump is winning 4-1...
And Lincoln also made some "racist" comments...
https://markii.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/racist-quote-by-abe-lincoln-happy-black-history-month/

[JustRalph]

http://observer.com/2016/10/breaking-dnc-chief-donna-brazile-leaked-sanders-info-to-clinton-campaign/

More evidence Bernie got screwed

[EasyGoer89]

#pawnstars

[davew]

spent $300K on airfare campaigning around the country in October (not sure if that includes his payments for carbon credits, so that he does not increase climate change)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6465235/Climate-hawk-Bernie-Sanders-spent-297-000-private-jet-travel-ONE-MONTH.html

[ElKabong]

spent $300K on airfare campaigning around the country in October (not sure if that includes his payments for carbon credits, so that he does not increase climate change)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6465235/Climate-hawk-Bernie-Sanders-spent-297-000-private-jet-travel-ONE-MONTH.html

Bernies a good little socialist....