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Racey
12-26-2015, 09:41 PM
for T breds using Bris files.....notice not too many seem to use it considering how good bob is this is a bit surprising. Can anyone endorse this when you compare it to other choices that are out .

Racey
12-26-2015, 11:34 PM
are the strongest indicators for sprints / routes / turf this program should be a top seller on Bobs reputation alone

Racey
12-29-2015, 12:48 AM
odd oh well.

Speed Figure
12-29-2015, 12:54 AM
Tell me about it! I guess no one is using it!

NorCalGreg
12-29-2015, 12:56 AM
odd oh well.

I answered you (somewhat) on another thread, Racey. Don't recall which thread it was, though.

Racey
12-29-2015, 01:00 AM
Sorry just wanted some feedback ... or any accounts of success with it or patterns to look for.

NorCalGreg
12-29-2015, 01:18 AM
Sorry just wanted some feedback ... or any accounts of success with it or patterns to look for.

I personally did/and do well with his pace methods---check out Trackmaster's software (Wagermate, MPH) you don't have to buy any software, just pay for the data files you use...pay as you go. See how you like those.

Racey
12-29-2015, 01:24 AM
I loved the pace longshot book changed the way I play was just hoping for patterns in the diamond ratings to look for.

Nutz and Boltz
12-29-2015, 06:39 AM
One negative to the Diamond system is that it uses the BRIS multi file format , the only program I know of that does this.

ldiatone
12-29-2015, 01:54 PM
One negative to the Diamond system is that it uses the BRIS multi file format , the only program I know of that does this. also uses trackmaster files. sane ones for mph

green80
12-29-2015, 02:29 PM
One negative to the Diamond system is that it uses the BRIS multi file format , the only program I know of that does this.

I use Trueline, is also uses the bris multi data files.

upthecreek
12-29-2015, 02:29 PM
also uses trackmaster files. sane ones for mph

2 different versions,sold separately

ldiatone
12-29-2015, 08:43 PM
2 different versions,sold separately
do you mean 1 for TM and 1 for bris?

Racey
12-29-2015, 09:05 PM
2 versions.....back to any particular indicators from the diamond ratings that show as a good indicator

pandy
12-29-2015, 10:25 PM
Thanks for mentioning my Diamond software. The top Diamond pick showed a nice flat bet profit for the entire Del Mar meet this year. Basically, in dirt sprints, Diamond Final, Diamond Pace, and ESR are all good at picking longshot winners, especially top two ranked ....in routes, Diamond Final, Formula Kick....but you can also use Diamond Energy to model any track. Some users certainly have figured out their own way that the like to use the ratings.

UltimateBetter
12-29-2015, 10:28 PM
If it was compatible to Jcp files or drf single file or brisnet single drf like most software

pandy
12-30-2015, 08:36 AM
If it was compatible to Jcp files or drf single file or brisnet single drf like most software


No it isn't. The Diamond System works with two files, Bris multi data files and Trackmaster exe files. The single file is too big for the Foxpro database program we built the system in and we've done too much work on the system over many years to try to move it to another platform.

Racey
01-05-2016, 10:42 PM
have you guys used the most...T or Q

pandy
01-07-2016, 08:22 AM
have you guys used the most...T or Q


I run T, print the consensus box (6), then I run Q and I write down the top 3 on my consensus box so I can compare the rankings of T and Q.

Racey
01-21-2016, 11:30 PM
Do you consider kick on this distance or ESR like a shorter sprint

pandy
01-21-2016, 11:51 PM
Do you consider kick on this distance or ESR like a shorter sprint

It depends on how the track is playing. You do not need a horse with a monster KICK rating but you will have a better chance of cashing a win ticket if the horse has at least a competitive kick rating. In that case, it won't have a high ESR but a medium ESR, like a 4 or 5, with a solid kick is a good combination at 7 furlongs.

The new book I'm working on puts the focus on finding horses that can finish but have tactical speed. Let me say this, if you only bet on horses that fit the criteria I'm developing, which has to fit the individual race, you will win consistently. It's taking me time because I'm trying to formulate the methodology for both the Diamond System and regular pp handicapping and maybe even give some tips on how to use it with the sartin style velocity ratings. This will be the best spot play handicapping system ever put in print.

Racey
01-22-2016, 12:03 AM
look forward to the book will it be ready by summer? also just getting used to the diamond system . Any additional tips you could give on sprints VS Routes...PAS Rating ? When to lean on diamond Pace & diamond speed.

Thanks BOB

ReplayRandall
01-22-2016, 12:06 AM
The new book I'm working on puts the focus on finding horses that can finish but have tactical speed. Let me say this, if you only bet on horses that fit the criteria I'm developing, which has to fit the individual race, you will win consistently. It's taking me time because I'm trying to formulate the methodology for both the Diamond System and regular pp handicapping and maybe even give some tips on how to use it with the sartin style velocity ratings. This will be the best spot play handicapping system ever put in print.

Why would you sell your best spot play handicapping system to the public? Is there an even better system that you sell privately? Won't this play lose it's edge quickly the more it's exposed? How many plays a year will this method produce? I wish you the best Pandy, as we all make our livelihood's in our own unique ways, but isn't this counter-productive to your own betting interests?

thaskalos
01-22-2016, 12:17 AM
The new book I'm working on puts the focus on finding horses that can finish but have tactical speed. Let me say this, if you only bet on horses that fit the criteria I'm developing, which has to fit the individual race, you will win consistently. It's taking me time because I'm trying to formulate the methodology for both the Diamond System and regular pp handicapping and maybe even give some tips on how to use it with the sartin style velocity ratings. This will be the best spot play handicapping system ever put in print.
If this is true...wouldn't the potential profits to be made by using this system at the track far exceed the amount of money the system creator could expect to make by selling his work to the rather small readership of handicapping systems out there?

DRIVEWAY
01-22-2016, 12:56 AM
If this is true...wouldn't the potential profits to be made by using this system at the track far exceed the amount of money the system creator could expect to make by selling his work to the rather small readership of handicapping systems out there?

You would think!

pandy
01-22-2016, 07:03 AM
If this is true...wouldn't the potential profits to be made by using this system at the track far exceed the amount of money the system creator could expect to make by selling his work to the rather small readership of handicapping systems out there?

That's possible. I can only speak for myself, I'm not sure if selling my methods has hurt my personal betting or not, impossible to say, really. I do have a feeling that my Pro Simulcast system, which has been on the market for a long time, causes some horses to go off at lower odds.

But, that's besides the point. I've never wanted to be a professional gambler. My goal since I was a teenager and first started handicapping was to make a living as a professional handicapper and writer while supplementing my income with betting, something that I've accomplished.

Perhaps these goals were too modest, but I found out early in life that I hated working at something that I didn't love doing, and that I preferred to work for myself. Once I discovered handicapping at 17, I thought that would be a fun way to earning a living, so I made that my goal. Since I loved to write, it made sense to pursue this career path. I also found that I loved being an instructor, not only in print, but on TV, radio, and in personal appearances. I've enjoyed meeting and communicating with horseplayers from all over North America, and other countries. Right now I'm working with a Swedish gentleman who is translating one of my harness racing books for sale in Europe. I've also made many friends in the racing industry and met hundreds of people, such as trainers, jockeys, racing executives and journalists, etc., and that's been a great experience.

As for the small readership you've mentioned, there certainly aren't as many horseplayers as there used to be, but my gross sales are actually higher now than they were ten years ago. In terms of book sales alone, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the number one grossing handicapping author in the country. There are people on Amazon that sell more handicapping books than me, but the price of those books is low and the authors don't own the rights.

The new book I'm writing, because of it's originality, and positive testing I've done (live on my website), will have a higher list price than any book I've published.

Speed Figure
01-22-2016, 10:11 AM
I guess answering emails and private PA messages from people that paid for your book must not be high on your list. I purchased your book Speed and Class Handicapping and said in the email that I wanted the PDF version and not the paper back. I then sent you two PA private messages that you read and never got a reply back from you! customer lost!

pandy
01-22-2016, 10:39 AM
I guess answering emails and private PA messages from people that paid for your book must not be high on your list. I purchased your book Speed and Class Handicapping and said in the email that I wanted the PDF version and not the paper back. I then sent you two PA private messages that you read and never got a reply back from you! customer lost!


Sorry. I have outstanding customer service and I pride myself on it. However, you did not contact me directly, but through this forum in a private message. These private messages do not send alerts to me. I had no idea that you had messaged me. You can email me at pandy@sharphorses.com or call me directly. The phone number and other contact info is at www.handicappingwinners.com. Sorry about he mistake, I'll gladly send you a pdf version. Do not mail the paperback back. I don't go on this site everyday, customers usually contact me directly.

DRIVEWAY
01-22-2016, 12:41 PM
That's possible. I can only speak for myself, I'm not sure if selling my methods has hurt my personal betting or not, impossible to say, really. I do have a feeling that my Pro Simulcast system, which has been on the market for a long time, causes some horses to go off at lower odds.

But, that's besides the point. I've never wanted to be a professional gambler. My goal since I was a teenager and first started handicapping was to make a living as a professional handicapper and writer while supplementing my income with betting, something that I've accomplished.

Perhaps these goals were too modest, but I found out early in life that I hated working at something that I didn't love doing, and that I preferred to work for myself. Once I discovered handicapping at 17, I thought that would be a fun way to earning a living, so I made that my goal. Since I loved to write, it made sense to pursue this career path. I also found that I loved being an instructor, not only in print, but on TV, radio, and in personal appearances. I've enjoyed meeting and communicating with horseplayers from all over North America, and other countries. Right now I'm working with a Swedish gentleman who is translating one of my harness racing books for sale in Europe. I've also made many friends in the racing industry and met hundreds of people, such as trainers, jockeys, racing executives and journalists, etc., and that's been a great experience.

As for the small readership you've mentioned, there certainly aren't as many horseplayers as there used to be, but my gross sales are actually higher now than they were ten years ago. In terms of book sales alone, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the number one grossing handicapping author in the country. There are people on Amazon that sell more handicapping books than me, but the price of those books is low and the authors don't own the rights.

The new book I'm writing, because of it's originality, and positive testing I've done (live on my website), will have a higher list price than any book I've published.


Wow. Congrats.

Making a living betting the horses is a great accomplishment. What percentage of your income is from wagering?

pandy
01-22-2016, 05:22 PM
Wow. Congrats.

Making a living betting the horses is a great accomplishment. What percentage of your income is from wagering?


Thanks, but I don't make a living betting the horses. My percentage of income from betting has dropped by about 8% since PA. stopped the rebates, much more selective now.

Charlie
01-23-2016, 11:00 AM
Pandy has always answered my questions. I just used the website he mentioned and received a response right away. I found him to be a very reputable business man. And let's not forget just how many free articles he has made available for us handicappers. That just proves that he enjoys sharing his knowledge with others and really isn't worried about the odds on his selections being affected. How many others would do that?

Nutz and Boltz
01-23-2016, 12:42 PM
Purchased his daily selections years ago when you had to call an 800 number to get his picks( Seems like the "Dark Ages" now.) I spoke with him directly to sign-up and had no complaints. Sometimes these guy are so slick trying to get you to go for their"premium selections " for added charges. Not him.

pandy
01-23-2016, 04:26 PM
Thanks guys. I got him the pdf.

I learned a long time ago that customer service is critical if you want to stay in business. And so is honesty. If I make a mistake and screw up a customer's order, I just tell the customer I screwed up and I fix it. No one ever complains when you don't try to BS them.

Racey
01-23-2016, 07:32 PM
You can lend to a new diamond system user.....any tips pattern pt advantage with diamond speed vs diamond Pace. How many pts represent a strong play ect.. i am trying to learn and recognize strong play indicators but I have missed a few and that always hurts.

Thanks

pandy
01-24-2016, 01:39 PM
You can lend to a new diamond system user.....any tips pattern pt advantage with diamond speed vs diamond Pace. How many pts represent a strong play ect.. i am trying to learn and recognize strong play indicators but I have missed a few and that always hurts.

Thanks


For Diamond Rating, 7 pts or more....Diamond Pace same thing...generally speaking, top two Diamond Pace does point to a lot of longshot winners in sprints....try running option T then 6 in landscape to print the consensus box....top two early speed, top two diamond final are very good in sprints...top two kick and top two diamond final are very good in routes.....generally speaking, the horse's advantage is strongest when the paceline is from the same track (not a shipper)...

Racey
02-22-2016, 11:13 PM
after I pick the paceline 2 ..then option T when do I hit 6 for the consensus box to print ? must be doing something wrong as the option T prints out but can't seem to get the consensus box

pandy
02-23-2016, 06:18 AM
after I pick the paceline 2 ..then option T when do I hit 6 for the consensus box to print ? must be doing something wrong as the option T prints out but can't seem to get the consensus box

The sequence is automatic paceline option 2, T, then then S to view on screen. Then run again, but use 2 and 6, change the printer to landscape, print.

Let me know if it works, it should as long as your printer is on and has paper.