When do we nuke these stinking basrards?

[Tom]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-issues-order-killing-children-7004891

Vile ISIS (http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/isis)terror thugs have issued a fatwa to kill babies and children with Down's Syndrome, it has been reported.

Iraqi activist group Mosul Eye (https://mosuleye.wordpress.com/) says the ISIS Shar'ia Board issued a savage "oral fatwa (an Islamic term for a religious decree)" to its members authorising them to "kill newborn babies with Down's Syndrome and congenital deformities and disabled children".

If true - and reports from the war-torn region are difficult to verify - it means ISIS has taken a leaf from the Nazis, who murdered disabled children it perceived to be a "burden on the state".




I would tell all the ME nations they have 30 days to destroy ISIS or we will pattern nuke wherever we think they are, period.

It is far past time for the allegedly moderate muslims to take care of their trash. Or suffer the same fates.

[woodtoo]

They are the worst of the worst, your plan is a good start Tom.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm sure someone out there will try to turn this around and say ISIS got this new marching order from Donald "Adolph Jr." Trump himself...anybody check his tweets lately? :eek: :bang: :faint:

[mostpost]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-issues-order-killing-children-7004891





I would tell all the ME nations they have 30 days to destroy ISIS or we will pattern nuke wherever we think they are, period.

It is far past time for the allegedly moderate muslims to take care of their trash. Or suffer the same fates.
Let me see if I understand this. In order to protect thousands of disabled Arab children, you propose that we kill hundreds of thousands of Arab children, both healthy and disabled. Do you have any idea of what an idiot you are? Adding the word "Period" to a sentence does not make that sentence any less stupid.

[therussmeister]

They are the worst of the worst, your plan is a good start Tom.
Whilst they are currently the worst of the worst, Tom's plan would elevate them to second worst of the worst.

[Nutz and Boltz]

What's a stinking BASRARD , Tom ? :lol:

[zico20]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-issues-order-killing-children-7004891





I would tell all the ME nations they have 30 days to destroy ISIS or we will pattern nuke wherever we think they are, period.

It is far past time for the allegedly moderate muslims to take care of their trash. Or suffer the same fates.

Damn Tom,

When you speak, the world listens and responds. How the hell do you do it? You are freaking amazing. I bow down to you, sir.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/saudi-arabia-announces-34-state-islamic-military-alliance-against-terrorism/ar-BBnyvWz?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

[classhandicapper]

Damn Tom,

When you speak, the world listens and responds. How the hell do you do it? You are freaking amazing. I bow down to you, sir.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/saudi-arabia-announces-34-state-islamic-military-alliance-against-terrorism/ar-BBnyvWz?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

I don't believe they will do anything meaningful because they don't want the extremists disrupting their own countries and destabilizing their own power. This is all talk to sooth the west. Half of them probably sponsor these groups
just to keep them from blowing things up in heir own countries.

[zico20]

I don't believe they will do anything meaningful because they don't want the extremists disrupting their own countries and destabilizing their own power. This is all talk to sooth the west. Half of them probably sponsor these groups
just to keep them from blowing things up in heir own countries.

Maybe so, but they still took Toms comments to heart and at least are showing the appearance that Tom is not one to be taken lightly.

[woodtoo]

Tom trumps.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

I'm sure someone out there will try to turn this around and say ISIS got this new marching order from Donald "Adolph Jr." Trump himself...anybody check his tweets lately? :eek: :bang: :faint:

The connection between Muslim <extremists> and the popularity of the Nazi views is hard to miss....it's them or us.

[sammy the sage]

Let me see if I understand this. In order to protect thousands of disabled Arab children, you propose that we kill hundreds of thousands of Arab children, both healthy and disabled. Do you have any idea of what an idiot you are? Adding the word "Period" to a sentence does not make that sentence any less stupid.

I'll be damned...gotta agree w/Mostie here :faint:

[Tom]

Adding the word "Period" to a sentence does not make that sentence any less stupid.

This from the King of Stupid.

[Rookies]

I'm sure someone out there will try to turn this around and say ISIS got this new marching order from Donald "Adolph Jr." Trump himself...anybody check his tweets lately? :eek: :bang: :faint:

No, Trump just decides to mock a persons with disabilities. He should just be exposed and berated- as he was.

And wiping these ISIS monsters off the face of the earth is a good start. And then, one more time for good luck and an example to any future offshoot to contemplate!

[NorCalGreg]

What's a stinking BASRARD , Tom ? :lol:

Tom's typos are almost as funny as shemp's. shemp once put something in the thread title about a "horse" but his typo came out "hors"...dang CJ corrected it before most could read it :lol:

[Nutz and Boltz]

Tom's typos are almost as funny as shemp's. shemp once put something in the thread title about a "horse" but his typo came out "hors"...dang CJ corrected it before most could read it :lol:
I think he's the Mad Typist, he gets his blood all boiling and types so fast, he has no idea what he's posting. A man could get in trouble that way. Lucky it's a typewriter he's using and not an automatic weapon. Hey, it's all in fun.

[Tom]

Typewriter?
Yeah right. Talk about knowing what you are posting. :rolleyes:

Glad ISIS could provide you with a few chuckles.
Maybe we get another beheading in for New Year' Eve.
You know, the head drops instead of the ball. Bet that would be a gas at your party.

[NorCalGreg]

Typewriter?
Yeah right. Talk about knowing what you are posting. :rolleyes:

Glad ISIS could provide you with a few chuckles.
Maybe we get another beheading in for New Year' Eve.
You know, the head drops instead of the ball. Bet that would be a gas at your party.

Only chuckles ISIS provided so far, was when I read Jihadi John's porn-watching a$$ was killed. :D :D :D :D

EDIT: and stop proofreading--we want the shoot-from-the-hip Tom

[Nutz and Boltz]

Typewriter?
Yeah right. Talk about knowing what you are posting. :rolleyes:

Glad ISIS could provide you with a few chuckles.
Maybe we get another beheading in for New Year' Eve.
You know, the head drops instead of the ball. Bet that would be a gas at your party.
Jeez, the guy has no sense of humor, get real buddy . One of my first posts and already I made an enemy. :faint:

[NorCalGreg]

Jeez, the guy has no sense of humor, get real buddy . One of my first posts and already I made an enemy. :faint:

LOL....he's just getting warmed up, (I don't want to call you "Nutz"....but feel I must)

[NorCalGreg]

I got no business being on this side of the site----later Nutz, Tom, et al

[Marshall Bennett]

Let me see if I understand this. In order to protect thousands of disabled Arab children, you propose that we kill hundreds of thousands of Arab children
Simple logic. I'll disagree with any of my conservative comrades here that agree that this does anything more than set a stage for horror and suffrage.
We would then have no qualms in doing the same with N. Korea. If we're going to slaughter millions trying to rid the earth of evil, why stop with ISIS and the Middle East?

[Stillriledup]

Let me see if I understand this. In order to protect thousands of disabled Arab children, you propose that we kill hundreds of thousands of Arab children, both healthy and disabled. Do you have any idea of what an idiot you are? Adding the word "Period" to a sentence does not make that sentence any less stupid.

So Tom has a plan, you disagree with the plan but don't come up with a better plan than Tom.

What's the plan.

[davew]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-issues-order-killing-children-7004891





I would tell all the ME nations they have 30 days to destroy ISIS or we will pattern nuke wherever we think they are, period.

It is far past time for the allegedly moderate muslims to take care of their trash. Or suffer the same fates.

I do not know what you mean when you say 'pattern nuke'. I hope you do not infer a few hundred nuclear bombs, which would cause worldwide nuclear fallout and resulting global environmental concerns.

[Stillriledup]

I do not know what you mean when you say 'pattern nuke'. I hope you do not infer a few hundred nuclear bombs, which would cause worldwide nuclear fallout and resulting global environmental concerns.

Either we mean business or we don't. We 'unload' or we don't.

Is there a way other than unloading nukes to get this done?

The Mr Nice guy approach doesn't seem to be working.

[Tom]

Los Angeles schools closing now due to a credible terror threat.
SRU, my guess is we don't mean business.



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiXz_qOnd7JAhVIgj4KHR-oDU0QqQIIHjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fktla.com%2F2015%2F12%2F15%2Flausd-has-received-credible-terror-threat-district-official-says%2F&usg=AFQjCNGEHtoIGcdrAMXwd0ofyi_L_ocH7Q

[Tor Ekman]

Iraqi activist group Mosul Eye (https://mosuleye.wordpress.com/) says the ISIS Shar'ia Board issued a savage "oral fatwa (an Islamic term for a religious decree)" to its members authorising them to "kill newborn babies with Down's Syndrome and congenital deformities and disabled children".

Despicable and repugnant, no doubt, and these Sharia scum truly deserve to be eradicated from the face of the earth. But let the record show that here in the good old "moral" USA, 90% of Down Syndrome babies are being aborted and denied their God-given right to life.

[Tom]

Good point that I had not considered.

[TJDave]

But let the record show that here in the good old "moral" USA, 90% of Down Syndrome babies are being aborted and denied their God-given right to life.

God-given?

Why would God make Down's Syndrome babies?

[Tom]

Why don't YOU ask Him?
Maybe He will ask you the hell you are to question it.
Is it your opinion that they are lesser people and should not exist?

[TJDave]

Why don't YOU ask Him?

No, thanks. I don't have imaginary conversations.

[Tor Ekman]

God-given?

Why would God make Down's Syndrome babies?Clearly, your mindset is little better than that of the ISIS scum. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

[TJDave]

Clearly, your mindset is little better than that of the ISIS scum. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

Deflection. You brought God into the subject. Answer the question.

[Tor Ekman]

Deflection. You brought God into the subject. Answer the question.You don't believe in God, fine by me. But it seems to me that you are in favor of people "playing God" by denying Down Syndrome babies the same existence that you and I enjoy, since you obviously believe they are somehow lesser creatures: hence your rhetorical question as to why God would create Down Syndrome babies. . . . you are indeed a pathetic excuse for a human being.

[Tom]

No, thanks. I don't have imaginary conversations.

Then why stick your nose into the conversation?

[Tom]

Why bother?
You wouldn't understand.

[TJDave]

You don't believe in God, fine by me. But it seems to me that you are in favor of people "playing God" by denying Down Syndrome babies the same existence that you and I enjoy, since you obviously believe they are somehow lesser creatures: hence your rhetorical question as to why God would create Down Syndrome babies. . . . you are indeed a pathetic excuse for a human being.

You believe in a God so the question is not rhetorical. Please answer it.

I am not in favor of denying Down's Syndrome babies the right to life.

[TJDave]

Then why stick your nose into the conversation?

Because Tor Ekman linked the legal practice of abortion with what ISIS proposed. Wrong.

[classhandicapper]

Because Tor Ekman linked the legal practice of abortion with what ISIS proposed. Wrong.

The major difference is the timing. The intent is the same regardless of the legality.

[Tor Ekman]

You believe in a God so the question is not rhetorical. Please answer it.
In answer to your question: Why WOULDN'T God create Down Syndrome babies who grow into amazing people who possess an innocence and grace that is a wonder and a joy to behold for those people who are fortunate enough to have Down Syndrome people in their lives, many of whom believe it is truly a gift from God . . . better to call it "Up Syndrome." But I doubt that a pathetic cynic such as yourself could ever comprehend.

[PaceAdvantage]

In answer to your question: Why WOULDN'T God create Down Syndrome babies who grow into amazing people who possess an innocence and grace that is a wonder and a joy to behold for those people who are fortunate enough to have Down Syndrome people in their lives, many of whom believe it is truly a gift from God . . . better to call it "Up Syndrome." But I doubt that a pathetic cynic such as yourself could ever comprehend.I'm fairly certain TJ doesn't have anything against people born with Down Syndrome, nor does he want to see them go away. I think you're misunderstanding him and lashing out for little good reason.

[Marshall Bennett]

God-given?

Why would God make Down's Syndrome babies?
I don't know, but will give it a shot.
Why doe God allow famine, earthquakes, wars, pollution, cracks in the road, or any other unwanted events?
Perhaps it's God's will not to interfere. If God were here to correct any negative aspect of life, how weak a species we would evolve into not ever taking responsibility and learning for ourselves. Down's Syndrome, cancer, plane crashes, and car accidents perhaps fit into the same set of rules. Whatever the case, God didn't do it, and to suggest that he simply allows it to happen, in his plans for us all, are simply selfish and naive
He answers our prayers perhaps when all else fails, circumstances only he knows and not for us to understand.
If you're an Atheist and have little or no faith, then it really doesn't matter does it? Your asking a question related to God therefore has little relevance, you wouldn't believe any answer given anyway.

[Tor Ekman]

I'm fairly certain TJ doesn't have anything against people born with Down Syndrome, nor does he want to see them go away. I think you're misunderstanding him and lashing out for little good reason.What?!? His question as to why God would create Down Syndrome babies is an inherent admission that he believes Down Syndrome babies are somehow deficient or defective, otherwise why would he bother posing the question. He doesn't believe in God, fine by me, that's none of my concern. But for him to attempt to use the existence of Down Syndrome babies as evidence that there is no God (because in his pathetic cynical view, they are lesser creatures, so how could God allow it) is itself repugnant. IMO opinion, his mindset is barely distinguished from those who would abort Down Syndrome babies and even the ISIS scum who would murder them.

[iceknight]

Let me see if I understand this. In order to protect thousands of disabled Arab children, you propose that we kill hundreds of thousands of Arab children, both healthy and disabled. Do you have any idea of what an idiot you are? Adding the word "Period" to a sentence does not make that sentence any less stupid.I rarely agree with things said by Tom, but you are twsiting his words here. He is talking of the big stick policy here, specifically because countries in the Middle east like Saudi, Qatar, UAE have done NOTHInG against ISIS neither have they taken in even orphan Syrian or refugees, so they need to stop their implicit support, STOP their war on Shia people, stop bombing Yemen and change their focus to the elimination of the ISIS ideology and the in ground ISIS militia.
Thinking objectively will help, rather than toeing some party line all the time. Sheesh.

This guy (left leaning, TV president) conveys the message correctly.

https://youtu.be/1Z7HxDB9kLU

1Z7HxDB9kLU

[Tom]

I rarely agree with things said by Tom, but you are twsiting his words here.

Gee, thanks....I think! :D

[iceknight]

Damn Tom,

When you speak, the world listens and responds. How the hell do you do it? You are freaking amazing. I bow down to you, sir.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/saudi-arabia-announces-34-state-islamic-military-alliance-against-terrorism/ar-BBnyvWz?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignoutpretty sure Tom also made bets on this on offshore books
:ThmbUp:


I hope it is fine to mention betting or horses in off topic?

[thaskalos]

In answer to your question: Why WOULDN'T God create Down Syndrome babies who grow into amazing people who possess an innocence and grace that is a wonder and a joy to behold for those people who are fortunate enough to have Down Syndrome people in their lives, many of whom believe it is truly a gift from God . . . better to call it "Up Syndrome." But I doubt that a pathetic cynic such as yourself could ever comprehend.
GEE, Tor. The way you make it sound...ALL the parents should be lucky enough to have a down syndrome baby.

[PaceAdvantage]

GEE, Tor. The way you make it sound...ALL the parents should be lucky enough to have a down syndrome baby.Nothing good will ever come from this reply.

[thaskalos]

Nothing good will ever come from this reply.
You know what I mean...

[Tor Ekman]

GEE, Tor. The way you make it sound...ALL the parents should be lucky enough to have a down syndrome baby.You, sir, are a moron.

[PaceAdvantage]

I rest my case.

[thaskalos]

I rest my case.
LOL. I would be more upset if Tor called me a "genius".

[Stillriledup]

You don't believe in God, fine by me. But it seems to me that you are in favor of people "playing God" by denying Down Syndrome babies the same existence that you and I enjoy, since you obviously believe they are somehow lesser creatures: hence your rhetorical question as to why God would create Down Syndrome babies. . . . you are indeed a pathetic excuse for a human being.

You're twisting what Dave wrote, this is not what he meant. Also, no need for the anger and name calling, you're better than that.

[TJDave]

In answer to your question: Why WOULDN'T God create Down Syndrome babies who grow into amazing people who possess an innocence and grace that is a wonder and a joy to behold for those people who are fortunate enough to have Down Syndrome people in their lives, many of whom believe it is truly a gift from God . . . better to call it "Up Syndrome." But I doubt that a pathetic cynic such as yourself could ever comprehend.

I'm fairly certain that in most of the underdeveloped world there is little testing leading to opportunities for abortions. This is where the majority of Down Syndrome children are born and die, living shortened, disease plagued lives. Explain God's plan in relation to these facts.

[NorCalGreg]

You're twisting what Dave wrote, this is not what he meant. Also, no need for the anger and name calling, you're better than that.

You know.....it gets really hard to read what was an interesting thread, when people have to constantly interrupt, and answer for--or decide what SOMEONE ELSE meant, and police up the thread to their liking-- and basically, unasked and uninvited-referee the entire thread.

Please stop.

[ebcorde]

there will be an Islamic State comprising of western Iraq and eastern Syria.

Iraq will be split into at least 3 nations , Syria at least 2.

you can't force people over there to live together, when Israel, Yugoslavia is not forced too.

[fast4522]

I do not see scorching the earth and make it glow is the solution. We should return many to their own continent to which they came from as the first part of a plan that would take years. There are a good many folks that came here the legal way and own homes and now call our land home and are sincere. To these folks we owe them that chance to be the best Americans, we have the ability to know who is shit and who is not. To those who entered and overstayed a visa we should round up and send them on their one way exit. The main problem we have is Ivy league left wing telling others failure is an acceptable option. Today they turn the California school system upside down, tomorrow your best guess that might not be dreadful enough. The one thing that is absolutely sure in today date is things are out of control, blame who you will but have a good look into the mirror first.

[Rookies]

Nothing good will ever come from this reply.

I am NEVER shocked about how much goes so despicably south here! :mad: :ThmbDown:

[mostpost]

Despicable and repugnant, no doubt, and these Sharia scum truly deserve to be eradicated from the face of the earth. But let the record show that here in the good old "moral" USA, 90% of Down Syndrome babies are being aborted and denied their God-given right to life.
That 90% is a very disputed figure. Let me put that another way; 90% is wrong. The most reputable studies put the percentage between 30% and 35%.

Also, how is it wrong to abort a baby because that baby has Down Syndrome, yet perfectly all right to kill innocent Muslims because a few are terrorists?

[Greyfox]

That 90% is a very disputed figure. Let me put that another way; 90% is wrong. The most reputable studies put the percentage between 30% and 35%.


Agreed.:ThmbUp:

[mostpost]

I rarely agree with things said by Tom, but you are twsiting his words here. He is talking of the big stick policy here, specifically because countries in the Middle east like Saudi, Qatar, UAE have done NOTHInG against ISIS neither have they taken in even orphan Syrian or refugees, so they need to stop their implicit support, STOP their war on Shia people, stop bombing Yemen and change their focus to the elimination of the ISIS ideology and the in ground ISIS militia.
Thinking objectively will help, rather than toeing some party line all the time. Sheesh.

This guy (left leaning, TV president) conveys the message correctly.

https://youtu.be/1Z7HxDB9kLU

1Z7HxDB9kLU

pattern bombing
The systematic covering of a target area with bombs uniformly distributed according to a plan.
Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. US Department of Defense 2005.
Pattern bombing is what Tom wants to do, and he wants to do it with nuclear weapons. He doesn't just want to do it where we know ISIS is. He wants to do it where we "Think" they are; with no thought for innocent men, women or children in the area. On the other hand, "With no thought" describes most of Tom's posts.

[mostpost]

there will be an Islamic State comprising of western Iraq and eastern Syria.

Iraq will be split into at least 3 nations , Syria at least 2.

you can't force people over there to live together, when Israel, Yugoslavia is not forced too.
A three state Iraq has been proposed many times by Joe Biden. An autonomous federation consisting of a Sunni state, a Shia state, and a Kurdish state. The idea is universally ridiculed by the right; which proves it is a good idea. There should be an independent Jewish state in Israel with some border modification; and an independent Palestinian state primarily in Gaza. Unfortunately, all of those people are too pigheaded and stubborn. They would rather live in fear and misery than let their enemies have any happiness.

[cj's dad]

The US has to start killing people in the ME- case closed

[Tom]

Also, how is it wrong to abort a baby because that baby has Down Syndrome, yet perfectly all right to kill innocent Muslims because a few are terrorists?

You would have to ask OBAMA, seeing how that is exactly what he has been doing with drones.

Let me know what he tells you.

[sammy the sage]

You would have to ask OBAMA, seeing how that is exactly what he has been doing with drones.

Let me know what he tells you.

so now you're an O-man CLONE w/that so NOT clever dodge of an answer :lol: :D

[Tom]

I've answered that many time before.
When you start a war, you are going to get YOUR people killed.
That is not my problem, that is THEIR problem.

We targeted civilians and non-military targets in WWII and we won.
War sucks, don't start one if you cant' take the reprisals.
Many innocent people are going to have to die to obliterate terrorism.
If muslims want to prevent that, then THEY better take care of the problems their people are starting.

I have no tipping point for how may innocents will die.
However many it takes.

When the enemy is in your cross hairs, you take the shot.
allah can sort it out later on.

[iceknight]

pattern bombing
The systematic covering of a target area with bombs uniformly distributed according to a plan.
Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. US Department of Defense 2005.
Pattern bombing is what Tom wants to do, and he wants to do it with nuclear weapons. He doesn't just want to do it where we know ISIS is. He wants to do it where we "Think" they are; with no thought for innocent men, women or children in the area. On the other hand, "With no thought" describes most of Tom's posts.I already gave you the root causes. You are taking about the reactions. Notice that for the longest time US didn't intervene in Syria. All the "religion of peace" Arabic countries had lot of opportunity to intervene and fix ISIS early on. They didn't have a problem launching two outright wars on Israel , didn't they? Further ,you are not noting the lack of compassion to refugees by the regimes there. I'm not supporting Tom's idea of the use of nukes but the Arab nations have to engage in both fixing the problem and taking in refugees, BOTH.

[PaceAdvantage]

I am NEVER shocked about how much goes so despicably south here! :mad: :ThmbDown:Why didn't you write that to thaskalos, or whomever it was you are referring to here? You certainly aren't referring to anything I wrote.

Why do you keep coming here, if it's so awful, might I ask...

How old are you (I know how old you are...generally...since I've met you...so that was a rhetorical question...lol)

Are you really this thin-skinned? Are you living in some sort of Canadian bubble where nothing ceases to offend your sensibilities?

Good God man...can we all grow up here and act like we've been here before? :lol:

[thaskalos]

The US has to start killing people in the ME- case closed

Here, PA. Is THIS a "racist" post? :rolleyes:

[thaskalos]

Why didn't you write that to thaskalos, or whomever it was you are referring to here? You certainly aren't referring to anything I wrote.

Why do you keep coming here, if it's so awful, might I ask...

How old are you (I know how old you are...generally...since I've met you...so that was a rhetorical question...lol)

Are you really this thin-skinned? Are you living in some sort of Canadian bubble where nothing ceases to offend your sensibilities?

Good God man...can we all grow up here and act like we've been here before? :lol:

You think he was referring to ME?

[PaceAdvantage]

Here, PA. Is THIS a "racist" post? :rolleyes:Is it?

[PaceAdvantage]

You think he was referring to ME?You're the one who inspired my reply.

I tire of dealing with all this minutia.

If people don't like off-topic, stop posting in off-topic...if enough people feel the same way, it will die.

Pure capitalism...

[thaskalos]

Is it?

You tell me. YOU are the expert who has been running an online forum for the last 20 years. Read the post again...and tell me if you are proud to have such things displayed on "your site".

Raybo's "racism" remark was highly offensive to you. How do you feel about the racist connotations of this post right here?

[thaskalos]

You're the one who inspired my reply.

I tire of dealing with all this minutia.

If people don't like off-topic, stop posting in off-topic...if enough people feel the same way, it will die.

Pure capitalism...

Or, better yet...why not stop posting entirely. :ThmbUp:

[Tom]

You tell me. YOU are the expert who has been running an online forum for the last 20 years. Read the post again...and tell me if you are proud to have such things displayed on "your site".

I don't see how that post as written can be construed as racist.
YOUR president is actively killing people in the middle east with his drones.
Are you proud of that?

We know ISIS has tens of thousands of member in the ME.....is not not logical that we need to be killing them? Many of them?

[Show Me the Wire]

Rookies, PA asked:

Are you living in some sort of Canadian bubble where nothing ceases to offend your sensibilities?

Now I ask, were your offended, by the fact, your new Prime-minister banned Christians from his liberal party, telling them they need not apply? How about if he told devout Muslims the same?

[TJDave]

Now I ask, were your offended, by the fact, your new Prime-minister banned Christians from his liberal party, telling them they need not apply? How about if he told devout Muslims the same?

I don't follow Canadian politics. Could you elaborate?

[PaceAdvantage]

Or, better yet...why not stop posting entirely. :ThmbUp:Hey man, it's a free country. You can do whatever you like.

[Show Me the Wire]

Do whatever you think is best.

I think he meant for you to stop posting.

[PaceAdvantage]

I think he meant for you to stop posting.I'm not in the business of mind reading. But I'm fairly certain, reading his words as written, he was referring to those that *I* said should stop posting in OFF-TOPIC if they feel this isn't for them.

He extended that to the entire website, as if people should leave here entirely...whatever...

[Show Me the Wire]

I don't follow Canadian politics. Could you elaborate?

On what? Rookies knows what I am talking about.

[PaceAdvantage]

BTW, for handicappers, the lot of you complaining have some very thin skin. I hope you're frequent winners, because if not, you must be THIS CLOSE to jumping off a bridge every time you hit a losing streak the way you act here.

[TJDave]

On what?

You said the liberal party was banning Christians.

[Show Me the Wire]

You said the liberal party was banning Christians.

I said the new prime-minster told them not to apply, which is effectively a ban. There is nothing to elaborate about, especially the question to Rookies about if his sensibilities were offended by his new prime-minster's statements.

[PaceAdvantage]

To all the left-leaners who are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO offended by off topic. I just made ManU918 a moderator.

He's a self-professed liberal.

Carry on.

[Tom]

Wow, Canada down the toilet.
Used to have tons of respect for them.
No more.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-bans-music-festival-from-city-square-over-christian-songs

The new Fascist government is opposed to having Christian music played in public. Guess it might offend the new citizen-terrorist they just welcomed.

I'll do my part.
No more supporting of Woodbine.
Screw Toronto to Hell.

[TJDave]

I said the new prime-minster told them not to apply, which is effectively a ban. There is nothing to elaborate about, especially the question to Rookies about if his sensibilities were offended by his new prime-minster's statements.

No, you actually said banning Christians.

I figured you were being evasive for a reason so I looked it up.

[TJDave]

Wow, Canada down the toilet.
Used to have tons of respect for them.
No more.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-bans-music-festival-from-city-square-over-christian-songs

The new Fascist government is opposed to having Christian music played in public. Guess it might offend the new citizen-terrorist they just welcomed.

I'll do my part.
No more supporting of Woodbine.
Screw Toronto to Hell.

What is Christian music...Silent Night?

[mostpost]

You said the liberal party was banning Christians.Here is what is happening, since you clearly will not get a straight answer from Showmethewire. Justin Trudeau said that he expects party members to not be anti abortion in their votes and public pronouncements.

This is similar to the way in which Republican leaders in this country expect all of their members to be anti Obama in every aspect or they will be replaced by a Tea Party member.

Abortion is one aspect of Christianity. All Christians do not agree on the issue. Showmethewire makes it seem like Trudeau is banning people for believing in Jesus Christ or for celebrating Christmas. In fact he is not banning anybody.

Still, it was a heavy handed way to achieve unanimity on any subject and should be rethought. But, no one has been banned from anything.

[Show Me the Wire]

No, you actually said banning Christians.

I figured you were being evasive for a reason so I looked it up.

Read the rest of my original statement, not just a phrase from the statement. My question is based on his new prime-minster's statement and if the statement offended sensibilities.

My question was very clear and my answer to you was just as clear. Why don't you let Rookies answer for himself?

[Show Me the Wire]

Here is what is happening, since you clearly will not get a straight answer from Showmethewire. Justin Trudeau said that he expects party members to not be anti abortion in their votes and public pronouncements.

This is similar to the way in which Republican leaders in this country expect all of their members to be anti Obama in every aspect or they will be replaced by a Tea Party member.

Abortion is one aspect of Christianity. All Christians do not agree on the issue. Showmethewire makes it seem like Trudeau is banning people for believing in Jesus Christ or for celebrating Christmas. In fact he is not banning anybody.

Still, it was a heavy handed way to achieve unanimity on any subject and should be rethought. But, no one has been banned from anything.

It is more that heavy handed it is totalitarian, there is no room for independent thought. Telling someone that they need not apply is more than expecting people to act a certain way.

Also, in no way did I imply or make it seem he is banning people from celebrating Christmas or believing in Jesus.

I asked a simple straight forward question to Rookies, let Rookies answer for himself, without trying to disparage and discredit me with your perceived views.

[TJDave]

Read the rest of my original statement, not just a phrase from the statement. My question is based on his new prime-minster's statement and if the statement offended sensibilities.

My question was very clear and my answer to you
was just as clear. Why don't you let Rookies answer for himself?

I'm not interested in Rookies response. You said something that piqued my curiosity. I asked you about it.

Turns out the Liberals are purging candidates who are anti-gay and anti-abortion.

[Tom]

It is more that heavy handed it is totalitarian, there is no room for independent thought.

The American translation for that is democrat.

[Tom]

Turns out the Liberals are purging candidates who are anti-gay and anti-abortion.

Who's next, Jews, Gypsies, the mentally ill.......yabol!

[Show Me the Wire]

I'm not interested in Rookies response. You said something that piqued my curiosity. I asked you about it.

Turns out the Liberals are purging candidates who are anti-gay and anti-abortion.

Using your critical thinking skills from your classical liberal education, and extrapolating thereon would traditional Christians be purged from the party?

[TJDave]

Using your critical thinking skills from your classical liberal education, and extrapolating thereon would traditional Christians be purged from the party?

Sure. Also traditional Jews, Muslims and bigots all.

It's not like they're being excluded from the political process, though. There is another party that will welcome them and come election time they can vote for whomever. Win-Win

[Show Me the Wire]

Sure. Also traditional Jews, Muslims and bigots all.

It's not like they're being excluded from the political process, though. There is another party that will welcome them and come election time they can vote for whomever. Win-Win

True, to an extant, but my question to Rookies has nothing to do with anything you posted. My question was about the prime-minister's exclusionary statements.

I did not say any group was excluded from the Canadian political progress or Canadians being deprived to participate in the political process. My question, to Rookies, was not about Canada's political process, nor if the prime-minister is right or wrong, but about the exclusionary remarks from the new prime-minister toward people with differing beliefs, telling them they need not apply. Neither did I state as mostie suggested there is a witch hunt against Christians.

I asked Rookies about his sensibilities being offended by certain groups, (Christians and devout Muslims), being effectively excluded by the new prime-minster's purge policy of his political party.

[TJDave]

My question, to Rookies, was not about Canada's political process, nor if the prime-minister is right or wrong, but about the insensitive remarks from the new prime-minister toward people with differing beliefs.

Insensitive remarks? Could you post a link, please?

[Show Me the Wire]

Sure. Also traditional Jews, Muslims and bigots all.

It's not like they're being excluded from the political process, though. There is another party that will welcome them and come election time they can vote for whomever. Win-Win

Would you like to explain the term bigot? Is it a stand alone term or do you mean traditional Jews, Muslims, and I'll Add Christians are bigots? If it is a stand alone category I don't see why bigots would be against abortions, possibly but not necessarily anti-gay.

[Show Me the Wire]

Insensitive remarks? Could you post a link, please?

I changed my comment to exclusionary remark, so not to worry.

[TJDave]

Would you like to explain the term bigot? Is it a stand alone term or do you mean traditional Jews, Muslims, and I'll Add Christians are bigots? If it is a stand alone category I don't see why bigots would be against abortions, possibly but not necessarily anti-gay.

Anyone who is anti-gay is a bigot. I'll let you fill in the blanks.

[_______]

What is Christian music...Silent Night?

O Holy Night.

One of my favorite hymns. The lyrics are by a professed atheist and the music by a Jew. If you think things are complicated now, you should check out 19th Century France.

[Show Me the Wire]

Anyone who is anti-gay is a bigot. I'll let you fill in the blanks.

That is a very bigoted statement, very intolerant of you.

[TJDave]

That is a very bigoted statement, very intolerant of you.

How so?

Explain it to my satisfaction and I'll retract it.

[Show Me the Wire]

How so?

Explain it to my satisfaction and I'll retract it.

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. [emphasis added]

It seems you are intolerant against religious groups holding different opinions than yours, by labeling all of them as bigots.

[TJDave]

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. [emphasis added]

It seems you are intolerant against religious groups holding different opinions than yours.

Bigot:
One who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.

There is no excusing religion.

[Show Me the Wire]

Bigot:
One who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.

There is no excusing religion.

But all Christian sects, I cannot speak for Muslims or Jews, as you are suggesting do not treat gays with hatred and intolerance. For example, my Church is very tolerant, its clergy and hierarchy has many gay men. Neither does my church, by the way which is the largest Christian denomination, teach hatred towards gays. So your comment is intolerant, and qualifies as bigotry, as it paints everyone professing a religion as a bigot.

[TJDave]

I don't care about religion. Those who are anti-gay are bigots...regardless of religious beliefs.

[Tom]

I don't care about religion. Those who are anti-gay are bigots...regardless of religious beliefs.

And those who are anti-anti-abortion are as well.

[TJDave]

And those who are anti-anti-abortion are as well.

No. The only person who has a vote is the one who is pregnant...period.

[thaskalos]

No. The only person who has a vote is the one who is pregnant...period.

What...you mean to tell me that we grizzled old men don't have the right to tell a pregnant lady what to do? :confused:

[Tom]

They have the right to protect the unborn.
Period.

Funny how you guys are afraid to stand up to terrorism but more than ready to attack defenseless babies.

Take a big set of raisins.

[classhandicapper]

What...you mean to tell me that we grizzled old men don't have the right to tell a pregnant lady what to do? :confused:

I never bought this argument.

Men are told they can't judge the morality of abortion because it's not their bodies and they are not women (even though the children being aborted are half theirs) but women seem to do a very good job of pointing out some of the immoral things men do with other women with their own bodies (and rightfully so).

[classhandicapper]

Bigot:
One who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.

There is no excusing religion.

I buy the hatred part. I unquestionably buy it if it's active hate. But I don't buy the intolerance part of it and that's what we are talking about 99% of the time.

There's a bunch of things people do that have nothing to do with sexual preference that I don't like. So I disassociate myself from them. If they were calling me a hater and bigot, destroying my career, taking me to court etc.. trying to force me to tolerate their behavior, it's they that would be way out of line. I'm not saying they can't do whatever they want. I'm just saying stay away from me. My freedom matters too.

That's what some religious people are saying. I'm not quite sure why it matters much to them who is sleeping with who, but their freedom matters.

[boxcar]

Tom trumps.

He does! He trumps the Donald.

[boxcar]

They have the right to protect the unborn.
Period.

Funny how you guys are afraid to stand up to terrorism but more than ready to attack defenseless babies.

Take a big set of raisins.

You will never get the libs to support your idea. They're fully on board with IS's mentality regarding kids with Downs Syndrome. Libs would think that IS would be doing the world a favor...and the kids they murdered.

[boxcar]

No. The only person who has a vote is the one who is pregnant...period.

Wow! What an awesome piece of "logic"!!! :bang: :bang: Taken to its logical conclusion this would mean that no one should have any say in anything that they did not personally experience first hand.

[delayjf]

No. The only person who has a vote is the one who is pregnant...period.

Fine - its her body, so it her decision. Here's a progressive idea, give the male in question (unless they are married) the option of opting out of any responsibility for the child in question. Like your said, her body, her decision, her responsibility...period.

[delayjf]

I don't care about religion. Those who are anti-gay are bigots...regardless of religious beliefs.

No they are not, they are simply making a moral judgment on a specific behavior based on their religious belief. Are people who object to extra marital affairs or worse, child molestation, based on their religion also bigots?

[Tom]

Excellent point.
It is not fair that only the women gets to second guess her decisions.

[Show Me the Wire]

Fine - its her body, so it her decision. Here's a progressive idea, give the male in question (unless they are married) the option of opting out of any responsibility for the child in question. Like your said, her body, her decision, her responsibility...period.

Great suggestion. I am sure some, if not all, progressive people will enthusiastically endorse this idea.

[classhandicapper]

Are people who object to extra marital affairs or worse, child molestation, based on their religion also bigots?

No.

To a liberal, you are a bigot, hater, redneck, extremist, radical, racist, misogynist, obstructionist etc..if you object to something they are in favor of.

If they object to something you are in favor of, it's because you are a bigot, hater, redneck, extremist, radical, racist, misogynist, obstructionist etc..

[Tom]

Great suggestion. I am sure some, if not all, progressive people will enthusiastically endorse this idea.

Why do so many "progressive" people have such "regressive" ideas?

[thaskalos]

No.

To a liberal, you are a bigot, hater, redneck, extremist, radical, racist, misogynist, obstructionist etc..if you object to something they are in favor of.

If they object to something you are in favor of, it's because you are a bigot, hater, redneck, extremist, radical, racist, misogynist, obstructionist etc..
And how do the CONSERVATIVES react when they encounter opposition to "something that they are in favor of"?

Have you found, through your personal experience...that the conservatives are TOLERANT of opinions that conflict with their own? What kinds of epithets do the CONSERVATIVES use to describe those who disagree with them?

There is bigotry and hatred on BOTH sides of the political spectrum, Classhandicapper...and this spin that you always put on things reveals that you are not foreign to this bigotry and hatred yourself.

[Show Me the Wire]

Why do so many "progressive" people have such "regressive" ideas?

You mean like Canada welcoming the Syrian refugees, and making them citizens before they leave the airport and then informing these refugees escaping from a totalitarian regime and violence, that they entered a country that has a bigoted prime-minister who adheres to national socialistic principles of purging people with certain dissenting opinions from his political party.

I don't know.

Could you imagine the uproar from our Canadian neighbors if one of the current Republican presidential candidates said such an exclusionary statement. I can imagine the lectures about how intolerant (bigoted) the candidate is and how the candidate acts just like Hitler :lol:

[TJDave]

You mean like Canada welcoming the Syrian refugees, and making them citizens before they leave the airport and then informing these refugees escaping from a totalitarian regime and violence, that they entered a country that has a bigoted prime-minister who adheres to national socialistic principles of purging people with certain dissenting opinions from his political party.

Sure. Canada and Syria...like two peas in a pod.

Get a grip.

[Tom]

Get a clue.

[TJDave]

Get a brain.

[Show Me the Wire]

Sure. Canada and Syria...like two peas in a pod.

Get a grip.

Two peas in a pod? No.

One has a totalitarian regime and the other a nationally elected leader who is an embarrassment.

[thaskalos]

Two peas in a pod? No.

One has a totalitarian regime and the other a nationally elected leader who is an embarrassment.
WE have a "nationally elected leader who is an embarrassment" too.

[Show Me the Wire]

WE have a "nationally elected leader who is an embarrassment" too.

So I have been told.

As elysiantraveller wisely reminded us you cannot justify something, because the other person is doing same thing. It is just not a good argument. The logic applies to all entities.

Do you disagree with elysiantraveller?

Because we have an embarrassment (your word not mine) for a leader it does not justify Canada having one too.

The commonality is their liberal mindset.

[TJDave]

WE have a "nationally elected leader who is an embarrassment" too.

He is held in high regard by the majority of his party.
Politics is partisan.

[thaskalos]

So I have been told.

As elysiantraveller wisely reminded us you cannot justify something, because the other person is doing same thing. It is just not a good argument. The logic applies to all entities.

Do you disagree with elysiantraveller?

Because we have an embarrassment (your word not mine) for a leader it does not justify Canada having one too.

The commonality is their liberal mindset.

I wasn't talking to elysiantraveler...I was talking to YOU.

IMO...when we talk about the "embarrassing nationally elected leaders" of other countries...we should remember that we have one such leader of our OWN, right here in THIS country.

[Show Me the Wire]

I wasn't talking to elysiantraveler...I was talking to YOU.

IMO...when we talk about the "embarrassing nationally elected leaders" of other countries...we should remember that we have one such leader of our OWN, right here in THIS country.

Obviously, I did not understand your initial one line question.

I answered you honestly according to my faulty understanding, because I agreed with elysiantraveler in the other thread that it is a poor argument. I gave credit to where credit is due for my response.

I don't ever recall personally saying Obama is an embarrassment, I did state in my reply it was your word not mine.

My opinion is Obama is incompetent. An opinion buttressed by his failed policies. I don't believe that he purged or attempted to purge his party of dissenting members or told people with dissenting opinions they need not apply, which is why Trudeau is an embarrassment.

I guess if you personally feel Obama is an embarrassment, it would be disingenuous to point out another country's embarrassment.

If Trudeau turns out to be incompetent too, I will not point that out in fairness as long as Obama is our sitting president.

Fair enough?

[thaskalos]

Obviously, I did not understand your initial one line question.

I answered you honestly according to my faulty understanding, because I agreed with elysiantraveler in the other thread that it is a poor argument. I gave credit to where credit is due for my response.

I don't ever recall personally saying Obama is an embarrassment, I did state in my reply it was your word not mine.

My opinion is Obama is incompetent. An opinion buttressed by his failed policies. I don't believe that he purged or attempted to purge his party of dissenting members or told people with dissenting opinions they need not apply, which is why Trudeau is an embarrassment.

I guess if you personally feel Obama is an embarrassment, it would be disingenuous to point out another country's embarrassment.

If Trudeau turns out to be incompetent too, I will not point that out in fairness as long as Obama is our sitting president.

Fair enough?

My initial post to you wasn't a question; it was a reminding comment.

IMO...Obama isn't just "incompetent". He is the embodiment of the term "embarrassing leader".

The one recurring pre-election promise that Obama kept making was that he would bring TRANSPARENCY to the nation's capital. But, as it turned out...his administration was found to be spying on the American people to a previously unimagined extent...and, under his "leadership", whistleblowers were hunted down more fervorously than they had ever been in the past.

That's hardly what I would call mere "incompetence".

[Show Me the Wire]

My initial post to you wasn't a question; it was a reminding comment.

IMO...Obama isn't just "incompetent". He is the embodiment of the term "embarrassing leader".

The one recurring pre-election promise that Obama kept making was that he would bring TRANSPARENCY to the nation's capital. But, as it turned out...his administration was found to be spying on the American people to a previously unimagined extent...and, under his "leadership", whistleblowers were hunted down more fervorously than they had ever been in the past.

That's hardly what I would call mere "incompetence".

Well I misunderstood your entire post's intent. Sorry about that.

Good points, I forgot about that promise. I actually, didn't pay to much attention to his promises and rhetoric as I could not and did not vote for a Chicago machine politician championed by the late Sen. Kennedy.

Ok I will add maliciously deceptive and liar, which to me is worse than an embarrassment.

[PaceAdvantage]

Did the new moderator get lost on the way to off-topic?

[Show Me the Wire]

Did the new moderator get lost on the way to off-topic?

We are being civil or are you being sarcastic?

[LottaKash]

The one recurring pre-election promise that Obama kept making was that he would bring TRANSPARENCY to the nation's capital. But, as it turned out...his administration was found to be spying on the American people to a previously unimagined extent...and, under his "leadership", whistleblowers were hunted down more fervorously than they had ever been in the past.

[That's hardly what I would call mere "incompetence".

More like a plan, all along ?.... :eek:

[PaceAdvantage]

We are being civil or are you being sarcastic?I guess you missed 126-128

[Show Me the Wire]

Did the new moderator get lost on the way to off-topic?


One policy I would like to suggest. When a poster directs a question to a specific poster, a post, in response, by anyone answering on behalf of the specific poster or questioning the validity or the reason for the question should be deleted, as a matter of policy.

[TJDave]

One policy I would like to suggest. When a poster directs a question to a specific poster, a post, in response, by anyone answering on behalf of the specific poster or questioning the validity or the reason for the question should be deleted, as a matter of policy.

Why not take it to PM?

[Show Me the Wire]

Why not take it to PM?

Because I am a transparent type, unlike Obama. If I was wrong I am sure PA will tell me.

[Greyfox]

One policy I would like to suggest. When a poster directs a question to a specific poster, a post, in response, by anyone answering on behalf of the specific poster or questioning the validity or the reason for the question should be deleted, as a matter of policy.

My Gawd man. PA has enough to do here besides ferreting out who posted questions to who.
That request is unrealistic and public questions should be open to public responses.

[Tom]

He is held in high regard by the majority of his party.

The majority of his party are idiots.

[Tom]

The one recurring pre-election promise that Obama kept making was that he would bring TRANSPARENCY to the nation's capital.

He did.
Everyone can see right though him and his band of bozos.

[Rookies]

My Gawd man. PA has enough to do here besides ferreting out who posted questions to who.
That request is unrealistic and public questions should be open to public responses.

AGREED!

And also, some should stop constantly whining, like little wusses, about the bona fides of the poster entering the fray.