State Breds

[classhandicapper]

Has anyone ever seen or done a study that tried to rank statebreds in the US in terms of the quality of the races restricted to them in each state?

I'm looking for some kind of list like this:

1. Florida
2. California
3. NY
etc...

[Stillriledup]

There's a HUGE difference in real ny breds and ny breds by name. You can get an elite ky sire who has a horse who's a ny bred, so that real horse will skew the stats.

[Tall One]

There's a HUGE difference in real ny breds and ny breds by name. You can get an elite ky sire who has a horse who's a ny bred, so that real horse will skew the stats.


I dont think there's a category/asterix for those results, SRU, but broodmares being board & bred here, and then shipped back out of state (NY, PA, FL, etc...) to foal has been happening since Moses wore short pants. You'd have to re-write the SB rules for a true stat on that.

If I'm understanding what CH is saying, and IMO:

1--NY
2--FL
3--CA
4--MD
5--PA

Illinois used to have a great SB program, but we know what happened there.

[Valuist]

I dont think there's a category/asterix for those results, SRU, but broodmares being board & bred here, and then shipped back out of state (NY, PA, FL, etc...) to foal has been happening since Moses wore short pants. You'd have to re-write the SB rules for a true stat on that.

If I'm understanding what CH is saying, and IMO:

1--NY
2--FL
3--CA
4--MD
5--PA

Illinois used to have a great SB program, but we know what happened there.

True. I would've ranking Illinois 4th in the past, but those days are gone. I would probably rank them 1) Florida 2) California 3) New York

[classhandicapper]

True. I would've ranking Illinois 4th in the past, but those days are gone. I would probably rank them 1) Florida 2) California 3) New York

That's the way I rank the top 3, but after that I am less familiar with the pecking order. I was looking at a race recently and a bunch of the horses had run in statebred races EMD. I had no idea where they fit.

[Stillriledup]

I dont think there's a category/asterix for those results, SRU, but broodmares being board & bred here, and then shipped back out of state (NY, PA, FL, etc...) to foal has been happening since Moses wore short pants. You'd have to re-write the SB rules for a true stat on that.

If I'm understanding what CH is saying, and IMO:

1--NY
2--FL
3--CA
4--MD
5--PA

Illinois used to have a great SB program, but we know what happened there.

I don't know if fla is ahead if calif. also, the actual Cali stallions produce better horses than the ny stallions, but I don't know how they stack up moneywise, Cali doesn't have slot purses so their horses might earn less, so that would be hard to judge.

[Tall One]

True. I would've ranking Illinois 4th in the past, but those days are gone. I would probably rank them 1) Florida 2) California 3) New York


I'm biased somewhat for the NY Bred program, but Ocala area farms are similar to Lexington. Great programs down there, and I shouldn't forget Silver Charm was foaled in FL.. :ThmbUp:

[classhandicapper]

I don't know if fla is ahead if calif. also, the actual Cali stallions produce better horses than the ny stallions, but I don't know how they stack up moneywise, Cali doesn't have slot purses so their horses might earn less, so that would be hard to judge.

On my chart I have CA and FL equal.

It gets tougher to create the pecking order after that because statebreds from some states rarely mix with open horses on the major circuits.

[Mlnolan00]

You might want to seek out the Fact Books TJC publishes each year as a place to start...

For Florida. http://www.jockeyclub.com/factbook/StateFactBook/Florida.pdf
For N.A. http://www.jockeyclub.com/default.asp?section=Resources&area=11

Cheers!

[Valuist]

They used to have those Sunshine Millions matchups and Florida would win year in, year out. California does have a Derby winner in 2014, but overall Florida has been more consistent.