marciano vs Mayweather

[ronsmac]

I know a lot of people don't like Mayweather, and he's not the most exciting fighter to watch since he moved up from Jr. welterweight, but how can anyone objectively say Marciano's 49-0 is more impressive than Mayweather's 48-0. Jersey Joe , Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles, really? Mayweather has been doing it for almost 20 years. What did Rocky have, like 7 title fights?

[TJDave]

but how can anyone objectively say Marciano's 49-0 is more impressive than Mayweather's 48-0.

Who says that?

[ronsmac]

Who says that?
I was looking at a poll on the bleacher report. 62% thought Marciano's record was more impressive. Even if you think Marciano was the better fighter, which I don't, there's no way his record is more impressive.

[TJDave]

I was looking at a poll on the bleacher report. 62% thought Marciano's record was more impressive. Even if you think Marciano was the better fighter, which I don't, there's no way his record is more impressive.

I don't know the average age of bleacher report contributors but I remember Marciano. He was a beloved warrior. I can understand the sentiment...now, mostly imagined. I read the interview with his son. Like father, like son...not.

[PaceAdvantage]

I was looking at a poll on the bleacher report. 62% thought Marciano's record was more impressive. Even if you think Marciano was the better fighter, which I don't, there's no way his record is more impressive.Maybe it was an April Fool's Joke?

[Dr Gonzo]

Well .......... Marciano never ducked Ronda Rousey. :D

[lamboguy]

Marciano beat guys he was never supposed to beat like Jersey Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles. he went undefeated for his career just like Mayweather.

both were the best of the best, hard to say one was better than the other.

[Inner Dirt]

While both are great fighters of their era nether belong on anyone's greatest
fighter of all time list. Both are undefeated due to sub par competition in the era that they fought. Marciano won fights on shear will, he had a good chin and great power for a 190 pounder, and never stopped coming. He had a very short reach, poor footwork and next to no defensive skills. He would have had
trouble beating any of the top ten heavyweights of the 70's

Mayweather earned 48-0 mostly by running away and outpointing opponents.
Almost half his fights have went the distance and most his knockouts came in his first couple years as a pro. Toss him in the 80's and he would pick up quite a few losses.

[Marshall Bennett]

Different era, different weight division, different game. Like comparing apples and oranges.
Since when weren't Jersey Joe, Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore good fighters?

[Inner Dirt]

Different era, different weight division, different game. Like comparing apples and oranges.
Since when weren't Jersey Joe, Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore good fighters?

The deal is Marciano beat Walcott and Moore when both were in their late 30's. Charles already had double digit losses when Marciano beat him. Marciano also sometimes struggled against journeymen fighters that had losing records. Of course you can only beat who is put in front of you and no one accused Marciano of ducking anyone. Marciano also beat an over the hill Joe Louis who had come out of retirement because of tax problems. Marquee wins
against highly regarded opponents in their prime Rocky does not have.

[ronsmac]

Maybe it was an April Fool's Joke?Good one.

[ronsmac]

Different era, different weight division, different game. Like comparing apples and oranges.
Since when weren't Jersey Joe, Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore good fighters?
That's 5 decent fights and all were getting or already old. Mayweather has had titles for 18 yrs and fought 30 title fights. He's defeated some legendary fighters and some really good ones. The 1st Castillo fight is the only real test he's ever had.

[NorCalGreg]

Maybe it was an April Fool's Joke?

LOL he got you back didn't he? Who has Mayweather fought? Ricky Hatton, Zab Judah, Arturo Gatti, a broken down Pacquiao, probably his toughest opponent was Roberto Guerrero. Now he's gonna fight Berto? Why doesn't he fight Triple G? I know he's a welter and triple g's a full middleweight, but they can make it work. Promoters can make anything work. Think of the $$$ THAT would bring in. Andre Berto?? Get real Mayweather.

[ronsmac]

LOL he got you back didn't he? Who has Mayweather fought? Ricky Hatton, Zab Judah, Arturo Gatti, a broken down Pacquiao, probably his toughest opponent was Roberto Guerrero. Now he's gonna fight Berto? Why doesn't he fight Triple G? I know he's a welter and triple g's a full middleweight, but they can make it work. Promoters can make anything work. Think of the $$$ THAT would bring in. Andre Berto?? Get real Mayweather.Plus Genaro Hernandez , Shane Mosely, Delahoya .Diego Corrales who was an undefeated wrecking machine at the time. Marquez who knocked Manny cold, Castillo twice, Canelo and Cotto who are both still champs at higher weights. The guy has beaten everybody, albeit some in boring methodical fashion.

[LottaKash]

Plus Genaro Hernandez , Shane Mosely, Delahoya .Diego Corrales who was an undefeated wrecking machine at the time. Marquez who knocked Manny cold, Castillo twice, Canelo and Cotto who are both still champs at higher weights. The guy has beaten everybody, albeit some in boring methodical fashion.

Ronsmac, I forgotten a bit about those...

Imo, Mayweather, pound for pound, is/was the best of the best, of All-Time..

And at going on 71, I have seen and followed a whole bunch of em, come and go.....

[Johnny V]

The 49-0 statistic to me has really no relevance to much of anything. Rocky the best of his time as a heavyweight perhaps but remember he did not start boxing at all until a relatively old age for a fighter. Floyd arguably the best of his time pound for pound. Both men fought what was in front of them and won and that is all could could ask of any boxer.
The stats that impress me are ones like these. Archie Moore knocked out 131 opponents. Willie Pep, who some say was the best boxer pound for pound that ever lived, won 62 fights in a row, lost one fight and then won the next 73 fights in a row. Pretty impressive stuff.

[ronsmac]

The 49-0 statistic to me has really no relevance to much of anything. Rocky the best of his time as a heavyweight perhaps but remember he did not start boxing at all until a relatively old age for a fighter. Floyd arguably the best of his time pound for pound. Both men fought what was in front of them and won and that is all could could ask of any boxer.
The stats that impress me are ones like these. Archie Moore knocked out 131 opponents. Willie Pep, who some say was the best boxer pound for pound that ever lived, won 62 fights in a row, lost one fight and then won the next 73 fights in a row. Pretty impressive stuff.Funny I used to see Archie Moore at a supermarket in San Diego in the late 80s. The guy looked straight broke, driving a pickup truck that reminded me of Fred Sanford. It was sad.

[Stillriledup]

Rich Eisen asked Ed Oneill (al bundy) about Mayweather and he laughed and said I could name 25 Guys off the top of my head who would Knock out Mayweather.

[cj]

Rich Eisen asked Ed Oneill (al bundy) about Mayweather and he laughed and said I could name 25 Guys off the top of my head who would Knock out Mayweather.

You have to actually hit him to knock him out. That doesn't happen very often.

[Stillriledup]

You have to actually hit him to knock him out. That doesn't happen very often.

That's a good point. He doesn't stand there trading blows like real fighters did back in the day.

[ronsmac]

That's a good point. He doesn't stand there trading blows like real fighters did back in the day.
I'd say Ray Leonard , Willie Pep and Ali were real fighters and they didnt sit there taking punishment for no reason. Jack Johnson fought more than 100 years ago and he figured out taking a lot of punches wasn't necessarily a smart thing. Plus those 25 guys Al Bundy's talking about probably couldn't remember how to tie their shoes by the time they were 50 years old.

[Stillriledup]

I'd say Ray Leonard , Willie Pep and Ali were real fighters and they didnt sit there taking punishment for no reason. Jack Johnson fought more than 100 years ago and he figured out taking a lot of punches wasn't necessarily a smart thing. Plus those 25 guys Al Bundy's talking about probably couldn't remember how to tie their shoes by the time they were 50 years old.

Tying shoes or not, you get credit for fighting. Mayweather gets credit for being smart about the 'fight' game he figured out a way to make tens of millions without actually fighting anyone.

[ronsmac]

Tying shoes or not, you get credit for fighting. Mayweather gets credit for being smart about the 'fight' game he figured out a way to make tens of millions without actually fighting anyone.Nobody was good enough to make him fight. Tyrell Biggs and an old Larry Holmes wanted to box Tyson but Tyson wouldn't let them. Frazier ali 1..Frazier was at the top of his game and could make a fight of it. Guys like Canelo, Pacman, Gatti and Diego Corrales just couldn't do it to Mayweather because he was too good.