The Haskell Invitational

[nads1420]

So we are 2 weeks out figure id start a official thread for all things Haskell.

How do you think the field is going to shape up. Right now we got a match race...


Couple pieces of advise for people coming from out of town. If your driving in the day of from up north take exit 117 off the parkway and go all the way down rt 36, make a right on Joline ave and take the back way into the track.

For people staying the weekend on the Jersey Shore and looking for something to do Saturday night, google a festival called "Clam Fest" in Highlands, which is appx 15 mins from the track. Its a great seafood festival...

[Some_One]

It'll be AP and about 4 other first level allowance types fighting for 2nd prize money. All the other graded horses will find softer spots at Spa and around with prize money fueled by slots.

[alhattab]

Couple pieces of advise for people coming from out of town. If your driving in the day of from up north take exit 117 off the parkway and go all the way down rt 36, make a right on Joline ave and take the back way into the track.



Good luck using exit 117 if it's a really nice Sunday and all the non-horseplayers are heading to Sandy Hook beaches, with the refugees after they close the gates headed down Route 36 in Sea Bright. You might make the 4th race. You gotta use exit 109!

[Robert Fischer]

I'd guess that assuming things go well, American Pharoah will fire a 'brilliant' performance at this track under these conditions.

Pletcher has been getting Stanford to fire big as well. He isn't the quality of AP and Baffert knows the race well, and will have AP ready to run an explosive race, but he still figures a longshot threat.

Other than those two obvious entries, I will have to wait and see.

[nads1420]

im guessing 90 mins to 2 hours from 105 to the track if anyone goes that way

[lamboguy]

i know that the governor, Chris Christie is not much of a Monmouth Park fan, but he did sit with the owner of AMERICAN PHAROAH at the Preakness. i wonder if he will finally make an appearance at Monmouth like prior governors have on this very special event?

[onefast99]

i know that the governor, Chris Christie is not much of a Monmouth Park fan, but he did sit with the owner of AMERICAN PHAROAH at the Preakness. i wonder if he will finally make an appearance at Monmouth like prior governors have on this very special event?
He did two years ago and was booed!

[thespaah]

Good luck using exit 117 if it's a really nice Sunday and all the non-horseplayers are heading to Sandy Hook beaches, with the refugees after they close the gates headed down Route 36 in Sea Bright. You might make the 4th race. You gotta use exit 109!
Exit 109...Hang a left on Newman's Spring Rd( End of ramp). Left on Normandy...Left on Swimming River Rd...Joins with CR 537. Take CR 537 to the Light instead of following 537 go straight ( Port Au Peck Ave) to the back entrance.
Avoid NJ 36.....All the out of towners and GPS people will be using GSP Exit 105 to NJ 36.

[thespaah]

I hope there are some connections that "sound off like they have a pair" and enter. Otherwise, this could turn out to be what I refer to as a "pari-mutuel workout" for AP

[EMD4ME]

I hope there are some connections that "sound off like they have a pair" and enter. Otherwise, this could turn out to be what I refer to as a "pari-mutuel workout" for AP

If 1/100000 were possible instead of 1/20 as the minimum, that's what it would be. I seriously don't think anyone will enter and have any testicular fortitude to take it to AP.

[thespaah]

If 1/100000 were possible instead of 1/20 as the minimum, that's what it would be. I seriously don't think anyone will enter and have any testicular fortitude to take it to AP.
Ya know, I was browsing thru some old programs from the 80's...A lot of them are from Stakes days.
It seemed much more likely that the best older horses were knocking heads from Spring all the way to the end of Belmont's fall meet.
And some even took their best to the Meadowlands....

[EMD4ME]

Ya know, I was browsing thru some old programs from the 80's...A lot of them are from Stakes days.
It seemed much more likely that the best older horses were knocking heads from Spring all the way to the end of Belmont's fall meet.
And some even took their best to the Meadowlands....


The good ole days. Run for the pots. Now, it's sit out to find 1 easy layover spot after another OR prep for 1 stupid day in late oct/early nov. I have grown to detest the breeders cup. Why sacrifice a year's worth of competitiveness for 1 stupid day and a half?

[Robert Fischer]

The Haskell is often a race where a horse runs a really explosive effort. Whether it's the track or what.

Fortunately for AP and Zayat, Baffert has had enough experience there that he knows the ropes.

If AP is happy and healthy we should get the privilege of seing him run a 'brilliant', 'explosive' type of performance, both visually impressive and fast in time.

Should be really cool.

Along that same angle (horse for course/ explosive effort) Pletcher has Stanford who ran fairly explosive in the test run prep for this race @ Mon. He's not in the class of AP but always posts a longshot threat if AP somehow completely fails to fire.

[thespaah]

The good ole days. Run for the pots. Now, it's sit out to find 1 easy layover spot after another OR prep for 1 stupid day in late oct/early nov. I have grown to detest the breeders cup. Why sacrifice a year's worth of competitiveness for 1 stupid day and a half?
I used to look forward to BC every year.
Over the years I have witnessed the gutting of traditional stake races, especially those run in the fall.
I still maintain though that there are simply too many races labeled as Grade 1.
Not only that, there is a plethora of these stakes races with mega inflated purses( Casinos/slots). This leaves connections with the ability to pour over nominations lists and go " well so and so has put his horse in this one. So I'll look at another one"....
Now, being pro business and for free enterprise, I could never begrudge a track management trying to create a "big race day" by staging a Million dollar race for horses that should in reality be in a NW2X..Is it what it is..
This situation has been a pathway for connections to avoid racing against the best of the bunch.....
BTW, This year's BC Classic looks very weak. Most of the best older horses are either hurt or not on form. I thought I saw where Cal Chrome is out for the season. Wonderful.

[EMD4ME]

I used to look forward to BC every year.
Over the years I have witnessed the gutting of traditional stake races, especially those run in the fall.
I still maintain though that there are simply too many races labeled as Grade 1.
Not only that, there is a plethora of these stakes races with mega inflated purses( Casinos/slots). This leaves connections with the ability to pour over nominations lists and go " well so and so has put his horse in this one. So I'll look at another one"....
Now, being pro business and for free enterprise, I could never begrudge a track management trying to create a "big race day" by staging a Million dollar race for horses that should in reality be in a NW2X..Is it what it is..
This situation has been a pathway for connections to avoid racing against the best of the bunch.....
BTW, This year's BC Classic looks very weak. Most of the best older horses are either hurt or not on form. I thought I saw where Cal Chrome is out for the season. Wonderful.

I don't blame the connections either. It's really becoming a "we have the choice of which race to win" situation. Not because a horse is super dominant but because as you said, they'll avoid eachother and make the money.

I used to look forward to the BC too, when it was rotated. In the past few years, I could care less. I don't like the SA course. Too speed favoring on dirt. Hated the POLYCRAP with a passion. It's become a California Cup, not a breeders cup. I too hate to see major Grade 1's like the Jockey Club Gold Cup be deemed a prep. That's a joke.

I really wish NY would take their slot money, create their own Breeders Cup and tell the Breeders Cup to shove it. The Belmont fall Championship meet can become that again. Every year. Why cater to the Breeders Cup? What do they do for NY? Nothing.

[smokinjoe@bp]

i do know that war story recieved an invite.

[nads1420]

If 1/100000 were possible instead of 1/20 as the minimum, that's what it would be. I seriously don't think anyone will enter and have any testicular fortitude to take it to AP.


will same thing happen if he goes to the Travers?

[nads1420]

what does 2nd and 3rd place pay? Id imagine that should bring in some type of competition.

[EMD4ME]

will same thing happen if he goes to the Travers?

No. More like 1/5 LOL. However in the Travers I would see more taking a shot as it's NY and it's the graveyard of favorites. Plus Baffert doesn't do so well at the SPA.

At MTH, I just see whatever pretenders are in there running for 2nd or 3rd. Getting 2nd is worth 200,000, I believe. The Haskell will just be a celebratory jog for AP.

And don't forget, I'm not an AP lover........I admire him a bit but I am not yet impressed by him whatsoever. Nice horsie, just no where near great yet in my humble opinion.

I'd love to see him become "great" but I will be looking for value against him.

Haven't seen the Haskell draw yet, obviously, however I don't see playing against him there. At least not yet. Will be hoping he runs in the Travers (Seriously doubt it) and BC so I can look to maybe play against him there.

Finally, the BC Classic looks so weak right now. He might find the easiest field to beat in years. I'm afraid he'll never be challenged from here on in.

[castaway01]

what does 2nd and 3rd place pay? Id imagine that should bring in some type of competition.

"Someone" will enter, but probably not anyone who give could AP a race (if there's a 3-year-old who could right now). Might have to wait for the BC for that and cross your fingers everyone stays healthy.

[Steve R]

The good ole days. Run for the pots. Now, it's sit out to find 1 easy layover spot after another OR prep for 1 stupid day in late oct/early nov. I have grown to detest the breeders cup. Why sacrifice a year's worth of competitiveness for 1 stupid day and a half?
The Breeders' Cup does seem to have diminished the significance of many historical racing events. To me, equally important is the failure of the series to achieve its initial goals of increasing the fan base and "improving the breed." It may be just a coincidence, but it seems to have done just the opposite. Fan interest continues to wane and it's getting more difficult to find classic distance runners that compare favorably with those of the past. In one sense it's kind of a scam designed to redistribute money from the lower end owners and breeders to the higher end. The majority of BC race winners are skewed to the well-bred, high dollar types. The fees contributed by owners and breeders further down the scale work their way up to the high purses collected by the elites. I'm not suggesting it was intended that way but it appears that's how it has turned out. Frankly, if the Breeders' Cup went away it wouldn't bother me in the least. I guess that's because I'm more interested in the racing than I am the betting.

[EMD4ME]

Frankly, if the Breeders' Cup went away it wouldn't bother me in the least. I guess that's because I'm more interested in the racing than I am the betting.


I hope it goes away. Intentional or not, it has not accomplished what it's visionary set out to do, at least not in the last decade, in my opinion.

Plus, I despise the fact that a horse can win 1 race and that 1 race is the impotus to provide the horse with divisional honors. Horses are fickle. They can have bad days, the surface could be poor (or biased or it could be polytrack) and any number of reasons could cause 1 bad performance.

These honors or awards are yearly but all too often they are decided by 1 race and I simpy don't like that.

The BC cheapens or ruins too many races throughout the year. Not all but many.

[nads1420]

I am not yet impressed by him whatsoever. Nice horsie, just no where near great yet in my humble opinion.



not impressed yet? you have such high standards.. you must be such an evolved horse player

give me a break :rolleyes: :faint:

[Lemon Drop Husker]

I hope it goes away. Intentional or not, it has not accomplished what it's visionary set out to do, at least not in the last decade, in my opinion.

Plus, I despise the fact that a horse can win 1 race and that 1 race is the impotus to provide the horse with divisional honors. Horses are fickle. They can have bad days, the surface could be poor (or biased or it could be polytrack) and any number of reasons could cause 1 bad performance.

These honors or awards are yearly but all too often they are decided by 1 race and I simpy don't like that.

The BC cheapens or ruins too many races throughout the year. Not all but many.

The racing honors aren't a problem of the Breeders Cup but those that give out the rewards.

The Breeders Cup is great for horse racing. Not sure why anybody would believe differently.

[nads1420]

Competitive Edge possible for Haskell

[Valuist]

I hope horsemen who have a top level 3 YO aren't scared off. Curlin looked like a super horse coming off the Preakness win and narrow Belmont loss and he got smoked in the Haskell by Any Given Saturday. Shackleford got beat by Coil in 2011. In recent years, there's been a few ordinary winners (Roman Ruler, Coil & Paynter).

[nads1420]

I hope horsemen who have a top level 3 YO aren't scared off. Curlin looked like a super horse coming off the Preakness win and narrow Belmont loss and he got smoked in the Haskell by Any Given Saturday. Shackleford got beat by Coil in 2011. In recent years, there's been a few ordinary winners (Roman Ruler, Coil & Paynter).


Paynter was a good horse. Far from ordinary.

[Steve R]

...The Breeders Cup is great for horse racing. Not sure why anybody would believe differently.
Simple. It never achieved its goal of an increased fan base, it reduced the significance of a host of previously important historical races and it contributes to an overall reduction in higher class racing because as a singular target for many top horses it encourages more conservative campaigns. And unless you're a hard core racing fan, the TV coverage outside of the races themselves in generally awful. I watch it online and do other things between the races. To the non-racing fan it has to be one of the most boring televised sporting events, which probably explains the usually abysmal ratings.

I would be interested in knowing why it "is great for horse racing."

[nads1420]

they should change the track every year....


what kind of attendance did teh Breeders Cup do in Monmouth in 2007? Wonder how that compares to this years Haskell...

[EMD4ME]

not impressed yet? you have such high standards.. you must be such an evolved horse player

give me a break :rolleyes: :faint:


Tor Ekman, is that you? :lol:

And to answer your question, yes, I am an extremely evolved horse player. I don't like to say that BUT YOU asked so I will humbly tell you, yes, I AM.

I'm getting sick and tired of the people on here who find it in vogue to attack me. You want to disagree? No problem, but slick sarcastic attacks are not given by me, so I would appreciate not getting them back.

Seriously, get a life. One does not elevate one self by attempting to put others down. In this game you elevate yourself by learning everyday, working real hard, and by staying humble. You want to elevate yourself NADS?

Go make a profit on $200,000 wagered (in any time period, never mind 6 months) and then give me a post back.

P.S. I can't say for sure, as I don't know you and I WOULD NEVER stoop down to your level but one would think you are reacting in an emotional way to someone indirectly criticizing your illustrious A.P.

Maybe you need to stop reacting to your heart and maybe learn a thing or two from seasoned horseplayers. This game is to be played with your BRAIN, not your heart.

[EMD4ME]

The racing honors aren't a problem of the Breeders Cup but those that give out the rewards.

The Breeders Cup is great for horse racing. Not sure why anybody would believe differently.

I agree, it is the one's who give out the rewards who are at fault on that.

It's a nice day but it has such a negative impact on so many stakes. If horses really needed to earn their way to a divisional honor, they would race more possibly, they would go up against the co-divisional leader more than once possibly, etc. etc. Former prestigous races are now a semblance of what they used to be because of this.

I won't cry over it as it's not the end of the world to me but it's my 2 cents.

[nads1420]

Tor Ekman, is that you? :lol:

And to answer your question, yes, I am an extremely evolved horse player. I don't like to say that BUT YOU asked so I will humbly tell you, yes, I AM.

I'm getting sick and tired of the people on here who find it in vogue to attack me. You want to disagree? No problem, but slick sarcastic attacks are not given by me, so I would appreciate not getting them back.

Seriously, get a life. One does not elevate one self by attempting to put others down. In this game you elevate yourself by learning everyday, working real hard, and by staying humble. You want to elevate yourself NADS?

Go make a profit on $200,000 wagered (in any time period, never mind 6 months) and then give me a post back.

P.S. I can't say for sure, as I don't know you and I WOULD NEVER stoop down to your level but one would think you are reacting in an emotional way to someone indirectly criticizing your illustrious A.P.

Maybe you need to stop reacting to your heart and maybe learn a thing or two from seasoned horseplayers. This game is to be played with your BRAIN, not your heart.

says the guy who isnt impressed with the first triple crown winner in 37 years... run along now :sleeping:

the guy who has no problem telling you how nothing impresses him and how good he is.... is usually full of crap and just angry and miserable... go scratch

Bam

[EMD4ME]

says the guy who isnt impressed with the first triple crown winner in 37 years... run along now :sleeping:

the guy who has no problem telling you how nothing impresses him and how good he is.... is usually full of crap and just angry and miserable... go scratch

Bam

I'm on here to exchange thoughts, giggles, memories and experiences with human adult horseplayers. I have no interest in versing with childish people looking to feel better about themselves via attacking people on an internet forum. You start a thread, wanting to hear how great A.P. is and when someone indirectly makes one statement about how he is not impressed yet, you attack like a 3 year old. You questioned my betting savy at this game, I answered it with cold numbers. I'm SORRY YOU CAN'T handle the truth. I'm sorry they intimidated you, grow up Hotrod.

I apologize that my logical and cold hard truth response left you with no logical response but additional childish attacks, that's what happens when a child faces an adult in adult conversation.

As for being miserable :lol: ? Check the threads, who leads the forum in laughs and :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ? Doesn't sound like a poster full of misery :D

Btw, is Pebbles your sister?, being that your real name is Bam? :lol:

This has been a complete waste of time. However, just like the other blaster who got all the egg in his face the other day (Video thread-He too started attacking and made accusations. He too was slammed with the cold hard truth), I'm done wasting my time with you as well.

Maybe you can send me a post in the future, when you evolve :lol: as a human.

[nads1420]

I'm on here to exchange thoughts, giggles, memories and experiences with human adult horseplayers. I have no interest in versing with childish people looking to feel better about themselves via attacking people on an internet forum. You start a thread, wanting to hear how great A.P. is and when someone indirectly makes one statement about how he is not impressed yet, you attack like a 3 year old. You questioned my betting savy at this game, I answered it with cold numbers. I'm SORRY YOU CAN'T handle the truth. I'm sorry they intimidated you, grow up Hotrod.

I apologize that my logical and cold hard truth response left you with no logical response but additional childish attacks, that's what happens when a child faces an adult in adult conversation.

As for being miserable :lol: ? Check the threads, who leads the forum in laughs and :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ? Doesn't sound like a poster full of misery :D

Btw, is Pebbles your sister?, being that your real name is Bam? :lol:

This has been a complete waste of time. However, just like the other blaster who got all the egg in his face the other day (Video thread-He too started attacking and made accusations. He too was slammed with the cold hard truth), I'm done wasting my time with you as well.

Maybe you can send me a post in the future, when you evolve :lol: as a human.


um yeah ok. whatever you say bud... the inaccuracies in your accounts are comical... go write another essay on how cool you are now

[EMD4ME]

um yeah ok. whatever you say bud... the inaccuracies in your accounts are comical... go write another essay on how cool you are now

You're embarrassing yourself Nads. I didn't throw opinions or accussations out in my last 2 posts to you. I stated adult facts ALONG with my responses/opinions.

You keep throwing out statements WITHOUT any facts. For example: You accuse of inaccuracies but you fail to state 1 inaccuracy. I don't tout myself. I was attacked by you (you mocked where I am as a horseplayer) and defended myself.

You're lucky I didn't pull out a pic of my ADW stats in my defense.

Quit while your behind.

[nads1420]

You're embarrassing yourself Nads. I didn't throw opinions or accussations out in my last 2 posts to you. I stated adult facts ALONG with my responses/opinions.

You keep throwing out statements WITHOUT any facts. For example: You accuse of inaccuracies but you fail to state 1 inaccuracy. I don't tout myself. I was attacked by you (you mocked where I am as a horseplayer) and defended myself.

You're lucky I didn't pull out a pic of my ADW stats in my defense.

Quit while your behind.


im just curious if i keep responding if you will keep telling us how cool u are and curious as to what your overcompensating for... but damn that American Pharoah, man he isnt impressive... what a bum.

[EMD4ME]

im just curious if i keep responding if you will keep telling us how cool u are and curious as to what your overcompensating for... but damn that American Pharoah, man he isnt impressive... what a bum.

I wasted my last 3 posts overcompensating for this irresistable urge to defend myself vs. an internet troll. (4 including this). I have to admit, it was a poor waste of time. But I'm an adult, I'll fix it now. Goodbye Hotrod.

[nads1420]

I wasted my last 3 posts overcompensating for this irresistable urge to defend myself vs. an internet troll. (4 including this). I have to admit, it was a poor waste of time. But I'm an adult, I'll fix it now. Goodbye Hotrod.



this guy is the coolest... just ask him.. he'll tell ya


:ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[NY BRED]

ONLY QUSTION ON HASKELL DAY IS IF BRUCE AND THE BAND
WILL PROVIDE THE HASKELL THEME SONG AS AGAINST THE RECORDED
VERSION WHICH SOUNDS HORRIBLE ON THE MTH AUDIO SYSTEM.

[Dahoss2002]

EMD4ME.... If AP runs enough more races he will definitely lose at some point...then you can tell us why...as eloquently as you have explained his victories . Besides using him in p4's and p3's , I tried to beat him but cmon man.

[nads1420]

ONLY QUSTION ON HASKELL DAY IS IF BRUCE AND THE BAND
WILL PROVIDE THE HASKELL THEME SONG AS AGAINST THE RECORDED
VERSION WHICH SOUNDS HORRIBLE ON THE MTH AUDIO SYSTEM.


now that would be epic...

[nads1420]

last year I got there 2 hours before the gates opened and barely got a table. Id imagine this year people start lining up at 6 am.

[Tor Ekman]

The most astute horseplayer on the board (according to him, just ask him) coincidentally was the most prominent tout against the first TC winner in 37 years :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess that's one way to lead the this place in laughs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[nads1420]

The most astute horseplayer on the board (according to him, just ask him) coincidentally was the most prominent tout against the first TC winner in 37 years :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I guess that's one way to lead the this place in laughs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


hes just that advanced that we cant see that the first triple crown winner in 37 years is a fugazi.... believe me hes that almighty and all knowing... just ask him he will be more then happy to write a essay on a internet message board about how great he is.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tor Ekman]

Notice how he never posts any selections in advance? It's all red boarding stories as to his excellence as a horseplayer. However, the only tangible evidence we have is his persistent naysaying vs AP.

[EMD4ME]

Notice how he never posts any selections in advance? It's all red boarding stories as to his excellence as a horseplayer. However, the only tangible evidence we have is his persistent naysaying vs AP.


http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115603&page=4&pp=15&highlight=trackattacker

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114153&page=3&pp=15&highlight=tonalist

Are you two brothers?

Don't get spoiled, I won't be responding much anymore....You're credibility is at zero.

Btw, Curlin wasn't on steroids, right Tor? :lol:

Just to top it off....

Here's June's ADW numbers:

CREDITS
DEPOSITS $8,873.50
WINNINGS $48,562.06
REFUNDS $148.20
CANCELS $54.70
ADJUSTMENT $1,174.55
SUBTOTAL $58,813.01 CR.
DEBITS
WAGERS $43,042.10
WITHDRAWALS $15,350.20
IRS WITHHOLDING $0.00
SERVICE CHARGES $0.00
SUBTOTAL $58,392.30 DB.

Yeah, I suck at this and I have no clue what I'm doing. :lol: :lol: :lol:

When you little boys grow up, maybe you can play in my league.

[Tor Ekman]

Like anyone can't type up a supposed ADW account ledger?? Btw, you said Curlin ran the Belmont on Steroids which is not proven for a fact. Lastly, Mr. big time player, why don't you go on record and give us your plays for a day IN ADVANCE to prove your supposed street cred as Mr. Sharpie Big Time Horseplayer putting it through the windows with both hands. Pick a day, any day, any track, and enlighten us with your wizardry. Because all I see is some guy who bad mouthed AP all the way to the triple crown :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Saratoga_Mike]

Btw, you said Curlin ran the Belmont on Steroids which is not proven for a fact.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/sports/othersports/10racing.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0

[Tor Ekman]

That article does not establish exactly when Curlin was on steroids, so it is still just speculation that he ran the Belmont while on steroids.

[nads1420]

Like anyone can't type up a supposed ADW account ledger?? Btw, you said Curlin ran the Belmont on Steroids which is not proven for a fact. Lastly, Mr. big time player, why don't you go on record and give us your plays for a day IN ADVANCE to prove your supposed street cred as Mr. Sharpie Big Time Horseplayer putting it through the windows with both hands. Pick a day, any day, any track, and enlighten us with your wizardry. Because all I see is some guy who bad mouthed AP all the way to the triple crown :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


i love how he keep using "little boys" when he is acting like a 6 year old girl. This guys insecurity is insane. Even if he wins money online woopy. That doesn't change the fact that AP is a great horse. To say AP hasnt impressed you what so ever is the single most retarded statement anyone has ever made.

[Saratoga_Mike]

That article does not establish exactly when Curlin was on steroids, so it is still just speculation that he ran the Belmont while on steroids.

No, you only had the owner basically saying it. Why does it matter? Winstrol doesn't make a horse run faster.

[EMD4ME]

Like anyone can't type up a supposed ADW account ledger?? Btw, you said Curlin ran the Belmont on Steroids which is not proven for a fact. Lastly, Mr. big time player, why don't you go on record and give us your plays for a day IN ADVANCE to prove your supposed street cred as Mr. Sharpie Big Time Horseplayer putting it through the windows with both hands. Pick a day, any day, any track, and enlighten us with your wizardry. Because all I see is some guy who bad mouthed AP all the way to the triple crown :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You and nads are the trolls and Pikers of the century. Can't believe trolls still exist.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=3482329

The reigning Horse of the Year, Curlin, was treated with anabolic steroids last year but was taken off the drugs in January, the New York Times reported on Thursday, citing comments made by Jess Jackson, the majority owner of the colt.

The owner says he was on roids in his championship year, yet you say I'm lying...

I don't like to ruin my price as I actually bet real money, so you will not get selections from me unless it's a massive pool.

As far as ADW stats being typed up. I tried uploading the file, 417K is too big for PA. Care to send me your e-mail and I'll send you the original NYRA statement?

I'm sure,just like my last response to you in the Video Thread....

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124341&page=3&pp=15

Post 36....I will GET Nothing but crickets from you..................

Guaranty you won't send your e-mail address over as we both know this has NOTHING with you verifying any facts.

It's just you and your sister Nads trying to feel better about yourselves attacking posters.

[EMD4ME]

i love how he keep using "little boys" when he is acting like a 6 year old girl. This guys insecurity is insane. Even if he wins money online woopy. That doesn't change the fact that AP is a great horse. To say AP hasnt impressed you what so ever is the single most retarded statement anyone has ever made.

You're embarassing yourself Nads, seriously, you need to grow up.

Seems like you're the one with a few insecurities. Maybe you should start believing in yourself more? That way you won't overcompensate for your insecurities by putting others down illegitimately.....

[EMD4ME]

No, you only had the owner basically saying it. Why does it matter? Winstrol doesn't make a horse run faster.

SaratogaMike....in another thread I stated that Curlin was on steroids at one point in his career.

So, after Tor Ekman started an attack on me and I killed all his accusations with facts, he ran out of things to reply with so he pulled a desperate attempt to show that I have little credibility (by saying that I lied that Curlin was on steroids). I sent him the link in return and all of a sudden his internet access was cut off for a week and couldn't reply :lol: :lol: :lol:

Now, he's still trying desperately to have anything on me, so he's sticking to his claim that I lied about Curlin being on steroids.

I wouldn't waste my time with him....

[Tor Ekman]

cropseymonster@yahoo.com

Let's see actual statement, Mr. Sharpie

[EMD4ME]

cropseymonster@yahoo.com

Let's see actual statement, Mr. Sharpie

I'm shocked! Coming right over.

[Tor Ekman]

Idon't like to ruin my price as I actually bet real money, so you will not get selections from me unless it's a massive pool.
More laughs from Mr. Sharpie, like everyone is going to run to bet along with you and crush your payoffs. What an ego. BTW, I could have predicted that that would be your excuse for not putting up some selections in advance. What a farce you are. Can't see a legit champion horse like AP but yet believes everyone would pound your selections. Go tell some more stories of your childhood days spent at OTB with your dad.

[EMD4ME]

More laughs from Mr. Sharpie, like everyone is going to run to bet along with you and crush your payoffs. What an ego. BTW, I could have predicted that that would be your excuse for not putting up some selections in advance. What a farce you are. Can't see a legit champion horse like AP but yet believes everyone would pound your selections. Go tell some more stories of your childhood days spent at OTB with your dad.

Good one Tor...What's my signature? EMD. How big are the pools there Tor?

Not that big...On their biggest days, $30,000-$40,000 is in the win pool.

An extra $500 can cost me money.

More importantly, I like to pool scope pick 4's and pick 5's, evidenced by me having $250,000 in W-2 G's a year...

Why the heck would I give out selections in advance for EMD or other tracks and cost my self a scope?

But then again, someone like you would never understand that as you probably don't wager real bucks like many real horseplayers do.

[EMD4ME]

cropseymonster@yahoo.com

Let's see actual statement, Mr. Sharpie


Crickets??? No response to having 1000000% proof sent right to your e-mail?

Like I said, you aren't on here to exchange ideas, converse like a human and be an adult.

Your entire agenda is to attack others and feel better about yourself.

Troll exposed.

[EMD4ME]

More laughs from Mr. Sharpie, like everyone is going to run to bet along with you and crush your payoffs. What an ego. BTW, I could have predicted that that would be your excuse for not putting up some selections in advance. What a farce you are. Can't see a legit champion horse like AP but yet believes everyone would pound your selections. Go tell some more stories of your childhood days spent at OTB with your dad.

Where was your response to my input on the Trackattacker (lost at 1/9-huge minus show pool) where I said Prime Engine will crush him on the far turn and Trackattacker will run out???

Where are your responses to me calling Tonalist a LOCK in the Belmont?

You said I never post in advance and only red board.

I provided proof that your allegations are ALLLL 100% BS.

I get crickets in return..

Youre a troll. Grow up.

[Tor Ekman]

If I posted what you sent me that purports to be an "official" NYRA account statement you'd be laughed off the board.

[EMD4ME]

If I posted what you sent me that purports to be an "official" NYRA account statement you'd be laughed off the board.

Nice try...Go ahead post it. We'll ask TLG to verify it.

Go ahead bury yourself.

[EMD4ME]

Like anyone can't type up a supposed ADW account ledger?? Btw, you said Curlin ran the Belmont on Steroids which is not proven for a fact. Lastly, Mr. big time player, why don't you go on record and give us your plays for a day IN ADVANCE to prove your supposed street cred as Mr. Sharpie Big Time Horseplayer putting it through the windows with both hands. Pick a day, any day, any track, and enlighten us with your wizardry. Because all I see is some guy who bad mouthed AP all the way to the triple crown :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

EVERY SINGLE ALLEGATION YOU HAD THE BALLS TO BRING UP, I crushed with facts.
Nads questioned my evolution as a horseplayer, as did you. You said my ADW stats are fabricated....................................
1) You received your undeniably 100% verifiable ADW statement sent to you.

In a feable attempt to question my credibility, YOU said I lied about Curlin being on steroids........................
2) Curlin was proven to be on roids in his championship year by the owner.

You said I NEVER EVER posted any picks in advance...........
3) You were sent links to picks (that were 9/1 and in the other race created $100 show payoffs) that I made well in advance of a race.

You "called BS" when I said crazy drunkards were having sex in the staircases at Belmont........
4) ANOTHER POSTER SAID THAT IS COMPLETELY VIABLE ON THESE DAYS.

5) Now you state the official NYRA rewards statement is FALSE :lol: :lol: :lol: I ask you to POST IT, let's see if other NYRA rewards players and/or TLG can verify it. I dare you to bury yourself further.

There's more but you get the point.

I suggest if you ever speak to me again, you do it with facts.

Enough of this crap.

[EMD4ME]

If I posted what you sent me that purports to be an "official" NYRA account statement you'd be laughed off the board.

Nevermind that I offered to send you the YTD numbers as well.

You ignored that question (by the way the only question) in my e-mail to you.


You're exposed. Go find a new place to Troll.

[EMD4ME]

If I posted what you sent me that purports to be an "official" NYRA account statement you'd be laughed off the board.

By the way, I tried to post it myself but the image size is too BIG. If anyone on here can help me post it, I would appreciate it.

[Tor Ekman]

All those winnings and not a penny withheld by the IRS? I guess sharpies like you get a special deal not having to pay Uncle Sam. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I recall some other post of yours complaining about the amount that Uncle Sam withheld on your winnings, but yet magically Uncle took nothing from you in June. Interesting.

[EMD4ME]

All those winnings and not a penny withheld by the IRS? I guess sharpies like you get a special deal not having to pay Uncle Sam. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I recall some other post of yours complaining about the amount that Uncle Sam withheld on your winnings, but yet magically Uncle took nothing from you in June. Interesting.


I LOVE IT!!! You just buried yourself further Troll...

NYRA rewards doesn't show W-2 G's but how would you know what a W-2 G actually is...NYRA rewards shows W-2 G's with withholding only.... :lol:

I actually have $7,417 in WITHOLDING FOR THE YEAR and over $100,000 in W-2 G's for the year......(I know because I obviously keep track).

I asked you if you wanted the year to date statement in my e-mail but you never responded...

Now we know why, again...Because you're a troll who looks for anyway to discredit others and demean others.

As a gentlemen and without being it being asked for, it will be my pleasure to stick it to you....

and send you the year to date numbers,

Enjoy choking on them when you get them....

By the way, help a tech challenged guy out, could you post them for me on here please? I don't know how to reduce the file size.

If you keep burying yourself, you'll be at the core of the earth soon.

[EMD4ME]

Sent you the year to date, could you help me post them on here?

I can't wait to be laughed at.

[EMD4ME]

All those winnings and not a penny withheld by the IRS? I guess sharpies like you get a special deal not having to pay Uncle Sam. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, I recall some other post of yours complaining about the amount that Uncle Sam withheld on your winnings, but yet magically Uncle took nothing from you in June. Interesting.

Yes, as a NY state resident and city resident with over $200,000 in W-2 G's most years, I am destroyed in taxes as you can NOT write off ALL of your "gambling losses" with the city and state.

The Federal gov't is kind and allows all gambling losses to be deducted from your W-2 G earnings. The state and city use a formula which only allows you to deduct a signifigant portion LESS then what I want to deduct.

It comes out to 2%-3% for each dollar subject to W-2 reporting and it is extremely annoying.

Cuts into profits.

[EMD4ME]

Sent you the year to date, could you help me post them on here?

I can't wait to be laughed at.

Looking forward to

1) Your crickets, just like the Video thread created by PA.

OR

2) Your next "D". D stands for Deflect. Most trolls utilize TDA. Twist Deflect Attack. They rarely if ever speak head on about what's being discussed. They attack and when the victim responds, they twist/deflect or attack into a new subject to avoid the original topic of discussion.

Your kind shouldn't be allowed on here.

[Tor Ekman]

I don't know how to post it either. I'll concede that IF it's a legit statement, then I'd be suitably impressed, but that's a big IF, Georgie Boy, since there is a bogus feel to it - it hardly looks "official" compared to what I get from Twin Spires.

[EMD4ME]

I don't know how to post it either. I'll concede that IF it's a legit statement, then I'd be suitably impressed, but that's a big IF, Georgie Boy, since there is a bogus feel to it - it hardly looks "official" compared to what I get from Twin Spires.

Then ask Delta Lover, TLG, PA or any one else who resides in NY and plays via NYRA Rewards.

That's all you need to do.

[EMD4ME]

I don't know how to post it either. I'll concede that IF it's a legit statement, then I'd be suitably impressed, but that's a big IF, Georgie Boy, since there is a bogus feel to it - it hardly looks "official" compared to what I get from Twin Spires.

What's there not to believe? In NYRA Rewards, you have an option for my account. Then you click on statements. Then you pick the month. Thats why at the top of the screen it says:

Https://wagering.nyrarewards.com/statements

You can't make that up.

I wasn't trying to show anything off. Nads attacked, you attacked, I answered.

That simple.

[nads1420]

this will be my final statement because obviously this EMD4ME dude is a weirdo and will just keep posting on internet message boards non stop cause he got nothing better to do. I dont see why you guys are debating the guys winnings. Who gives a crap? I wasnt debating his gambling stats or whatever. Originally what started this was he said he was not impressed what so ever by American Pharoah. Obviously that is a dumb thing to say. My making fun of him wasnt because he made a dumb comment its because to make such a stupid comment its like - "oh look at me im so smart that even a Triple Crown winner dont impress me, look at me, look at me. Im so smart"

To make a statement like that its just a douchy thing to say and for that i just wanted to point out this guys personality obviously sucks. Obviously by reading the rest of his insecure babbling post it confirms what im saying. Im not looking to get banned so im just gonna shut up now.... cause if i posted what i really wanted to say id probably be banned... not what im looking to do... Back to talking horses

[EMD4ME]

not impressed yet? you have such high standards.. you must be such an evolved horse player

give me a break :rolleyes: :faint:

Nads,

YOU QUESTIONED my evolution as a horse player. So, in return to YOUR unprovoked attack, I decided to stand up for myself. (what a novel concept, right NADS?)

I, do not stand on top of highrises and scream "I am a winning horseplayer". YOU questioned how much I know about this game, I answered.

So, in response to your post above (that I out of nowhere started quoting how good I am at this), I requoted your original attack as a reminder WHY that became a topic of discussion.

As far as other replies to your last post, I will requote your words and reply in a seperate post pal.

Sincerely,

EMD4ME

[EMD4ME]

this will be my final statement because obviously this EMD4ME dude is a weirdo and will just keep posting on internet message boards non stop cause he got nothing better to do. I dont see why you guys are debating the guys winnings. Who gives a crap? I wasnt debating his gambling stats or whatever. Originally what started this was he said he was not impressed what so ever by American Pharoah. Obviously that is a dumb thing to say. My making fun of him wasnt because he made a dumb comment its because to make such a stupid comment its like - "oh look at me im so smart that even a Triple Crown winner dont impress me, look at me, look at me. Im so smart"

To make a statement like that its just a douchy thing to say and for that i just wanted to point out this guys personality obviously sucks. Obviously by reading the rest of his insecure babbling post it confirms what im saying. Im not looking to get banned so im just gonna shut up now.... cause if i posted what i really wanted to say id probably be banned... not what im looking to do... Back to talking horses

1) I have never posted on any INTERNET boards, didn't have internet access till 2007. This is my first foray into the on line world. After dealing with posters like you and Tor Ekman, I honesly don't want to pursue being on here or on any internet forum. I like in person, human, eye to eye contact.

2) Discussion of profitability....YOU BROUGHT it up. See my prior post.

3) Just because I said that A.P. does not impress me, it does not give me a sucky personality. Did you ever think to yourself that if a player that actually wins at this game, isn't impressed with A.P. that maybe this horse isn't the god that people make him out to be???? Maybe if you did, you could learn a thing or two about why and in return, you could make some profit at this game?

3A) A.P.----Nice horse, good horse. Just because he won 3 designated races doesn't make him the second coming of Secretariat, Cigar, GhostZapper, Free House, Forego, Silver Charm, Sunday Silence, Easy Goer, Alysheba and many other horses. I simply have not seen him tested yet by real competition and/or a stressful trip. I said he is a good horse. I CAN NOT, in GOOD CONSCIOUS call this horse GREAT yet. I'm sorry. I can't do it. Is his accimplishment wonderful? Abso F'n Lutely. It was very nice that he won the Triple Crown. I stand by everything I said about him. His Derby win was unimpressive as he had 10 horses get screwed at the gate, sat off 2 not amazing horses with a soft 3 wide trip and was all out to win (some say he bounced in that race and stil won-I respect that and it COULD BE TRUE). He beat a handful of potatoes in the Preakness and any intelligent handicapper know the Belmont was a boat race and hence, was NOT a soul entrenching AWESOME victory.

4)You keep mentioning insecurity Nads. Not sure if you went to school or ever studied psychology but that is called "projection".

Regardless of all, no hard feelings.

In any aspect of life, it's important to know what you did well, what you could've done better and what you should avoid.

Thru this experience, I learned to not deal with internet trolls thanks to you.

Not sure if you will but I recommend you digest these interactions so maybe you can further yourself as a human being.

P.S. If you disagreed with my statement about A.P. that is fine. I am all for that, that is why I am on here, to sharpen myself, to see other view points. To learn from others. To interact and discuss and maybe see something I missed HOWEVER, personal assuaults, I will not tolerate. I suggest if you ever disagree with someone, you state so and not attack in return.

[EMD4ME]

this will be my final statement because obviously this EMD4ME dude is a weirdo and will just keep posting on internet message boards non stop cause he got nothing better to do. I dont see why you guys are debating the guys winnings. Who gives a crap? I wasnt debating his gambling stats or whatever. Originally what started this was he said he was not impressed what so ever by American Pharoah. Obviously that is a dumb thing to say. My making fun of him wasnt because he made a dumb comment its because to make such a stupid comment its like - "oh look at me im so smart that even a Triple Crown winner dont impress me, look at me, look at me. Im so smart"

To make a statement like that its just a douchy thing to say and for that i just wanted to point out this guys personality obviously sucks. Obviously by reading the rest of his insecure babbling post it confirms what im saying. Im not looking to get banned so im just gonna shut up now.... cause if i posted what i really wanted to say id probably be banned... not what im looking to do... Back to talking horses

One last thing, Andy Beyer also wasn't impressed by A.P. Now, I am not saying Andy Beyer is god. He has his faults as do his numbers but I am not in "DUMB" company as you state.

Like I said when we first started interacting....

Winning horseplayers play with their brain NOT their heart. You should take THAT to heart....

[thespaah]

they should change the track every year....


what kind of attendance did teh Breeders Cup do in Monmouth in 2007? Wonder how that compares to this years Haskell...
Monmouth was set up to handle over 60,000 for BC Day. Unfortunately teh weather turned unusually cold for that time of year and it rained a bunch. Ironically, the weekend before was unusually mild ( 70's) ..
With cold weather affecting the BC at AQU in 1985, Belmont on 1990( sunny but some 15 degrees below normal) Monmouth in '07, the Breeders Cup people have been spooked. Hence the reason why Santa Anita is getting the bulk of BC dates.
Keeneland can quite cold in late October....I hope the weather works out this year.

[burnsy]

One last thing, Andy Beyer also wasn't impressed by A.P. Now, I am not saying Andy Beyer is god. He has his faults as do his numbers but I am not in "DUMB" company as you state.

Like I said when we first started interacting....

Winning horseplayers play with their brain NOT their heart. You should take THAT to heart....


You should of left it at that because its the only thing that made any sense in that feud. You just stated the key to betting on ANYTHING! Here's the thing I learned about the internet because I got booted from another site dealing with these types. I call them the "cheerleaders". You know, I'm gonna go out on a limb and tell you how AP is going to win for fun."

Gee, thanks for the important info. That's something that will really get me a price and I had no clue he was any good...... :bang: Its alright if they make one or two comments but they will go on and on like this is the only horse worth talking about and if you even have a contrary opinion.....they are offended and attack you. "Can't lose!"....well, you and I know how that usually goes. The fact that the horse will pay 20 cents if he wins is of no concern to them, its the only horse that matters. To me, these horses are good but as a gambler I can't get much mileage out of them...its a good race to watch unless I feel they are vulnerable. Most of these types have not been betting for a long time or they only bet chalk because they are not sophisticated enough to figure out the nuances of this game. Here's a clue, if they are asking about the 2007 Breeders Cup at Monmouth. How much experience do they have playing horses? That's usually the case, just ignore it........Its to the point where I can usually tell who can handicap and who can't, just by the way they post. The cheerleader types are not worth listening to and I totally know where you are coming from. So what you were not impressed...end of story, I get it. I said that about Uncle Mo and got crucified....then when it turned out like I said it would.....well, lets just say my kind was not appreciated around anymore. Because I stated I was not playing horses to argue over horses that are 3 to a nickel.....
They said I didn't appreciate their site...and for sure I didn't, it was pretty useless.....I said...

[EMD4ME]

[/B]

You should of left it at that because its the only thing that made any sense in that feud. You just stated the key to betting on ANYTHING! Here's the thing I learned about the internet because I got booted from another site dealing with these types. I call them the "cheerleaders". You know, I'm gonna go out on a limb and tell you how AP is going to win for fun."

Gee, thanks for the important info. That's something that will really get me a price and I had no clue he was any good...... :bang: Its alright if they make one or two comments but they will go on and on like this is the only horse worth talking about and if you even have a contrary opinion.....they are offended and attack you. "Can't lose!"....well, you and I know how that usually goes. The fact that the horse will pay 20 cents if he wins is of no concern to them, its the only horse that matters. To me, these horses are good but as a gambler I can't get much mileage out of them...its a good race to watch unless I feel they are vulnerable. Most of these types have not been betting for a long time or they only bet chalk because they are not sophisticated enough to figure out the nuances of this game. Here's a clue, if they are asking about the 2007 Breeders Cup at Monmouth. How much experience do they have playing horses? That's usually the case, just ignore it........Its to the point where I can usually tell who can handicap and who can't, just by the way they post. The cheerleader types are not worth listening to and I totally know where you are coming from. So what you were not impressed...end of story, I get it. I said that about Uncle Mo and got crucified....then when it turned out like I said it would.....well, lets just say my kind was not appreciated around anymore. Because I stated I was not playing horses to argue over horses that are 3 to a nickel.....
They said I didn't appreciate their site...and for sure I didn't, it was pretty useless.....I said...


Hey Burnsy,

Appreciate the feedback. Unfortunately, you need to experience to learn I guess. Sorry to hear you were booted out elsewhere for not loving Uncle Mo.......

I have no ill feelings towards those 2 cheerleaders. They are what they are and I wish them the best in their future endeavors.

Thanks again for the feedback,

EMD4ME

[Secondbest]

EMD4ME

FREE HOUSE?

[onefast99]

Monmouth was set up to handle over 60,000 for BC Day. Unfortunately teh weather turned unusually cold for that time of year and it rained a bunch. Ironically, the weekend before was unusually mild ( 70's) ..
With cold weather affecting the BC at AQU in 1985, Belmont on 1990( sunny but some 15 degrees below normal) Monmouth in '07, the Breeders Cup people have been spooked. Hence the reason why Santa Anita is getting the bulk of BC dates.
Keeneland can quite cold in late October....I hope the weather works out this year.MP brought in extra grandstands to handle that crowd that never materialized for the BC in 2007. The place will be packed some estimate 70000 I think more in the 48000 range. It will be a great day for racing no doubt.

[Secondbest]

Does anybody know what the undercard looks like?

[onefast99]

Does anybody know what the undercard looks like?
Matchmaker 150k
Monmouth Cup 200k
Oceanport 150k
Teddy Drone 100k
Lady's Secret 100k

There will probably be 14 races 6 stakes and 6 assorted mostly allowance races/optional claimers with about three of those being jbred races. There will be 2 claiming races also most likely the 1st and last race of the day. Early post is 12 noon.

[Secondbest]

Matchmaker 150k
Monmouth Cup 200k
Oceanport 150k
Teddy Drone 100k
Lady's Secret 100k

There will probably be 14 races 6 stakes and 6 assorted mostly allowance races/optional claimers with about three of those being jbred races. There will be 2 claiming races also most likely the 1st and last race of the day. Early post is 12 noon.
thanks

[classhandicapper]

I have a tough time understanding why some people aren't impressed by American Pharoah.

1. There were a lot of sharp handicappers that didn't like him in the Belmont because he ran too fast on their figures in the Derby and they were expecting him to tail off and bounce. So the idea that he is slow is dependent on whose figures you are looking at.

2. His trip in the Derby wasn't difficult. He was outside on a day when the outside paths were generally pretty good. But he lost a ton of ground and that was generally regarded as one of the strongest Derby fields in years. He ran very well that day.

3. The Preakness was a mess, but he cut a blistering pace that day putting away the field and winning with a lot left in the tank. The subsequent performances of the chasers like Mr Z and to a lesser extent Divining Rod verified how well he ran that day too. He crushed them. Dortmund will tell us even more if he can regain his best form.

4. The Belmont wasn't as easy as it looked. Even though he was loose, he repulsed 3 separate bids by quality horses and won with a lot left in the tank.

You can only beat who they put in front of you and no one is going to go out of their way to get an extremely difficult trip just to satisfy handicappers. He totally dominated what appeared to be an above average group of 3yos all spring. All that's really left to see is whether he continues to develop and can dominate the late bloomers and older horses too.

[EMD4ME]

EMD4ME

FREE HOUSE?


I was off memory listing horses that were considered great. I meant to really say Medaglia D'oro as well. Both Free House and D'oro knocked heads and I mean knocked heads in pace battles, mid race battles with some really fine horses.

I don't want to get into the A.P. discussion if you don't mind. I said what I said, everyone has their own opinion. I am not wowed just yet. Maybe I will love A.P. in 3 months. I don't hate the horse. I am just not madly in love with him just yet.

I'll leave it at that.

[ultracapper]

Free House was a tough horse. I always liked betting him. He always gave you your money's worth.

[alhattab]

they should change the track every year....


what kind of attendance did teh Breeders Cup do in Monmouth in 2007? Wonder how that compares to this years Haskell...

Attendance for BC Saturday at Mth was 37,000. Total announced attendance for the 2 days was 70k. It wasn't cold. the BC site says it was 60 but not on which day it was 60. it rained like crazy on Friday. Downpours. I recall watching Nownownow win the Juvy grass race in a driving rainstorm. Saturday it rained but the sun came out late in the card. It was sad. SRU is right it was beautiful the weekend before. The last weekend on
October is cursed around here. First the BC, then Halloween that was cancelled due to snow and ice, then Sandy.

Mth's official attendance record is 53k for The 2003 Haskell featuring Funny Cide. My guess is that the most people in the place at any one time was 45k. The Haskell attracts spinners as you probably know Nads. And some people come and leave before the feature. Doubt that will happen in two weeks.

[alhattab]

Matchmaker 150k
Monmouth Cup 200k
Oceanport 150k
Teddy Drone 100k
Lady's Secret 100k

There will probably be 14 races 6 stakes and 6 assorted mostly allowance races/optional claimers with about three of those being jbred races. There will be 2 claiming races also most likely the 1st and last race of the day. Early post is 12 noon.

First post is 11:30 last I saw.

[Secondbest]

I was off memory listing horses that were considered great. I meant to really say Medaglia D'oro as well. Both Free House and D'oro knocked heads and I mean knocked heads in pace battles, mid race battles with some really fine horses.

I don't want to get into the A.P. discussion if you don't mind. I said what I said, everyone has their own opinion. I am not wowed just yet. Maybe I will love A.P. in 3 months. I don't hate the horse. I am just not madly in love with him just yet.

I'll leave it at that.
Nothing about AP. I was just surprised you mentioned free house in the same sentence as forego and ghostzapper.

[Secondbest]

I was off memory listing horses that were considered great. I meant to really say Medaglia D'oro as well. Both Free House and D'oro knocked heads and I mean knocked heads in pace battles, mid race battles with some really fine horses.

I don't want to get into the A.P. discussion if you don't mind. I said what I said, everyone has their own opinion. I am not wowed just yet. Maybe I will love A.P. in 3 months. I don't hate the horse. I am just not madly in love with him just yet.

I'll leave it at that.
Nothing about AP. I was just surprised that you mentioned free house in the same sentence as Forego and Ghostzapper.

[EMD4ME]

Nothing about AP. I was just surprised that you mentioned free house in the same sentence as Forego and Ghostzapper.

Oh I agree, Forego and GZ are in a different world OVER Free House.

Was just making a point and it's coincidental they were in the same sentence.

If that makes sense.

[EMD4ME]

So, Competitive Edge, is now confirmed for the Haskell. Thoughts?

Any other horses confirmed that anyone knows of?

[Secondbest]

War story might go

[classhandicapper]

Mr Jordan is probably going to go also. So if both Competitive Edge and Mr. Jordan go, at least we won't have to worry about AP walking on the lead.

It's not looking like it's going to be a great field, but that's not unexpected. The Jim Dandy and West Virginia Derby are also being held that weekend. No one signficant is going to run against AP if they can run for the winner's share of 600K and 750K in those other races. Had Baffert opted for the Jim Dandy or the WVD, those races would have a 4 horse field and the Haskell would be loaded. This is what happens when you have a great horse and the competition has alternatives like they do in the modern game. The great horse faces horses running for a piece of the purse while praying the great horse has a bad day. You can't hold that against AP. Everyone that wants a piece of him knows where he is. They're all running away.

[onefast99]

First post is 11:30 last I saw.
Just saw that thanks for the update.