View Full Version : Unintended consequences of same-sex marriage ruling?
Clocker
07-01-2015, 03:28 PM
A primary basis for the SCOTUS ruling on same-sex marriage is the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, including the argument that a state must recognize the marriage of a couple married in another state.
So if I have a concealed carry permit from my state of residence, how can another state not recognize it under the 14th Amendment?
The Court says in this case that marriage is a fundamental right. The Court ruled in District of Columbia vs. Heller that 2nd Amendment rights are fundamental.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/27/same-sex-ruling-sets-up-national-reciprocity-for-concealed-carry/
Great point.
How can the Clown Court wiggle out of this, when it is obviously the exact same thing?
btw, just heard that Mississippi is now considering stopping issuing marriage licenses to anyone at all. Their right, of course.
Clocker
07-01-2015, 03:52 PM
Great point.
How can the Clown Court wiggle out of this, when it is obviously the exact same thing?
btw, just heard that Mississippi is now considering stopping issuing marriage licenses to anyone at all. Their right, of course.
I guess Obama will just have to set up a Federal Wedding Exchange to issue national licenses. The feds claim that they own marriage now, let them deal with it. Then anyone wanting a divorce will have to go to federal court also.
5 day waiting period on all marriage licenses.
Background checks, you must register your wife......sounds good to me.
boxcar
07-01-2015, 04:26 PM
5 day waiting period on all marriage licenses.
Background checks, you must register your wife......sounds good to me.
And if any kids are brought to the marriage, they'll all need to pass rigorous physical exams. You might as well bring Obamination Care into the act.
_______
07-01-2015, 04:35 PM
Marriage licenses, like a drivers license or hunting license, is a basic function of government. There really is no option for them to get out of the business.
There were similar protestations after Loving V. Virginia overturned bans on miscegenation (a lovely old word for racial intermarriage) in 1967. Like then, I expect after a few heated weeks where everyone airs their feelings, we'll all get used to the new normal.
Imagine if a conservative Muslim clerk refuse to issue drivers licenses to women because it conflicted with his religious beliefs. We, rightfully, would not make a cut out for his beliefs in a basic government service. We aren't going to make special accommodations here either.
Clocker
07-01-2015, 04:54 PM
Marriage licenses, like a drivers license or hunting license, is a basic function of government. There really is no option for them to get out of the business.
You don't need a license in states that recognize common law marriage. A state could get out of the business by just saying that common law is all that the state is going to do. People that wanted or needed a piece of paper could get a marriage certificate from a church or sign a generic civil contract and have it notarized.
You need a drivers license to drive on public roads. The idea that you need government permission to marry is nuts.
_______
07-01-2015, 05:20 PM
You don't need a license in states that recognize common law marriage. A state could get out of the business by just saying that common law is all that the state is going to do. People that wanted or needed a piece of paper could get a marriage certificate from a church or sign a generic civil contract and have it notarized.
You need a drivers license to drive on public roads. The idea that you need government permission to marry is nuts.
Fair point, Clocker.
I stil doubt you'll see this go beyond talking points to where any state actually stops issuing licenses.
therussmeister
07-01-2015, 05:39 PM
You don't need a license in states that recognize common law marriage. A state could get out of the business by just saying that common law is all that the state is going to do. People that wanted or needed a piece of paper could get a marriage certificate from a church or sign a generic civil contract and have it notarized.
You need a drivers license to drive on public roads. The idea that you need government permission to marry is nuts.
What the government is giving permission is to take advantage of the hundreds of laws that treat a married couple differently than cohabiting unmarried adults.
Clocker
07-01-2015, 05:50 PM
Fair point, Clocker.
I stil doubt you'll see this go beyond talking points to where any state actually stops issuing licenses.
I don't know and don't really care except for the principle of opposing further expansion of the federal government. It doesn't affect me. I would just like to see a state government or two stand up and fight.
But the immediate point is that they can't have it both ways. If the newly discovered fundamental right to marriage must be treated equally by all states, then the explicit right to bear arms must be given equal treatment.
Clocker
07-01-2015, 05:55 PM
What the government is giving permission is to take advantage of the hundreds of laws that treat a married couple differently than cohabiting unmarried adults.
They shouldn't treat people differently. And as far as I know, you can get the same benefits under common law without a license.
Robert Goren
07-01-2015, 05:59 PM
I think you are reaching a bit with the concealed carry bit, but I am sure somebody with a lot of money will go to court to find out. There may be a difference involving criminal law and civil law. The gay marriage ruling is I believe civil law.
What is it with the conservatives and there sudden love of suing. Just a few years ago, they were widely condemning lawyers and the suing of somebody at a drop a hat. Now it seems they themselves are suing over everything. Trump is suing TV networks, GOP AGs are suing over Obama care. Very strange for a bunch of people who hate lawyers.
What the government is giving permission is to take advantage of the hundreds of laws that treat a married couple differently than cohabiting unmarried adults.
Why should ANY couple get tax breaks that single filers do no target.
I think the 14th amendment must outlaw that situation.
There may be a difference involving criminal law and civil law. The gay marriage ruling is I believe civil law. \
No, actually, the constitution doesn't mention marriage, but is specifically calls for the right to keep and bear arms. The 14th must protect that right equally if it is used to force gay marriage.
An Bobby, we have to sue because democrats cannot be counted on to obey any laws. I would expect you will be getting papers soon for your disparaging remarks about the South!
davew
07-01-2015, 09:49 PM
over/under of 25 years for
interspecies marriage
why should one not be able to marry their pet?
DJofSD
07-01-2015, 09:54 PM
Up to now, I've never really thought about having to prove you're married to that other person. This is my husband/wife was always more or less accepted at face value.
What about now? What if a same sex couple are asked to prove it?
Clocker
07-01-2015, 10:25 PM
What is it with the conservatives and there sudden love of suing. Just a few years ago, they were widely condemning lawyers and the suing of somebody at a drop a hat. Now it seems they themselves are suing over everything. Trump is suing TV networks, GOP AGs are suing over Obama care. Very strange for a bunch of people who hate lawyers.
There is a big difference between some tort lawyer suing for millions in a medical malpractice suit and someone suing the government to protect his constitutional rights.
Clocker
07-01-2015, 10:31 PM
I think you are reaching a bit with the concealed carry bit, but I am sure somebody with a lot of money will go to court to find out. There may be a difference involving criminal law and civil law. The gay marriage ruling is I believe civil law.
Depriving someone of their 2nd Amendment rights, unfortunately, is not a criminal issue. If it was, Eric Holder would be where he belongs, behind bars. Government violation of constitutional rights is a civil offense. No one does time for it. They get a slap on the wrist.
mostpost
07-01-2015, 11:35 PM
over/under of 25 years for
interspecies marriage
why should one not be able to marry their pet?
I'm sure you really know the answer to your question. Marriage is a contract between two parties, both of whom must have the capacity to understand the contract. My cat can open the bifold doors into the closet, but I don't think he is conversant in contract law. I doubt if your pet is either. Same goes for mules, goats and large fowl.
Marrying sentient Martians or Jovians is another manner entirely.
Tor Ekman
07-01-2015, 11:40 PM
I'm sure you really know the answer to your question. Marriage is a contract between two parties, both of whom must have the capacity to understand the contract. My cat can open the bifold doors into the closet, but I don't think he is conversant in contract law. I doubt if your pet is either. Same goes for mules, goats and large fowl.
Marrying sentient Martians or Jovians is another manner entirely.
But based on that same principle of contract law, how can polygamy still be illegal?
Clocker
07-02-2015, 12:09 AM
But based on that same principle of contract law, how can polygamy still be illegal?
Let's not be messing up The Narrative with facts. :eek:
Actor
07-02-2015, 01:21 AM
5 day waiting period on all marriage licenses.Five days is not long enough. :lol:
lamboguy
07-02-2015, 01:54 AM
this is all SUAVECITO to me
davew
07-02-2015, 03:23 AM
equality should not limit marriage to only 2 people, when 3 want to be married
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/polygamous-montana-trio-applies-for-wedding-license/ar-AAcriXZ
mostie, from what I have seen firsthand, most men do not understand at all the marriage contact at the time they enter into it!:lol:
boxcar
07-02-2015, 09:10 AM
And then there is always the ancient concubine system...
DJofSD
07-02-2015, 12:01 PM
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/07/02/countrys-first-gay-divorce-firm-opens-in-philadelphia/
zico20
07-02-2015, 07:55 PM
equality should not limit marriage to only 2 people, when 3 want to be married
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/polygamous-montana-trio-applies-for-wedding-license/ar-AAcriXZ
I see no reason to deny the second woman her right to marry the person she chooses under the 14th amendment of equality. I would love to see them take this all the way to the Supreme court and see how the 5 justices that voted for gay marriage rule on this. Isn't her rights violated? It should not matter if he is already married, that should be irrelevant.
Are we talking a marriage or a train here?
classhandicapper
07-03-2015, 03:19 PM
So far I read about one case of a married couple pushing for a 3 way marriage and one about a small number of psychiatrists pushing to reclassify pedophilia. They are pushing for it to no longer be be considered a mental illness because people are born that way and therapy can't change their sexual inclination. I'm hoping it's all temporary insanity or isolated cases and not the next wave.
TJDave
07-03-2015, 04:48 PM
and one about a small number of psychiatrists pushing to reclassify pedophilia. They are pushing for it to no longer be be considered a mental illness because people are born that way and therapy can't change their sexual inclination.
Link please.
Greyfox
07-03-2015, 06:32 PM
and one about a small number of psychiatrists pushing to reclassify pedophilia. They are pushing for it to no longer be be considered a mental illness because people are born that way and therapy can't change their sexual inclination.
Pedophilia may or may not be an "illness," but it certainly is a serious mental disorder.
Any psychiatrist who doesn't think so, should see a "shrink" or be disbarred.
PaceAdvantage
07-06-2015, 01:29 PM
Pedophilia may or may not be an "illness," but it certainly is a serious mental disorder.
Any psychiatrist who doesn't think so, should see a "shrink" or be disbarred.Didn't psychiatrists consider homosexuality a "mental disorder" as late as the 1970s?
horses4courses
07-06-2015, 01:32 PM
Didn't psychiatrists consider homosexuality a "mental disorder" as late as the 1970s?
Dr. Boxcar still does...... :rolleyes:
boxcar
07-06-2015, 01:42 PM
Dr. Boxcar still does...... :rolleyes:
Not so. I just consider sodomites and lesbians to be be perverted (cf. Rom 1:27)
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