TPR numbers

[topgun]

Hello.

I want to ask if there is anyone out there that are still using these numbers well. If there is anyone out there that are still using them and well. Please send me a PM.

Topgun

[topgun]

I guess no one is using them anymore! Thanks

Gun

[Speed Figure]

You should try RDSS they have the TPR numbers in the software.

[Pensacola Pete]

I believe that HTR uses a variation of the TPR in its sustained pace (SP) rating.

[Ted Craven]

I guess no one is using them anymore! Thanks

Gun

As you know, as an RDSS user - ALL RDSS users (can) make use of TPR (Total Pace Rating) numbers.

Just check the website sometime. (Or the software).

Ted

[JohnGalt1]

I not only use them, I make the figures by hand when I handicap.

I have the EPR laminated chart standing under my desk lamp, and the FFR chart in a stand to my right. Directly in front of me, is my track to track adjustment chart I make using the Cynthia par book, next to my variant adjustment chart.

I always compute a pace line from the most recent pace line, unless the race is more than 28 days ago or on another surface.

If, say a dirt race, regardless of distance I do a pace line, but if there are reasons to go further back I will go back to a line from a race that is comparable to todays race class and distance.

This is from Arlington race 7 maiden claim, the 9 horse would look like this 82/74/156 for most recent race, and I went back for (87/77/164). I always put the older race in parentheses.

If a horse is off a lay off, or if the last line in of a different surface, I use the "best" race, and put the line in parentheses.

I make a one page worksheet days before I bet.

TPR is 1/3 of my method. I also use W. L. Scott's Performance Class Ratings and Form ratings From "Total Victory at the Track." Because his pace ratings are harder to make and are very unreliable, and that's being polite, I use TPR.

[kingfin66]

I not only use them, I make the figures by hand when I handicap.

I have the EPR laminated chart standing under my desk lamp, and the FFR chart in a stand to my right. Directly in front of me, is my track to track adjustment chart I make using the Cynthia par book, next to my variant adjustment chart.

I always compute a pace line from the most recent pace line, unless the race is more than 28 days ago or on another surface.

If, say a dirt race, regardless of distance I do a pace line, but if there are reasons to go further back I will go back to a line from a race that is comparable to todays race class and distance.

This is from Arlington race 7 maiden claim, the 9 horse would look like this 82/74/156 for most recent race, and I went back for (87/77/164). I always put the older race in parentheses.

If a horse is off a lay off, or if the last line in of a different surface, I use the "best" race, and put the line in parentheses.,

I make a one page worksheet days before I bet.

TPR is 1/3 of my method. I also use W. L. Scott's Performance Class Ratings and Form ratings From "Total Victory at the Track." Because his pace ratings are harder to make and are very unreliable, and that's being polite, I use TPR.


It must take you a long time to handicap a race.

[Tom]

Some thoughts on TPR.

Since the topic has come up a couple of times this week, I thought I’d add my 2 cents.

TPR = the horse’s early pace plus its third fraction.

For the sake of discussion, assume it is a speed rating, although it reality, it not a true SR because the final fraction is weighted equally to the early pace (Beyer gives and excellent description this in Beyer on Speed in the pace chapter.

The EPR/FFR format tells you a bit about how the figure was earned by energy distribution.

Consider the following horses:

90/80 170
80/90 170
85/85 170

All three are equal as to “speed” but the 90/80 should have a clear lead on most dirt tracks. If these the three best horses in a race, would you give a lot of hop to the 80/90 if there is no other EPR close to the 90? All 170s are not the same.

Now, add this horse, 93/72 165 and he is a need the lead type. He will definitely affect the 90/80 horse in the race. You might not consider him a win contender, but you have to consider him for the pace.

Doc Sartin had a rating he called Factor W, for Win. It’s early pace plus sustained pace. Sustained pace is early plus third fraction, which the same as TPR. So I would calculate FW for each horse like this – EPR+EPR+FFR.

The horses above would look like this:

90+90+80 = 260
80+80+90 = 250
85+85+85 = 255
93+93+72 = 258

[NY BRED]

So if I add 10 PTS to horse A would I be looking at American Pharaoh's
Belmont win.



😄😆😎

[JohnGalt1]

Not anymore.

When it was new to me it did.

It takes me about 10-20 minutes per race,(depending upon the amount of horses in a race,) to compute my data, then 0-5 minutes to construct my bets, it any. And by now I have memorized most of the numbers on my charts.

I do it by hand because I want to know how my figures are created. I'm sure there are good pace/class/form figures out there, but I don't want to bet MY money unless I know how the figures are done.

Even Beyer figures are readjusted occasionally.

I already have to have faith that the chart caller is accurate, that the morning work out clockers are accurate.

In Pace Makes the Race some of the authors broke down the times to halves or tenths. I don't bother or waste time with that much precision. I won't bet on a horse that is one head better than another like 165.1 versus 164.9.