Never let a crisis go to waste.

[Clocker]

After 12 murders in Chicago over the Memorial Day weekend, including a 4 year old girl, Rahm Emanuel used the crimes to call for stricter gun controls. And with 29 shot and 9 killed in Baltimore over the weekend, White House flak Josh Earnest also said the obvious answer was passage of gun safety laws by Congress to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Maryland and Chicago have some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, so of course if they aren't working, the only answer is more gun control laws. To which Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke says bunk.

Sheriff Clarke describes Emanuel as “dead wrong,” observing that “he must have gone to the same school that ‘president’ Barack Obama did on how to run a law enforcement agency. This is what happens when you have community organizers and academic elites and others who don’t know a thing about policing in the American ghetto start to dabble in police science.”

He says the cities experiencing these heightened levels of violence “might as well get used to it because this is what you’re going to have as long as you’re going to try to turn cops into social workers and you’re going to try to get them to emphasize de-escalation and more dialogue instead of going on the offensive to go after some very dangerous individuals.”


Clarke says “It’s starting to take its toll on the American police officer, the psyche of the American police officer; self-initiated policing is going to go down, proactive policing is going to go down in many of these areas and cops are just going to resort to answering calls for service. That’s what they’re paid to do, that’s what they’re expected to do.”

Read more at http://universalfreepress.com/sheriff-david-clarke-cops-arent-social-workers-modern-liberalism-created-black-underclass-urban-unrest/

[PaceAdvantage]

Agree completely with Sheriff Clarke. Pubic opinion, as misguided as it is currently towards the police, is going to force their hand in a way the public is not going to like one bit...

Don't come crying to us when criminals and lowlifes now have even GREATER freedom to operate because ya'll are screaming for police hands to be tied because of glorified/isolated incidents of police misconduct.

[JustRalph]

Clarke is exactly right.

He won't be in office much longer. The knives will come out.

[TJDave]

He won't be in office much longer. The knives will come out.

If that's what the community, such as it is, wants.

In a democracy, voters get the government they deserve.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Clarke is exactly right.

He won't be in office much longer. The knives will come out.

Agree - love the Clarke quote.

Fortunately he's elected, not appointed. He was re-elected to a 4-yr term in 2014. He's very outspoken...the stuff posted above is tame relative to some of his past quotes.

[JustRalph]

Agree - love the Clarke quote.

Fortunately he's elected, not appointed. He was re-elected to a 4-yr term in 2014. He's very outspoken...the stuff posted above is tame relative to some of his past quotes.

Yep, and he has been very vocal since that time. He swims in a pool full of politicians, not cops. They won't let him last.

I predict he is eyeing a higher office.

[Clocker]

I predict he is eyeing a higher office.

Why would anyone want to? He is probably as high up the food chain as he can go and still have some control of the BS he has to deal with. It is only going to get worse from there.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Wants to be mayor, I believe

[Clocker]

Wants to be mayor, I believe

That could be interesting. I just looked at the Wiki article on him. It says he has run for sheriff on the Democratic ticket, but he does not belong to the party. And some Democrats are not happy about that.

Apparently he has said he might run in 2016. Every mayor of Milwaukee since 1960 has been a Democrat, and the one before that was a Socialist.

[mostpost]

What is with you guys and your love affair with nut case black conservatives? I mean besides the fact that you are nut case white conservatives.

Clarke is Sheriff of Milwaukee County, which means he is supposed to work with law enforcement of the various communities in the county; for example Milwaukee. Yet, one of the major complaints against him is the lack of cooperation from his department in cases crossing jurisdictional lines.

Clarke closed down the gun and drug divisions of his office, while at the same time increasing the number of officers assigned to the courthouse. The courthouse has its own security guards, so all Clarke's men were doing was watching the guards. And many of them were on overtime.

He also shut down the county's witness protection program resulting in the murder of a witness.

Clarke has advocated vigilante justice, saying that the police aren't going to protect people so they will have to protect themselves. Conservative David Clarke created a $4.6M deficit in his office in 2014. On the other hand deficits are nothing new for conservatives who talk a lot about fiscal responsibility, but seldom deliver.

Clarke has accused Milwaukee county executive Chris Abele of having "Penis envy and being on Heroin. I have no idea if Chris is a man or a woman, but that is insulting either way.

Clarke has received, and is very proud of, an award from the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers of America. That is the group that suggested Cliven Bundy use women and children as shields during his standoff with the feds.

[Saratoga_Mike]

All I see is a law-and-order sheriff. I don't particularly care that he's black. Why do you Most? Why do you see everything through a racial prism? Sad.

[davew]

We need more democratic party controlled cities so the riff raff can spread around the country, not migrate / infestate Chicago, New York City, Baltimore, St Louis....

[mostpost]

Agree completely with Sheriff Clarke. Pubic opinion, as misguided as it is currently towards the police, is going to force their hand in a way the public is not going to like one bit...

Don't come crying to us when criminals and lowlifes now have even GREATER freedom to operate because ya'll are screaming for police hands to be tied because of glorified/isolated incidents of police misconduct.
As usual you do not know what you are talking about. Since January first there have been 480 glorified/isolated instances of civilians being killed by police.
http://killedbypolice.net/

You won't find it on the link above, but 33% of those were unarmed and 20% were running from the police. Most likely some of those were both unarmed and running.

[Clocker]

What is with you guys and your love affair with nut case black conservatives? I mean besides the fact that you are nut case white conservatives.

What is it with you and your total inability to address content that disrupts your Holy Writ, and to be capable only of launching vicious personal attacks on any bearer of bad news?

What bearing does any of the nonsense you just spewed have on the basic issue here? Since you seemed to miss the point, I'll explain. The point is that a highly placed, highly experienced law enforcement official has presented a fact based and coherent argument to show that the Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber boys from Chicago, that is, Rahm and Barack, are totally clueless about effective law enforcement in the American ghetto.

As much as we appreciate your sharing your expert and detailed knowledge and experience concerning the workings and history of the Milwaukee civic and legal institutions, none of it is pertinent to the issue.

In the bigger picture, the observations of this highly place, highly experienced law enforcement official serve to confirm evidence from many other jurisdictions that liberal social policies implemented over many decades are turning many of the once great cities of American into broken, ungovernable slums.

The issue is government policy. Your response is pure personal venom.

[mostpost]

All I see is a law-and-order sheriff. I don't particularly care that he's black. Why do you Most? Why do you see everything through a racial prism? Sad.
Why was Clarke on Lou Dobbs show? The story was about Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel calling for tougher gun control laws in Chicago and Cook County. Clarke was on the show because he is the black sheriff of Milwaukee County. Milwaukee County is not even in Illinois. It is in Wisconsin. Why didn't Dobbs have Tom Dart, the sheriff of Cook County on?

Back to the question of why was Clarke on the Lou Dobbs show? He was a token of the rare black conservative. Dobbs was saying (without saying it) "See, even this black guy thinks we should have more guns on the street."
Well that black guy is a pawn of the NRA and I will continue point out that he is pawn and a black guy as long as I want.

You can continue to pretend you don't care or don't notice, but I do not believe you.

[Clocker]

Well that black guy is a pawn of the NRA and I will continue point out that he is pawn and a black guy as long as I want.

You can continue to pretend you don't care or don't notice, but I do not believe you.

A two bagger for the PostMan. Personal attacks on the black guy who is a tool of white privilege and on the evil lying conservative who stoops to use the token black for partisan purposes. All without an iota of discussion about the real issues of ghetto crime or the gutting of once great cities by liberal incompetence.

[JustRalph]

As usual you do not know what you are talking about. Since January first there have been 480 glorified/isolated instances of civilians being killed by police.
http://killedbypolice.net/

You won't find it on the link above, but 33% of those were unarmed and 20% were running from the police. Most likely some of those were both unarmed and running.

Killed by police doesn't tell us anything. I don't care if it's ten thousand a month, what matters is whether the police are are justified in the killing. The latest addition to their list is a perfect example.

Kamal Dajani was killed by a Tarrant County Deputy (near Ft Worth) yesterday. He had stabbed two women and when the Deputy entered the home he was actively stabbing a third woman. He refused to stop. He was shot.

All that matters is whether the shootings are justified.

Btw, **** You Mosty.

[mostpost]

What bearing does any of the nonsense you just spewed have on the basic issue here? Since you seemed to miss the point, I'll explain. The point is that a highly placed, highly experienced law enforcement official has presented a fact based and coherent argument to show that the Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber boys from Chicago, that is, Rahm and Barack, are totally clueless about effective law enforcement in the American ghetto.

Thank you for your explanation, as poor as it is. The fact is your highly placed, highly experienced law enforcement official heads an agency that does little if any policing in the ghetto-your term, not mine. The FBI collects crime statistics from law enforcement around the country. In 2013 the City of Milwaukee police department reported 41,000 crimes of various kinds. West Allis, Wi. (a medium size suburb of Milwaukee) report 2,300 and the police department at UW Milwaukee reported 242 crimes. The sheriff's department of Milwaukee County reported nineteen crimes.

I don't live in Milwaukee County, but if it is anything like Cook County in Illinois less than 10% is unincorporated area and most of that is rural. This is the area the Sheriff's office patrols.

When you can present me with actual big city police chiefs who are opposed to reasonable gun control you might convince me. David Clarke or Joe Arpaio are not going to do the job.

[Clocker]

(More personal attacks on David Clarke for being an inexperienced hick cop out in the boonies, with no big city experience.)

From Wiki:

Clarke was born in the City of Milwaukee, attending Marquette University High School

He went on to earn a degree in Criminal Justice Management from Concordia University Wisconsin, graduating summa cum laude. In 2003, Concordia University named him Wisconsin Alumnus of the Year. His postgraduate work includes graduating from the FBI National Academy and the National Executive Institute in Quantico, Virginia; completing the Program for Senior Executives in State and Local Government at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government; Driving Government Performance: Leadership Strategies that Produce Results at Harvard University’s John F. Kennedy School of Government; and studying with Police Chief William Bratton and L.A. County Sheriff Lee Baca.[1]

His career in law enforcement began in 1978 at the Milwaukee Police Department (MPD). After 11 years as a patrol officer, Clarke was promoted to Detective, making the Homicide Division less than 1 year later. In 1992, Clarke was again promoted to Lieutenant of Detectives. The next step was becoming Captain of Police for the MPD in 1996. In 1999, Clarke took over the post of Commanding Officer for MPD's Intelligence Division. Clarke then became Milwaukee County Sheriff in 2002, currently holding the same post.[2]



Yep, the man is obviously clueless about law enforcement in a major city.

And at the risk of beating a dead horse, I still see no attempt to address the actual content of Clarke's remarks.

[NJ Stinks]

What is it with you and your total inability to address content that disrupts your Holy Writ, and to be capable only of launching vicious personal attacks on any bearer of bad news?



Vicious personal attacks? I don't think you know what a vicious personal attack is. :rolleyes:

[NJ Stinks]

Btw, **** You Mosty.

That's just great, Ralph.

Where's Clocker when a personal attack actually happens? Nowhere, that's where. :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:

[mostpost]

Killed by police doesn't tell us anything. I don't care if it's ten thousand a month, what matters is whether the police are are justified in the killing. The latest addition to their list is a perfect example.

Kamal Dajani was killed by a Tarrant County Deputy (near Ft Worth) yesterday. He had stabbed two women and when the Deputy entered the home he was actively stabbing a third woman. He refused to stop. He was shot.

All that matters is whether the shootings are justified.

Btw, **** You Mosty.
You found one that was clearly justified. In the first five, I found one that was questionable. It is not only was the shooting justified, but was it necessary. Who decides? Usually it is based on the unconfirmed word of the officer involved or of his fellow officers, all of whom are going to protect their fellow officer. Testimony from witnesses or community members is ignored or ridiculed.

Walter Scott was shot in the back while running away and the shooting was originally considered as justified. Only overwhelming evidence to the contrary changed the decision.

1100 were killed by police in the United States in 2014. That is 337 more than in 2013. In 2014 58 Americans died in Afghanistan and Iraq.

In 2014 Canadian police killed 14. Yes, the US has a much larger population than Canada, but no where near 78 times larger.

In the United Kingdom police killed one person in 2013 and 2014 combined.

Germany killed no one.

China, that bastion of police state brutality with four and a half times the population of the US recorded 12 police killings of citizens.

[Clocker]

Vicious personal attacks? I don't think you know what a vicious personal attack is. :rolleyes:

I'd say that dismissing a distinguished black police officer as a pawn of the NRA and a token black qualities. You don't?

[mostpost]

That's just great, Ralph.

Where's Clocker when a personal attack actually happens? Nowhere, that's where. :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:

I really do not want Clocker to defend me. Besides, we don't know for sure what those four asterisks stand for. Maybe JR loves me. I wonder if he knows Illinois has legalized..... oh never mind. ;) :D

[NJ Stinks]

I'd say that dismissing a distinguished black police officer as a pawn of the NRA and a token black qualities. You don't?

I think you see personal attacks when it suits you.

[Tom]

I love the way you libs band together to keep Blacks in their place.

As far as gun in Chicago - it is not the laws, it is the enforcement. NYC knew how to do it with Stop and Frisk. It was legal and it worked. The blood in the streets c Chicago is there because of people like Rahm Emanuel.

[Clocker]

I love the way you libs band together to keep Blacks in their place.

As far as gun in Chicago - it is not the laws, it is the enforcement.

The emperor has no clothes, and the ankle biters attack the people that are so rude as to point it out.

In addition to lack of enforcement in Chicago, the problem is not one of gun violence, it is gang violence. Over 80% of shootings in Chicago are gang related.

According to a study completed in May by Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy, Chicago boasts 59 gangs that divide into 625 factions (and include, according to Chicago magazine, some 70,000-125,000 members and associates). This in a city of 2.5 million residents. The gangs have largely dispensed with any pretense of "protecting" a neighborhood or ethnicity. This is not the Sharks and the Jets. Some are corporate entities that control drug-dealing enterprises. Turf means protecting lucrative corners for dealing drugs, and competitors or interlopers are dealt with violently.
...

Add to this that in Illinois's Cook County, being arrested for a serious crime—even with a gun—often doesn't mean going to prison. In an April study, the Police Executive Research Forum found a simple truth when it examined violent crime in six cities (Chicago was not one): Where criminals caught in a violent crime with a gun can expect to serve significant time in state prison (as in San Diego), rates of gun violence are lower. Cities where many gun arrests do not result in any prison time, including Philadelphia and Chicago, have higher rates of violence. This is a no-brainer.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303933704577532881930993836

[cj's dad]

I love the way you libs band together to keep Blacks in their place.

As far as gun in Chicago - it is not the laws, it is the enforcement. NYC knew how to do it with Stop and Frisk. It was legal and it worked. The blood in the streets c Chicago is there because of people like Rahm Emanuel.\

This method was used here in B'more back in the late 70's or early 80's and had a positive result in crime reduction. "Leaders" in the black "community" deemed it to be racist and under pressure from the press and local pols it was halted. Crime soared again and the beat goes on today. May 2015 = 43 murdered. Oh well, at least police have been kept in their place.

[PaceAdvantage]

That's just great, Ralph.

Where's Clocker when a personal attack actually happens? Nowhere, that's where. :ThmbDown: :ThmbDown:Mosty deserves everything he gets. He's been attacked and has BEEN THE ATTACKER countless times. His latest, before Ralph's reply...where he said "I DON'T BELIEVE YOU" to someone who claimed he doesn't care about the color of the man's skin.

My first inclination was to write to mosty exactly what Ralph wrote, but I'm kinder and gentler that way.

[PaceAdvantage]

You found one that was clearly justified. In the first five, I found one that was questionable. It is not only was the shooting justified, but was it necessary. Who decides? Who decides? The police officer holding the gun who either believes his life or other lives are in danger...or not.

And that's the only person who decides...as it always has been, and always will be.

It's too bad you and your fellow democrats can't create a panel, subcommittee, or think-tank that can make that decision for all of us, like you're always wont to do...but thankfully for the rest of us, doing such a thing would be impossible in these instances.

Thank God for small favors.

[Clocker]

It's too bad you and your fellow democrats can't create a panel, subcommittee, or think-tank that can make that decision for all of us, like you're always wont to do...but thankfully for the rest of us, doing such a thing would be impossible in these instances.



Great idea! A liberal death panel to make sure everything is fair. I wonder why no one ever thought of that before. :p

[Tom]

\

This method was used here in B'more back in the late 70's or early 80's and had a positive result in crime reduction. "Leaders" in the black "community" deemed it to be racist and under pressure from the press and local pols it was halted. Crime soared again and the beat goes on today. May 2015 = 43 murdered. Oh well, at least police have been kept in their place.

I am sick and tired listening to whines of the Black Community. They don't wnat cops doing htis or that, then they want cops protecting them, then they protest 1 shooting and ignore scores of B on B murders.

You know what, go solve your own damn problems, you cry babies.
You live in the Hell you deserve - keep electing those democrats and see how long you live. Or your kids.

[mostpost]

I love the way you libs band together to keep Blacks in their place.

As far as gun in Chicago - it is not the laws, it is the enforcement. NYC knew how to do it with Stop and Frisk. It was legal and it worked. The blood in the streets c Chicago is there because of people like Rahm Emanuel.

There is no blood in the streets in Chicago. The number of murders in 2013 was the lowest since 1965 and the number in 2014 was only slightly higher. Furthermore, if you consider the rate per 100,000; Chicago isn't even in the top forty among larger cities.

[DJofSD]

All I see is a law-and-order sheriff. I don't particularly care that he's black. Why do you Most? Why do you see everything through a racial prism? Sad.
I just found this thread and was reading it before I posted. And then found Mostie's post.

Not surprised but disappointed.

It just reconfirms my belief that liberals are the bigots, the race baiters and haters.

[PaceAdvantage]

It just reconfirms my belief that liberals are the bigots, the race baiters and haters.It generates sales (campaign & party donations).

In other words, racism is good business for Democrats. Always has been.

[DJofSD]

It generates sales (campaign & party donations).

In other words, racism is good business for Democrats. Always has been.
Mike, I think you've put your finger on it.

[mostpost]

The emperor has no clothes, and the ankle biters attack the people that are so rude as to point it out.

In addition to lack of enforcement in Chicago, the problem is not one of gun violence, it is gang violence. Over 80% of shootings in Chicago are gang related.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303933704577532881930993836
Sometimes I am amazed at your logic, and not in a good way. You say that the problem is not one of violence, but one of gang violence. Then you say 80% of shootings are gang related. Just what do you think those gang members use in those shootings? Bows and arrows?

There are many ways to kill or injure someone, but none is as efficient as a gun. Except for a thermonuclear device.

[Clocker]

It generates sales (campaign & party donations).


And votes.

[Clocker]

Sometimes I am amazed at your logic, and not in a good way. You say that the problem is not one of violence, but one of gang violence. Then you say 80% of shootings are gang related. Just what do you think those gang members use in those shootings? Bows and arrows?


Oh yeah, I forgot. Guns kill people. If we could just get all the guns off the streets, that would put an end to crime and violence.

[mostpost]

Who decides? The police officer holding the gun who either believes his life or other lives are in danger...or not.
Yes, and in most cases-the vast majority that decision is made correctly and justly. But one would have to be blind to say that is always the case. Was the officer who shot Walter Scott in the back as he was running away justified? Were the officers who fired 137 shots into a car that was already stopped justified?

More and more we find police using excessive force and trying to justify it as protecting the public safety. They don't do this in England or Germany or even China. Why do we have to do it here?

[PaceAdvantage]

No one ever said that's always the case.

But is it not the case OFTEN ENOUGH to upend the entire system, create rioting in the streets, and hamstring ALL COPS?

I say NO...a resounding NO!

The SOLUTION will end up worse than the PROBLEM...if you and others continue down this path. You can count on that.

[mostpost]

I just found this thread and was reading it before I posted. And then found Mostie's post.

Not surprised but disappointed.

It just reconfirms my belief that liberals are the bigots, the race baiters and haters.
I'm the one objecting to police killing black people and I'm the bigot. We are truly living in 1984.

[DJofSD]

I'm the one objecting to police killing black people and I'm the bigot. We are truly living in 1984.
Bull Sh*t.

Go back to your post and reread what you stated.

You lead with race -- that's enough for me to believe what I posted above.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm the one objecting to police killing black people and I'm the bigot. We are truly living in 1984.Do you object to police killing white people?

[Saratoga_Mike]

I'm the one objecting to police killing black people and I'm the bigot. We are truly living in 1984.

You support the policies of David Dinkins and his ilk (oh by the way, ilk means liberal mayors; I don't care about his race). How many black males were murdered under Mayor Dinkins' watch vs under Rudy's tenure?

As usual, you're well meaning, but you never, ever grasp the unintended consequences of your well-meant policies (e.g., ending stop and frisk). There's nothing "1984" or Orwellian about any of this, just a confused liberal who never learns.

[Saratoga_Mike]

.

You can continue to pretend you don't care or don't notice, but I do not believe you.

I don't watch Lou Dobbs (thought he retired?). I think he's obnoxious and uninteresting.

I support law-and-order sheriffs and mayors. You have trouble believing that?

Now whether your friend Mr. Dobbs invited this gentleman on b/c of his race or not, I have no idea - could be. No concern of mine. I don't care if he appears on Rachel Maddow's show - I support his view on law enforcement; nothing else.

[JustRalph]

Here, take this one off your list

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2nkzL3RvTU

o2nkzL3RvTU

[Tom]

I love to watch it when his big mouth puts his arse in a corner he cant get out of. :lol: