Beaver's Yeast, FullCardReports, RacingPicks, and KeyPony

[Pensacola Pete]

I've read threads about each.

Finding a copy of Beaver's Yeast is tough nowadays. I've read in other threads that both FullCardReports, RacingPicks, and/or KeyPony all use, fully or in part, the ratings from Beaver's Yeast. If any of those sites do base their reports on Beaver's Yeast, it'd be cheaper to use those than to try to find a copy of Beaver's Yeast and buy the BRIS files.

Can anybody clarify whether any/all of these (or other) sites incorporate Beaver's Yeast, along with any other positive/negative things about them? Thanks in advance.

[Pensacola Pete]

Keypony said they don't use Beaver's program. I never got an answer from the others.

[cato]

Wow, that's a name from the past. I think that was on the old Prodigy board and that the creator of that program (the Beav himself) passed away something like 15 +/- years ago...

[JimG]

Keypony said they don't use Beaver's program. I never got an answer from the others.

That's because they do.

[mabred]

they sure due.beav's close friend mac from vegas at the time told me he was

selling it to them.I think it was for 250.00.They used it in there

initial output then reversed engineered it and came up with a few

more numbers and changed the headers in the other outputs.take a look at

their outputs Wow that was in 1998 or 9.

mabred

[rog9170]

Is this software still avaliable would like to test .

[DrewClear]

Beav sold 1 copy to Linda and her husband who ran racingpicks. Then the two split and husband started fullcardreports. Both the same and base on John's DOS program.

Program is most likely even hard to run on 32bit version of windows or Dosbox.

To give the concept a try, John's program was computerized version of book "Pace makes the race" by Tom Hambleton and Dick Schmidt" and fine tuned for S. California tracks.

John's son was trying to port the program for windows but did not or was not able to finish. (according to John's brother-in-law)

Most computer generated handicapping sheets in the 90's had the same format of simple spreadsheet output. Just have to compare free samples to see if picks are the same.

Drew

[upthecreek]

Beav sold 1 copy to Linda and her husband who ran racingpicks. Then the two split and husband started fullcardreports. Both the same and base on John's DOS program.

Program is most likely even hard to run on 32bit version of windows or Dosbox.

To give the concept a try, John's program was computerized version of book "Pace makes the race" by Tom Hambleton and Dick Schmidt" and fine tuned for S. California tracks.

John's son was trying to port the program for windows but did not or was not able to finish. (according to John's brother-in-law)

Most computer generated handicapping sheets in the 90's had the same format of simple spreadsheet output. Just have to compare free samples to see if picks are the same.

Drew

Im running it on W7 32 bit

[ubercapper]

I was under the impression Fullcardreports.com was out of business although they still have an active web site. I signed up a couple of months back then never got acknowledgment email or access, so lodged a dispute with Paypal and got my money back.



When I go to racingpicks.com the page comes up blank.


If anyone has a different experience please let me know.

[upthecreek]

I was under the impression Fullcardreports.com was out of business although they still have an active web site. I signed up a couple of months back then never got acknowledgment email or access, so lodged a dispute with Paypal and got my money back.



When I go to racingpicks.com the page comes up blank.


If anyone has a different experience please let me know.

Dont know if these are the same reports or not:


http://contenderswins.com/

[ubercapper]

I don't believe it is. Contenderswins.com is run by Terry Sarnoskie.

[MONEY]

I don't believe it is. Contenderswins.com is run by Terry Sarnoskie.
I just looked at the sample reports and the second link/report from the left is the same as what FullCardReports was publishing.

[wes]

I have a copy of the Yeast Program. Will not run on new machine. I can list all the files but the program will not load up.

[KyRacer]

I have a copy of the Yeast Program. Will not run on new machine. I can list all the files but the program will not load up.

Wes

I run the Yeast program in DosBox on my Windows 10 64 bit with no problem. With DosBox I use another program called Dosprn 1.79 to print or capture the output from DosBox. The little trick is to uncheck the autoprint box. It then saves the output to a file called prnspl which I open with a text editor. You then can remove scratches before printing. I usually don't print, just read it off the screen.

I use the Yeast program for the workout number which some of the other programs I use doesn't have. I like the workout number mainly for maidens and maiden claimers. I have caught some good longshots when the other horses run below par. Still like to see a good workout number for horses coming off a rest. The Power number is also pretty solid.

Yeast Pic

[KyRacer]

If I remember right you need to use the DOSBox MB6 (Megabuild) version to be able to print to dosprn.

[shoelessjoe]

Yeast will run on Windows XP

[theotherside]

Hope I am not out of line,But would anyone who has this program be willing to share and or trade it with me?

[stewball1127]

Wes

I run the Yeast program in DosBox on my Windows 10 64 bit with no problem. With DosBox I use another program called Dosprn 1.79 to print or capture the output from DosBox. The little trick is to uncheck the autoprint box. It then saves the output to a file called prnspl which I open with a text editor. You then can remove scratches before printing. I usually don't print, just read it off the screen.

I use the Yeast program for the workout number which some of the other programs I use doesn't have. I like the workout number mainly for maidens and maiden claimers. I have caught some good longshots when the other horses run below par. Still like to see a good workout number for horses coming off a rest. The Power number is also pretty solid.

Yeast Pic

This looks like the FCR style data and reports.

How can I get this info?

If anyone can tell me.....

- How to get the data
- What program do I need to run it
- Does it have the TTR for each horse, that was a fantastic piece of data

...that would be MUCH ppreciated.

FCR was without a doubt one of the best products out there.

Thanks for any help.

[ak7666]

Any idea where I can acquire a copy of John Beaver's Yeast Program?

thanks,

LS

[fmazur]

Beaver's Yeast looks very similar to Keypony reports. Attached is one of 6 reports from Keypony. It is the 1st race at Hawthorne --

[lefty359]

Keypony looks to be ery affordable. They say they get 74% wins in top 4. Anyone know what percentage they get in top 3 and whether they get many $20+ winners in top 3. I tried to email them but it goes to Microsoft mail which I'm not setup for.
Anybody know their email address?

[fmazur]

Actually, the winner is in the top four 77% of the time. The top 3 I have not really thought about that before.
I went back and looked at a couple of hundred races and if I were to guess, it would be 65/68% in the top 3.
Below are two days showing a lot of $20 plus winners in the top 4.

Past 52 weeks stats
==========================
Winner from top 4
22036 of 28475 races (77%)
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Top Pick Best Win
Canterbury
09/10/20 Race 6 $51.60
===============================


Winner from top 4
107 of 124 ( 86 %)
==========================
Top 4 Big Wins ($20+)
CBY 7 22.60
EMD 6 22.00
FL 6 21.40
PID 2 20.60
PRX 4 21.00
TDN 8 25.20
==========================
Top Pick Win ROI
Belterra 58 %
Delaware Park 29 %
Emerald Downs 104 %
Evangeline Downs 162 %
Louisiana Downs 6 %
==========================

------------------------------------------------------
Winner from top 4
69 of 81 ( 85 %)
==========================
Top 4 Big Wins ($20+)
DMR 6 28.80
MTH 7 21.20
MTH 10 24.20
SAR 11 42.40
WO 2 49.20
WO 11 26.50
==========================
Top Pick Win ROI
Del Mar 134 %
Golden Gate 40 %
Gulfstream Park 8 %
Lone Star Park 30 %
Woodbine 35 %

[lefty359]

Thanks, fmazur. Do you have an email for keypony?

[fmazur]

Here is the email I have for Keypony.

james-olyaie@keypony.com,

[lefty359]

Great. Thanks again, fmazur. Best to you.

[hracingplyr]

Just google key pony and the site comes up. They gave out the first 2 races at Indiana Grand and they both hit.

Bob

[JimG]

As info, I compared yesterday's free report output to my output using Beav's Yeast, and they are very different. They evidently do not use Beav's program. Full Card Reports and Racing Picks mirrored the output of Beav's Yeast.


Jim

[fmazur]

They look pretty similar to me. Attached is a comparison.

Yesterday Keypony Results.

Daily Stats 11/15/20
==========================
Winner from top 4
40 of 46 ( 87 %)

==========================
Top 4 Big Wins ($20+)
DMR 8 23.40
DMR 9 20.60

[JimG]

They look pretty similar to me. Attached is a comparison.

Yesterday Keypony Results.

Daily Stats 11/15/20
==========================
Winner from top 4
40 of 46 ( 87 %)

==========================
Top 4 Big Wins ($20+)
DMR 8 23.40
DMR 9 20.60


Take a look at a yeast and keypony report from the same track on the same date and you will see the points and output are calculated very differently. As I stated earlier, the output from Racingpicks and Full Card reports were definitely based on Beav's Yeast.

[Speed Figure]

They look pretty similar to me. Attached is a comparison.

Yesterday Keypony Results.

Daily Stats 11/15/20
==========================
Winner from top 4
40 of 46 ( 87 %)

==========================
Top 4 Big Wins ($20+)
DMR 8 23.40
DMR 9 20.60

Is the top one a dos program?

[Partsnut]

They look pretty similar to me. Attached is a comparison.

Yesterday Keypony Results.

Daily Stats 11/15/20
==========================
Winner from top 4
40 of 46 ( 87 %)

==========================
Top 4 Big Wins ($20+)
DMR 8 23.40
DMR 9 20.60

Hi Frank,

I have to agree with Jim G. The outputs are different.
I would also state that in my humble opinion and from what I am seeing, that "Key Pony" is no bargain at any price". The top 4 horses mean nothing to me unless you have found a way tp derive" value" from them and /or separate the winner.

The following example from today's Remington Park (Race 10) does just that.
Hopefully, you will see it.

[JimG]

Is the top one a dos program?


Beav's Yeast

[Speed Figure]

Beav's Yeast
Is it a dos program?

[JimG]

Is it a dos program?


Yes.

[chrisl]

Maybe it is still the teenager in me. Every time I see "Beavers Yeast" I have to chuckle.

[lefty359]

Hi Frank,

I have to agree with Jim G. The outputs are different.
I would also state that in my humble opinion and from what I am seeing, that "Key Pony" is no bargain at any price". The top 4 horses mean nothing to me unless you have found a way tp derive" value" from them and /or separate the winner.

The following example from today's Remington Park (Race 10) does just that.
Hopefully, you will see it.


You're right of course. You have to be able to separate the 4 selections.


BTW, I clicked on your pdf and nothing happened. Anyone else have trouble?

[NorCalGreg]

Maybe it is still the teenager in me. Every time I see "Beavers Yeast" I have to chuckle.

Haha...I thought I was the only one childish enough to get a chuckle out of that :D

[Partsnut]

You're right of course. You have to be able to separate the 4 selections.


BTW, I clicked on your pdf and nothing happened. Anyone else have trouble?

Hi Chuck,

I just sent you an email with the file attached.

[fmazur]

PDF worked fine for me.
Yesterday Keypony four tracks.

Top Pick Win ROI Means if you bet the TOP PICK in every race to win, doing nothing else, you have a good day.
At Mountaineer and Remington that is.
Different dates have different tracks.


Daily Stats 11/17/20
==========================
Winner from top 4
34 of 39 ( 87 %)

==========================
Top Pick Win ROI
Mountaineer 62 %
Remington Park 80 %

[lefty359]

Thanks, Bill, But I never got it. Could you resend?
Best,
Chuck

[Speed Figure]

Thanks, Bill, But I never got it. Could you resend?
Best,
ChuckIt automatically downloads with you click on it! You must have some type of pop-up blocker or something stopping it.

[lefty359]

It automatically downloads with you click on it! You must have some type of pop-up blocker or something stopping it.


Yeah, I know. First time I couldn't dl one of these.

[Partsnut]

Thanks, Bill, But I never got it. Could you resend?
Best,
Chuck
I resent a PDF and a JPG File to your Gmail address,

[lefty359]

hanks, Bill. I got them. Much appreciated.

[ak7666]

Can you send step by step directions on how to use Beavers yeast.

thanks.

Leonard s.