$200,000 mandatory payout Wednesday

[Poindexter]

20 cent super high 5 for Wednesday night at Pompano park has a $200,000 carryover and a mandatory payout. Free past performances at ustrotting.com.

[Tall One]

Just printed them out..overflow field of 13 slated..:eek: :ThmbUp:


Ah, 12&13 are on the AE list. Carry on.

[Poindexter]

I have to handicap further, but this looks extremely tough. I see one throwout of the 11 horses. Good luck everyone, it should pay well if you can hit it.

[cecil127]

link to pomp pp's (http://www.trackmaster.com/freeContent/usta/freeContentFiles/hpl/ppk0520x.pdf)

[Tall One]

[QUOTE=Poindexter]I have to handicap further, but this looks extremely tough. I see one throwout of the 11 horses. Good luck everyone, it should pay well if you can hit it.[/QUOTE


Agreed.

Whoever takes it down (hopefully one of us on the board) will definitely earn it.

[mrroyboy]

Best of luck to all. :jump:

[badcompany]

Wow, this is a lot riding on a 4k claimer race.

Just giving the race a once over, I feel comfortable throwing out the 9,10 & 11.

Ranger's horse, #5, figures to cut the mile. I'll give the horse a pass for last week's break.

Hennessy is the X-factor. Does he keep going to the top, or does he take back?

Good luck everyone!

[badcompany]

I'm a bit rusty on this type of bet.

If you pick the winner and box 6 horses underneath for the remaining 4 spots.

6 x 5 x 4 x3 = 360 combos?

If I'm correct, then .2 x 360 = $72

If you do it for 2 horses: $144.

Not a bad way to play it considering the possible return.

[jtschmidt]

9
6-8
6-8
All
All

9
6-8
All
6-8
All

9
6-8
All
All
6-8

9
All
6-8
6-8
All

9
All
6-8
All
6-8

9
All
All
6-8
6-8

$134.40

9
6-8
6-8
1-5-7-11
1-5-7-11

(Wheeled like before keying 9 ontop; $28.80. This is to double up on the chalk)

Saver bet:

6
8-9
8-9
1-5-7-11
1-5-7-11

(Wheeled again, $28.80)

$192 total. We all saw the woodbine pay $860 with all chalk coming back. This field is smaller and carryover is smaller, but it is still worth a good sized play.

[Ray2000]

1...5/1.....Dr Flamingo.............10 yo couldn't win with garden spot trip in last
2...15/1....Maxnifizent.............best class numbers but no win lines.... 2nd time in 4k claimers a threat to hit the board
3...15/1....Oil Magnet..............11 yo, best of the losers...but toss
4...20/1....Docdor Laughing.......toss
5...7/2.....Angle Of Attack........I agree with BadCompany on last race pass, 2 back, no try in 6k's? Golden Post & Bruce..
6...5/2.....American Gold..........1st or 2nd last 4 races, must use
7...12/1...Allamerican Extra.......Hunch must use (Tommy Sells, a good friend in my HeyDay at The Meadows....:))
8...6/1.....Beignet....................Class dropper and 6k winner but jumped in last. needs a better driver
9...8/1.....Fox Valley Christo.......Early battle 5,6,9 ?...tough to win from pp9 (5%)
10..20/1...Joltin' Colt................1st trailer behind a horse with some gate speed
11..20/1...Progresive Hanover......Did beat the 5 in April but a toss from here

Using 2,5,6,7,9,10

looking at 2,5,6,7 / 2,5,6,7 / 2,5,6,7,10 / 2,5,6,7,9,10 /2,5,6,7,9,10,8,11 for 432 tickets $86.40

Not sure yet, may queue it, wait for tote-board

Best of Luck to all here, hope one/some of you cash it.... :)

[badcompany]

5 & 6 on top with six horse box underneath:

2 x $72 = $144:


5-1,3,4,6,7,9

6- 1,3,4,5,7,9

[badcompany]

We all saw the woodbine pay $860 with all chalk coming back. This field is smaller and carryover is smaller, but it is still worth a good sized play.

Yeah, The more I look at it, the more I'd be surprised by a huge payout. There's a good chance they'll be 50+ winning tickets. I'm not seeing a bomb winning or the favs being out of it.

[Poindexter]

Here is my rundown.

Do not have scratches, so I will just handicap assuming the original lineup races.

1) Dr. Flamino-Got a dream trip and had to settle for 2nd. Raced well 3 back, last 2 ot so well. From Rail eligible for a minor award.
2) Maxnifizent-Also had a real nice trip in his last and had to settle for a well beaten 2nd. Prior races were vs much better, but mostly suck along. Low % driver, I assume last is pretty representative of what we can expect from him. That I think makes him eligible for a minor placing.
3) Oil Magnet-was off 2 weeks prior to last and ran poorly. Maybe needed a race, maybe a toss.
4) Docdor Laughing-I will toss.
5) Angle of Attack-Broke at start to lose position in last, but really showed zero after that. Prior effort was pretty poor as a well beaten 6/5 chalk(was put away by the 1st over easy winner). Value might be in trying to get this guy off the ticketa(or at least towards the back end). His 4/25 race 3 back obviously would give him a huge look in here.
6) American Gold-seems on the rise. Did the work 1st over bs while Maxnifizent followed him up. Won as much the best. If he leaves and doesn't get abused up front, I think he is your winner.
7) All American Extra-Wired a pretty weak field earning a pretty lackluster rating. Draws the 7 post and do not think he is leaving from the 7 hole. Has his work cut out.
8) Beignet-very solid contender ability wise. Been facing better. Last race had a brutal trip 3rd over dead cover swung 3wd 1st over into a 27.4 3rd quarter, appeared to have some pace than lost him in the replay(was on a break at the wire). Prior was a solid enough effort swing 3 wide far turn. Closer from the 8 post in a 11 horse field and switch to a 3% driver. I may look to key this guy in the 3/4/5 hole thinking that is probably where he ends up(due to post and driver).

9) Fox Valley Christo-not really impressed with his last. Was 2-1 chalk, winner dished out a 26.4 1st quarter and 27.4 3rd quarter this guy was well placed in the 3 hole with a no use early tuck pulled the 3 hole far turn and was actually outclosed by the 2nd place finisher, and basically just finished up evenly. 9 hole no bargain in an 11 horse field. His figures for the last 2 are good, but I am likely throwing him in the bottom 2 or 3 of the high 5.

10) Joltin Colt-post isnt a disaster, as he gets 2nd tier behind the 1. 1 likely shows some kind of speed so do not see this guy too far back early. This guy is tough to figure. He was solid back in January at this level, and then game back with a nice effort May 2nd off of a 3 month layoff 2nd over to winner, 1st over far turn, kept to task. Then last week. just terrible. I think he is just a throw in for the minor awards.
11) Progressive Hanover-Probably going to be toward the read from the 2 hole 2nd tier. Pretty much been competing well in the condition 4000 level, last race was 1st over and okay, but that was a weak field and he was beaten by 2 horses in here. Switches to a 7% driver. I will likely toss him.

Actually, when reading my notes, it is clear other than the 6 and 8(who is likely to have a rough time winning due to position), not a whole lot I like in here, so likely my play will be focused with 6 winning and 8 being 2nd to 5th.

[cecil127]

6, 9 / 6, 9 / 5, 8 / 5, 8 / 1, 3, 7=$2.40 for the $.20 ticket

&

9 / 5, 6, 8 / 5, 6, 8 / 5, 6, 8 / 1, 3, 7 =$3.60 for the $.20 play.

for a whopping $6 total....lets do this :ThmbUp: :cool:

my guess: 1/2 million $ pool by post time :)

[Tall One]

Just a heads up, Ray, looks like Simard is now driving the 7 and not Sells.

5,6/5,6,9/5,6,7,8,9/1,7,8,9,10/1,7,8,9,10

$24.00

GLA... :ThmbUp:

[coachv30]

2,6,8,9 / 2,5,6,8,9 / 2,5,6,8,9 / 1,2,3,5,6,8,9 / 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10

Total = $153.60.....going halves with a friend but the pressure is on me because I did the handicapping. :D

Good Luck All!!

[La billos]

Joining in on the fun. Good luck all :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

6 / 1,5,7,9 / 1-3,5,7,9,10 / 1,3,5,7-10 / 1-3,5,7-10
1,3,5,7,9 / 6 / 1,3,5,7,9 / 1,3,5,7,9 / 1,3,5,7-9
H5Box 1,5,6,9,10

For a total of $184

[tanner12oz]

I have the 6 over a mess of horses on eight tickets...would be sweet to hit it a couple times

[tanner12oz]

1.2 million in pool right now

[La billos]

Actually bet another ticket 6/5/1-3,7,9,10 / 1-3,7,9,10 / 1,3,7,9,10

Now I feel like a moron for not just going 6/5/All/All/All for 100 bucks instead my original bets

[badcompany]

Apparently the judges are trying figure out which combo they like best :lol:

[tanner12oz]

6-5-8-9-11

I thought the 7 got fifth but my eyes must have been bad

[jtschmidt]

9


Saver bet:

6
8-9
8-9
1-5-7-11
1-5-7-11

(Wheeled again, $28.80)

$192 total. We all saw the woodbine pay $860 with all chalk coming back. This field is smaller and carryover is smaller, but it is still worth a good sized play.

Got it once on tbe saver. Better than nothing.

[Tall One]

Just a heads up, Ray, looks like Simard is now driving the 7 and not Sells.

5,6/5,6,9/5,6,7,8,9/1,7,8,9,10/1,7,8,9,10

$24.00

GLA... :ThmbUp:



:bang:

[badcompany]

Actually bet another ticket 6/5/1-3,7,9,10 / 1-3,7,9,10 / 1,3,7,9,10

Now I feel like a moron for not just going 6/5/All/All/All for 100 bucks instead my original bets

Ironically, for the same $100, a 6/5/All triple would've returned more.

[tanner12oz]

Betting to win on the 6 could have been more lucrative.

#7 came in 6th needed him for 5th

[La billos]

Betting to win on the 6 could have been more lucrative.

#7 came in 6th needed him for 5th

I know right! Was actually having a conversation with a friend today that I should just bet 200 on the 6 instead of chasing the Hi 5

[tanner12oz]

I pissed away $300 with 6 keyed and didn't return a cent...obviously thing could have worked out better but sucks to take a stand..nail it and come up empty...grrrrrr

[Poindexter]

It was unfortunate that there was a breaker at the start who took out at least 2 others and opened up the rail for all the outside horses to grab a seat. What could have been an interesting race with dueling, and horses getting parked the mile and locked in and shuffled....became an uneventful follow the leader type race in which the 3 favorites were well placed and thus eliminated any chance of a price. When a small harness track has an epic betting even like this, it sucks for the sport of harness racing to have something like this happen. If you know harness racing it is just another day in the office but.............On the other hand there were a lot of winning tickets so hopefully a lot of small players were able to pull it down. The 4 most obvious horses and 4 of the 5 top betting choices were 1-4. Not uncommon for players to all the 5 hole. For those who missed the 11 in the 5 hole it sucks because he likely doesn't get there if not for the break, but the race would have had a different outcome without the break.

[Poindexter]

It was unfortunate that there was a breaker at the start who took out at least 2 others and opened up the rail for all the outside horses to grab a seat. What could have been an interesting race with dueling, and horses getting parked the mile and locked in and shuffled....became an uneventful follow the leader type race in which the 3 favorites were well placed and thus eliminated any chance of a price. When a small harness track has an epic betting even like this, it sucks for the sport of harness racing to have something like this happen. If you know harness racing it is just another day in the office but.............On the other hand there were a lot of winning tickets so hopefully a lot of small players were able to pull it down. The 4 most obvious horses and 4 of the 5 top betting choices were 1-4. Not uncommon for players to all the 5 hole. For those who missed the 11 in the 5 hole it sucks because he likely doesn't get there if not for the break, but the race would have had a different outcome without the break.

[Poindexter]

It was unfortunate that there was a breaker at the start who took out at least 2 others and opened up the rail for all the outside horses to grab a seat. What could have been an interesting race with dueling, and horses getting parked the mile and locked in and shuffled....became an uneventful follow the leader type race in which the 3 favorites were well placed and thus eliminated any chance of a price. When a small harness track has an epic betting even like this, it sucks for the sport of harness racing to have something like this happen. If you know harness racing it is just another day in the office but.............On the other hand there were a lot of winning tickets so hopefully a lot of small players were able to pull it down. The 4 most obvious horses and 4 of the 5 top betting choices were 1-4. Not uncommon for players to all the 5 hole. For those who missed the 11 in the 5 hole it sucks because he likely doesn't get there if not for the break, but the race would have had a different outcome without the break.

[badcompany]

Let's face it. It was a waste of time. So much money was pumped into pool that the extra 200k only amount to 15% of the total. Pretty much every bet in the race had better value than the penta. $100 on the exacta cold got you $800.

That same $100 on 6/5/all/all/all = ~500.

[jtschmidt]

The bet had a -1.5% takeout. How is that bad value?

[Tall One]

I had the exacta and tri nailed, but my eyes were blinded by the big prize. :D

For a $24 wager, i wont knock my play, but like poindexter said, that early break caused some issues.

[badcompany]

The bet had a -1.5% takeout. How is that bad value?


The favorites were overbet in the hi 5 compared to the exacta which provided better value even with the higher takeout. The Exacta, which paid $16, played the the same way in the Penta only paid $10.

[tanner12oz]

Its basically impossible to know this though prerace....

[badcompany]

Its basically impossible to know this though prerace....


It was a pretty standard 4k claimer race with two stand outs. JT and I had a clue it wasn't gonna live up to the hype.

What couldn't be predicted was the breaking which allowed the outside horses into the race.

[jtschmidt]

The breakers wiped out all the inside price horses who would have had a chance to force the issue earlier or grab a piece late.

The super only paid $37 or so which still shows that playing the chalk in the hi5 can create value due to a slight negative takeout and some big players shooting for the stars.

If chalk comes in for a pentafecta and you spread deep (like all/all/all), hammering the exacta will probably come back a better return. You get a few bombs underneath and the opposite can be said.

I am actually amazed with how big the pool was!

[badcompany]

I was shocked, too.

I figured they would do 500-600k.

The big winner was Pompano Park. They ended up not having to give back any of the 200k.

The 1.2 million bet on that one 4k claimer race was the handle for about 6 full cards.

[Stillriledup]

I was shocked, too.

I figured they would do 500-600k.

The big winner was Pompano Park. They ended up not having to give back any of the 200k.

The 1.2 million bet on that one 4k claimer race was the handle for about 6 full cards.

Its a good thing the purse of the race was 4k because that would prevent any driver or trainer from doing anything shady into a million dollar pool. Good job by Pompano insuring the race was honestly run due to such a high purse.

[badcompany]

Its a good thing the purse of the race was 4k because that would prevent any driver or trainer from doing anything shady into a million dollar pool. Good job by Pompano insuring the race was honestly run due to such a high purse.


It is suspicious that they managed to get just enough money into the pools so that there was no negative takeout.

It would be interesting to see who had the biggest winning tickets. I find it hard to believe that 12,000 people bet about $100 each.