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[bill]

BUSH IGNORES SICK 9/11 FIREFIGHTERS & COPS

Over the last month, President Bush has repeatedly recounted how he was
inspired by "the courage of the firefighters and the police" [1] in the
aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks. He recounted how, when
standing atop a pile of rubble at Ground Zero, he was told by a firefighter,
"Don't let me down" [2]. But more than two years later, he continues to
ignore the needs of firefighters and police officers who are now suffering
adverse health effects from their rescue efforts at Ground Zero. The
situation has reached a head: yesterday, 1,700 cops and firefighters were
forced to sue in court for the medical help they desperately need [3].

While the President's very first campaign commercial used photos of coffin
draped corpses [4] being pulled from the rubble, the White House has sought
to hide evidence that Ground Zero firefighters and cops were exposed to
hazardous toxins. Specifically, the White House Council on Environmental
Quality (CEQ) intervened to doctor EPA press releases [5] that were supposed
to warn the public about toxins near Ground Zero. The press releases were
modified to claim that the air was safe - despite the fact that there was
not adequate scientific evidence to substantiate that claim. The CEQ was
headed by James Connaughton, a former asbestos industry lawyer who
represented companies in toxic pollution cases [6].

When Ground Zero firefighters and cops began getting sick, the White House
tried to block $90 million in funding [7] for medical treatment. When
Congress forced the Administration to accept the $90 million, the
Administration then delayed the money [8] and threatened to shut down the
health-screening program. Even today, the New York Police Department has
been denied much needed health grants [9].

[Secretariat]

Did you expect anything else? His budgets have continually cut funds for first responders, and NYC fireman have refused to pose for any of his new political ads.

Yet, a billion dollar company Exxon got 7.3 million grant for security. Kind of speaks to priorities doesn't it.

[Lefty]

I thght Hillary was in charge of N.Y.?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Lefty
I thght Hillary was in charge of N.Y.?


Dont' remind me! :mad:

[bill]

guess u think hillery runing the war and thats why its all fd up

[Lefty]

Bill, the war's not in N.Y. and that's because Bush chased them to
the ends of the earth.
Bill, you've been in war, and I don't think things went swimmingly in any of them. We're doing great things in Iraq. Watch Fox and you might hear of some of them.

[JustRalph]

They are fighting over whether this should be a state or Federal issue. The Bush Admin has determined that this should be a state issue. The State should be taking care of these fireman. If the Feds ponie up without legal precident, then it opens the door for future problems. That was even outlined in the 9-11 funds that were setup just after the tragedy. The State is the one who should be responsible for "State Agents" which is what NY Fire and Police are. There are several court decisions that say this. They mostly have to do with Workers comp etc. But they apply. Until some court says so..........the Feds are going to put the burden on the State. Then if future attacks and actions are taken, the State of the occurence will be first in line to support their agents. Unless someone in Congress decides to support a bill otherwise.........the Admin is acting appropriately.

[Lefty]

JR, that's why I made the Hillary comment. Where's the JR Senator in this?

[JustRalph]

It has been a long day........I apologize for spelling and Grammar tonight. I have made a few posts that are even worse than my normal "bad grammar" but it has been a hectic few days. I am off to Cincinnati to save an office of business types from the evils of computer malfunction and their own I.T. department. Not to mention the usual gremlins. If I get done early enough...... I may go watch the Cincinnati Reds and the Florida Marlins partake in a Titanic struggle along the banks of the Ohio River tomorrow night. But the weather may put a damper on it.....Adios Muchachos!

[Secretariat]

Uh...they've cut funding to the states for first responders guys. That's what the whole debate was about. Not that the state should have to INCREASE taxes to pay for first responders when the feds cut funds to the state.

And by the way the war began in NYC and will most likely be hit as a place in another attack. The people there understand the war on terror more than any of us. I've talked with them. THey think Bush is nuts. If you watch those families at the 911 commission they're disgusted with this adminstration.

When you cut the first responders, and then blame it on the State its the hieght of poor taste.

I hope you looked at SUF's graph of how much money goes back to the states that paid in the taxes. New York barely made the track take.

[ljb]

secretariat said
Uh...they've cut funding to the states for first responders guys. That's what the whole debate was about. Not that the state should have to INCREASE taxes to pay for first responders when the feds cut funds to the state.

Sec, this is the crux of the problem. The rightys think they are getting a break with Bush's tax cuts. They fail to admit the additional expenses they are going to have because of these unfair cuts. An increase in state taxes is just the tip of the iceberg, wait until they have to pay tuition costs and find there local governments upping fees/taxes etc. while decreasing services. And what about the rampaging inflation which will come as a result of the massive deficit being created by the borrow and spend Republicans. Oh and i could go on and on and on......

[Secretariat]

But you missed the point LBJ...None of that matters. Lefty got his tax cut. The nation is secure.

[Lefty]

sec you are some piece o' work. I prove that not only the rich get the tax cuts as you libs keep falsely saying and now you get nasty about it. You guys are so hopelessly caught up in your own false notions and rhetoric you don't know where you are.
Tax cuts good. Tax hikes bad. Simple as I can make it.
Yes, when you think about it, millions of people, like me, got tax cuts and put them into the economy. Yes, economically speaking, the nation is ok.
Remember libs, you can lead by example: If you think you're not paying enough, then you can send extra. It's allowed.
Whatever will you harp about when in a few yrs we get a large reduction in this deficit? I'm confident you'll find something. You guys are pessimists, that's why I am not a liberal.

[Secretariat]

So this is the state of the economy you want Lefty?

[Lefty]

It's as good as the so-called-Clinton economy and we're at war.

[ljb]

Lefty said:
It's as good as the so-called-Clinton economy and we're at war.

First, if you think this economy is as good as it was during the years of peace and prosperity under Clinton, you are living in a cave.
Secondly, bragging about this ill conceived and poorly planned Bush war is not something you really want to do.

[Lefty]

lbj, you try my patience. How in hell do you get I said war is good? Learn to understand what you read. Go back and read it till you get it.
Yes, all the numbers indicate we are in a growing economy and it's as good as the one created by the 94 congess during the Clinton yrs. I know you don't want to blve it or be deterred of your hate of Bush, but it's true. There ya go...

[Lefty]

lbj, tell the freed Iraquis and the ones opening businesses and the ones benefitting from new hospitals and whose children have been vaccinated, and the realtives of the victims in the mass graves of Saddam, and the 4 businessmen who just visited Bush, who had their hands amputated by Saddam, that it was ill conceived and poorly planned. War is not Chess and you can't look over the board and anticipate the enemies every move.

[ljb]

Lefty,
You should really be more concerned with the 80 + percent of Iraquis that want us out of there. We have already tried Chalabi's method and it didn't work.
And tell the hundreds of thousands of people out of work about how good the economy is. Think about it Lefty. Turn off the radio and try to think for youself.

[Lefty]

lbj, that no. is hogwash. There was a minister on Hannity and Colmes last night who was against the war till he went to Iraq and talked to the average Iraqui. He says we must finish what we started. Just about every soldier who returns or calls Rush or Hannity say the same thing.
Why are you so against freedom? Oh, I know, you're a lib who's a budding socialist.

[Tom]

This is a city/state issue. I am a New Yorker and we can take care of our own. We have more than enough money to do it. The problem is that the NY pols are noting but slimmy bastards who represent their own interestes. Our Govenor has the brain capacity of oatmeal abd or entire legistlature would fit better in Attic than walking the streets.
What we in NY cannot do it take the war to the cockroaches that strated it and support terror. Let the Feds take that one one. Fedeal money to single state issues is one of the bottom line reason we have such a huge debt (not deficit....DEBT).
NY can take care of its own.

[Lefty]

lbj, the unemployment rate is the same now as it was during Clinton. Now why is it good then and bad now when it's the same? Even in a good economy there will always been people out of work, or didn't ya know that? Prob. not.

[chickenhead]

Originally posted by Lefty
It's as good as the so-called-Clinton economy and we're at war.

massive deficit spending is good for the economy, us libs invented that :) It's like a short term sugar high.

[kenwoodallpromos]

FYI, the conservatives Like It when taxes are cut and locals take care of local problems- it is called less federal and less centralized govt.
Demos want more centralized control and more taxes- anyone who does not believe me, read this thread.
US has a gas reserve that Dlinton tappped into because oil is natl thing.

[ljb]

From Kenwoodallpromos
FYI, the conservatives Like It when taxes are cut and locals take care of local problems- it is called less federal and less centralized govt.

So when the Republican President calls for an amendment to the constitution banning gay marriage, this is less federal control? Or when the federal government puts out an underfunded mandate called "No child left behind", that is less federal control? You are talking about the conservatives of times gone by. These folks in control now want total control. Not just of the U.S. but the world. They are even trying to tell a foreign country what type of government they should have.

[ljb]

Lefty,
Hate to post facts, you seem to get totally upset with the truth. The fact is the unemployment rate is a fictional figure. It does not include the thousands who have simply given up or those who have run out of benefits. There has been a greater loss of jobs under this administration then any administration since Hoover.

[ljb]

Lefty,
I agree, we must clean up the mess Bush has got us in in Iraq. And I don't recall saying I was against freedom.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally posted by ljb
Lefty,
Hate to post facts, you seem to get totally upset with the truth. The fact is the unemployment rate is a fictional figure. It does not include the thousands who have simply given up or those who have run out of benefits. There has been a greater loss of jobs under this administration then any administration since Hoover.


Yes, I get it. The fig is NOW a fictional figure when it gets in the way of your point. When it helps your point, I betcha it will be quite a VALID figure....

[Lefty]

lbj, You cite a Republican Pres wanting to defend marriage, but wasn't it a Dem named Clinton who introduced the defensive marriage act? Hmmmm?
And the truth is, lbj, the economy is growing. But it doesn't jibe with your doom and gloom that you wish upon this Pres and on this country.
You don't have to say you're against freedom, what you do say, implies it greatly.

[kenwoodallpromos]

How did a thread bout local safety officers turn into a gay marriage thing; that is off topic. I am talking about the rank and file conservatives want local workers paid out of local funds.
I do not remember Bush making a campaign promise to throw more money at the teachers' union for worse and worse grades; Congress passed a law to require schools to prove they perform decently to get federal subsidies. Mayb he should require schools help put a man on Mars to get funding.
Most rank and file conservatives are against the gay amendment. Why do libs want gay marriage when aids is up among gays? Public health is why marriages are not allowed with same sex, animals, and girls too small to have safe childbirth.

[Lance]

Kenwood wrote:

"Why do libs want gay marriage when aids is up among gays?"

Possibly because Aids is up among gays.

"Public health is why marriages are not allowed with same sex, animals, and girls too small to have safe childbirth."

Then why isn't lesbian marriage legal in every state? Certainly lesbian sex is safer than heterosexual sex. I say ban heterosexual marriage and legalize lesbian marriage.