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lamboguy
05-05-2015, 07:26 PM
i bet a cold daily double at the mountain tonight 8-6. the first race was on the turf while the second race was scheduled on the turf. they come out and the riders refuse to race on the turf.
the horse i bet has zero chance on dirt, i would have never played him. no i will be losing my $40 instead of winning $80.
its stuff like this that makes you scratch your head.
lamboguy
05-05-2015, 07:28 PM
its not only in horse racing, the big fight last weekend had the guy fighting with a bum shoulder and people betting their money on him with no chance as well.
with that shoulder you could have laid 200-1 and could never lose the bet.
Some_One
05-05-2015, 08:07 PM
Inbetween the first and second they took the 2nd off and the DD/P3 didn't get the ALL treatment? Pathetic if that is the case.
BlueChip@DRF
05-05-2015, 08:39 PM
Sounds like a scam....
thespaah
05-06-2015, 12:04 AM
i bet a cold daily double at the mountain tonight 8-6. the first race was on the turf while the second race was scheduled on the turf. they come out and the riders refuse to race on the turf.
the horse i bet has zero chance on dirt, i would have never played him. no i will be losing my $40 instead of winning $80.
its stuff like this that makes you scratch your head.
Any word as to why the jockeys refused to ride on the thatch there?
Should be a refund, but we're only bettors. Track doesn't get a cut of refunds.
lamboguy
05-06-2015, 12:13 AM
the other thing that happened this weekend is that all the Ramsey horses got scratched on Kentucky Derby day at Churchill. they asked Ramsey and the trainer's why the horses were pulled from the races, all of them answered no comment.
there will be a day that all those horses show up to run, and it looks like we are supposed to handicap the races run in with no comment. if they don't want to comment it surely is their right, but they should never be able to run those horses again until they explain what happened to all of them before they were supposed to race. the pools should be protected from moves like these because in my mind there was something wrong with all those horses, if there was't the trainer's and owner certainly have a big edge over me in the pari mutuel pools.
Stoleitbreezing
05-06-2015, 12:21 AM
the other thing that happened this weekend is that all the Ramsey horses got scratched on Kentucky Derby day at Churchill. they asked Ramsey and the trainer's why the horses were pulled from the races, all of them answered no comment.
there will be a day that all those horses show up to run, and it looks like we are supposed to handicap the races run in with no comment. if they don't want to comment it surely is their right, but they should never be able to run those horses again until they explain what happened to all of them before they were supposed to race. the pools should be protected from moves like these because in my mind there was something wrong with all those horses, if there was't the trainer's and owner certainly have a big edge over me in the pari mutuel pools.
I read something somewhere that said Ramsey pulled the horses from the Woodford because Chad Brown entered another horse in the same race for different connections. Ramsey was upset about that and scratched his horses. I'm not sure if this was the case. Either way it cost me an out in the pick 3. Not happy about it.
lamboguy
05-06-2015, 12:30 AM
the NFL gives the injury reports to the public with plenty of time to make their decisions on how they are going to bet or make their fantasy picks. i don't know how good the reports are, but at least the public has something to go by. if they didn't show these reports the stands would be half empty and they would lose their viewing audience on television.
in horse racing, the better and the rest of the public are limited on their knowledge of what is going on with the horses, training wise, injury and medication wise.
Stillriledup
05-06-2015, 03:36 AM
the NFL gives the injury reports to the public with plenty of time to make their decisions on how they are going to bet or make their fantasy picks. i don't know how good the reports are, but at least the public has something to go by. if they didn't show these reports the stands would be half empty and they would lose their viewing audience on television.
in horse racing, the better and the rest of the public are limited on their knowledge of what is going on with the horses, training wise, injury and medication wise.
And horse racing is completely dependent on Gambling, the NFL, not as much.
One of the biggest reasons its hard to win money is because vet reports are incredibly valuable and i have to imagine some very big bettors somehow have access to these reports as well as some trainers and owners who bet huge. If you are a guy betting 50 to 100 million a year and profiting a few million, what's it worth to get the information from the vet who works on the most horses on the backstretch of a major track? Gotta be worth a few hundred grand for these reports, right?
duncan04
05-06-2015, 04:58 AM
Any word as to why the jockeys refused to ride on the thatch there?
From what I heard the turf was a mess. There was a part where the horses were losing their footing and there were holes and dips in the turf course.
lamboguy
05-06-2015, 05:00 AM
And horse racing is completely dependent on Gambling, the NFL, not as much.
One of the biggest reasons its hard to win money is because vet reports are incredibly valuable and i have to imagine some very big bettors somehow have access to these reports as well as some trainers and owners who bet huge. If you are a guy betting 50 to 100 million a year and profiting a few million, what's it worth to get the information from the vet who works on the most horses on the backstretch of a major track? Gotta be worth a few hundred grand for these reports, right?
in the mid 1970's i made millions knowing who the goaltender was going to be in the National Hockey League before the odds maker's knew. the irony is that the takeout in hockey back then was more than it is in horseracing today and there was no such thing as rebates.
in the mid 1970's i made millions knowing who the goaltender was going to be in the National Hockey League before the odds maker's knew. the irony is that the takeout in hockey back then was more than it is in horseracing today and there was no such thing as rebates.
MILLIONS ? :lol:
camourous
05-06-2015, 08:02 AM
Parx did the same thing to me 2 years back, i had the pick 3 going. It was 3 straight grass races, and it was a bright sunny day.
1st race stayed on and i hit a 3-1 shot, i had 2 horses in the next leg and 3 in the last leg. 5 minutes to post for the 2nd leg, they announce it is off the turf. Both my horses can't stand up on the dirt and ran nowhere.
What annoyed me is there were 7 horses in the 2nd leg, only 2 of them were ridden by Parx riders who were both dirt horses, the other 5 riders were out of towners and a 10lb bug. Of course the 2 PARX riders ran 1-2.
fiveouttasix
05-06-2015, 08:10 AM
Not to mention ...come to find out Dortmund had been sick a week prior to the Derby... That is something I wish I had known before I bet him!
Rise Over Run
05-06-2015, 08:27 AM
Parx did the same thing to me 2 years back, i had the pick 3 going. It was 3 straight grass races, and it was a bright sunny day.
1st race stayed on and i hit a 3-1 shot, i had 2 horses in the next leg and 3 in the last leg. 5 minutes to post for the 2nd leg, they announce it is off the turf. Both my horses can't stand up on the dirt and ran nowhere.
What annoyed me is there were 7 horses in the 2nd leg, only 2 of them were ridden by Parx riders who were both dirt horses, the other 5 riders were out of towners and a 10lb bug. Of course the 2 PARX riders ran 1-2.
August 4, 2013 Race 8 - "The jockeys refused to ride on the turf course following the seventh race. The eighth and ninth race were both moved to the main track."
And your first leg winner was only 8/5, not 3-1. :blush: I assume that you had Relay Bill (Race 8 - finished 4th at 4/5) in your pick 3 plays. I had been waiting to play him back off his 7/9/13 performance; he had no chance when the race was pulled off the turf. He won easy next time out at Monmouth in late August at 7/2, but never ran again.
proximity
05-06-2015, 09:16 AM
And your first leg winner was only 8/5, not 3-1. :blush: I assume that you had Relay Bill (Race 8 - finished 4th at 4/5) in your pick 3 plays. I had been waiting to play him back off his 7/9/13 performance; he had no chance when the race was pulled off the turf. He won easy next time out at Monmouth in late August at 7/2, but never ran again.
off topic, but relay bill had to be one of the hottest horses in pen history for his first start.
word around the racino was that they were going to bet a horse from oaklawn (they did) BUT..... relay bill was going to win. (he did) :cool:
no telling how much the pen racing illuminati took down through cantor gaming!! :D
codysakic
05-06-2015, 10:03 AM
Not to mention ...come to find out Dortmund had been sick a week prior to the Derby... That is something I wish I had known before I bet him!
Had I known that I would have laid that hundred dollar win bet on AP. Should have done that to begin with :mad:
Pensacola Pete
05-06-2015, 01:48 PM
Any word as to why the jockeys refused to ride on the thatch there?
It was raining. The grass at that track (most tracks but especially Mountaineer) gets really slick. The horses can't get footing, and their legs go out behind them as they push. It's very unsafe. I don't blame the jockeys at all.
What the stewards should do if a race is taken off the turf is eliminate the race from all bets that have started before the race was taken off the turf. In other words, they'd have a consolation double with all who had the winner of the first race. If there had been a pick 3 on the first race, the second race would work as "all" and the bet would pay the tickets with the winners of the first and third races. That wouldn't apply to the pick 4 on the second race since it was taken off the turf before any races in the sequence started.
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