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sbcaris
05-05-2015, 04:59 PM
In the last 40 years (1975-2014) that the Derby winner raced in the Preakness 16 of them won the Preakness. Thats 40% of the time. Some great horses were included in this stat: Slew, Sec, Bid, Affirmed, Sunday Silence, etc.

So, 24 out of the last 40 Derby winners lost the Preakness. Most Derby winners lose the Preakness (60% of the time).

There were a few years when the Derby winner did not go in the Preakness:
Grindstone 1996, Spend A Buck 1985 and Sunnys Halo 1983 (if I remember correctly) did not run in the Preakness.
boys at tosconova
05-05-2015, 05:40 PM
sadly,.....you cannot rule out a $10 exacta and $25 triple.
letswastemoney
05-05-2015, 06:40 PM
They were all speed horses that won the Derby and Preakness. That tips the statistics in favor of American Pharoah.
RXB
05-05-2015, 07:07 PM
Pleasant Colony was a deep closer and some others were more midpack runners than early runners.
VeryOldMan
05-05-2015, 07:09 PM
In the last 40 years (1975-2014) that the Derby winner raced in the Preakness 16 of them won the Preakness. Thats 40% of the time. Some great horses were included in this stat: Slew, Sec, Bid, Affirmed, Sunday Silence, etc.

Sec = Secretariat? Not in the timeframe. 1973.
Inner Dirt
05-05-2015, 07:13 PM
A lot of times the best horse losses the Derby because of a bad trip and comes back to win the Preakness.
nads1420
05-05-2015, 08:14 PM
the Preakness payouts are sure to disappoint... gonna have to hit the tri and bet it heavy

Pharoah W/ Firing Line, Dortmund W ALL and pound it hard
letswastemoney
05-05-2015, 08:18 PM
the Preakness payouts are sure to disappoint... gonna have to hit the tri and bet it heavy

Pharoah W/ Firing Line, Dortmund W ALL and pound it hardOr just skip and wait for a better opportunity...
RXB
05-05-2015, 08:23 PM
Or just skip and wait for a better opportunity...

That's probably the best idea.
nads1420
05-05-2015, 08:29 PM
Or just skip and wait for a better opportunity...


true, but im going to it so i gotta bet it
BlueChip@DRF
05-05-2015, 08:29 PM
the Preakness payouts are sure to disappoint... gonna have to hit the tri and bet it heavy

Pharoah W/ Firing Line, Dortmund W ALL and pound it hard

Everyone else will have the same idea. I don't think that trifecta will break 3 digits. Firing Line might upset.
nads1420
05-05-2015, 08:42 PM
Everyone else will have the same idea. I don't think that trifecta will break 3 digits. Firing Line might upset.



eh your completely right, he could and im gonna have a little something on it, but right now i think my plan is trying to figure out what kind of bet i have to make with american pharoah on top that if i hit it and he wins it pays for my trip to Belmont with a triple crown on the line...
BlueChip@DRF
05-05-2015, 08:45 PM
eh your completely right, he could and im gonna have a little something on it, but right now i think my plan is trying to figure out what kind of bet i have to make with american pharoah on top that if i hit it and he wins it pays for my trip to Belmont with a triple crown on the line...

Just bypass the Preakness and hope AP wins it. Then you can get a price on another contender in the Belmont because everyone will have all those uncashed AP Win tickets and AP on top to keep as souvenirs.

:p
minethatbird08
05-05-2015, 09:16 PM
sadly,.....you cannot rule out a $10 exacta and $25 triple.

Looks like you are spot on.

Payouts for the Curlin, Street Sense, Hard Spun Preakness (last time Derby Top 3 in both KD and Preakness):

$1 Tri paid 25, Exacta was a shade over $10
nads1420
05-06-2015, 08:07 AM
Looks like you are spot on.

Payouts for the Curlin, Street Sense, Hard Spun Preakness (last time Derby Top 3 in both KD and Preakness):

$1 Tri paid 25, Exacta was a shade over $10



pretty sure we going to get the same top 3 in this preakness as the derby....