long long layoffs

[Elliott Sidewater]

What is the longest layoff you've ever seen for a winning horse?

In the 8th race at Parx today, Lunarwarfare won coming off a 608 day layoff. The workout pattern and back figures were promising, but the date must have scared a lot of bettors off- this horse was the #1 prime power horse in the race and he paid $10.60 to win. Graham Motion, at Fair Hill Training Center.

[Stillriledup]

I think Baffert had a horse recently that won off a 2 year layoff, but i think about 2 years is the longest i can remember.

[Elliott Sidewater]

I think it takes an awfully good trainer to pull this off, regardless of how good the horse was before the layoff.

[Binder]

4-1 is not bad but I passed . Horse's off long layoffs at
6 furlongs at Parx last 80 races ( this level older males)

Winners DSLR
1-6 = 0
7-13= 2
14-20=20
21-27=13
28-34= 14
35-41= 9
42-48= 9
49-55= 2
56-62= 2
63-69= 1
70-76 = 0
77-83 = 1
84-90 = 0
91-100 = 1
100-129= 1
0ver 130 = 1 (608)

The race was strange in that there were many others off long layoffs, also in the race
#1 off 77 days
#2 off 30 days
#3 off 608 days
#4 off 358 days
#5 off 217 days
#6 off 14 days
#7 off 46 days
#7 Scr
#8 off 41 day

[SG4]

Wasn't a winning comeback race, but A Huevo was off for close to 4 years, returned to finish 7th in a small stake at Mountaineer, 3 months later he was a G1 winner. The magic of Dickinson.

Bernster was off for 2 weeks shy of 3 years when he returned to win at Los Al in December for Baffert, think that's who was being thought of earlier.

[DeltaLover]

What is the longest layoff you've ever seen for a winning horse?

In the 8th race at Parx today, Lunarwarfare won coming off a 608 day layoff. The workout pattern and back figures were promising, but the date must have scared a lot of bettors off- this horse was the #1 prime power horse in the race and he paid $10.60 to win. Graham Motion, at Fair Hill Training Center.

Da Hoss, is the most typical example of this case.. Read here (http://www.themindofagambler.com/2013/02/06/dont-be-fooled-by-da-hoss/) for my thoughts about him...

By the way, I cannot resist the temptation to say that I've had a good sized win bet in the :3: today, who was picked as a primary bet from my systems!

[Stillriledup]

Wasn't a winning comeback race, but A Huevo was off for close to 4 years, returned to finish 7th in a small stake at Mountaineer, 3 months later he was a G1 winner. The magic of Dickinson.

Bernster was off for 2 weeks shy of 3 years when he returned to win at Los Al in December for Baffert, think that's who was being thought of earlier.

Great call, i didnt remember that it was almost 3 years, geez, that's some training job.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118886&highlight=bernster

[Elliott Sidewater]

Congrats on that bet, you certainly got value there. I was more surprised at what he paid than the fact that he won. At second glance, that was a really strong workout pattern....

[castaway01]

Congrats on that bet, you certainly got value there. I was more surprised at what he paid than the fact that he won. At second glance, that was a really strong workout pattern....

It's definitely a trainer thing. Some trainers are threats with a 180+ day layoff. I still feel that in dirt races, some people toss these horses out of instinct and miss out on some decent prices. In turf races handicappers are more willing to bet layoff horses.

[speculus]

I think it takes an awfully good trainer to pull this off, regardless of how good the horse was before the layoff.

:ThmbUp::ThmbUp::ThmbUp:

[Elliott Sidewater]

Well, a horse won at Penn National on 6/5 off of a 987 day layoff. And paid only $4.60. The horse Not Today was an 8 year old, winning the second race of his career.

[thaskalos]

Well, a horse won at Penn National on 6/5 off of a 987 day layoff. And paid only $4.60. The horse Not Today was an 8 year old, winning the second race of his career.
Well...horses HAVE been known to improve in their second lifetime start. :)

[Tom]

Mill Reef. 8 years.
He had been running hunt meets and came back for our 4 mile and 70 yard race at Finger Lakes.

I bet him.
He got lapped!

[Elliott Sidewater]

Mill Reef. 8 years.
He had been running hunt meets and came back for our 4 mile and 70 yard race at Finger Lakes.

I bet him.
He got lapped!
Doesn't count - the horse has to win after an extended layoff. Da Hoss won off a 715 day layoff and A Huevo didn't win off a longer layoff. Bernster (1081 days) is still on top here, until someone comes back with something even wilder. The chart of Bernster's win includes the following comment "...was shown the whip as a reminder." Now that's a good chartcaller.

[pondman]

A horse with 2 horrible races in S. Cal took off 3 years and came back and won an $8,000 mc at GG as 6 year old.

[Dan Montilion]

Many of those long layoff types, that won or ran well in NoCal came from unrecognized racetracks. Though it was more typical of first timers that had races under their belt. Usually came from altitude in Nevada, Utah and Wyoming. Not likely as much today as it seems even the smallest outposts are recognized now.

[SG4]

In Santa Anita's 5th tomorrow we have 10 year old Chosen Empire coming back off a 869 day layoff, making his first start on the downhill turf course. Don't see that everyday for a horse of that age.

On a different note, thinking about old-timers coming back off long layoffs, does anyone know if there was a decent ending to the story of Real Estate? He was a stake winner, went off to stud, guess that didn't go that well so he returned from a layoff of 4 1/2 years (for Allen Jerkens no less) and then runs about 25 times in the next 18 months, mostly on the lower end of the claiming circuit. His final race he was off the board for 5k at Penn National, usually not the best harbinger of things to come, but hoping someone scooped him up for a good home.

[Shemp Howard]

Well, a horse won at Penn National on 6/5 off of a 987 day layoff. And paid only $4.60. The horse Not Today was an 8 year old, winning the second race of his career.

Tells you all you need to know about the quality of the racing at Penn National.

[cnollfan]

I'm playing I'mjustlikeyou :12: in the 10th at Gulfstream today off a three year layoff.