American Pharoah wins the KY Derby

[FantasticDan]

Chalkiest TRI ever? :ThmbDown:

But must respect for AP.. :ThmbUp:

[098poi]

I lost my ex but still a very exciting race.

[tucker6]

congrats to AP. An extremely well run race by jockey and horse. AP answered a lot of open questions today about his late race speed.

[tucker6]

what was the race time?

[Clocker]

congrats to AP. An extremely well run race by jockey and horse.

Couldn't have asked for a better trip from the 18 hole.

[boys at tosconova]

there's no way that exacta should have paid 72..

obv got shorted a little in the trip w/ dortmund @ 101...but in all seriousness,..this is the 1st/2nd number you should call out w/ AP on top

[Some_One]

what was the race time?

203.02

[tucker6]

203.02
Thanks. The race felt slow as it unfolded, and thought Dortmund and/or Firing Line would fire better than AP in the stretch given the pace. I thought Dortmund ran a perfect race to win.

[linrom1]

The most boring KY Derby I had ever seen! The three front runners all hold on, with no closers or challengers in sight.

It looked like a workout with a pedestrian pace.

[RacingFan1992]

Love that he is a homebred. I am a superstitious person and the two that are bugging out at me for the Triple Crown is that he has never raced at Belmont and all the ones who won it, have raced at Belmont and there has never been a Hispanic jockey who won the Triple Crown.....yet. Those are the trends I've noticed.

[Relwob Owner]

Love that he is a homebred. I am a superstitious person and the two that are bugging out at me for the Triple Crown is that he has never raced at Belmont and all the ones who won it, have raced at Belmont and there has never been a Hispanic jockey who won the Triple Crown.....yet. Those are the trends I've noticed.


Tough owner to root for

[RacingFan1992]

Tough owner to root for

Not a fan of Baffert. Not that he is a bad trainer, I just don't like him.

[nads1420]

thought it was an uneventful derby....

[Some_One]

Take a look at the break, horses that you would figure to go forward, 888, Mr Z and Upstart, their jockeys are pulling hard to restrain and Materality missed the break. That left AP/FL/Dort with an easy lead.

[Valuist]

Seemed reminiscent of the 2002 Derby when War Emblem, Proud Citizen and Perfect Drift pretty much ran 1-2-3 around the track.

[PaceMasterT]

Not a fan of Baffert. Not that he is a bad trainer, I just don't like him.


A horse has no choice about who owns or trains him. I had to get over that also as I am very skeptical of Baffert and the Ramseys and I liked American Pharaoh and International Star 1-2. IS scratched, but I'm still rooting for AP for the Triple Crown. This is the sport of kings, and if you don't have kings money, you have to put up with some undesirables ruling your sport.

[boys at tosconova]

it's understandable to be jealous of baffert and his flow. not many have that white swag going on.

[Relwob Owner]

A horse has no choice about who owns or trains him. I had to get over that also as I am very skeptical of Baffert and the Ramseys and I liked American Pharaoh and International Star 1-2. IS scratched, but I'm still rooting for AP for the Triple Crown. This is the sport of kings, and if you don't have kings money, you have to put up with some undesirables ruling your sport.

Zayat certainly has an eventful history with money

[ArlJim78]

this is the year of favorites and form for the three yo's.
no surprises all year so far.

1- Arkansas Derby winner
2- Sunland Derby winner
3- Santa Anita derby winner
4- Wood Memorial winner

[PaceMasterT]

Zayat certainly has an eventful history with money


Yeah, but if Zayat wasn't buying and breeding American horses, where would this sport be? Not many trying to advance the lineage and a lot of cheating, drugging and four horse fields going on with horseman trying to get every last cent of casino money they can. I'm this jaded and I love horse racing. This sport is doomed.

[Tall One]

Tough owner to root for



Agreed.

Congrats to the guys on the board who did some good today.. :ThmbUp:

[Relwob Owner]

Agreed.

Congrats to the guys on the board who did some good today.. :ThmbUp:


I second that. Most took an early stand with him and happy they got rewarded.

[Relwob Owner]

Yeah, but if Zayat wasn't buying and breeding American horses, where would this sport be? Not many trying to advance the lineage and a lot of cheating, drugging and four horse fields going on with horseman trying to get every last cent of casino money they can. I'm this jaded and I love horse racing. This sport is doomed.

I hear ya but not nearly enough for me to root for him.

[SmartyParty]

Tough owner to root for

I agree.

[horses4courses]

I don't understand why he's a tough owner to root for.

If you followed the whole Paynter saga while that colt
was near death's door, it's hard not to admire the Zayats. :ThmbUp:

[Relwob Owner]

I don't understand why he's a tough owner to root for.

If you followed the whole Paynter saga while that colt
was near death's door, it's hard not to admire the Zayats. :ThmbUp:

Do some research. Not hard to figure out

[ArlJim78]

Kudos to Zayat. He's always gracious in victory or defeat, easy for me to root for.

[magwell]

Kudos to Zayat. He's always gracious in victory or defeat, easy for me to root for.:ThmbUp::ThmbUp: lets hope he stays sound, he's the real deal.......:cool:

[tucker6]

I don't understand why he's a tough owner to root for.

If you followed the whole Paynter saga while that colt
was near death's door, it's hard not to admire the Zayats. :ThmbUp:
agree :ThmbUp:

[PaceMasterT]

:ThmbUp::ThmbUp: lets hope he stays sound, he's the real deal.......:cool:


Yes. I would love to see Triple Crown winner regardless of owner and trainer. But, make him earn it. Please other owners/trainers, don't back down. Throw everything you got at him.

[Donttellmeshowme]

Thought the 10 horse was very game all the way down the lane he wouldnt go away

[La billos]

Just got back from an eventful up and down day at the track. Had Firing Line for 400W so I was cheering like crazy down the stretch, on top of 10 buck exs, some tris and supers with FL on top. So it was heartbreaking to see him get 2nd, although he ran a huge race.

I did however back myself up with a 50 buck ex AP FL which paid 1800 bucks so I can't be too angry. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[horses4courses]

Do some research. Not hard to figure out

Ummm, no thanks

I saw more than enough good displayed by both
Justin and Ahmed Zayat concerning Paynter.

[Relwob Owner]

Ummm, no thanks

I saw more than enough good displayed by both
Justin and Ahmed Zayat concerning Paynter.

Strange, but whatever floats your boat.

[Clocker]

Tough owner to root for

Why? Several responses on this theme, but no one will give a hint for their reasoning.

[Midnight Cruiser]

I lost my ex but still a very exciting race.


I can see if I can mine to date you.

[LottaKash]

Yes. I would love to see Triple Crown winner regardless of owner and trainer. But, make him earn it. Please other owners/trainers, don't back down. Throw everything you got at him.

Well I think he earned it today at least...

I was worried a bit about my play on AP, and I didn't hear anyone call any attention to it or mention it, but when AP was in the saddle and walking area, he was very sweaty all down his neck...Dripping...He was also nervous with that big crowd and his groom kept turning AP to face the back wall to distract him I guess....

And, during the Post Parade while seeming very alert, he seemed all the more nervous and twitchy, almost unruly...I said to myself, "yikes, that can't be good"..... I don't know how he is normally, but I have seen champions and speed horses act that way sometimes, you know, just wanting to go...

Yet AP even with the added distance, and all that wasted nervous energy, he still showed them who he is, so far....

I think if that was a wake up call and the horse is or becomes to used to big crowds, I truly believe that this horse has the ability to improve even more, and perhaps too, to make the TC his very own.....

We will see...I hope he comes out of this race in good shape...

[JustRalph]

Yeah, but if Zayat wasn't buying and breeding American horses, where would this sport be? Not many trying to advance the lineage and a lot of cheating, drugging and four horse fields going on with horseman trying to get every last cent of casino money they can. I'm this jaded and I love horse racing. This sport is doomed.

I don't know enough about Zayat to judge, but the rest of your post gets a huge Amen from me.

[PaceAdvantage]

and there has never been a Hispanic jockey who won the Triple CrownWTF?

[PaceAdvantage]

Tough owner to root forI've never rooted for an owner...ever...not even Mrs. Genter... :lol: Never rooted against them either.

Don't get that whole mindset when it comes to the horse...that's who I root for.

[Donttellmeshowme]

Why? Several responses on this theme, but no one will give a hint for their reasoning.




Zayat had some money problems and i want to say was suing a sales company at one time? I could be wrong and probably are maybe someone else can chime in

[PaceAdvantage]

I think people are still upset that Zayat was looking to keep Rachel Alexandra out of the Preakness.

However, after reading this in the Bloodhorse, I am reminded Zayat certainly wasn't the only one. Holy shit! The following reads like something out of the twilight zone :eek: ...how did I miss this back then? Marylou was in on the act? And the connections of Mine That Bird? Really?

After reading the following, it's no wonder this is such a dysfunctional sport, especially at the top levels...have a gander at the following:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/50705/zayat-reconsiders-wont-keep-rachel-out

At least Zayat reconsidered and decided not to try and keep RA out of the Preakness.

I don't hold a grudge against him for this.

[minethatbird08]

Congrats to everyone who won my money in the win, super, and show pools. Hope we get a triple crown winner out of this, as a fan.

[nijinski]

Zayat had some money problems and i want to say was suing a sales company at one time? I could be wrong and probably are maybe someone else can chime in

He sold his beverage co to Heinekin for over $280 million and still
it's said stiffed many creditors including auction companies later :

here's some .....
Zayat Stables sought protection from creditors in February after Fifth Third said it defaulted on a $34.2 million loan. Under the reorganization, Fifth Third will be paid by 2014 and unsecured creditors will get their money back over two years without interest.




“While Chapter 11 was a necessary step to take, Zayat Stables has emerged stronger and we are excited about building on our many recent successes in the racing industry,” stables owner Ahmed Zayat said in a statement


I think some wouldn't trust him lol but he's one lucky guy

[nijinski]

I think people are still upset that Zayat was looking to keep Rachel Alexandra out of the Preakness.

However, after reading this in the Bloodhorse, I am reminded Zayat certainly wasn't the only one. Holy shit! The following reads like something out of the twilight zone :eek: ...how did I miss this back then? Marylou was in on the act? And the connections of Mine That Bird? Really?

After reading the following, it's no wonder this is such a dysfunctional sport, especially at the top levels...have a gander at the following:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/50705/zayat-reconsiders-wont-keep-rachel-out

At least Zayat reconsidered and decided not to try and keep RA out of the Preakness.

I don't hold a grudge against him for this.


He was smart not to mess with Jackson/Stonestreet . When he was
reorganizing he sold an interest of Eskendereya to them. I think they
ended up with a major interest .

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Quality win.

Horse earned it as :10: Firing Line was more than game.

Congrats to the connections. Not much more needs to be said.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Ummm, no thanks

I saw more than enough good displayed by both
Justin and Ahmed Zayat concerning Paynter.

The whole situation with Fifth Third left some with a bad taste.

I'm confused by your comments about Paynter - what did they do so out of the ordinary?

[upthecreek]

Thought the 10 horse was very game all the way down the lane he wouldnt go away

Did any notice or think that Firing Line never changed leads and may have cost him the race? The guys over @ ECHR thought so and said nobody on NBC ever mentioned it.

[ArlJim78]

I thought Firing Line ran a great race, considering that Stevens seemed more interested in keeping AP wide the whole time than in his own mount. I'd say yeah if he changed leads it would have been a dogfight to the end and he might have taken it.

[depalma113]

I thought Firing Line ran a great race, considering that Stevens seemed more interested in keeping AP wide the whole time than in his own mount. I'd say yeah if he changed leads it would have been a dogfight to the end and he might have taken it.

Stevens knew what he was doing. He had Dortmund any time he wanted him. He knew where the real threat was. He did everything (floating him wide) that he could possible do to make American Pharoah beat him.

[horses4courses]

I'm confused by your comments about Paynter - what did they do so out of the ordinary?

Some owners in their position would have been satisfied
with collecting the insurance money on a failing horse.
That was clearly not the case here - they cared.

[Relwob Owner]

Some owners in their position would have been satisfied
with collecting the insurance money on a failing horse.
That was clearly not the case here - they cared.

How much was the horse insured for?

[horses4courses]

How much was the horse insured for?

You tell me....you seem to be an expert on all this.

Even if the horse wasn't insured at all,
the vet bills to keep him alive must have been enormous.

[Relwob Owner]

You tell me....you seem to be an expert on all this.

Even if the horse wasn't insured at all,
the vet bills to keep him alive must have been enormous.

I just figured since you were basing your opinion of him solely on this act, you would know.

[horses4courses]

I just figured since you were basing your opinion of him solely on this act, you would know.

I based my opinions on what I saw from the Zayats on twitter.
Their almost hourly updates on a dying horse came from the heart,
or if they didn't, they pulled a great acting job and are complete frauds.

Caring horse owners, or frauds?
Take your pick, bowler.

[raybo]

WTF?

My exact response! Man, some people just haven't a clue.

[Relwob Owner]

I based my opinions on what I saw from the Zayats on twitter.
Their almost hourly updates on a dying horse came from the heart,
or if they didn't, they pulled a great acting job and are complete frauds.

Caring horse owners, or frauds?
Take your pick, bowler.

In that situation, I'm sure they cared but this wasn't a gelding or a cheap claimer. This was a well bred horse and thus, had potential as a stud, a career he started last year, I believe.So, maybe it was a case of being a caring horse owners who also had a financial incentive as well? We can only speculate, which is why we post on here....one thing that I know for sure is that you used the horse being insured as a basis for your ultimate opinion and you have no idea if the horse was insured and if so for how much, rendering your opinion questionable IMO.

[horses4courses]

one thing that I know for sure is that you used the horse being insured as a basis for your ultimate opinion and you have no idea if the horse was insured and if so for how much, rendering your opinion questionable IMO.

As, I take it, you have no idea, either.
Insurance information is not something which is general knowledge.

We go through life occasionally having to make assumptions.
I'm going to assume that most owners with horses worth
close to eight figures take out insurance on them.

Call me a real renegade...... :rolleyes:

[westny]

Zayat certainly has an eventful history with money


[ http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/sports/27zayat.html?_r=0