Reagan....vs Barry

[JustRalph]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/04/obama-vs-reagan-big-government-socialism-proves-to-be-as-disastrous-as-expected/

A comparison

Let's continue the theme


http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/11/the-obama-economic-record-the-worst-five-years-since-world-war-ii/

[JustRalph]

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/29/slouching-into-stagnation-advance-read-of-1st-quarter-gdp-0-2/

Slouching into stagnation

[Tom]

Related to Reagan.......


http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=320

As William Raspberry wrote in yesterday's Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23679-2001Feb18.html), Clinton had 6 years after signing the crime bill in which to deal with this issue. And he did not lift a finger to help Black Caucus members or interest groups who were concerned about the problem.

And as the Justice Policy Institute report and The Sentencing Project (http://www.sentencingproject.org/) figures indicate, Black incarceration rate skyrocketed under the Clinton administration.

The JPI report reveals that 225,000 more Blacks were incarcerated under Clinton than under President Reagan - the Republican President most disliked in Black America.

The truth shall set you free.

[Robert Goren]

If you were a small businessman, especially in a rural area, or a farmer when Reagan was elected, the chances are pretty good, you were not by 1984. Those high interest rates crushed small businesses and farmers. With today very low interest rates there has never been a better time to own a "mom and pop" business. I wish I was 30 years old again.

[fast4522]

Interest rates are tied to other factors, during the peanut years people with money in the bank could live off the interest because of a stupid President, during the Reagan years these same folks were bitching they were not making the money in interest that they were with the peanut farmer. No matter how you cut it RG, you had no drive other than work for someone else. Today our interest rates are low only because the rest of the world is in a shambles. If the rest of the worlds economy rebounds you would see mortgage rates @ 30 years between 8 to 10 % and everything else at a higher %. Stick to numbers your familiar with like poker.

[Saratoga_Mike]

If you were a small businessman, especially in a rural area, or a farmer when Reagan was elected, the chances are pretty good, you were not by 1984. Those high interest rates crushed small businesses and farmers. With today very low interest rates there has never been a better time to own a "mom and pop" business. I wish I was 30 years old again.

1) Volker was appointed by Carter
2) Right move by Carter - see 1
3) Low rates are a function of stagnation, not great for small businesses

[Tom]

The Misery Index did not go away for a while.

[mostpost]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/04/obama-vs-reagan-big-government-socialism-proves-to-be-as-disastrous-as-expected/

A comparison

Let's continue the theme


http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/11/the-obama-economic-record-the-worst-five-years-since-world-war-ii/It's a stupid comparison. The two recessions of the early 80's were bad, but not nearly as bad as the George Bush caused great recession. Also, Reagan did not face a Congress filled with intransigent ideologues such as Obama has faced the last six years. Ideologues whose sole purpose is not to help the American people, but to destroy the President.

The deeper a recession, the harder it is to climb out of it. Particular when someone is knocking down the ladder every time you get past the first rung.

[Robert Fischer]

both good actors

[classhandicapper]

The deeper a recession, the harder it is to climb out of it.

It's the other way around.

The deeper the recession, the more excesses are removed so the sharper the snapback will be. That requires that you actually allow the excesses to be removed (which we did not) and have good policies to encourage the snap back (which Obama did not).

[JustRalph]

It's a stupid comparison. The two recessions of the early 80's were bad, but not nearly as bad as the George Bush caused great recession. Also, Reagan did not face a Congress filled with intransigent ideologues such as Obama has faced the last six years. Ideologues whose sole purpose is not to help the American people, but to destroy the President.

The deeper a recession, the harder it is to climb out of it. Particular when someone is knocking down the ladder every time you get past the first rung.


same ole tired bullshit. He had both houses of congress.........or did you forget about that?

[Saratoga_Mike]

It's the other way around.

The deeper the recession, the more excesses are removed so the sharper the snapback will be. That requires that you actually allow the excesses to be removed (which we did not) and have good policies to encourage the snap back (which Obama did not).

Few excesses were removed this time b/c of your beloved Fed.

[boxcar]

If you were a small businessman, especially in a rural area, or a farmer when Reagan was elected, the chances are pretty good, you were not by 1984. Those high interest rates crushed small businesses and farmers. With today very low interest rates there has never been a better time to own a "mom and pop" business. I wish I was 30 years old again.

Yeah, sure you do. I bet you would really relish the challenge of competing against the big chains and even more...against the internet.

[NJ Stinks]

same ole tired bullshit. He had both houses of congress.........or did you forget about that?

Obama never had 60 Dems in the Senate. You could look it up but then you couldn't spew the "same ole tired bullshit". :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Obama never had 60 Dems in the Senate. You could look it up but then you couldn't spew the "same ole tired bullshit".

He managed to get the Abominable Care Act passed without 60.
Moot point.

[Actor]

both good actorsBarry is the better actor. Definitely Oscar caliber.

[JustRalph]

He managed to get the Abominable Care Act passed without 60.
Moot point.

Exactly

[Clocker]

Obama never had 60 Dems in the Senate.

Word games. He had 58 Dems and 2 IINOs, "Independents" in name only. The Dems had effective control of 60 Senate votes when ObamaCare was passed.

Joe Liberman was officially listed as an "Independent Democrat". The guy was the Dem VP nominee in 2000, and you try to say he is not a Dem? :D

Bernie Sanders is officially listed as an Independent but caucuses with the Democratic Party and is counted as a Democrat for purposes of committee assignments. Sanders is not officially a Democrat only because he is far left of the Dems.

[Robert Goren]

Interest rates are tied to other factors, during the peanut years people with money in the bank could live off the interest because of a stupid President, during the Reagan years these same folks were bitching they were not making the money in interest that they were with the peanut farmer. No matter how you cut it RG, you had no drive other than work for someone else. Today our interest rates are low only because the rest of the world is in a shambles. If the rest of the worlds economy rebounds you would see mortgage rates @ 30 years between 8 to 10 % and everything else at a higher %. Stick to numbers your familiar with like poker. I actually owned 2 businesses during the late 1970s and early 1980s in small farming town. I sold both for a small profit. After Reagan, I decided that owning a business in a farming town was not going to be a good idea. I picked up and moved to Lincoln. I took what was going to be a temporary 30 day job which lead to me staying for 20 years. Every time I tried to move on, they made me an offer I could not say no to. In 1990s, looked into buying a coffee shop, but could not find the right one at the right price for sale. Starting one from scratch was not something I wanted to do. Attracting customers to a newly opened business is very hard. I did want to starve for several years trying to do that. My skill set if I had one was taking an existing business and making it better. I did that as a parking lot manager and got paid pretty well for doing it.
The economy in Europe will turn around, but China is a different story. Nobody has any idea what is going to happen there because world has not seen a country combine a harsh dictatorship with a "free market economy" on this scale.

[NJ Stinks]

Word games. He had 58 Dems and 2 IINOs, "Independents" in name only. The Dems had effective control of 60 Senate votes when ObamaCare was passed.

Joe Liberman was officially listed as an "Independent Democrat". The guy was the Dem VP nominee in 2000, and you try to say he is not a Dem? :D

Bernie Sanders is officially listed as an Independent but caucuses with the Democratic Party and is counted as a Democrat for purposes of committee assignments. Sanders is not officially a Democrat only because he is far left of the Dems.

You guys are full of 'yea, but....s'. :ThmbDown:

[Clocker]

You guys are full of 'yea, but....s'. :ThmbDown:

You deny that Harry Reid controlled 60 votes in the Senate when ObamaCare passed?

Yeah, but he did have to bribe a few of those Senators to get their votes. :D