Thoroughbred Pick Report!

[Maxspa]

All,
I recently purchased the Thoroughbred Pick Report (software) on E-Bay! Herb Witt, the author of the report, has like some of us on P.A. purchased many of the software offerings that have been available. The TPR report contains some of the important factors from the Sartin group, Dick Mitchell, Michael Pizzola, Tom Brohamer, etc. He has included the fulcrum values, Total Pace, PPF, Factor X and W, Turn Time, Ability Rate, and Bris Power ratings etc. Witt has incorporated Ultra, Omni, Racebook and other systems that he has considered valuable.
Although the software has some drawbacks such as: It is a DOS program, the printing is a bit of a problem and in my opinion lacks a smooth step to step process has value especially at the price. Copies have been sold for $30 on e-bay and is a bargain.
I'm offering this information for member perusal and am not associated with the author nor am I trying to sell any more copies!
Maxspa

[andicap]

Nothing on the Internet about them.

[Maxspa]

Andicap,
IMHO, Herb Witt is a serious racing enthusiast. He has been an avid collector of racing software, read the books, bought the systems etc. TPR is a dos software he developed by incorporating what he considered the best ideas that people like Pizzola, Mitchell etc had to offer a handicapper. He has no website and offers his software on E-bay.
Unlike other developers, he claims no huge scores but perhaps there is something in the reports that might help you in your handicapping quest for winners. The software uses Bris or TSN files.
Knowing you and your broad experience, you could have developed a similar approach.
Maxspa

[kenwoodallpromos]

2 questions- does it actually make picks? Does he have a disclaimer on it saying he has permission to profit off the other branded items he uses?

[andicap]

I searched a bit last night but found nothing -- what should I use as my keywords?

How long does the manual entry take? I mean, who has time for THAT anymore?

[SAL]

Try this:

ebay link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=429&item=4131924896)

[Maxspa]

Andy and all,
Sal has the correct ebay link! Andy the software uses either TSN or BRIS files. Paceline choice is last race, or best of last three. If you put the results in manually the program will create a model of winning horse ratings.
Ken his work is copyrighted.
Maxspa

[Dick Schmidt]

So, ol' Herb has essentially ripped off most every prominent thinker in horse racing, compiled what he thinks are their best ideas and is now selling them without permission. Nice.

No one has a problem with that?????

Dick


I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.
- Tolstoy

[andicap]

Originally posted by Dick Schmidt
So, ol' Herb has essentially ripped off most every prominent thinker in horse racing, compiled what he thinks are their best ideas and is now selling them without permission. Nice.

No one has a problem with that?????

Dick

You're 100% right.

Isn't that what Dick Mitchell did in his books though and even his software? He wasn't an original handicapper, but an engineer and a salesman.

It's called marketing. I'm not condoning it -- it's wrong. But racing is full of it.

[Speed Figure]

Can someone name 1 software program that does not do this. ALL programs take things from The great writers. At lease he gives these guys credit.

[jackad]

Anyone know if the program works with XP Home?

[andicap]

It's often a matter of ease and presentation. I'm more than happy with HTR so I wouldn't return to a DOS-based program, especially if it relied on BRIS figs.

A good program is flexible and gives you what you need in a manner that saves you time. That's what HTR does.

Of course, it's $120 a month for the downloads -- pretty steep for a lot of folks but this program might be good for many people.

[andicap]

Juts checked it out.
Looks a little like MultiCaps without the modeling and the more sophisticated programming.

[zieglerjw]

I forgot where I left my VIAGRA , also !!

[jackad]

Huh?

[mattsartin]

Let's send the whole thing over to the Attorney Generals Office.
Suff is the apparent expert on that.

[BillW]

Originally posted by mattsartin
Let's send the whole thing over to the Attorney Generals Office.
Suff is the apparent expert on that.

At the risk of getting repetitive, Huh?

[socantra]

Originally posted by Dick Schmidt
So, ol' Herb has essentially ripped off most every prominent thinker in horse racing, compiled what he thinks are their best ideas and is now selling them without permission. Nice.

No one has a problem with that?????

Dick



No problem at all. Copyright covers your presentation, not your ideas. Upon publication, those ideas become part of the public discourse. You are not required to get the Einstein estate's permission to utilize the concepts presented in his Theory of Relativity. It's the whole reason for publication, to add to the base of knowledge.

Ol' Herb has apparently given credit to those who originally published the ideas, which he should do, but if you want to retain sole rights to your ideas and concepts, best not tell anybody.

socantra...

[John]

Did anyone ever convert Thoroughbred Pick Report (software) from DOS to windows click and go. I have TPR installed in MS-Dos. But can't get it to run.I would love to have a window version of this program.

Especially, Dick Mitchell's "Ability rating" Does any one have Dick Mitchell Ability rating as a stand alone software windows version.

If you do I would be interested in obtaining a copy.[ pm me ]

JOHN

[NoDayJob]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Geez, I need a new hernia belt. The old one just split.

NDJ

[kitts]

Andicap-

I understand your resentment of Dick Mitchell to a degree, but to accuse him of not being an original handicapper seems a bit severe. He may not have invented handicapping but he had many unique and well-researched ides that he used in his own "original" handicapping. I went to the races many times with him and saw him do a lot of original handicapping.

[andicap]

Kitts,
well, you saw him more upclose than I did, so I'll accept what you say but after reading his books I still believe that most of Mitchell's original thoughts were in the area of betting, not handicapping...

Seemed to me Gordon Pine and Ron Ambrose (and yourself) were the better handicappers.

[John]

Kitts,

I agree with you.Dick Mitchel did a great job in front of a blackboard on his tape's explaining his way of handicapping.As you said Kitts,Mitchel had many unique and well-researched ideas that he used in his own daily handicapping.

I have Cynthia's 1992 version of "Speed Handicapper" that has Mitchel's "Ability rating".I use it today. I have to enter data manual from the past performances for every horse. It takes so long and is so boring, but, it is so affective that I overlook the aggravation of sitting for an hour or two copying data.

That is why I asked about a window version,click and go.

[Lefty]

Doesn't the ALLWAYS prgm also use several readouts from various prgms?

[John]

Lefty,

I think Cynthia publishing has a software that has speed handicapper built in. I am not sure,maybe Kitts, will know.

[Diamond K]

The newest Sartin program, Speculator, written by Guy Wadsworth (but not for Pirco) who was programmer for Sartin has an Ability Rating. Would this rating be similar to what is being discussed here?

[Speed Figure]

From what I know, Dick Mitchell's Ability Time is turn time + projected 2nd call time for dirt races. For turf races it is 1st fraction + projected last fraction.

[Lefty]

speed, I was referring to Allways and not Allinone. 2 diff prgms. Allways has a lot of diff readouts from a lot of diff developers including Sartin. I mean, how much of this stuff is it permissable to steal?

[kitts]

Cynthia Publsihing did have an entry level speed handicapping program which later became E-Z Capper. Other changes were made after I moved to Nevada.

[bobsbet]

I am interested in purchasing this software but have a couple of questions .
Will it run on XP professional?
You mentioned printer problems because it is a Dos program. Any ideas as to how to get around the problem?

Would appreciate any help you can provide.

[keenang]

IT SEEMS THAT THE ONLY ONE WITH A PROBLEM IS YOU (DICK S.). AS THROUGH YOU GUYS AT P.I.R.CO NEVER RIPPED ANYONE OFF. SO PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES.

GENE

[Maxspa]

Bobsbet,
This software produces some excellent data. However, the archaic dos program is not easy to use. The operation is not smooth, a simple mistake means you must start over and printing is a problem as well. You are taking a chance, unless you know someone who can program a windows version for you. Just my opinion!
Maxspa

[bobsbet]

Interesting comments regarding Thorobred Pick Report. Went looking for it on
E-Bay without success. Do you know if it is still available?

Thanks

Bobsbet

[headhawg]

Is this it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=4544597538&rd=1

[SAL]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=429&item=5189184566&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

[FORGO]

Dick I think you are over reacting. Herb like everybody paid to learn from others and he readily admits this and does give proper credit where credit is due. We learn from others and most of us do not have any original ideas of our own. Herb is a nice old gentlemen and he is not blowing his own horn. None of us invented the wheel but we use them every day. Don't we all use something we have paid for or have learned for others. You betcha. Anyway let me thank you for some of the inovations that you have contributed to our sport while your still around. When you go if some one writes somthing negative about you I will be writeing one of these things on your behalf. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Again thank you Dick FORGO

[FORGO]

John here is the email for Herb he does offer help to those who have puchased the software. topmail@hotmail.com FORGO

[FORGO]

The right email is TOPMOVE@hotmail.com for TPR Tired old guys make mistakes what did you exspect. FORGO;)

[John]

FORGO, I have talked with Herb, on the telephone.He is a nice guy and is willing to help anyone. I like his TPR. The software has some drawbacks such as: It is a DOS program, but, will run in windiws and has a lot of info.

[FORGO]

John I am kind of excited with all the bells and whistels I see in the program. We have all owned one or more of the tools that Herb has in the program. If you are only analysing a few selctive races then I think its worth the time. Like most of us I use certain tools in different programs for different types of races.JCapper has a little rating I just love. It alerts you to your advantage over the public and it confirms where your strenth lies. You only play when the returns and advantages favor you. The retuns are profitable not break even. Any way let me stop ramblin I see some great tools in TPR and I like the looks of it. Thank you John for the tip FPS in Race Prophet another good cheap tool. FORGO

[keenang]

John

I have been using TPR for some time now and I love it.The only problem I have is I cannot get that DOC PRN to make me a printout. If you figure out how to make a printout maybe you can help.

Thanks and Good Luck
Gene :)

[First_Place]

Socantra wrote:

"You are not required to get the Einstein estate's permission to utilize the concepts presented in his Theory of Relativity."

His? HIS?? HIS??? (Using the most powerfull megaphone I could find) Attention...attention...can I have your complete attention, please. Now listen very closely as this is the last time I'm going to say this in this forum:

Albert "the plagiarist of the century" Einstein 'borrowed' the concepts he is wrongfully credited for discovering.

Got it??

I know this thread is not the place, but I must say this: It stilll amazes (and nauseates) me how people in this day and age of the Internet continue to give (unwarranted) credit to this super-shyster--NOT superbrain.

I ask you this:

If "plagiarist Al" was so brilliant, why did the US government not tap his talents for the Manhattan Project which developed the atom bomb?

If "plagiarist Al" was so brilliant, why was GPS a success without any consideration for "his theory"?

If "plagiarist Al" was so brilliant, why were two thirds of his children brain dead?

If "plagiarist Al" was so brilliant, why did he publish 'his' papers under his wife's name?

If "plagiarist Al" was so brilliant, why did his wife do his math for him, and who did his math after he dumped her for a prettier woman?

If "plagiarist Al" was so brilliant, why did he NEVER cite any prior paper to demonstrate that prior papers were used as references, and not just plagiarized?

If "plagiarist Al" was so brilliant, why did Time Magazine name him as "person of the year" when he wasn't even in the top 100 of America's favorite personalities?

Etc., etc...

Wake up Americans (and the rest of the world) and smell the bullsh*t you've been fed all these years!

Einstein: Plagiarist of the Century

Einstein plagiarised the work of several notable scientists in his 1905 papers on special relativity and E = mc2, yet the physics community has never bothered to set the record straight in the past century

"As was typical of Einstein, he did not discover theories; he merely commandeered them. He took an existing body of knowledge, picked and chose the ideas he liked, then wove them into a tale about his contribution to special relativity. This was done with the full knowledge and consent of many of his peers, such as the editors at Annalen der Physik."

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/einstein.html

Now back to horse racing...

FP

[PaceAdvantage]

I know this thread is not the place,

Then why the hell do you go on and take the thread off topic? Are you dense? Or are you such an egoist that you think that we all MUST read what you have to say about Einstein, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!!!???

I guess it's time to take the advice I received via private message a few days ago, and that was to just delete any post I find that takes a thread off topic, no questions asked. It's been happening a lot in recent days.....heck, this is the second thread I've found recently that starts off with "I know this isn't the place to post this, but....." If you KNOW, then why do you DO?

Please review the terms of this board....pay special attention to the bullet points:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/TOS_PrivacyStatement.html

[Sailwolf]

Then why the hell do you go on and take the thread off topic? Are you dense? Or are you such an egoist that you think that we all MUST read what you have to say about Einstein, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW!!!???

I guess it's time to take the advice I received via private message a few days ago, and that was to just delete any post I find that takes a thread off topic, no questions asked. It's been happening a lot in recent days.....heck, this is the second thread I've found recently that starts off with "I know this isn't the place to post this, but....." If you KNOW, then why do you DO?

Please review the terms of this board....pay special attention to the bullet points:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/TOS_PrivacyStatement.html


If you delete any post that you find that takes a thread off topic, no questions asked, can you put in a off topic thread I can find. I like to read all comments even if the person might be "smoking too much grass" or wandering in another dimension.

[PaceAdvantage]

If you delete any post that you find that takes a thread off topic, no questions asked, can you put in a off topic thread I can find. I like to read all comments even if the person might be "smoking too much grass" or wandering in another dimension.

The better solution would be for people to START NEW THREADS when they find themselves posting a reply that takes the current thread off topic.

It's quite easy to start a new thread....and best of all, IT'S FREE! :)

[John]

Thanks Mike, Kick that bum off my link.

Now I can answer Keenang

I have a program called DOSPRN.I believe the web site address is in your TPR manual. You can download it and have a free trial,I have used mine for months and it is still free.If you get TPR to run in windows sometime it will print on its own.

Herb, will never make it in to windows, click and go. Too bad.

Hope this helps.

[FORGO]

Check out this site Herb recommends it for this program. DOSPRN.com they have a trial version as it is shareware. But for fifteen bucks how can you go wrong. They say you can run TPR in XP with this print utility. I keep an older machine around just for older programs that I love. Thats were I am installing my TPR to start with. I also keep this old machine incase I have problems with the new one. I also fogot to mention that this dos print program is suppose to work with modern printers INK jet ect. ect. I have an old Lex mark just in case. OK I think I covered everything. FORGO