Happy Easter From Kenya

[Tom]

The nation allows Christians to be slaughtered while their #1 son gives Islam the nuclear bomb.

Nice country.

[ArlJim78]

147 Christians slaughtered at a university.
No time for that story over here though because we're still coming to grips with the shocking tale of a pizza shop in Indiana that doesn't want to cater a gay wedding.

[Hank]

The nation allows Christians to be slaughtered while their #1 son gives Islam the nuclear bomb.

Nice country.

Congratulations Tom.

[fast4522]

147 Christians slaughtered at a university.
No time for that story over here though because we're still coming to grips with the shocking tale of a pizza shop in Indiana that doesn't want to cater a gay wedding.

Who do you think they are coming for?

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/huge-surge-of-unscreened-muslims-flooding-u-s/

[redshift1]

Been a tough week:

Nuke agreement with Iran.

Capitulation in Arkansas and Indiana.

Republican Governors embarrassed.

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[fast4522]

There is no agreement yet, June is when OBO will go all out for it.

[redshift1]

There is no agreement yet, June is when OBO will go all out for it.


Two-thirds of Americans support a potential pact.

Congress unable to block.

International support.

Seems inevitable who's to stop it ?

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[fast4522]

Here is a better question. . . . .
Not the only one calling the White House lairs.

https://in.news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-accuses-u-lying-irans-nuke-deal-104954143.html

[Clocker]

Two-thirds of Americans support a potential pact.



The last polls I saw said that was about the number that supported the proposed agreement, and that was also about the same number that said that Iran could not be trusted to honor the agreement.

You wonder what goes through their minds.

[classhandicapper]

You wonder what goes through their minds.

The operative word is mind...or actually lack of a brain.

What they actually want is a deal that will make the world safer. Well guess what, so does most of the world.

The question is can you make that deal with a country you do not trust?

It's possible, but with Obama extremely unlikely. He'll make a bad deal, celebrate it, much of the media will spin and lie to support it no matter what it says or because they are too idealistically delusional to understand the adversary, and a future president and the rest of the middle east will have to deal with the problem when they don't abide by it.

[classhandicapper]

The more important question is do those Christians deliver cakes and pizzas to gay weddings before they get slaughtered by an extremely small number of Muslims that just happen to be located in practically every country on the globe in large numbers?

[Tall One]

This president hates our Country...that's all it boils down to folks.

[JustRalph]

Really making headway

[Tall One]

Do they not remember that little Iranian hostage deal back in the 70's Ralph? Guess that's why we send Rocky Dennis over there to deal with these ass holes...I just shake my head sometimes at how far our Country has fallen.

[mostpost]

Do they not remember that little Iranian hostage deal back in the 70's Ralph? Guess that's why we send Rocky Dennis over there to deal with these ass holes...I just shake my head sometimes at how far our Country has fallen.
Are you referring to the deal in which Ronald Reagan illegally sold weapons to the Iranians in order to ransom the hostages. Then he took that illegally obtained money and illegally used it to finance the Nicaraguan rebels.

Of course before all this happened, the Iranians had already reached a deal with the Carter Administration to release the hostages. Reagan sent James Baker to meet with the Iranian representatives and Baker persuaded them to renounce the deal. The hostages spent several extra months in captivity so that Reagan could be elected president.

[FantasticDan]

Really making headwayThe actual framework:

Iran will reduce its installed centrifuges - used to enrich uranium - by two-thirds and reduce its stockpile of low-enriched uranium

The centrifuges that are no longer in use will be placed in storage, monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)

All of Iran's nuclear facilities will be subject to regular IAEA inspections

Iran will redesign its heavy-water reactor in Arak so that it cannot produce weapons-grade plutonium

US and EU sanctions related to Iran's nuclear programme will be lifted in phases, but can be brought back if Iran does not meet its obligations.

[_______]

Pakistan has detonated 6 nuclear weapons in underground testing. The first were in May 1998.

If Iran ever tests a nuclear weapon, they will be the second Islamic country to do so. if that happens, Saudi Arabia and Egypt will follow in short order.

[Tall One]

Of course before all this happened, the Iranians had already reached a deal with the Carter Administration to release the hostages. Reagan sent James Baker to meet with the Iranian representatives and Baker persuaded them to renounce the deal. The hostages spent several extra months in captivity so that Reagan could be elected president.


:D

[Greyfox]

Mostpost lives in the past, and FantasticDan trusts Obama and Iran. :rolleyes:

[mostpost]

“It doesn’t appear as if Iran agreed to do anything specific.
Rubbish. Here are just some of the specific actions Iran agreed to.
• Iran has agreed to reduce by approximately two-thirds its installed centrifuges. Iran will go from having about 19,000 installed today to 6,104 installed under the deal, with only 5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years. All 6,104 centrifuges will be IR-1s, Iran’s first-generation centrifuge.

• Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium over 3.67 percent for at least 15 years.

Iran has agreed to reduce its current stockpile of about 10,000 kg of low-enriched uranium (LEU) to 300 kg of 3.67 percent LEU for 15 years.

• All excess centrifuges and enrichment infrastructure will be placed in IAEA monitored storage and will be used only as replacements for operating centrifuges and equipment.

• Iran has agreed to not build any new facilities for the purpose of enriching uranium for 15 years.

Iran will only enrich uranium at the Natanz facility, with only 5,060 IR-1 first-generation centrifuges for ten years.

Inspections and Transparency
• The IAEA will have regular access to all of Iran’s nuclear facilities, including to Iran’s enrichment facility at Natanz and its former enrichment facility at Fordow, and including the use of the most up-to-date, modern monitoring technologies.

• Inspectors will have access to the supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program. The new transparency and inspections mechanisms will closely monitor materials and/or components to prevent diversion to a secret program.

• Inspectors will have access to uranium mines and continuous surveillance at uranium mills, where Iran produces yellowcake, for 25 years.

• Inspectors will have continuous surveillance of Iran’s centrifuge rotors and bellows production and storage facilities for 20 years. Iran’s centrifuge manufacturing base will be frozen and under continuous surveillance.

• All centrifuges and enrichment infrastructure removed from Fordow and Natanz will be placed under continuous monitoring by the IAEA.
• A dedicated procurement channel for Iran’s nuclear program will be established to monitor and approve, on a case by case basis, the supply, sale, or transfer to Iran of certain nuclear-related and dual use materials and technology – an additional transparency measure.

There is a lot more they have agreed to do. All of it can be found here.
http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/USSTATEBPA/2015/04/02/file_attachments/378460/Media%2BNote%2B-%2BApril%2B2%2B2015%2B-%2BLausanne.pdf

The past research into bomb-making “appears to be one of the few Achilles heels here,” said Joseph. On that point, he added: “It doesn’t appear as if Iran agreed to do anything specific.”

That is where JR got his quote. It refers to one point and is of course out of context.

[Greyfox]

Mostpost trusts Iran (and Obama.) :rolleyes:

[Clocker]

Mostpost trusts Iran (and Obama.) :rolleyes:


But, but, Iran has agreed!!! They would never go back on their word, would they? :eek:

Even the lefties at Politico have reservations about this, because verification of Iran complying with the agreement depends to a large degree on Putin.

"The Iran Deal's Fatal Flaw"
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/iran-deal-kerry-flawed-negotiations-close-116623.html?ml=tb#.VR4Bz_nF-P8

And now Iran is saying that they didn't agree to what Obama says they agreed to.

LAUSANNE, Switzerland — Just hours after the announcement of what the United States characterized as a historic agreement with Iran over its nuclear program, the country’s leading negotiator lashed out at the Obama administration for lying about the details of a tentative framework.

Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif accused the Obama administration of misleading the American people and Congress in a fact sheet it released following the culmination of negotiations with the Islamic Republic.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-accuses-u-s-of-lying-about-new-nuke-agreement/

Oops, the Iranians are calling Obama a liar. Maybe those guys aren't so bad after all. :p

[Shemp Howard]

Rubbish. Here are just some of the specific actions Iran agreed to.
• Iran has agreed to reduce by approximately two-thirds its installed centrifuges. Iran will go from having about 19,000 installed today to 6,104 installed under the deal, with only 5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years. All 6,104 centrifuges will be IR-1s, Iran’s first-generation centrifuge.

• Iran has agreed to not enrich uranium over 3.67 percent for at least 15 years.

Iran has agreed to reduce its current stockpile of about 10,000 kg of low-enriched uranium (LEU) to 300 kg of 3.67 percent LEU for 15 years.

• All excess centrifuges and enrichment infrastructure will be placed in IAEA monitored storage and will be used only as replacements for operating centrifuges and equipment.

• Iran has agreed to not build any new facilities for the purpose of enriching uranium for 15 years.

Iran will only enrich uranium at the Natanz facility, with only 5,060 IR-1 first-generation centrifuges for ten years.

Inspections and Transparency
• The IAEA will have regular access to all of Iran’s nuclear facilities, including to Iran’s enrichment facility at Natanz and its former enrichment facility at Fordow, and including the use of the most up-to-date, modern monitoring technologies.

• Inspectors will have access to the supply chain that supports Iran’s nuclear program. The new transparency and inspections mechanisms will closely monitor materials and/or components to prevent diversion to a secret program.

• Inspectors will have access to uranium mines and continuous surveillance at uranium mills, where Iran produces yellowcake, for 25 years.

• Inspectors will have continuous surveillance of Iran’s centrifuge rotors and bellows production and storage facilities for 20 years. Iran’s centrifuge manufacturing base will be frozen and under continuous surveillance.

• All centrifuges and enrichment infrastructure removed from Fordow and Natanz will be placed under continuous monitoring by the IAEA.
• A dedicated procurement channel for Iran’s nuclear program will be established to monitor and approve, on a case by case basis, the supply, sale, or transfer to Iran of certain nuclear-related and dual use materials and technology – an additional transparency measure.

There is a lot more they have agreed to do. All of it can be found here.
http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/USSTATEBPA/2015/04/02/file_attachments/378460/Media%2BNote%2B-%2BApril%2B2%2B2015%2B-%2BLausanne.pdf

The past research into bomb-making “appears to be one of the few Achilles heels here,” said Joseph. On that point, he added: “It doesn’t appear as if Iran agreed to do anything specific.”

That is where JR got his quote. It refers to one point and is of course out of context.

Sounds like the North Korea nuclear deal. How'd that one work out?

[ArlJim78]

Obama and Iran got everything they wanted. Iran remains in the nuclear game and they get their sanctions lifted. The idea that they are a party to be trusted is a joke. Obama said "If Iran doesn't live up to the agreement the world will know" hahaha. So what? What happens then when the world knows about it? Sanctions? More diplomacy? Nothing?
The world knew in 2009 when Iran was brutally cracking down on the people protesting the election and wanting change. What did the world do? What did Obama do? Nothing. That's not the kind of change he was looking for. No the change he wanted was to usher Iran into the nuclear arena while assuring that the mullahs control everything. Mission Accomplished.

I'm old enough to remember when the left was against the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

[classhandicapper]

I'm never going to understand all the specifics of this deal. I'll bring a couple of insights to the discussion.

1. 10-15 years in the life of country is like the blink of an eye, especially when you've already hated some of the people in the region for more than 1000 years.

2. If the deal in not perceived as strong enough by the Sunni countries in the region, they are going to start their own programs.

3. This is likely to make some strange bedfellows.

4. If it comes down to existential risks, Israel will bomb Iran and may be flying side by side with Saudi Arabia when it happens

[Greyfox]

4. If it comes down to existential risks, Israel will bomb Iran and may be flying side by side with Saudi Arabia when it happens

Saudi Arabia has already cut a nuclear deal with Pakistan and may be in a position to get the bomb.

[reckless]

Just a thought on this agreement between the ridiculed and dangerous duo of B. Hussein Obama and J. F. Kerry and the Islamic terrorists mullahs of Iran.

Obama and Kerry trust those religious fanatic mullahs but want to close down every small business in this country that just might have some Christian or religious belief.

Iran with nukes and their desire to use them are not a threat to these two clowns but some family that bakes apple pie or even pizza pie that practices their own faith are the most dangerous and intolerable people imaginable.

[Clocker]

I'm never going to understand all the specifics of this deal.

It is premature to try. This is not the deal. This is the "framework" for the deal. The details are still to be negotiated by June 30.

They don't even agree on what this "framework" says. Iran says it will continue with its nuclear program and that it will sell enriched uranium on the open market (they had previously agreed to ship it to Russia for safe keeping :D ). Iran is now saying that all sanctions will be lifted when the deal is signed, while the other parties want them phased out as Iran proves compliance.

Any bets on the deal being signed by June 30? I'm betting the "don't pass" line on this table.

On Thursday evening, Zarif told reporters the latest agreement allows Iran to keep operating its nuclear program.

“None of those measures” that will move to scale back Iran’s program “include closing any of our facilities,” Zarif said. “We will continue enriching; we will continue research and development.”

“Our heavy water reactor will be modernized and we will continue the Fordow facility,” Zarif said. “We will have centrifuges installed in Fordow, but not enriching.”

The move to allow Iran to keep centrifuges at Fordow, a controversial onetime military site, has elicited concern that Tehran could ramp up its nuclear work with ease.

Zarif said that once a final agreement is made, “all U.S. nuclear related secondary sanctions will be terminated,” he said. “This, I think, would be a major step forward.”

Zarif also revealed that Iran will be allowed to sell “enriched uranium” in the international market place and will be “hopefully making some money” from it.

[Tom]

The last polls I saw said that was about the number that supported the proposed agreement, and that was also about the same number that said that Iran could not be trusted to honor the agreement.

You wonder what goes through their minds.

What used to go through their colons.

[Tom]

Congratulations Tom.

Considering the source, a real honor.
When you disagree, I know I am right.

Hi-de-ho, neighbor.

[Tom]

All of Iran's nuclear facilities will be subject to regular IAEA inspections :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dan, this is the real world, not late night TV.....surely you thought that was a joke, right?

Here's a fact - Iran will have a nuclear device before labor day this year.

[Tom]

I'm old enough to remember when the left was against the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

They just ensured Iran will have a bomb.
Only a complete idiot or enemy of America would ever trust an Iranian.

[Tom]

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[Tom]

The actual framework:

Iran will reduce its installed centrifuges - used to enrich uranium - by two-thirds and reduce its stockpile of low-enriched uranium

The centrifuges that are no longer in use will be placed in storage, monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)

All of Iran's nuclear facilities will be subject to regular IAEA inspections

Iran will redesign its heavy-water reactor in Arak so that it cannot produce weapons-grade plutonium

US and EU sanctions related to Iran's nuclear programme will be lifted in phases, but can be brought back if Iran does not meet its obligations.

Say Dan, can you post the actual framework Chamberlain brought back to England? You remember, when they trusted Hitler?

[FantasticDan]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dan, this is the real world, not late night TV.....surely you thought that was a joke, right?Actually the inspection framework has teeth and has earned praise:

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8337347/iran-deal-good

[Tom]

Actually the inspection framework has teeth and has earned praise:

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8337347/iran-deal-good

And you buy it? :lol: :lol:
SkkRj1aDNw4

[FantasticDan]

And you buy it? :lol: :lol:I know Tom, diplomacy is hard for you to wrap your head around. Best to let the big boys handle it while you stomp around in the sandbox. :blush: :ThmbUp:

[Greyfox]

Actually the inspection framework has teeth and has earned praise:

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8337347/iran-deal-good

Iran has agreed to nothing yet.
They've managed to get the negotiators to back off until the end of June.
You actually think that they'll sign off on all of that. :lol:

[Tom]

They may have the bomb before then.
We have to pass it so we can see what is in it.
this is Dan's world, GF. :D

Dan thinks they are kidding when they say they want to destroy Israel and the USA. All the world is a joke to Danny.

Even when they are sponsoring the murder of people all over the world.
funny people, those Iranians.

[Clocker]

They may have the bomb before then.


Can't happen. The US wanted to shut down their secret nuclear lab located in a bunker 200 feet under a mountain, but now Iran promises it will only be used for peaceful purposes. Nothing to worry about.

Then there’s the mountain fortress at Fordow, built in secret a decade ago 200 feet under a mountainside at a time when Iran was claiming it had no secret facilities. The United States, France, and Britain publicly revealed the plant in 2009, and experts have long considered closing the site a key strategic priority for the United States. Now, it’s apparently going to be used “for peaceful purposes only”—because of course the ideal place for a “research center” is a secret underground nuclear fortress.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/04/03/iran-must-love-negotiating-with-obama/

[fast4522]

They may have the bomb before then.
We have to pass it so we can see what is in it.
this is Dan's world, GF. :D

Dan thinks they are kidding when they say they want to destroy Israel and the USA. All the world is a joke to Danny.

Even when they are sponsoring the murder of people all over the world.
funny people, those Iranians.

Not really, you want the bomb you can have the bomb.

[fast4522]

This guy is nuts.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/04/03/report-obama-wants-to-visit-iran-before-end-of-presidency/

[Clocker]

The UK Telegraph reports that Iran is funding Hamas, helping them rebuild the tunnels destroyed by Israel and restock the rockets used to attack Israeli citizens. Once the sanctions against Iran are lifted, they will be able to afford a lot more of this humanitarian aid to poor Palestinians. :rolleyes:

Iran has sent Hamas’s military wing tens of millions of dollars to help it rebuild the network of tunnels in Gaza destroyed by Israel’s invasion last summer, intelligence sources have told The Sunday Telegraph.

It is also funding new missile supplies to replenish stocks used to bombard residential neighbourhoods in Israel during the war, code-named Operation Protective Edge by Israel.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/11515603/Iran-is-intensifying-efforts-to-support-Hamas-in-Gaza.html

[classhandicapper]

This guy is nuts.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/04/03/report-obama-wants-to-visit-iran-before-end-of-presidency/

When a politician seems so consistently aligned against long term American interests, people start speculating he must not have the best interests of the US in mind. I think that's a fair assessment. He doesn't consider himself the president of the United States. He considers himself the leader of a world where everyone is on the same globalist page trying to create a shared la la land. He's delusional. There is no other way to describe it other than traitor. IMO he's slowly destroying our economic and foreign policy position because he's operating with a flawed understanding of the way the world works.

[Clocker]

In a radio interview with NPR, Obama was asked about Scott Walker's criticism of the Iran "framework". Obama responded by dismissing Walker because of his lack of experience in foreign policy.

“And, you know, I am confident that any president who gets elected will be knowledgeable enough about foreign policy and knowledgeable enough about the traditions and precedents of presidential power that they won’t start calling to question the capacity of the executive branch of the United States to enter into agreements with other countries,” Obama told the hosts of NPR News. “It would be a foolish approach to take, and, you know, perhaps Mr. Walker, after he’s taken some time to bone up on foreign policy, will feel the same way.”

This from a community organizer whose foreign policy results make Jimmy Carter look like Winston Churchill in comparison.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/07/barack-obama-thinks-scott-walker-is-an-empty-suit-on-foreign-policy/

[Clocker]

It is already clear that Iran and the White House disagree about what they supposedly agreed to in the nuclear "framework". Now the Times of Israel reports that a "fact sheet" about the deal from the French government, not yet made public, differs on significant issues from both the US and Iran versions. The major differences that appear to still be in dispute are the lifting of sanctions and the permitted use of centrifuges.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/french-fact-sheet-differs-from-us-on-irans-centrifuge-use-rd/

[classhandicapper]

This from a community organizer whose foreign policy results make Jimmy Carter look like Winston Churchill in comparison.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/04/07/barack-obama-thinks-scott-walker-is-an-empty-suit-on-foreign-policy/

Don't insult Carter. At least we knew he wasn't a traitor.