Dubai PPs - World Cup Day

[horses4courses]

First post for the big race day on Saturday is 840am ET
Race 2 on the card is the first thoroughbred race.
Feature race runs at 1pm ET
Good luck!

http://amwestentertainment.com/pdfs/racing-calendar/d0e1941e-0b95-e411-b8a4-0019d1035314/pps-20150028.pdf

[Lemon Drop Husker]

First post for the big race day on Saturday is 840am ET
Race 2 on the card is the first thoroughbred race.
Feature race runs at 1pm ET
Good luck!

http://amwestentertainment.com/pdfs/racing-calendar/d0e1941e-0b95-e411-b8a4-0019d1035314/pps-20150028.pdf

You da' man H4C! :ThmbUp:

[sammy the sage]

You da' man H4C! :ThmbUp:

ditto that :ThmbUp:

[Tall One]

Good looking out, man.. :ThmbUp:

[taxicab]

Thanks H4C.
Very kind.

[horses4courses]

Spotted them on twitter....both sources said that amwest entertainment
had issued them for free.

They're pretty basic Equibase PPs, but better than nothing.

Hope people find a winner, or two!

[Some_One]

Also

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/racing/raceinfo/newformpdf/MEYDD2803form.pdf

More details then the pdf on foreign runs on each individual race at R&S

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/form-guide/meeting.asp?raceno=9&meeting=56421

[Tall One]

Spotted them on twitter....both sources said that amwest entertainment
had issued them for free.

They're pretty basic Equibase PPs, but better than nothing.

Hope people find a winner, or two!


Lets get us a good thread going on the card and see what we can do.

[kevb]

If the TFUS figures are predictive for World Cup day, California Chrome, Lea, Main Sequence, Salutos Amigos, and Mshawish (who will all be a little over bet) are all off the board. Secret Circle looks to have a good chance.

[Some_One]

Looking like there could be a fair bit of early pace especially with the connections of Candy Boy saying they also want to go forward. With that I'm like :1: Prince Bishop to close on them late.

[spiketoo]

More

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/aff_brisrep.cgi/dub0328c.pdf?osadub0328c.pdf

[joecam]

You can watch the Race live here:
click Stream 1.....click large X on upper player, then click small x lower player......thats it...........GO FULLSCREEN.



http://www.troodi.me/sports/horse-racing/stateside-us-horse-racing-live-stream

[Some_One]

HKJC form guide for Dubai races

http://racing.hkjc.com/racing/content/PDF/RaceCard/OSE20150328_starter_s1_all.pdf

[Bennie]

kevb - I'm guessing that you have already looked at the TFUS figures and was wondering, before I purchase them, do they have numbers for all the runners or are there many missing due to foreign horses running with limited info available?

[Some_One]

kevb - I'm guessing that you have already looked at the TFUS figures and was wondering, before I purchase them, do they have numbers for all the runners or are there many missing due to foreign horses running with limited info available?

They are probably the Timeform UK figures.

[kevb]

Surprisingly few missing speed figures. They have numbers for Uraguay, Singapore JPN, AUS, UAE, SAF, Hong Kong, KSA (took a while to figure that one out as Kingdom of Saudi Arabia), Dubai and of course GB, GER, IRE USA. But sometimes the numbers only go back two or three races for Hong Kong, and JPN. I have to assume that the figures for some countries are to be taken with a grain of salt. Still I like it better than weight post position and finish position.

[Some_One]

TimeformUK doesn't have great coverage for HK and Jpn I believe, probably just the major days like Japan Cup and LHKIR

Try the R&S sports link I posted, I can't really attest to the accuracy of their figures, but it's better then nothing.

[kevb]

Thanks for that link. That is an impressive and comprehensive race analysis site. Have you used it long? Do you find their speed maps and ratings to be useful? I'm going to try it out on some Australian races today.

[Some_One]

The speed maps are good, just can be spotty for minor tracks, punters.com.au usually has speed maps for all meetings, however I've haven't been as happy with them.

[sammy the sage]

'Some One"...props TOO you as well for posting pp's.. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

[NY BRED]

THANKS H4C

:ThmbUp:

[Some_One]

This is what I'll be going with
Godolphin Mile
:15: / :1: :6: :16:
Dubai Gold Cup
:14: / :10: :11: :15:
UAE Derby
:1: / :5: :7: :10:
Al Quoz Sprint
:6: / :11: :12: :16:
Dubai Golden Shaeen
:10: / :3: :5: :7:
Dubai Turf
:1:/ :6: :7: :10:
Dubai Sheema Classic
:2: / :5: :7:
Dubai World Cup
:1: / :2: :5:

Edit - Formatting, forgot my slash in a couple of races

[handyman1968]

Designs of Rome = Vengeance of Rain...eerily similar path to the Sheema Classic except you aint getting 10-1 like you did 8 years ago on Vengeance of Rain.

Hokko Tarumae

Ahtoug

Salutos Amigos

Every year Euros are overbet. They are not bad horses...just that this is their pre season while asian horses are in mid season form.

[OntheRail]

Win bet:2: HOKKO TARUMAE

Super :2: / :1: 8: / :5: :8: :9: / :5: :8: :9:

[Grits]

zerodark4am--going over TFUS past performances.

The comments in these are greatly detailed and extensive. They're awesome!!! Helps a lot with horses one isn't familiar with. Thanks Marc & Co.

Good luck, gentlemen, with all your wagers. ;)

For the DWC.

:9: to win
:3: to place (this one, last year's winner, comes in today with a 12 point jump between last two figures. 3rd off)

Boxing these four.

:1: 3rd off
:3: 3rd off
:5: 3rd off
:9:

[burnsy]

Race 2

:6: Frankyfourfingers
:16:
:8:
:1:

[kevb]

Pat Cummings is a sharp handicapper and familiar with the horses that have run in Dubai.

https://www.amwestentertainment.com/dubai-racing/recaps/pats-picks/

My picks:

Godolphin Mile

:1: / :7: / :9:

[kevb]

Some_one.
I hope you got the tri.
I'm alive in the pick three, hoping for some prices in the next two.

[kevb]

Godolphin Mile
Sour grapes from Jeremy Noseda, trainer of Sloan, complaining about the draw and suggesting the draw was fixed in favor of the locals.

[Stoleitbreezing]

caught the little exacta in race 2, trainer of the 15 made an ass of himself after the race. Should be happy his horse got 2nd.

[Some_One]

Some_one.
I hope you got the tri.
I'm alive in the pick three, hoping for some prices in the next two.

Just the exactor and place, always bad luck for me, lol.

[spiketoo]

If you like Euro talking heads (can't be any worse than Todd Schmeckel), you can find both feeds of Racing UK and At The Races here

http://cricfree.sx/

[Stoleitbreezing]

still waiting for twinspires to pay me off. probably not going to get off everything I want in race 3 now.

[Stoleitbreezing]

soon as I say that it updates. lol.

[horses4courses]

The movers and shakers in the UK markets for Dubai races are as follows:

R5 Al Quoz Sprint - it's a wide open affair

:14: Distinctive Passion - has received some significant support today,
as he had been easy to bet at over 30-1 all week. Now into 20-1.
UK money generally won't show for a US horse. Interesting.

:12: Caspian Prince moved in to 15-1 from 20-1+ a couple of days ago.
Has not moved since, but someone sought some value.

:16: Penophobia - has been a solid favorite all week around 9-2.


R6 Golden Shaheen

Some telltale market moves here. Mostly involving Secret Circle.

:7: Secret Circle has no friends in the betting. He had been a solid
favorite all week at around 5-2, but has now drifted out to 4-1.

:4: Rich Tapestry is pretty easy to bet at 5-1 - no major support.

:5: Salutos Amigos has been heavily bet into 4-1 from 5-1.

:6: Big Macher has been nibbled at @ 15-1, now 12-1.


R7 Dubai Turf

:6: The Grey Gatsby has been hammered today. Solid 5-2 from 7-2.

:3: Mshawish has drifted from 7-1 early in the week, out to 12-1.

:10: Solow - popular into 2-1 on Thursday, now back out to 5-2.


R8 Sheema Classic

:5: Main Sequence does not have much support here - out to 6-1.

R9 World Cup

:2: Hokko Tarumae has seen some action today - down to 9-1

:9: California Chrome has eased slightly out to 9-5


Good luck to all!

[Shelby]

Meydan always awes me. Simply gorgeous.

[ArlJim78]

I'm going with Sir Fever in the derby. Thinking he turns the tables this time on Mubtaahij

[Grits]

:9: Maftool to win (last figure increased 8 pts over prior)

:4: Spring Fever (last figure increased, again, 8 over last)

These two over the :1: Mubtaahij

:6: Tap That (on looks and 3rd start.) Great name for a Tapit!! lolol

[Some_One]

Wow, this horse has quite an explosive turn of foot

[ArlJim78]

OH MY! super

[PizzaCat]

Well that was quite impressive... Looked like he had a lot left in the tank as well.

[spiketoo]

Derby bound.

[kevb]

Mubtaahij is 60:1 in the KY Derby Futures pool 4. I wonder what he will be at the end of he day.

[spiketoo]

de Kock said he doesn't know the words to My Old Kentucky Home, but he'll learn it.

[PizzaCat]

Certainly didn't sound like any doubt in his words that Mubtaahij is Derby bound.

[spiketoo]

Can someone post the fractions?

[Grits]

As they noted, "he wins with arrogance". That's pretty good.

[Some_One]

For the winner
26.31
50.32
74.51
99.61
118.353

(remember no run up)

[Grits]

This last one was a mighty large field to toil (handicapping wise) over a turf sprint. I didn't touch it. ... Its quite a long day. :lol:

[horses4courses]

Certainly didn't sound like any doubt in his words that Mubtaahij is Derby bound.

30-1+ springs to mind...... ;)

[cecil127]

well, that is a first: Race 6 I placed my first "swinger" wager...5/10 with 5/7/10.

[turninforhome10]

Race 7
1 Omni Box
:1: :3: :4: :8: :10: 10$
The Great Gatsby looks terrible washing out

[Grits]

Freddie Head is one of the most gracious individuals that has ever been a part of thoroughbred racing, while a jockey and a trainer. Love to see him win. Incredibly well spoken and polite.

[turninforhome10]

Race 7
1 Omni Box
:1: :3: :4: :8: :10: 10$
The Great Gatsby looks terrible washing out
return 5.20 :ThmbDown: The Head family is a credit to racing, given us some of the best.

[ArlJim78]

Chrome opens at 2-5!

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm going to take $14 and toy with this race, as my handle on these foreign horses is never very good...what I do know is my goal is to beat Chrome, who is 1/1 with 5 minutes to go...just heard on TVG that people call Chrome a "freak." Man, the definition of freak sure has been degraded over the years... :lol:

So, with my $14 of disposable income, I'll do the following outrageous play:

$2 win :1: :8: :2: :3:
$1 Exacta :1: :8: / :1: :8: :2: :3:

[PaceAdvantage]

I really liked the #1 based on the TimeForumUS figures...made some money, but my bias against Chrome prevented me from hitting the exacta...oh well

Freak my ass... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[HuggingTheRail]

I'm going to take $14 and toy with this race, as my handle on these foreign horses is never very good...what I do know is my goal is to beat Chrome, who is 1/1 with 5 minutes to go...just heard on TVG that people call Chrome a "freak." Man, the definition of freak sure has been degraded over the years... :lol:

So, with my $14 of disposable income, I'll do the following outrageous play:

$2 win :1: :8: :2: :3:
$1 Exacta :1: :8: / :1: :8: :2: :3:

Now you'll have about $36 of disposable income.... :ThmbUp:

[PhantomOnTour]

Nice job Pace

I bet this race every year...AND LOSE ! :bang:

[Shelby]

Chrome did better than I thought he would. I didn't have him in my super.

(I swore I wasn't going to bet....I don't know what happened lol)

[Grits]

Its bad form to quote oneself, so forgive me, please. I boxed, betting Chrome to win would've been absurd.

zerodark4am--going over TFUS past performances.

The comments in these are greatly detailed and extensive. They're awesome!!! Helps a lot with horses one isn't familiar with. Thanks Marc & Co.

Good luck, gentlemen, with all your wagers. ;)

For the DWC.

:9: to win
:3: to place (this one, last year's winner, comes in today with a 12 point jump between last two figures. 3rd off)

Boxing these four.

:1: 3rd off
:3: 3rd off
:5: 3rd off
:9:

[PaceAdvantage]

WTG Grits...wish I had more confidence in Chrome...I didn't even want to toss him in my exacta underneath... :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

What are people smoking?

TVG just said "you can argue the winner of the Dubai World Cup just beat the best horse in the world"

Yeah? Really? Oy...

[Saratoga_Mike]

What are people smoking?

TVG just said "you can argue the winner of the Dubai World Cup just beat the best horse in the world"

Yeah? Really? Oy...

Insanity. And how does $10 mm attract that field? Pitiful.

[Grits]

TVG has always gushed over Chrome, of course, you anticipate this....

[PaceAdvantage]

TVG has always gushed over Chrome, of course, you anticipate this....Yeah, but at some point, where loss after loss in BIG races (I don't count the Hollywood Derby as a BIG race) start to pile up, the tune has to change...

[Saratoga_Mike]

I can hear the owners now: jet lag cost him the race

[Grits]

Mike, I'm sorry.. now I don't care that he lost. Its their problem.:lol:

The 1. exacta paid $54.60. The .50 tri paid $85.35. Do the math. The $2. payouts were a bit better. :)

[ArlJim78]

Chrome ran a very good race.

[OntheRail]

Chrome finished better then I had him placed... Sherman said Chrome lost ground to the Winner, Hell Prince Bishop gave it away early and still had a lot on the end to run away with it. Great Ride By Buick.

[PaceAdvantage]

How does anyone justify even money on this horse? Just on history alone.

Now you throw in a trip halfway around the world...the heat...the surface...it's just mind boggling that people bet this horse this hard after all things considered...

That's why this game is still such a good one...despite the takeouts...despite all the other garbage...

[Greyfox]

How does anyone justify even money on this horse? Just on history alone.

Now you throw in a trip halfway around the world...the heat...the surface...it's just mind boggling that people bet this horse this hard after all things considered...

That's why this game is still such a good one...despite the takeouts...despite all the other garbage...

California Chrome was over bet considering the field and the conditions you mention.
He did however run a very good race losing ground on both turns and still finishing second.
The connections have to be happy with his good showing.

[PaceAdvantage]

I never said he wasn't any good.

But he's not a freak. And he's quickly justifying those of us who said he didn't deserve horse of the year, not that what he does in 2015 counts anything towards 2014, but you get my point.

[classhandicapper]

1. Good horses win Grade 1 races

2. Very good horses win multiple Grade 1 races

3. Great horses win multiple Grade 1 races and even win when they face severe ground loss, run against a bias, run against the pace flow, their major opposition gets a favorable scenario etc...

IMO, California Chrome is a very good horse. There is no shame in not being a great horse. There are very few great horses.

[Rex Phinney]

I never said he wasn't any good.

But he's not a freak. And he's quickly justifying those of us who said he didn't deserve horse of the year, not that what he does in 2015 counts anything towards 2014, but you get my point.

I agree, at some point everyone has to accept that lots of horses hit the board in Graded races, but noone calls them a freak or an all time great.

He was a 3YO who got hot at the right time, and probably caught a weak field in Maryland.

Bad thing is IMO he is still good enough to win big races if they would handle him better.

Coming back in Penn Derby off that layoff? Shutting him down for 3 months again, then bringing him back to face SB who was in full stride? Sitting him out again to wait for Dubai?

Clearly the horse was on his way back and took a step forward in the classic, since then, they have run him on grass, sat him, ran him against the best horse in the world off a layoff and then sent him to Dubai.

He is totally done now, I love Art Sherman to death but getting a horse back from Dubai and running back to their prior form is hard even for the Baffert's and Mott's of the world.

[Frost king]

The horse that beat Chrome, was nothing more than a gelded mule. Before today, this horse has run three times in this race and has finished 9th, 10th and 8th.

[Saratoga_Mike]

The horse that beat Chrome, was nothing more than a gelded mule. Before today, this horse has run three times in this race and has finished 9th, 10th and 8th.

Apparently the mule likes the new surface better than the old.

[horses4courses]

California Chrome is not a "super horse".
Shared Belief has the makings of one.

This was still a good move by CC's connections, though.
What did he get for second? A couple million dollars?
Plus, I bet they got a good chunk of change for just showing up.

Smart move - got beaten by a better horse on the day.
The home team is always hard to beat.

Here's hoping that CC bounces back quickly after the journey home.
Anything less could be the only downside to this trip.

[Cratos]

1. Good horses win Grade 1 races

2. Very good horses win multiple Grade 1 races

3. Great horses win multiple Grade 1 races and even win when they face severe ground loss, runr against a bias, run against the pace flow, their major opposition gets a favorable scenario etc...

IMO, California Chrome is a very good horse. There is no shame in not being a great horse. There are very few great horses.
I picked CC to win the DWC because I thought he would run back to his BC performance, but he didn't.

Also excuses of his going wide will not help his case; CC is a good horse and his connections should be happy because they caught "lighting in the botrle" with a modest bred horse and a year (2014) when the stars lined up right for them.

However I don't see 2015 being as favorable to CC because I believe the competition will be lot more tougher than last year.

Having said that , I applaud CC''s connection for taking him to Dubai because if the purse breakage is the same as it is in NA they picked up a cool $2M which should make the trip to Dubai well worth it.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

1. Good horses win Grade 1 races

2. Very good horses win multiple Grade 1 races

3. Great horses win multiple Grade 1 races and even win when they face severe ground loss, run against a bias, run against the pace flow, their major opposition gets a favorable scenario etc...

IMO, California Chrome is a very good horse. There is no shame in not being a great horse. There are very few great horses.

100% agree.

Love, hate, respect, or disrespect California Chrome, he is good for the sport because he brings fans to the stands and creates interest at the windows.

What more does anybody want from a horse?

[taxicab]

Prince Bishop certainly looked all the horse today,he's really getting better with age.
That's 3 of the last 4 years for the Sheikh and Godolphin,I would say a home court advantage is starting to appear in the desert.
Perhaps we will see Prince Bishop @ Keenland in the Breeders Cup Classic(the Distance/Surface appear to be right up his alley).
California Chrome turned in his usual big race,nice little 2 million dollar payday for the reigning Horse of the Year.
It looks like the owners had it right all along,CC can compete with the best horses in the world anytime/anyplace.
CC is everything that a HOY/Champion should be,he races anywhere on the planet taking on all comers.......always runs huge,never ducking anybody.
The beauty of CC is he's been in training for over two years straight and shows no signs of slowing down. :eek:
He's a warrior that never tails off.
I have seen no indication that CC is any the worse for wear due to his grueling schedule.
And don't forget, today he ran giant without Lasix......don't think the breeders throughout the world didn't notice that.