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maddog42
03-17-2015, 09:27 AM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/14/1370961/-European-Leaders-Condemn-Paul-Rubio-And-All-47-Traitors-Who-Sent-Letter-To-Iran-Petition-Soars#

Tom
03-17-2015, 09:31 AM
None of their business.

Clocker
03-17-2015, 10:30 AM
Wow! Overwhelming opposition from world leaders. Two of them. :rolleyes:

One of the two "world leaders" named in the article was Iran's Foreign Minister Zarif. The other said this:

“Suddenly, Iran can say to us: ‘Are your proposals actually trustworthy if 47 senators say that no matter what the government agrees to, we can subsequently take it off the table?’ ” German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said during a visit to Washington.

Yes, Minister Steinmeier, any agreement can be taken off the table at any time. John Kerry said so himself last week when he stated that any agreement with Iran is not legally binding on the US if it is not ratified by the Senate. Which is to say, if it is not ratified by the people that signed that letter. So they were not interfering in international affairs, they were reminding the participants of their legitimate role in it.

fast4522
03-17-2015, 10:43 AM
None of their business.

Exactly. :ThmbUp:

ArlJim78
03-17-2015, 11:02 AM
maddog have you considered putting some of this stuff in the humor thread? This kind of dailykos level analysis is hilarious.

dartman51
03-17-2015, 12:55 PM
maddog have you considered putting some of this stuff in the humor thread? This kind of dailykos level analysis is hilarious.


Can you spell T-R-O-L-L :eek:

maddog42
03-17-2015, 12:58 PM
A fellow Republican is calling them "traitors".

http://samuel-warde.com/2015/03/lawrence-wilkerson-senators-are-traitors/

maddog42
03-17-2015, 01:05 PM
Wow! Overwhelming opposition from world leaders. Two of them. :rolleyes:

One of the two "world leaders" named in the article was Iran's Foreign Minister Zarif. The other said this:
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Many more European leaders have condemned this action:

Even before Steinmeier’s visit on Thursday, Germany, Britain and France had repeatedly expressed concern about congressional interference in the talks. Ambassadors from the three Western European countries have been a frequent presence on Capitol Hill, trying to persuade lawmakers to hold off on new Iran sanctions or any other legislation related to the negotiations while they are underway.

Following publication of the letter Sunday night, French Ambassador Gerard Araud, a diplomat of long experience in this country and a prolific user of social media, posted a Twitter link to the letter and his own comment that “for a foreigner, Washington can be full of surprise.”

In London on Tuesday, British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond told a parliamentary committee that new legislation on Iran “could become a spanner in the works” and “have an unpredictable effect on leadership opinion and public opinion in Tehran.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/european-allies-join-in-criticism-of-republican-letter-to-iran/2015/03/12/9469148e-c8e7-11e4-aa1a-86135599fb0f_story.html

maddog42
03-17-2015, 01:06 PM
Obama is right. They are traitors at worst and "have embarrassed themselves" at best.

Clocker
03-17-2015, 01:09 PM
A fellow Republican is calling them "traitors".



So? Some random professor knows more about foreign policy than 47 Senators? Why should anyone believe that guy knows what he is talking about?

Tom
03-17-2015, 01:15 PM
Can you spell T-R-O-L-L :eek:

Yes.....M-A-D-D-O-G :D

Tom
03-17-2015, 01:19 PM
You do not negotiate with Iran. Period.
You hurt them and and you tell what you will accept.

But only a fool negotiates with terrorists.
Cue Obama.....the biggest fool of them all.

He and Kerry are ensuring a nuclear terror nation.

Clocker
03-17-2015, 01:48 PM
Many more European leaders have condemned this action:

Even before Steinmeier’s visit on Thursday, Germany, Britain and France had repeatedly expressed concern about congressional interference in the talks. Ambassadors from the three Western European countries have been a frequent presence on Capitol Hill, trying to persuade lawmakers to hold off on new Iran sanctions or any other legislation related to the negotiations while they are underway.

Following publication of the letter Sunday night, French Ambassador Gerard Araud, a diplomat of long experience in this country and a prolific user of social media, posted a Twitter link to the letter and his own comment that “for a foreigner, Washington can be full of surprise.”

In London on Tuesday, British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond told a parliamentary committee that new legislation on Iran “could become a spanner in the works” and “have an unpredictable effect on leadership opinion and public opinion in Tehran.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/european-allies-join-in-criticism-of-republican-letter-to-iran/2015/03/12/9469148e-c8e7-11e4-aa1a-86135599fb0f_story.html

So "world leaders" in Europe are qualified to tell us what our foreign policy should be? If it wasn't for the US, people in those countries would have been speaking German by 1950, and Russian by 1980. And if Obama had his way, we would be speaking Arabic by 2025.

Whatever else you might want to call those 47 Senators, you have to call them realists. Iran is going to do what it wants to do. Any agreement on their part would be a smoke screen and a stall. All they want to do is to get the US to lift the economic sanctions and leave them alone to build their bombs. If they have to put a little window dressing on that, they will. But they will keep building bombs.

Obama is living in Wonder Land. He thinks that he can negotiate a win-win agreement with Iran, and that they will live up to their part of the bargain.

Tom
03-17-2015, 01:56 PM
Europe had a way of negotiating with Hitler in the 1930's.

Hey doggie, how'd THAT work out for them then? :lol::lol:

Clocker
03-17-2015, 02:01 PM
Europe had a way of negotiating with Hitler in the 1930's.

Hey doggie, how'd THAT work out for them then? :lol::lol:

Sehr gut!

Tom
03-17-2015, 02:24 PM
Obama, Kerry, Chamberlin......knuck knuck knuck! Woo woo wooo woooo!

Clocker
03-17-2015, 03:01 PM
Turn about is fair play. Two groups of Iranian dissidents and political prisoners have written open letters to Obama telling him that his policies on Iran are all wrong.

JERUSALEM—A group of Iranian dissidents and political prisoners have lashed out at the Obama administration, lambasting its ongoing diplomacy with Iran, according to two open letters sent to the White House in recent days.

As Tehran and the United States move closer to a final deal aimed at stalling Iran’s nuclear breakout time at around one year, opponents are stepping forward to register their skepticism and anger over the agreement, which they say does little to address the Islamic Republic’s poor human rights record.

In each letter, the dissidents—most of whom are currently political prisoners in Iran—criticize the White House for ignoring the issues of human rights and democracy in Iran as they push to finalize a deal with a regime that the dissidents says is murderous and untrustworthy.

Iranian reformers and those seeking a change in the country’s leadership say they do not view the agreement as representing the plurality of Iranians.

“Any deal in which the real representatives of Iranian people are not present and human rights are ignored, is basically a deal between President Obama and Khamenei’s agents, and Iranian people will not consider it to be legal,” 21 Iranian political prisoners wrote in an open letter to Obama that was translated from Persian for the Washington Free Beacon.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/iranian-dissidents-criticize-obamas-nuclear-diplomacy/

PaceAdvantage
03-17-2015, 04:40 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/03/15/calling_them_traitors_beyond_orwellian_125928.html

Hypocrisy may be too mild a word for liberals who complain when their patriotism is questioned, and then immediately resort to that tactic when they perceive an opening. But even taking these smears at face value, they make little sense.

Let’s start with the claims made by Obama and Hillary Clinton. No, the 47 senators don’t want to “help Iran” or want the same thing as Iran “hardliners.” They want to gum up the negotiations with Iran because they believe your administration has been too easy on Iran. The Republican senators want stronger sanctions and tougher requirements. They want to cripple Iran’s nuclear program—precisely the opposite of what Iran’s hardliners want.

Let’s also be clear that the 47 Republicans didn’t negotiate with the ayatollahs. They wrote an open letter—really an op-ed, conveying their concern that the Obama administration is essentially negotiating an international treaty without seeking Senate ratification. Unlike the Logan Act nonsense, this is a serious argument involving separation of powers, which Obama often treats as an inconvenience instead of a hallowed constitutional doctrine.

As for calling Tom Cotton a traitor—this is a man who, after graduating from Harvard Law School, enlisted in the U.S. Army to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan—that’s just, well, Orwellian. Having said all that, if Sen. Cotton or his 46 co-signatories had sought my counsel, I would have advised against writing the letter in that form. I found it politically tone deaf, disrespectful to the nation’s elected president, confusing to America’s allies—and counter-productive.

Clocker
03-17-2015, 04:50 PM
Oops, we may have to back off on our distrust of Iran. Looks like they are the good guys now.



An annual report delivered recently to the US Senate by James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence, removed Iran and Hezbollah from its list of terrorism threats, after years in which they featured in similar reports.


http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-report-scraps-iran-hezbollah-from-list-of-terror-threats/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tom
03-18-2015, 07:28 AM
disrespectful to the nation’s elected president,

That is what I liked about it! :D

fast4522
03-18-2015, 05:19 PM
More like Acts By Paul, Rubio & 47 patriot's who will still be holding public office long after the jackal is gone into retirement.

Clocker
03-19-2015, 11:04 AM
While French leaders generally dislike Netanyahu, reports are that they believe that his policy regarding Iran is correct, and that Obama has it all wrong.


Laurent Fabius -- once François Mitterrand's youngest Prime Minister; today's François Hollande's seasoned Foreign Minister -- is "fed up with Barack Obama's nuclear laxity" regarding Iran, a Quai senior diplomat told Le Canard Enchaîné's usually well-informed Claude Angéli, who can be relied on to give the unvarnished French view on matters foreign. "Just as in 2013, France will oppose any agreement too favorable to Iran if this turns out to be necessary. Fabius made this very clear to John Kerry when they met on Saturday March 7th."

So when Claude Angéli says that both Fabius and President François Hollande have told friends that they rely on "the support of the US Congress" to prevent Obama from giving in to Iran's nuclear ambitions, it's the kind of quote you can take to the bank. French leaders think the U.S. president is dangerously "naïve" on Iran's ambitions, and that his notion of making Iran an "objective ally" in the war against ISIS, or even a partner, together with Putin's Russia, to find a political solution to the Syrian crisis, is both far-fetched and amateurish.


The French are still smarting from the last-minute reprieve Obama granted Syria, as the French air force was about to bomb the Assad regime's military positions back in 2013, because the U.S. President had been convinced by Russia that they had succeeded in making Syrian President Bashar al-Assad give up on the use of his chemical weapons. "Our Rafale fighters were about to scramble," a French air force officer is quoted as saying; "Hollande was furious."

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5391/france-iran-talks

Clocker
03-22-2015, 04:55 PM
Seems that there are a few traitors in the House of Representatives too. About 360 of them. That's how many signed a letter to Obama reminding him that Congress must agree to any removal of economic sanctions on Iran. I didn't know that there were that many Republicans in the House. :p

Funny, I haven't heard anything about this in the media. :rolleyes:

"Should an agreement with Iran be reached, permanent sanctions relief from congressionally-mandated sanctions would require new legislation," the letter says.

"In reviewing such an agreement, Congress must be convinced that its terms foreclose any pathway to a bomb, and only then will Congress be able to consider permanent sanctions relief," it adds.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/236272-house-members-sent-iran-letter-to-obama

Tom
03-23-2015, 08:49 PM
It seems only Obama and Kerry think it is a good idea to negotiate with a scum bucket leader, who, just this weekend called for death to America.

I've had the flu for a few days - did the Lame Stream Media cover that?

Imagine what kind of an idiot is prepared to take the word a man who is calling for death to us in the midst of negotiations.

The world knows two fools when they see them.
And Kerry and Obama are the biggest fools on the face of the earth.
After those who support them! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: