Georgia - getting ready to race

[horses4courses]

Great to hear of expansion taking place in the sport we love.
Georgia is close to introducing legislation to begin thoroughbred racing.

Best of luck to them!

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[Some_One]

Unless Instant Racing is part of their plan, the track will probably fold after 12 months.

[Stillriledup]

Unless Instant Racing is part of their plan, the track will probably fold after 12 months.

ANMnMSpGxno

[baconswitchfarm]

Unless Instant Racing is part of their plan, the track will probably fold after 12 months.




+1 Debbie :ThmbUp:

[LottaKash]

Unless Instant Racing is part of their plan, the track will probably fold after 12 months.

Haha, I don't believe that it will ever happen, let alone survive more than a silly season...Given, as of lately, the way horse racing has been on such a downward-slide heading towards oblivion, in some other more historically entrenched venues..... :eek:

[duncan04]

Unless Instant Racing is part of their plan, the track will probably fold after 12 months.

And that is a shame. Once the slots or Instant racing comes in, racing becomes secondary and will be around until its not needed anymore

[Some_One]

And that is a shame. Once the slots or Instant racing comes in, racing becomes secondary and will be around until its not needed anymore

Governments will find a way to take the money from slots/instant racing as pretty much every state is broke, it's simply too attractive of a pot to not grab. When that happens, who's left? SA/Dmr + CD/Kee? Reduced meets at Bel/Sar? The people have spoken, how else do you explain the numbers getting lower and lower for racing and DraftKings/Fan Duel going from 0 to 2 bil in a couple of years.

[JimG]

If they get racing they better build it where the population base resides, near the Atlanta area. Don't be stupid like my home state of VA and build it in the middle of nowhere.

Jim

[Redboard]

That's great news. Just what we need more $8k claiming races.

[GameTheory]

If they get racing they better build it where the population base resides, near the Atlanta area. Don't be stupid like my home state of VA and build it in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah, I believe that's the idea. The group of rich dudes that is behind this has apparently been working for years to get it going. I think they want to make something greater than another bottom-feeding track, but we'll see. I'm just hoping this will lead to me being able to actually make a bet in this state...

[chadk66]

hope it doesn't go the way of Birmingham Turf Club

[horses4courses]

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[PaceAdvantage]

Haha, I don't believe that it will ever happen, let alone survive more than a silly season...Given, as of lately, the way horse racing has been on such a downward-slide heading towards oblivion, in some other more historically entrenched venues..... :eek:Politically motivated signature removed.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

hope it doesn't go the way of Birmingham Turf Club

I was thinking the same thing. I still can't believe some of the track executives dressed up as "false projections" on closing day, Halloween, 1987. What a bunch of toads.

They were hoping to get something like $1.3M per day in handle and attendance of 10,000. Instead, they averaged closer numbers to less than half of that, and were getting worse by the end of the third meet on Halloween. The highlight of that track was Lost Code winning the Alabama Derby. It was built for $85M, and resold years later for a fraction of that - I knew several people who lost all their investment on that "can't miss" opportunity.

A track near Atlanta would make more sense, and in the spring and fall could maybe catch some of the Florida-bound traffic. But I don't see how the numbers add up in this economy.....

[thespaah]

Unless Instant Racing is part of their plan, the track will probably fold after 12 months.
You have problems.....Take your black cloud elsewhere please.
Thank you..

[thespaah]

hope it doesn't go the way of Birmingham Turf Club
I agree...Tell ya what...I went there when BTC first opened. The place was nice. Well kept. I went on Preakenss Day in 1990 ....Part of the problem was the area, Birmingham is a relatively small city. And it's isolated. it is some 140 miles from Downtown Atlanta.
The other issue was the name chosen for the track...I read an article about the track's struggles. The one aspect was the name. "Turf Club" which the writer described as more or less exclusiveness to it...
Atlanta is a giant metro area....Lots of transplants from states where PM wagering is legal...
I would assume Atlanta would be the target market for a race track. The only other location would be near Savannah...I-95..Second largest population center. major interstate. Nice weather in spring and fall. Not much of a winter.
I hope it passes. Since the horsemen in VA have all but shut down Colonial, the closest PM track to where I live, A track in GA would suit me just fine.

[thespaah]

I was thinking the same thing. I still can't believe some of the track executives dressed up as "false projections" on closing day, Halloween, 1987. What a bunch of toads.

They were hoping to get something like $1.3M per day in handle and attendance of 10,000. Instead, they averaged closer numbers to less than half of that, and were getting worse by the end of the third meet on Halloween. The highlight of that track was Lost Code winning the Alabama Derby. It was built for $85M, and resold years later for a fraction of that - I knew several people who lost all their investment on that "can't miss" opportunity.

A track near Atlanta would make more sense, and in the spring and fall could maybe catch some of the Florida-bound traffic. But I don't see how the numbers add up in this economy.....
BTC was in a bad spot. Birmingham, Al is not a large city. It also is not a very wealthy place where folks have a lot of disposable income. Plus, Alabama was still the buckle of the Bible Belt...
In fasct the AL atty general was so anti gambling he found some obscure law dating back a hundred or more years to make an attempt at shutting down all forms of wagering in the state. It worked for a while but his efforts were eventually defeated.
Atlanta is a much more viable location....We'll see.

[thespaah]

The cynicism from some posters on here have me wondering why they even bother with this sport...
it's either that or PA has been invaded by New Jersey NIMBY's and naysayers.
The "Why should we" bunch....

[ChickenOrTheEgg]

Great to hear of expansion taking place in the sport we love.
Georgia is close to introducing legislation to begin thoroughbred racing.

Best of luck to them!

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This is an annual song and dance that starts with great excitement and dies quietly. I have been following it for years and each year some lawmaker introduces a bill that stalls somewhere along the road. From what I understand the current bill is a constitutional amendment, which requires a two-thirds vote to pass. If it passes the House and Senate it still needs a majority vote in a referendum. There are a lot of people that are staunchly opposed to gambling expansion in GA. I know they are trying to get support by offering some money to the financially struggling HOPE scholarships and by focusing on internet wagering but it is really a major uphill battle in Georgia. It's too bad because it would be awesome to have some live races around Atlanta.

[JustRalph]

Just what we need! More tracks!! :ThmbUp:

[chadk66]

I was thinking the same thing. I still can't believe some of the track executives dressed up as "false projections" on closing day, Halloween, 1987. What a bunch of toads.

They were hoping to get something like $1.3M per day in handle and attendance of 10,000. Instead, they averaged closer numbers to less than half of that, and were getting worse by the end of the third meet on Halloween. The highlight of that track was Lost Code winning the Alabama Derby. It was built for $85M, and resold years later for a fraction of that - I knew several people who lost all their investment on that "can't miss" opportunity.

A track near Atlanta would make more sense, and in the spring and fall could maybe catch some of the Florida-bound traffic. But I don't see how the numbers add up in this economy.....I actually took a string of horses to birmingham when it opened. nice place. great people. Lost Code winning the derby was awesome. My personal opinion on it's demise was this. Racism is alive and well in Alabama. Blacks greatly support racing in the majority of jurisdictions. When they named the track "turf club" the blacks didn't feel welcome to a "club" they figured was a white guy club. So therefor they didn't show up to bet. I can remember seeing very few blacks there. And I mean very few.

[chadk66]

BTC was in a bad spot. Birmingham, Al is not a large city. It also is not a very wealthy place where folks have a lot of disposable income. Plus, Alabama was still the buckle of the Bible Belt...
In fasct the AL atty general was so anti gambling he found some obscure law dating back a hundred or more years to make an attempt at shutting down all forms of wagering in the state. It worked for a while but his efforts were eventually defeated.
Atlanta is a much more viable location....We'll see.I think your right regarding the religious aspect. very valid point. But would Georgia be any different?

[acorn54]

You have problems.....Take your black cloud elsewhere please.
Thank you..
:ThmbUp:
actually the month of february,2015 at sam houston race track saw the biggest increase in wagering handle of ALL tracks from february of 2014.
if the tracks give good betting races their handle will increase and they will thrive, it is as simple as that.

[Redboard]

:ThmbUp:
actually the month of february,2015 at Sam Houston race track saw the biggest increase in wagering handle of ALL tracks from February of 2014.
....

That's easily explained by those Zebra races the added to the regular Camel and Ostrich Races.
:)

[therussmeister]

:ThmbUp:
actually the month of february,2015 at sam houston race track saw the biggest increase in wagering handle of ALL tracks from february of 2014.
if the tracks give good betting races their handle will increase and they will thrive, it is as simple as that.
Now if they could only talk the local population to bet their races they would have something.

[thespaah]

I think your right regarding the religious aspect. very valid point. But would Georgia be any different?
I believe so...Atlanta is a city or transplants. Mainly from north of the mason Dixon line.
In fact there are couple thousand Mercedes Benz employees who will be moving from Montvale. NJ to Atlanta.
Perhaps if this were 20 or more years ago, the religious aspect would have interfered. Not now. Remember this, Georgia was the first Bible Belt state to enact a state lottery.
One other encouraging aspect. Aiken, SC is just 80 miles from Atlanta. There is quite a strong presence in the Aiken area for the horse business.
http://aikentrials.com/
http://www.aikentrainingtrack.com/

Aiken is the "Saratoga of the South"...Evebn today there is a strong presence of thoroughbreds in Aiken. The area drips with money. Old money
Years ago Aiken was more or less the winter quarters of many of the same families of Thoroughbred racing that founded Saratoga Race Course.
I have always maintained that if South Carolina had legal PM wagering, there would be a racetrack some where supporting the Aiken area. Perhaps a late winter or early spring meet that would catch connections heading back north from winter in Florida....
Could it be possible for this to happen at a Georgia track?....Heck, why not...

[thespaah]

Just what we need! More tracks!! :ThmbUp:
Done correctly, do you not see this as having a possibility of success?

[thespaah]

I actually took a string of horses to birmingham when it opened. nice place. great people. Lost Code winning the derby was awesome. My personal opinion on it's demise was this. Racism is alive and well in Alabama. Blacks greatly support racing in the majority of jurisdictions. When they named the track "turf club" the blacks didn't feel welcome to a "club" they figured was a white guy club. So therefor they didn't show up to bet. I can remember seeing very few blacks there. And I mean very few.
Yeah.. I noticed that in my two visits to BTC....That given the fact that Birmingham is almost majority black.
I am not sure if it was the original owners that changed the name to Birmingham Race Course. I think the change was too late.
It's a shame because the it was a very nice facility.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

I actually took a string of horses to birmingham when it opened. nice place. great people. Lost Code winning the derby was awesome. My personal opinion on it's demise was this. Racism is alive and well in Alabama. Blacks greatly support racing in the majority of jurisdictions. When they named the track "turf club" the blacks didn't feel welcome to a "club" they figured was a white guy club. So therefor they didn't show up to bet. I can remember seeing very few blacks there. And I mean very few.

I'm not sure if the name of the facility impacted the attendance of blacks or not, but I agree that the crowd did not have many blacks - though more blacks were at the BTC than were at the stock car races in Huntsville. And while racism was alive (and still is, of course) in Alabama at the time, I thought race relations over all were much better there than up north. I don't believe there's a neighborhood in Birmingham that comes close to a battle zone like East St. Louis, which is right next to Fairmount Park.

I was onsite when the track (now renamed to the Birmingham Race Course) introduced dog racing in October of 1992. Busloads of people streamed in to bet the puppies, and the majority seemed to be black. I was shocked that people wanted to bet so much money on dogs.

The honeymoon didn't last long, as the graph in this article shows:

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/08/birmingham_race_course_needs_a.html

[GaryG]

I lived in Gwinnett County in the last half of the 90s due to family considerations. Made the trip over to Birmingham many times and it was quite nice. There was no place in Georgia to buy a Racing Form and I never knew another horseplayer there even though there are plenty of yankee transplants. Sounds like a bad idea to me, but I am curious to see what goes. My closest track is Keeneland and since VA and KY closed there are no OTBs anywhere near. I can get to Atlanta in 4 hours though.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

....
Could it be possible for this to happen at a Georgia track?....Heck, why not...

Take a look at a map showing the counties in Georgia. The politics in that state will present an uphill battle just trying to determine where a racetrack or race course would be built.

The demographics are much different in the Atlanta area versus Birmingham, and maybe there is a path to hosting successful racing in the state. Starting off small with "hunt meeting" style events and building on that seems the most logical to me. Mandate drug free racing, and single digit takeouts, and it could be interesting. But considering the fact that horse racing continues to decline in most venues, many with plenty of history and tradition, does not bode well for introducing the sport to a new area.

Call me a cynic, but in my mind I'm just a realist.

[burnsy]

Very well said Hoofless. Exactly how I feel about racing. People are calling the "cynics" "dark clouds". Sometimes they do go to the extreme, but hey, they are not just gamblers they are also fans of the game and the horses. This isn't like casino gaming, its a sport with real people and real athletes. Someone was wondering why the people on this board are the loudest critics.....its not because they hate it, they are also fans that love this game.

When you have people like that sounding the alarm the industry should really listen instead of dismissing them. Some are overboard and over cynical but many more are as Hoofless stated....realist. With any problem in life, it doesn't matter what it is people loath to change. The hardest thing to do is to openly admit to a problem and then follow through with a plan of change. That's where racing is at. The drunk guy that shows up to work late or bangs in because he can't make it. He has a good job but does not realize the next incident could get him canned. All the people that love him and care are warning him. When a business is operated this way...."canned" means a lack of demand and ultimately the decline of that "brand". I heard one guy hollering that people don't understand the "economics" of owning a horse and horse racing. My reply: Horse racing refuses to see the economic writing on the wall and some are in "continuous denial"....just like the drunk that thinks he's got it all under control. That's the "dark cloud" hanging over this game, the people sounding the alarm are the ones that can actually see "it".

[chadk66]

I believe so...Atlanta is a city or transplants. Mainly from north of the mason Dixon line.
In fact there are couple thousand Mercedes Benz employees who will be moving from Montvale. NJ to Atlanta.
Perhaps if this were 20 or more years ago, the religious aspect would have interfered. Not now. Remember this, Georgia was the first Bible Belt state to enact a state lottery.
One other encouraging aspect. Aiken, SC is just 80 miles from Atlanta. There is quite a strong presence in the Aiken area for the horse business.
http://aikentrials.com/
http://www.aikentrainingtrack.com/

Aiken is the "Saratoga of the South"...Evebn today there is a strong presence of thoroughbreds in Aiken. The area drips with money. Old money
Years ago Aiken was more or less the winter quarters of many of the same families of Thoroughbred racing that founded Saratoga Race Course.
I have always maintained that if South Carolina had legal PM wagering, there would be a racetrack some where supporting the Aiken area. Perhaps a late winter or early spring meet that would catch connections heading back north from winter in Florida....
Could it be possible for this to happen at a Georgia track?....Heck, why not...interesting. totally agree with the Aiken points.

[chadk66]

I'm not sure if the name of the facility impacted the attendance of blacks or not, but I agree that the crowd did not have many blacks - though more blacks were at the BTC than were at the stock car races in Huntsville. And while racism was alive (and still is, of course) in Alabama at the time, I thought race relations over all were much better there than up north. I don't believe there's a neighborhood in Birmingham that comes close to a battle zone like East St. Louis, which is right next to Fairmount Park.

I was onsite when the track (now renamed to the Birmingham Race Course) introduced dog racing in October of 1992. Busloads of people streamed in to bet the puppies, and the majority seemed to be black. I was shocked that people wanted to bet so much money on dogs.

The honeymoon didn't last long, as the graph in this article shows:

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/08/birmingham_race_course_needs_a.htmlyea it's rather interesting. racism is certainly alive and well in the south. but your right it's nothing like up north. I think it's because they all know and accept it down south. They just get along. Choose to hang out at separate places and it is what it is. Up north they try to hide it until it blows up or something. it's perplexing.

[affirmedny]

qAjsuHNYbK4 I actually took a string of horses to birmingham when it opened. nice place. great people. Lost Code winning the derby was awesome. My personal opinion on it's demise was this. Racism is alive and well in Alabama. Blacks greatly support racing in the majority of jurisdictions. When they named the track "turf club" the blacks didn't feel welcome to a "club" they figured was a white guy club. So therefor they didn't show up to bet. I can remember seeing very few blacks there. And I mean very few.

[ubercapper]

Two votes shy. A lot closer than many predicted.

For that don't know the push for racing is backed by Dean & Patti Reeves, owners of Mucho Macho Man and lovers of the sport. A well run, boutique meeting (like Keeneland) in Georgia would work just fine IMO.

[Maximillion]

I'm not sure if the name of the facility impacted the attendance of blacks or not, but I agree that the crowd did not have many blacks - though more blacks were at the BTC than were at the stock car races in Huntsville. And while racism was alive (and still is, of course) in Alabama at the time, I thought race relations over all were much better there than up north. I don't believe there's a neighborhood in Birmingham that comes close to a battle zone like East St. Louis, which is right next to Fairmount Park.

I was onsite when the track (now renamed to the Birmingham Race Course) introduced dog racing in October of 1992. Busloads of people streamed in to bet the puppies, and the majority seemed to be black. I was shocked that people wanted to bet so much money on dogs.

The honeymoon didn't last long, as the graph in this article shows:

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2014/08/birmingham_race_course_needs_a.html

I had no idea FP was right next to E St Lois.
I have only been there twice, but this was in the 90s....a friend took us up there who knew the area.Have never been in ESL, but have heard plenty about it and Fairmount would seem to be on another planet from that area,at least back then.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

I had no idea FP was right next to E St Lois.
I have only been there twice, but this was in the 90s....a friend took us up there who knew the area.Have never been in ESL, but have heard plenty about it and Fairmount would seem to be on another planet from that area,at least back then.

I think the small suburb of Washington Park (which used to have some nasty strip joints) may be in between Fairmount (which is in Collinsville) and East St. Louis. But if you're coming over to the track from St. Louis, and drive over the un-Poplar Street Bridge, you've got to go through East St. Louis to get there. I was of the opinion that cut into track attendance.....

The Birmingham Turf Club projected that many fans would make the two hour drive from Atlanta, and I believe that was part of the reason the track was built on the east side of the metro area. I don't think that panned out for them. I'm curious as to what part of the Atlanta area would be the best place to build a track - and whether or not there would be MARTA access....

[chadk66]

qAjsuHNYbK4I can't thank you enough for posting this video. Lost Code is one of my all time favorite horses. He had an amazing three year old season. Had many nice visits with his trainer along the rail in the mornings. The horse was such an amazing horse. He liked the front end as much as any horse I've ever seen. thanks again

[thespaah]

I lived in Gwinnett County in the last half of the 90s due to family considerations. Made the trip over to Birmingham many times and it was quite nice. There was no place in Georgia to buy a Racing Form and I never knew another horseplayer there even though there are plenty of yankee transplants. Sounds like a bad idea to me, but I am curious to see what goes. My closest track is Keeneland and since VA and KY closed there are no OTBs anywhere near. I can get to Atlanta in 4 hours though.
Colonial is the closest PM Track to here..300 miles. Closest OTB, Martinsville, VA. About 2 hrs away. Now that the VA horsemen have completely screwed the pooch, there is nothing around here.
Next closest anything where I can place a bet is in Maryland. so I hope this goes through. The ATL Metro area is about 3 to 3.5 hrs. With Gwinnett County the closest.

[bello]

Another false alarm...Once again...This is an annual rite of spring

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/90669/georgia-pari-mutuel-legislation-stalls

[thespaah]

Very well said Hoofless. Exactly how I feel about racing. People are calling the "cynics" "dark clouds". Sometimes they do go to the extreme, but hey, they are not just gamblers they are also fans of the game and the horses. This isn't like casino gaming, its a sport with real people and real athletes. Someone was wondering why the people on this board are the loudest critics.....its not because they hate it, they are also fans that love this game.

When you have people like that sounding the alarm the industry should really listen instead of dismissing them. Some are overboard and over cynical but many more are as Hoofless stated....realist. With any problem in life, it doesn't matter what it is people loath to change. The hardest thing to do is to openly admit to a problem and then follow through with a plan of change. That's where racing is at. The drunk guy that shows up to work late or bangs in because he can't make it. He has a good job but does not realize the next incident could get him canned. All the people that love him and care are warning him. When a business is operated this way...."canned" means a lack of demand and ultimately the decline of that "brand". I heard one guy hollering that people don't understand the "economics" of owning a horse and horse racing. My reply: Horse racing refuses to see the economic writing on the wall and some are in "continuous denial"....just like the drunk that thinks he's got it all under control. That's the "dark cloud" hanging over this game, the people sounding the alarm are the ones that can actually see "it".
I get it....Here's my issue with the cynicism.
That "why should we. It's not going to work" attitude...
80 years ago, they built a huge dam across the Colorado River. Today, we cannot get a friggin necessary highway built without seeing negative comments,NIMBYS and idiotic environmentalist lawsuits.....Imagine the stuff we would not have it these forces were around to stop them...
In NJ, a casino in the meadowlands would almost be a license to print money. Yet, the NJ NIMBYS and other uninformed factions are opposed. Why? They don't know. They are opposed because they are opposed. For no apparent reason...This is not an NJ bash session. I used those examples to illustrate a point. That point is that getting things done is far more difficult...
Another example would be the first proposal to build a casino near the former Concord Hotel in the Catskills....A group representing some wacko environmental people filed a lawsuit and stopped the project cold...
it goes on and on.....There are always people who are opposed to just about anything....

[bello]

I lived in Gwinnett County in the last half of the 90s due to family considerations. Made the trip over to Birmingham many times and it was quite nice. There was no place in Georgia to buy a Racing Form and I never knew another horseplayer there even though there are plenty of yankee transplants. Sounds like a bad idea to me, but I am curious to see what goes. My closest track is Keeneland and since VA and KY closed there are no OTBs anywhere near. I can get to Atlanta in 4 hours though.

I'm afraid BRC is far from what it once was. I know, I am there twice a month. Ceilings falling down. Last winter the heat went out for a couple of months without being fixed. Mostly empty, even when the puppies race live. Give it a year or twwo and it will be as nasty as Aqueduct.

[thespaah]

Another false alarm...Once again...This is an annual rite of spring

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/90669/georgia-pari-mutuel-legislation-stalls
Now that really pisses me off. To have a legislature deny the voters the opportunity to decide for themselves. One has to ask, "what are those Senators afraid of? That it might pass?"
Typical southern politics.
Anyway, we had the same issue with getting a state lottery here in NC....and there are far more anti wagering/gaming people here.....The speaker of the NC House refused to even let a vote to come to the floor. That bil would have permitted the voters to decide on a state lottery. There was a changing of the guard in Raleigh and eventually the legislature passed a lottery bill.
Based on that, I think the Georgia situation will change . Perhaps as soon as the next legislative session.

[thespaah]

qAjsuHNYbK4
I never cared for Chris Lincoln.....He talked far too much. In fact it was his perpetually flapping gums that got him and ESPN booted from covering the Kentucky Derby. Lincoln lost his concentration during the draw for the 1998 KY Derby and announced the same post number( 15) for two different horses, causing the draw to be done all over again.

[Maximillion]

I think the small suburb of Washington Park (which used to have some nasty strip joints) may be in between Fairmount (which is in Collinsville) and East St. Louis. But if you're coming over to the track from St. Louis, and drive over the un-Poplar Street Bridge, you've got to go through East St. Louis to get there. I was of the opinion that cut into track attendance.....

The Birmingham Turf Club projected that many fans would make the two hour drive from Atlanta, and I believe that was part of the reason the track was built on the east side of the metro area. I don't think that panned out for them. I'm curious as to what part of the Atlanta area would be the best place to build a track - and whether or not there would be MARTA access....

Gotcha,makes sense.We were coming from the other direction.
Luckily for us I wasnt navigating or driving....would have probably made a wrong turn somewhere and ended up in ESL.

[GameTheory]

Even if they don't build a track, it would be nice to be able to use an ADW...

[thespaah]

Even if they don't build a track, it would be nice to be able to use an ADW...
:ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :jump:

[affirmedny]

I can't thank you enough for posting this video. Lost Code is one of my all time favorite horses. He had an amazing three year old season. Had many nice visits with his trainer along the rail in the mornings. The horse was such an amazing horse. He liked the front end as much as any horse I've ever seen. thanks again

you're welcome, thanks to PA for embedding it for me. I got a big kick out of how young Larry Collmus sounded and the interview with the young Jeff Lukas. Also it was interesting listening how the derby preps were 2 weeks apart back then and them questioning Phil Gleaves for resting his horse 4 weeks. How times have changed. As for Lost Code, I was lucky enough to see him face Alysheba and Bet Twice in the Haskell that year in a great race ending with the three of them heads apart at the wire.

[chadk66]

you're welcome, thanks to PA for embedding it for me. I got a big kick out of how young Larry Collmus sounded and the interview with the young Jeff Lukas. Also it was interesting listening how the derby preps were 2 weeks apart back then and them questioning Phil Gleaves for resting his horse 4 weeks. How times have changed. As for Lost Code, I was lucky enough to see him face Alysheba and Bet Twice in the Haskell that year in a great race ending with the three of them heads apart at the wire.that was probably one of the best races (haskell) of all time.