OBAMA Admin transparency? Rampant lawlessness

[JustRalph]

http://twitchy.com/2015/03/03/michelle-malkin-compiles-history-of-administrations-unorthodox-email-methods/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

Hiding emails and breaking Federal Law by doing it.

Malkin catalogs some examples

Hillary is going to hear about this too.....during the election

[JustRalph]

More to come

http://twitchy.com/2015/03/03/pat-sajak-needs-some-help-getting-in-touch-with-hillary/

This one is very interesting.....

http://twitchy.com/2015/03/03/team-clinton-releases-statement-on-hillarys-private-email-use-but-one-small-issue-was-overlooked/

[DJofSD]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?rref=homepage&module=Ribbon&version=origin&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Home%20Page&pgtype=article

WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, State Department officials said, and may have violated federal requirements that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record.

Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department. Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act.

Ya, the dems like to pass laws for the rest of us to follow, but they do as they please.

[JustRalph]

MSNBC is on the trail......

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=112&v=K5MNWeizLKQ

K5MNWeizLKQ

[woodtoo]

MSNBC is on the trail......

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=112&v=K5MNWeizLKQ

K5MNWeizLKQ
Well they went down quick.

[davew]

It is not lawlessness when you have the executive power to decide which laws are good enough to enforce. It is just dictatorship.

[Clocker]

But Bush...!!!

The latest rationalization out of the Clinton camp is that Bush used private email for a lot of correspondence.

Jeb Bush. :p

Bush did use a private account, and it was always public knowledge. He was not required by Florida law to use a state account, and it seems unlikely his emails would pose national security problems.

Hillary's people also said that using her own account was within the spirit of the law, because all of her emails to and from others in the State Dept. were saved on the other end.

True, but what about emails to foreign officials asking for contributions to the Clinton Foundation? I suppose the Saudis and others have those saved on their systems. No problem.

[lamboguy]

you don't need to watch Fox News to learn about Hillary, just pick up a copy of the New York Times, they seem to be pretty relentless when it comes to her.

[Clocker]

you don't need to watch Fox News to learn about Hillary, just pick up a copy of the New York Times, they seem to be pretty relentless when it comes to her.

The liberal media is starting to gang up on the Clintons.

Washington Post: "Hillary Clinton is yet again her own worst enemy"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clinton-is-yet-again-her-own-worst-enemy/2015/03/03/02bc9c7c-c1cb-11e4-9ec2-b418f57a4a99_story.html

National Journal: "Maybe Hillary Clinton Should Retire Her White House Dreams"

http://www.nationaljournal.com/twenty-sixteen/maybe-hillary-clinton-should-retire-her-white-house-dreams-20150303

[HUSKER55]

Hillary retires to go home to Bill and his consorts..... :lol:

[fast4522]

That will kill him. :eek:

[Clocker]

Hillary retires to go home to Bill and his consorts..... :lol:

They will both be out on the lecture circuits, pulling in 6 figure speaker fees, running into each other every couple of months at a Dem fund raiser.

[JustRalph]

This is just poor judgement and blatant stupidity

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/hillary-clinton-private-e-mail-account-897531

Look at what "Sid" was sending ........

[rastajenk]

Yeah, but what difference at this point does it make? :jump:

[mostpost]

But Bush...!!!

The latest rationalization out of the Clinton camp is that Bush used private email for a lot of correspondence.

Jeb Bush. :p

Bush did use a private account, and it was always public knowledge. He was not required by Florida law to use a state account, and it seems unlikely his emails would pose national security problems.

Hillary's people also said that using her own account was within the spirit of the law, because all of her emails to and from others in the State Dept. were saved on the other end.

True, but what about emails to foreign officials asking for contributions to the Clinton Foundation? I suppose the Saudis and others have those saved on their systems. No problem.
Do you have any proof of any sort that Hillary Clinton solicited contributions to the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State? Or is that something which just popped into your empty head? Hillary Clinton was not involved in the Clinton foundation until after she resigned as Secretary of State.

The Clinton Foundation does a lot of good throughout the world, helping people to help themselves. Which, of course, is why you are opposed to it.

[Tom]

Do you have any proof of any sort that Hillary Clinton solicited contributions to the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State? Or is that something which just popped into your empty head? Hillary Clinton was not involved in the Clinton foundation until after she resigned as Secretary of State.

The Clinton Foundation does a lot of good throughout the world, helping people to help themselves. Which, of course, is why you are opposed to it.

Do you have any proof she did not?
THAT is why she is subject to the e-mail law that she broke.
ALL official correspondence is REQUIRED to be available.

Are you that blind? :lol:

[Clocker]

The Clinton Foundation does a lot of good throughout the world, helping people to help themselves. Which, of course, is why you are opposed to it.

What an absurd statement. Where is there the slightest hint that I am opposed to the Clinton Foundation? People are free to do what they want with their money.

The issue is not what the Foundation does, it is how it is funded. It makes no difference how much good it does if the people running it are corrupt. All the good little moonbats always point out the end and use it to justify the means. Hillary was been involved with the foundation before she became Secy of State. You think she turned off that part of her mind and forgot about it while in office? The Clintons have been notorious for influence peddling for their entire careers. The lack of transparency here has to raise suspicion in the mind of any politically aware and concerned citizen. Foreign governments, particularly in the middle east, pumped millions into that foundation. You think they would do that if the Clinton name wasn't on the front door?

[DJofSD]

The Clinton Foundation does a lot of good throughout the world, helping people to help themselves.

Yet another example of the ends justifying the means.

[Clocker]

The AP reports that not only did Hillary not use government secure email, but that the system she used was her own private system, set up in her home in MY.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The computer server that transmitted and received Hillary Rodham Clinton's emails — on a private account she used exclusively for official business when she was secretary of state — traced back to an Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua, New York, according to Internet records reviewed by The Associated Press.

The highly unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official physically running her own email would have given Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, impressive control over limiting access to her message archives. It also would distinguish Clinton's secretive email practices as far more sophisticated than some politicians, including Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin, who were caught conducting official business using free email services operated by Microsoft Corp. and Yahoo Inc.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails

[JustRalph]

Duplicity!!!

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/03/03/trouble-liberals-that-attacked-republicans-for-their-email-troubles-cannot-defend-hillary-clinton/

[JustRalph]

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/03/04/clinton-private-server-listed-under-mysterious-untraceable-name/

Hills Internet guy doesn't exist?

The plot thickens.........

[Tom]

Throw her arse in prison, where it belongs.

[mostpost]

Do you have any proof she did not?
I don't have to. Clocker made the accusation. It's up to him to back it up.
THAT is why she is subject to the e-mail law that she broke.
ALL official correspondence is REQUIRED to be available.
According to CBS local, she broke no law because the law did not exist when she was Secretary of State.
President Barack Obama signed a bill last year that bans the use of private email accounts by government officials unless they retain copies of messages in their official account or forward copies to their government accounts within 20 days. The bill did not become law until more than one year after Clinton left the State Department.

Are you that blind? :lol:
I am developing a cataract in one eye, but so far my vision is pretty good. Thank you for your concern.

[davew]

A hacker in Romania going by the name Guccifer hacked many email accounts including hers. Not only did Hilliary use this server in her home, but also her personal staff.

[Clocker]

A hacker in Romania going by the name Guccifer hacked many email accounts including hers. Not only did Hilliary use this server in her home, but also her personal staff.

It's not like she accomplished anything during her time at State, so the odds are there was no useful information in any of her stuff. :rolleyes:

[TJDave]

THAT is why she is subject to the e-mail law that she broke.


Don't think so. That law went into effect after she left the State department.

[Tom]

Pretty sure it was in effect during Bush.

[Clocker]

Pretty sure it was in effect during Bush.

It looks like she didn't violate the law. She did violate federal rules about documents. Worse, she was stupid and she considered herself above the rules.

But as George Will remarked recently, the Clintons have a "complete inability to be embarrassed".

[dartman51]

What an absurd statement. Where is there the slightest hint that I am opposed to the Clinton Foundation? People are free to do what they want with their money.

The issue is not what the Foundation does, it is how it is funded. It makes no difference how much good it does if the people running it are corrupt. All the good little moonbats always point out the end and use it to justify the means. Hillary was been involved with the foundation before she became Secy of State. You think she turned off that part of her mind and forgot about it while in office? The Clintons have been notorious for influence peddling for their entire careers. The lack of transparency here has to raise suspicion in the mind of any politically aware and concerned citizen. Foreign governments, particularly in the middle east, pumped millions into that foundation. You think they would do that if the Clinton name wasn't on the front door?

Well, that would leave out MOST of the lefties here. :lol:

[TJDave]

But as George Will remarked recently, the Clintons have a "complete inability to be embarrassed".

Love it. I also believe that privately the Clintons would consider it a compliment.

[Clocker]

While it appears that Hillary didn't violate the law about using government email, there is speculation that she might have violated the law that Gen. Petraeus got nabbed on, unauthorized removal and retention of classified material.

[mostpost]

If I was Secretary of State and wished to hide something, I would use the official email servers for everything I did; except the thing I was trying to hide.
A copy of every email sent to or received by those working for the State Department is saved. That means there is a copy of every email sent from or received by Hillary Clinton.

[fast4522]

So she is not a sociopath, what other might you have done on the job?

[Greyfox]

A copy of every email sent to or received by those working for the State Department is saved. That means there is a copy of every email sent from or received by Hillary Clinton.

True. But are they all in one folder at the State Department or sprinkled throughout the cyberspace?

[Clocker]

A copy of every email sent to or received by those working for the State Department is saved. That means there is a copy of every email sent from or received by Hillary Clinton.

The first sentence is true for employees using the government system. The second sentence is true only of email correspondence between Hillary and State employees using the government system. It is not true of correspondence between Hillary and others, such as foreign officials.

[rastajenk]

"...such as foreign donors."


fixed... :p

[davew]

If I was Secretary of State and wished to hide something, I would use the official email servers for everything I did; except the thing I was trying to hide.
A copy of every email sent to or received by those working for the State Department is saved. That means there is a copy of every email sent from or received by Hillary Clinton.


Once again you seem misinformed, unless of course the Clinton crook was not working for the State Department - was she working for the dictator?

[Clocker]

Once again you seem misinformed, unless of course the Clinton crook was not working for the State Department - was she working for the dictator?

Do you have to ask about a Clinton? She was working for herself. Period.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mostpost
If I was Secretary of State and wished to hide something, I would use the official email servers for everything I did; except the thing I was trying to hide.
A copy of every email sent to or received by those working for the State Department is saved. That means there is a copy of every email sent from or received by Hillary Clinton.

There are no copies, except on her own server.
Which means she can get rid of ALL incriminating emails.

The rule went into effect in 2009.
Did no one at the WH ever notice the email addy on her mails???
Did she not email Barry even once?

Come on, even you are not that dense.

[Clocker]

Come on, even you are not that dense.

Someone has had a few adult beverages this evening and is feeling benign and charitable. :D

[Tom]

How is this any different from what Gen. Petraeus just pleaded guilty?

[Tom]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/05/obama-controls-clintons-fate-in-email-scandal/

“Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps, we know about the secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts…It is a stunning record of secrecy and corruption, of cronyism run amok. It is everything our founders were afraid of, everything our Constitution was designed to prevent.” – Hillary Clinton in a 2007 jeremiad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnndelQs3Us&t=525) against the Bush administration.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[davew]

How is this any different from what Gen. Petraeus just pleaded guilty?


Petraeus had secrets that a biographer had access to read at his home.

Clinton has all of her emails on her server at her home, and now she must have assistants or aides reading all of them, to decide if they are harmless enough to release to Congress and State Department.

The only difference I see is the number of people seeing the possible top secret material and who they were working for.

I heard the penalty for each 'secret document' held in unsecure fashion is up to 1 year jail time and $100,000. Also the inability to ever hold elected office.

[Clocker]

The administration says they were not aware that Hillary was not using the government email system until it recently became public knowledge. :rolleyes:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/edb516761ecf46fe8aa7f614b1edbfc6/clinton-emails-inject-obamas-administration-2016-fray

[Tom]

Some one is either lying or is the stupidest jerk alive.
How you NOT know it her personal email????

For the record, it is queenbitch@clintondynasty.hag

[woodtoo]

Hillarys' State Department FIRED Ambassador to Kenya Scott Gration

in 2011, for setting up a private e-mail system,very similar to what Hillary

did. But you must be a sexist to suggest otherwise. The garbage is piling up

on her stoop.Thats why she is hiding away lately, hoping it will just blow away.

[JustRalph]

Some one is either lying or is the stupidest jerk alive.
How you NOT know it her personal email????

For the record, it is queenbitch@clintondynasty.hag

banghazi_momma@gmail.com

pantsuit1@gmail.com

co_prez_93to2001@gmail.com

[ArlJim78]

It just keeps getting better.

Fox News has exclusively obtained an internal 2011 State Department cable that shows Secretary of State Clinton’s office told employees not to use personal email for security reasons, while at the same time, HRC conducted all government business on a private account. Sent to Diplomatic and Consular Staff in June 2011, the unclassified cable, with Clinton’s electronic signature, makes clear to “avoid conducting official Department from your personal e-mail accounts” and employees should not “auto-forward Department email to personal email accounts which is prohibited by Department policy.”


http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2015/03/05/just-got-this-document-from-fncs-catherine-herridge-about-secretary-clinton-and-personal-emails/

[Clocker]

According to Politico, the State Dept. has had a written rule since 2005 forbidding use of personal email accounts for official business.

The policy, detailed in a manual for agency employees, adds clarity to an issue at the center of a growing controversy over Clinton’s reliance on a private email account. Aides to Clinton, as well as State Department officials, have suggested that she did nothing inappropriate because of fuzzy guidelines and lack of specific rules on when and how official documents had to be preserved during her years as secretary.

But the 2005 policy was described as one of several “clear cut” directives the agency’s own inspector general relied on to criticize the conduct of a U.S. ambassador who in 2012 was faulted for using email outside of the department’s official system.

“It is the Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized [Automated Information System], which has the proper level of security control to provide nonrepudiation, authentication and encryption, to ensure confidentiality, integrity, and availability of the resident information,” the Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual states.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/state-department-email-rule-hillary-clinton-115804.html#ixzz3TYiPhXe7

[Clocker]

In 2007, Hillary said that the Bush administration was shredding the Constitution with things like secret email accounts.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/03/flashback-hillary-attacks-bush-officials-for-secret-email-accounts-video/

[Clocker]

Hillary turned over some 55,000 pages emails from her private account, hdr22@clintonemail.com, out of some unknown larger number. She now urges the State Dept. to release them to the public, knowing that it will take weeks, if not months, to determine which can and can't be released. Hillary and her staff now refer any questions to State.

Meanwhile, Fox News (and we all know how they lie) reports that a hacker has found the existence of many more email addresses at that domain.

The source says it appears Clinton established multiple email addresses, including hdr@clintonemail.com, hdr18@clintonemail.com, hdr19@clintonemail.com, hdr20@clintonemail.com, and hrd21@clintonemail.com.

Other email addresses include h.clinton@clintonemail.com, Hillary@clintonemail.com, contact@clintonemail.com, and mau_suit@clintonemail.com.

It’s not clear whether Clinton used any or all of these email addresses. It’s also unclear whether her aides used them.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/05/hacker-hillary-clinton-created-multiple-email-addresses-private-server

[DJofSD]

Hillary turned over some 55,000 pages emails from her private account, hdr22@clintonemail.com, out of some unknown larger number. She now urges the State Dept. to release them to the public, knowing that it will take weeks, if not months, to determine which can and can't be released. Hillary and her staff now refer any questions to State.

Meanwhile, Fox News (and we all know how they lie) reports that a hacker has found the existence of many more email addresses at that domain.



http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/05/hacker-hillary-clinton-created-multiple-email-addresses-private-server
They're all going to the same domain -- what difference does it make?

[davew]

They're all going to the same domain -- what difference does it make?

The could be assistants and/or employees, or kid, or husbands girlfriends.

How many email addresses at @gmail.com ?

[Clocker]

They're all going to the same domain -- what difference does it make?

Is that a Hillary difference, or a reality difference?

The difference is that she has not admitted the existence or use of those other addresses, and has implied, if not asserted, that she used only the hdr22 address for official business. Does anyone want Hillary to be the final arbiter of what was or was not official and relevant business?

[DJofSD]

Is that a Hillary difference, or a reality difference?

The difference is that she has not admitted the existence or use of those other addresses, and has implied, if not asserted, that she used only the hdr22 address for official business. Does anyone want Hillary to be the final arbiter of what was or was not official and relevant business?
If the server is yours, whomever has admin authority has access to ALL of the emails, regardless of the user/account name.

All of the people using that domain do not necessarily work for the Department of State, however, all of those employed by the Federal government working in the State Department are required to use email accounts that are a part of a state.gov domain.

[JustRalph]

They're all going to the same domain -- what difference does it make?

Maybe......

We also don't know the filters and rules setup on the server. They could be forwarded, spoofed replies, or instantly printed (on a printer anywhere in the world) and deleted. There are a million options if you control the server.

Not to mention they can be accessed by anyone with admin access.

Try this scenario

Hillary writes an email to "someone" and prior to hitting send she saves the email as a draft. It goes in her draft folder

" Someone" in another city logs into the server and opens that email as if he is Hillary and reads it, responds within the email, doesn't send it, saves it still as a draft. Hillary then logs in and reads the reply built into the email. Then deletes the draft. Guess what.....said email never really was communicated across the Internet etc. it never existed. How do you find that one unless you have access to the server, physically. How about you just open that server up and change hard drives every month or two? Toss the hard drive in the trash or the local lake? A million possibilities exist

We won't even get into using multiple email data files that can be transferred via ftp or some other protocol and opened and read anywhere. Btw, this can be automated very easily

[DJofSD]

Maybe......

We also don't know the filters and rules setup on the server. They could be forwarded, spoofed replies, or instantly printed (on a printer anywhere in the world) and deleted. There are a million options if you control the server.

Not to mention they can be accessed by anyone with admin access.

Try this scenario

Hillary writes an email to "someone" and prior to hitting send she saves the email as a draft. It goes in her draft folder

" Someone" in another city logs into the server and opens that email as if he is Hillary and reads it, responds within the email, doesn't send it, saves it still as a draft. Hillary then logs in and reads the reply built into the email. Then deletes the draft. Guess what.....said email never really was communicated across the Internet etc. it never existed. How do you find that one unless you have access to the server, physically. How about you just open that server up and change hard drives every month or two? Toss the hard drive in the trash or the local lake? A million possibilities exist

We won't even get into using multiple email data files that can be transferred via ftp or some other protocol and opened and read anywhere. Btw, this can be automated very easily
Part of what is always missing in the instances of the general press covering things like the current Hillary email issue and the IRS emails is the lack of salient technical details that would make it easier to decide what are the different controls -- what can and can not be done, where copies or drafts reside, etc.

In general, if the software is using POP, the draft will reside on the device being used to create/send the email, IMAP, such as Gmail, a draft copy is on the server.

[Clocker]

The could be assistants and/or employees, or kid, or husbands girlfriends.


There were other addresses under other names. The point is that Hillary used hdr22, and that others such as hdr19, hdr20, etc., were most likely also hers.

Chelsea Clinton was given one, but under a pseudonym, Diane Reynolds, which she frequently used when she checked into hotels. Huma Abedin, Mrs. Clinton’s longtime aide and surrogate daughter, was also given a coveted clintonemail.com address.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/politics/membership-in-clintons-email-domain-is-remembered-as-a-mark-of-status.html

[Clocker]

In general, if the software is using POP, the draft will reside on the device being used to create/send the email, IMAP, such as Gmail, a draft copy is on the server.

Exactly. The point being that the server in question is in her house. That is to say, one of her houses.

[DJofSD]

Exactly. The point being that the server in question is in her house. That is to say, one of her houses.
Right.

Being a nerd, I'd like to know both the hardware, the OS and what other software was being used for not only the server side but the client side too. Windows, *NIX include OS X, something else? What about back ups? Were there any off-site storage of back ups or was a cloud storage arrangement in place? And, who decided upon email and security policies.

That's just a start.

[Tom]

Her house of cards.


But, if she gets past this and becomes POTUS, imagine what her SS name might be....

pantsuit#1
the bitch's britches
Bill'skilljoy

[Clocker]

Being a nerd, I'd like to know both the hardware, the OS and what other software was being used for not only the server side but the client side too. Windows, *NIX include OS X, something else? What about back ups? Were there any off-site storage of back ups or was a cloud storage arrangement in place? And, who decided upon email and security policies.

That's just a start.


Here's a start:

http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042#

[DJofSD]

Here's a start:

http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042#
Thanks.

Interesting the author homes in on certificates which have been the topic de jour.

[Clocker]

The White House has recalibrated the president's statement that he learned about Hillary's email system when he read about it in the media.

The story now is that Obama did exchange some unknown number of emails with Hillary at her private address, but he didn't know how large a problem it was. Or care, apparently.

“Yes, he was aware of her email address. He traded emails with her,” Earnest said. “But he was not aware of her personal email server or that she was using it exclusively for all her business.”

http://time.com/3738386/obama-hillary-emails/

[Tom]

He didn't know about it after he knew about it.

[Clocker]

Hillary gave a press conference today, explaining why she used her own email system. It was because if she used her system for personal emails and the State Dept. system for government business, she would have to carry two phones or other devices, and apparently that was beyond her capability. Or that of whichever flunky carries her stuff. I have heard rumors of some newfangled phones that can access two different email systems, but I guess they don't have those in Washington yet.

She then said that she had already given all of her work related emails to the State Dept. And she seems to have said that she deleted all of her personal emails, but then said that the government would not be allowed access to her server because its contents were private.

But hey, what difference does it make.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2988099/Hillary-Clinton-finally-address-email-controversy-today-reports-say-DAYS-silence.html

[JustRalph]

She done ****ed up. Should have kept her mouth shut

[ArlJim78]

She said the personal stuff was emails to Bill.
Bill told the WSJ that he has sent only two emails in his life.

[Clocker]

Some people who worked at the State Dept. say that she used her own system because she and her minions didn't trust the career people at State.

State Department staffers viewed Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email account as a symptom of a deeper divide — and distrust — between her tight inner circle and the professional bureaucracy she led, two former staffers told BuzzFeed News.

Some think the fact that she used the personal account, and went to extra lengths like setting up her own email server, is a symbol of mistrust between her and the career State Department officials.

“They never trusted anybody” at State, one former State Department official said of Clinton and her coterie. The former official said that everyone in the State Department press office at the time was familiar with the practice and found it “strange.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/emails-show-divide-between-clinton-insiders-and-state-depart?utm_term=.ejYdOJaOW#.whN5neYO0q

[Clocker]

She said the personal stuff was emails to Bill.
Bill told the WSJ that he has sent only two emails in his life.

Bill knows better than to put anything in writing, especially where it can be leaked or hacked. Got to preserve deniability. :p

[ArlJim78]

this tech savvy woman who thought you could only have one email address per device says not to worry that the server is from when Bill was in office, it is secure, and that she deleted half the emails but they were only personal, nothing confidential.

the Clintons always had a noticeable stench about them.

[Clocker]

the server is from when Bill was in office, it is secure, and that she deleted half the emails but they were only personal, nothing confidential.



Yeah, that sounds like the right time frame. :rolleyes:

Internet business records show that the domain clintonemail.com was registered Jan. 15, 2009 -- a week before she was sworn in as secretary of state. The domain was registered to Justin Cooper, a longtime adviser to former President Bill Clinton. Sec. Clinton would go on to use the email, hdr22@clintonemail.com.

And the server appears to be in their house in Chappaqua, which is where they lived after Bill left office.

the Clintons always had a noticeable stench about them.

A smell like fire and brimstone?

[reckless]

Why should anyone believe a single word she says? She's a serial failure and congenital liar. Plus she's a criminal, but that's for another day.

At least Hillary's e-mail problems stopped interest in the following real crimes:

(1)The Clinton's foreign campaign contribution shakedown crime from gaining more steam, and (2) it distracted from Bill's sex romps with underaged young girls on private jets owned by a convicted child molester.

[horses4courses]

Enjoying watching conservatives do what they do.
Top of the list is to fixate on the POTUS and Hillary.
Those two grab their attention way more than anything else.

[JustRalph]

These guys must practice denials together

Check out the speech pattern

https://vine.co/v/O9uT3h23zFI

[ArlJim78]

This convenience line is baloney (http://twitchy.com/2015/03/10/this-convenience-line-is-baloney-armed-services-committee-spokesman-posts-epic-hillary-takedown/)

[JustRalph]

http://twitchy.com/2015/03/10/and-away-we-go-looks-like-lil-hillary-got-herself-caught-in-a-big-ol-lie-video/

She can't keep her lies straight

[davew]

http://twitchy.com/2015/03/10/and-away-we-go-looks-like-lil-hillary-got-herself-caught-in-a-big-ol-lie-video/

She can't keep her lies straight


For Democrats, that is not a lie - it is adjusting the speech to the audience.

[PaceAdvantage]

Enjoying watching conservatives do what they do.
Top of the list is to fixate on the POTUS and Hillary.
Those two grab their attention way more than anything else.Well looky dare...ya'll can blame dis hole ding on racism and dat dare wars on womens, all at dat dare same times I reckon....now wheres did I puts mys overalls, straw hat and pitchfork? And will someone turn on dat dare FOX NEWS pronto?!?!?!?!

-Signed "The Hayseed Down South"

[Clocker]

The only racism I see around here is the slimy attacks on Ben Carson. By liberals, of course, because liberals are the true racists, believing that blacks can't get along without the elite guidance and protection of Big Brother in Washington.

And the bigger joke is that liberals see Hillary as a role model and champion for women. She is where she is solely and entirely because she married Bill Clinton and put up with his endless infidelity and scandals because it was worth it to her to ride his coat tails to fame and power. She has accomplished nothing on her own. That helps women's rights? That's what little girls should look up to?

[iceknight]

The only racism I see around here is the slimy attacks on Ben Carson. By liberals, of course, because liberals are the true racists, believing that blacks can't get along without the elite guidance and protection of Big Brother in Washington.

And the bigger joke is that liberals see Hillary as a role model and champion for women. She is where she is solely and entirely because she married Bill Clinton and put up with his endless infidelity and scandals because it was worth it to her to ride his coat tails to fame and power. She has accomplished nothing on her own. That helps women's rights? That's what little girls should look up to? Agree with this. Hillary Clinton has been lying since before her Senator days on many many issues and unfortunately now things are becoming dynastic again with the whole Clinton vs Bush chatter.

[Clocker]

Hillary claims the use of a private email server is no problem because all government business was saved at the government end of the exchange of emails.

Not necessarily, says the State Dept.

But the State Department disclosed on Friday that until last month it had no way of routinely preserving senior officials’ emails. Instead, the department relied on individual employees to decide if certain emails should be considered public records, and if so, to move them onto a special record-keeping sever, or print them out and manually file them for preservation.

This patchwork system, reflecting a broader confusion and slowness throughout the government as federal agencies struggle to catch up with the digital age, raises the possibility that some emails from Mrs. Clinton to other State Department officials may have been lost altogether.

In a briefing with reporters on Friday, Jen Psaki, a spokeswoman for the State Department, acknowledged that the system in place under Mrs. Clinton was “imperfect,” and said the department was still trying to establish a comprehensive document retention program.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/us/some-emails-sent-by-clinton-could-be-lost.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

[davew]

Agree with this. Hillary Clinton has been lying since before her Senator days on many many issues and unfortunately now things are becoming dynastic again with the whole Clinton vs Bush chatter.

You can go back to when she was with the group trying to impeach Nixon - she got fired and the congressman she was working with said she should be disbarred.

[JustRalph]

You can go back to when she was with the group trying to impeach Nixon - she got fired and the congressman she was working with said she should be disbarred.

he has backtracked on that assertion. Funny enough he started backtracking right after Bill Clinton became president

[Tom]

She and Bill have told more lies than anyone can count.
Their whole lives have one huge deception.
They deserve each other, but we deserve neither.

I trust Putin more than I do Hillary.
And the Mullahs, and Kim Dung Pyle......

[Clocker]

I love cheap political drama, and it looks like there is more to come. Ed Klein at the NY Post says that Valerie Jarrett is behind the Hillary email story, and that Bill Clinton is furious about it.

“My contacts and friends in newspapers and TV tell me that they’ve been contacted by the White House and offered all kinds of negative stories about us,” one of Bill’s friends quotes him as saying. “The Obamas are behind the e-mail story, and they’re spreading rumors that I’ve been with women, that Hillary promoted people at the State Department who’d done favors for our foundation, that John Kerry had to clean up diplomatic messes Hillary left behind.”

Then, according to this source, Bill added: “The Obamas are out to get us any way they can.”

...
Jarrett was said to be livid that most Democrats running for election refused to be seen campaigning with the president. She blamed the Clintons for marginalizing the president and for trying to wrestle control of the Democratic Party away from Obama.

And she vowed payback.



http://nypost.com/2015/03/14/obama-adviser-behind-leak-of-hillary-clintons-e-mail-scandal/

[Clocker]

The recent Time Magazine cover story about Hillary was titled: "The Clinton Way: They write their own rules. Will it work this time?" Probably.

Time describes the details on the email submission process. Hillary had about 62,000 emails on the server. About 30,000 of those were deemed relevant by Her Highness and were printed out (about 55,000 pages) and submitted to the State Dept. The rest may or may not have been deleted. As a minor quibble, government rules require electronic files, not hard copies.

The "relevant" emails were determined by a word search, first looking for those to or from a ".gov" address, and then by a few other criteria. Apparently none of the emails were reviewed for actual content, whether submitted or not.

And they lived happily ever after.

http://time.com/3740357/hillary-clinton-emails-search/

[ArlJim78]

yswuleqFIGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yswuleqFIGk

[Clocker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yswuleqFIGk

Aww, aren't they cute? True soul mates, sticking together through thick and thin. :p

[fast4522]

The baggage is getting too heavy, no matter how the media portrays her the average voter just might not want to see her face on the television for another four years.

[JustRalph]

The baggage is getting too heavy, no matter how the media portrays her the average voter just might not want to see her face on the television for another four years.

Wrong. This is the party that stands behind child molesters and men who kill women in DUI accidents. It will take more than an email scandal to stop Hill.

I would say it will take some more baggage. It's possible the party could turn. But it will take more

[NJ Stinks]

I love cheap political drama, and it looks like there is more to come. Ed Klein at the NY Post says that Valerie Jarrett is behind the Hillary email story, and that Bill Clinton is furious about it.




http://nypost.com/2015/03/14/obama-adviser-behind-leak-of-hillary-clintons-e-mail-scandal/

That you fell for this piece of garbage is pathetic. Not one "source" in this news story is named.

It's the NY Post doing it's impersonation of a "newspaper". :rolleyes:

[rastajenk]

Kinda like the lib tradition of "fake but accurate?" ;)

[reckless]

That you fell for this piece of garbage is pathetic. Not one "source" in this news story is named.

It's the NY Post doing it's impersonation of a "newspaper". :rolleyes:

I am surprised by the vitriol, NJ Stinks, even coming from you.

Klein has written a bunch of books and is an expert on the Clinton Crime Family, as you well know.

I could understand the serial fawning by well-seasoned old lefties for Hillary but what Ed Klein has written now and in the past is true.

We have heard from liberals ad nauseum about how horrible and unfair Ed Klein is (and by their twisted (il)logic that extends to Fox News, Rush, the New York Post, et al) but this fact still remains:

No one yet has ever factually disputed nor denied what Ed Klein has ever written about both the Clintons and Obamas.

[Clocker]

That you fell for this piece of garbage is pathetic. Not one "source" in this news story is named.


Maybe that's why it is presented as hearsay from anonymous sources, ya think?

I didn't "fall for it". I accepted it as plausible until proven otherwise because it is the kind of crap Obama's people have been pulling ever since he first got into politics. It's the Chicago way.

[NJ Stinks]

I don't know Klein from twine. My point is that the Obama Administration isn't guilty until proven innocent based on Klein's unknown sources. At the bare minimum, the Obama Administration and the reader should know the identity of the sources who claim the White House is out to get Hillary.

And I'll repeat myself again here with this. I don't want Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic nominee in 2016. I think she is too old for starters. Aside from that, I'm not a fan and never have been. Hillary only looks satisfactory to me when compared to having a Republican in the White House.

[JustRalph]

Klein's a hack.

Always has been.

[fast4522]

Wrong. This is the party that stands behind child molesters and men who kill women in DUI accidents. It will take more than an email scandal to stop Hill.

I would say it will take some more baggage. It's possible the party could turn. But it will take more

Now hold on there big guy, I never said Democrat's are not Weiner lovers and deviant generally speaking. You and I have both been wrong at different points in time, we will just have to see who says who was right on that one. Me thinks there are many life long Democrat's that think her broom has way too many miles on it, there is room for both of us to be right on this one.

shalom

[JustRalph]

ok

[DJofSD]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ab029d7c625149348143a51ff61175c6/us-sets-new-record-denying-censoring-government-files

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration set a new record again for more often than ever censoring government files or outright denying access to them last year under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act, according to a new analysis of federal data by The Associated Press.

Hopefully, this is not a spoofed story.

[Tom]

It is not.
The law means nothing to this slug.

[dartman51]

It is not.
The law means nothing to this slug.


Calling this a$$wipe a slug, is defamation of slugs everywhere. :rolleyes:

[DJofSD]

Calling this a$$wipe a slug, is defamation of slugs everywhere. :rolleyes:
But the UC Santa Cruz students are down with it.

[Tom]

Slugs of Earth, I apologize.

[JustRalph]

Maybe......

We also don't know the filters and rules setup on the server. They could be forwarded, spoofed replies,

or instantly printed (on a printer anywhere in the world) and deleted. There are a million options if you control the server.

Not to mention they can be accessed by anyone with admin access.

Try this scenario

Hillary writes an email to "someone" and prior to hitting send she saves the email as a draft. It goes in her draft folder

" Someone" in another city logs into the server and opens that email as if he is Hillary and reads it, responds within the email, doesn't send it, saves it still as a draft. Hillary then logs in and reads the reply built into the email. Then deletes the draft. Guess what.....said email never really was communicated across the Internet etc. it never existed. How do you find that one unless you have access to the server, physically. How about you just open that server up and change hard drives every month or two? Toss the hard drive in the trash or the local lake? A million possibilities exist

We won't even get into using multiple email data files that can be transferred via ftp or some other protocol and opened and read anywhere. Btw, this can be automated very easily

Looks like they didn't protect against spoofing, as I listed earlier
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-18/hillary-clinton-s-e-mail-was-vulnerable-to-spoofing-

It's a basic thing......read the article for info

[Clocker]

Freedom Watch has filed a racketeering lawsuit against Bill and Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation. The charge is that Hillary used her private emails for influence peddling in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation.

The civil suit alleges the Clintons “systematically and continuously ... conducted a corrupt enterprise” over more than 10 years, allegedly in violation of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization (RICO) Act, which deals with abuse and misuse of organizations or businesses.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/236893-clinton-hit-with-racketeering-lawsuit-over-emails

[DJofSD]

Well, good luck with that.

Some one can school me on the finer points of the law but how much chance does an institution like Freedom Watch have seeing RICO charges stick? Why not an district attorney's office?

[Clocker]

Well, good luck with that.

Some one can school me on the finer points of the law but how much chance does an institution like Freedom Watch have seeing RICO charges stick? Why not an district attorney's office?

It is a civil suit, not criminal. I'd guess they would be happy with getting the emails released and putting another scandal on the Clinton scorecard.

[Clocker]

Get ready folks. The latest from Team Clinton is an all-time show stopper.

Hillary Clinton's lawyer has informed a congressional committee that no copies of any emails sent during her term as Sec State remain on her email server. After a unilateral decision as to which emails were relevant, and having sent printed copies of those emails to the State Dept., the server settings were changed to save only emails sent or received within the last 60 days.

“Thus, there are no hdr22@clintonmail.com emails from Secretary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state on the server for any review, even if such review were appropriate or legally authorized,” Mr. Kendall said.

The House Select Committee on Benghazi had subpoenaed the server last week, asking Mrs. Clinton to hand it over to a third party so it could determine which emails were personal and which were government records.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us/politics/no-copies-of-hillary-clinton-emails-on-server-lawyer-says.html

[DJofSD]

Get ready folks. The latest from Team Clinton is an all-time show stopper.

Hillary Clinton's lawyer has informed a congressional committee that no copies of any emails sent during her term as Sec State remain on her email server. After a unilateral decision as to which emails were relevant, and having sent printed copies of those emails to the State Dept., the server settings were changed to save only emails sent or received within the last 60 days.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us/politics/no-copies-of-hillary-clinton-emails-on-server-lawyer-says.html
See the thread I just started: Private Emails Reveal Ex-Clinton Aide’s Secret Spy Network. It makes lies of such statements and positions.

[PaceAdvantage]

Oh well...I guess she's clean as a whistle then...no proof of anything wrong... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's how the media will play it anyway...and if you disagree, you're a misogynist and are waging your own personal "war on women."

Man, these lefties have all the bases covered. I envy them.

Cue mostpost to tell me how I'm an idiot.

[ArlJim78]

her emails were under subpoena, she had them destroyed.
How is that not a crime?

[JustRalph]

her emails were under subpoena, she had them destroyed.
How is that not a crime?

The Attorney General would have to act.

Or a U.S. Attorney.......

Never going to happen

[ArlJim78]

The Attorney General would have to act.

Or a U.S. Attorney.......

Never going to happen
Of course it won't happen, but does that mean its not a crime? that's what I'm asking. How is that not a crime, what rationale is given for letting her skate?

Maybe I'm old fashioned thinking that anyone with a D after their name should ever be accountable for anything.

[JustRalph]

The plot thickens

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/18/newly-released-documents-indicate-key-hillary-clinton-claim-on-emails-was-not-true/

[davew]

The plot thickens

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/18/newly-released-documents-indicate-key-hillary-clinton-claim-on-emails-was-not-true/


surely what they meant was one email address from each location and device that she had access to. there is no plot for the next pres elect

[fast4522]

The plot thickens

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/05/18/newly-released-documents-indicate-key-hillary-clinton-claim-on-emails-was-not-true/

Can a former sectary of state be impeached, to send to the Senate for conviction JR?

[JustRalph]

Can a former sectary of state be impeached, to send to the Senate for conviction JR?

She holds no office to be impeached out of.

She has obviously broken laws, numerous government regulations but without a cooperative Attorney General, nothing will be done.

*In video today I noticed really heavy secret service protection. More than I've ever seen around her. I find that very interesting.......