Desormeaux

[Curlin]

What a chump. If I ever bet a horse he's on, that horse better be much the best. Today's race 4 he simply gave up. I know, I know. It's Kent. But damn it.

[cj]

If I were a steward, I'd push to ban him for good for that total non effort after getting "fouled". He is a wart on the game.

[Shemp Howard]

If I were a steward, I'd push to ban him for good for that total non effort after getting "fouled". He is a wart on the game.

I'll drink to that.

[Stillriledup]

I saw this title and thought it had to do with his ride on the chalk in the first race, just la de dah throw a few crosses and stop riding in the lane once you're beat.

It never ends with this guy, he's not a friend of the bettor and really not a friend of bettors who need him to hang on for minor board spots once beaten.

[Tom]

The only worse than his riding is his mouth.
God, I can't take 10 seconds of any interview with that guy.

[cj]

I saw this title and thought it had to do with his ride on the chalk in the first race, just la de dah throw a few crosses and stop riding in the lane once you're beat.

It never ends with this guy, he's not a friend of the bettor and really not a friend of bettors who need him to hang on for minor board spots once beaten.

That was also not pretty.

[Stillriledup]

What a chump. If I ever bet a horse he's on, that horse better be much the best. Today's race 4 he simply gave up. I know, I know. It's Kent. But damn it.

2 years ago to the day :lol:

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101407&highlight=kent+desormeaux

[ReplayRandall]

If I were a steward, I'd push to ban him for good for that total non effort after getting "fouled". He is a wart on the game.
At least he's a "Hall-0f-Fame" wart.. :cool:

[ReplayRandall]

I saw this title and thought it had to do with his ride on the chalk in the first race, just la de dah throw a few crosses and stop riding in the lane once you're beat.

It never ends with this guy, he's not a friend of the bettor and really not a friend of bettors who need him to hang on for minor board spots once beaten.
Easiest jock to bet in exotics, put him on top and nowhere else.....I save a lot of money when Kent is in a race... :cool:

[Stillriledup]

Easiest jock to bet in exotics, put him on top and nowhere else.....I save a lot of money when Kent is in a race... :cool:

Great points but tell that to the people who bet Big Brown to show in the Belmont! :lol:

[plainolebill]

To be honest, the two favorites in the MSW were from the barns of trainers who are just terrible with turf runners. When Desormeaux sent that horse I knew I was a prophet. :D

On topic, yes he is a fool.

[Curlin]

Really don't understand how he still has a job.

[Tall One]

[QUOTE=Stillriledup]I saw this title and thought it had to do with his ride on the chalk in the first race, just la de dah throw a few crosses and stop riding in the lane once you're beat. QUOTE]




This particualr "ride" cost me the pic-5 on a $24 ticket.

02/28 3:09 PM Santa Anita 1 $0.50 P5 (PWHL) 1, 3, 10 / 7 / 5, 6 / 2, 3, 7, 8 / 4, 6 $24.00 $0.00

:sleeping:

[Tall One]

thought the three. was the best horse at least on paper as well as race with Eckersley . Why? Because I bet him in that one too.. :mad: :bang: :D

[Stillriledup]

If I were a steward, I'd push to ban him for good for that total non effort after getting "fouled". He is a wart on the game.

Kent Dewartmeaux.

[Relwob Owner]

Kent Dewartmeaux.


Why do owners and trainers still ride him? I guess name value and the thought that when he does decided to try, he has(or maybe had) talent. Amazing given all the riders out there who will actually try that he still gets mounts

[Stillriledup]

Why do owners and trainers still ride him? I guess name value and the thought that when he does decided to try, he has(or maybe had) talent. Amazing given all the riders out there who will actually try that he still gets mounts

A lot of the riding choices are influenced by trainers, jocks agents and the race office, so he has that "buffer" to keep getting mounts.

Also, a lot of owners don't even know on a minute by minute basis when and where they will be entered....the trainer can tell the owner that they have a couple options in the book and before you know it, you're entered somewhere with Kent riding.

Also, not using Kent would require owners to actually watch the races on a day to day basis and watch them like serious horseplayers watch them and be able to form an intelligent opinion that Kent is a jock you specifically don't want to use.....a lot of owners aren't up to speed on the day to day doings...there's a lot of way Kent can get mounts.

I would never use him on an overnight horse....but if it was a very large pursed race and it was between him and someone who has lesser talent, i would lean to Kent in the bigger race on the oft chance he might be in the mood to try hard that day.

[Curlin]

I would never use him on an overnight horse....but if it was a very large pursed race and it was between him and someone who has lesser talent, i would lean to Kent in the bigger race on the oft chance he might be in the mood to try hard that day.

**** that. I'd lose with van dyke before Kent any day.

[Relwob Owner]

A lot of the riding choices are influenced by trainers, jocks agents and the race office, so he has that "buffer" to keep getting mounts.

Also, a lot of owners don't even know on a minute by minute basis when and where they will be entered....the trainer can tell the owner that they have a couple options in the book and before you know it, you're entered somewhere with Kent riding.

Also, not using Kent would require owners to actually watch the races on a day to day basis and watch them like serious horseplayers watch them and be able to form an intelligent opinion that Kent is a jock you specifically don't want to use.....a lot of owners aren't up to speed on the day to day doings...there's a lot of way Kent can get mounts.

I would never use him on an overnight horse....but if it was a very large pursed race and it was between him and someone who has lesser talent, i would lean to Kent in the bigger race on the oft chance he might be in the mood to try hard that day.


Having owned a lot of horses, I am familiar with the process and can't understand why trainers still use him, assuming you are on target about the owners not being involved. As far as a big race, there are more than enough jocks out there that have at least an equal amount of talent so it doesn't make sense that owners or trainers use him. I don't know anyone in their right mind who would use a jock "on the oft chance he might be in the mood to try hard"

[Relwob Owner]

**** that. I'd lose with van dyke before Kent any day.

Without a doubt

[PhantomOnTour]

At the current Santa Anita meet Desormeaux is tied for 2nd in win %, he is 3rd in overall wins and is 4th in in the money %...only Bejarano, Smith and some guy named Valdez with a mere 38 mounts have a higher percentage of in the money finishes.

And he does this without even trying half the time, eh?
Amazing !

[Relwob Owner]

At the current Santa Anita meet Desormeaux is tied for 2nd in win %, he is 3rd in overall wins and is 4th in in the money %...only Bejarano, Smith and some guy named Valdez with a mere 38 mounts have a higher percentage of in the money finishes.

And he does this without even trying half the time, eh?
Amazing !


His stats are solid right now, thats true. That still doesn't change some of the atrocious things he has done on the track in terms of not trying at various points in races. For that reason, I wouldn't touch him and am surprised people do.

[Stillriledup]

At the current Santa Anita meet Desormeaux is tied for 2nd in win %, he is 3rd in overall wins and is 4th in in the money %...only Bejarano, Smith and some guy named Valdez with a mere 38 mounts have a higher percentage of in the money finishes.

And he does this without even trying half the time, eh?
Amazing !

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[TucsonGreyhound]

At the current Santa Anita meet Desormeaux is tied for 2nd in win %, he is 3rd in overall wins and is 4th in in the money %...only Bejarano, Smith and some guy named Valdez with a mere 38 mounts have a higher percentage of in the money finishes.

And he does this without even trying half the time, eh?
Amazing !

Do you "trust" the standings at Santa Anita...they increase the handle with more "blind money" bet on Desormeaux....I had an Exacta with Kent on a 9-1 "bomb" underneath a 2-1 horse that only "paid" $32...it shoulda been $300 since the 2nd horse deserved to be "taken down"...took them three minutes to post the prices so who "knows" how many people snuck in late bets.

Sincerely,
SRU

[Stillriledup]

Do you "trust" the standings at Santa Anita...they increase the handle with more "blind money" bet on Desormeaux....I had an Exacta with Kent on a 9-1 "bomb" underneath a 2-1 horse that only "paid" $32...it shoulda been $300 since the 2nd horse deserved to be "taken down"...took them three minutes to post the prices so who "knows" how many people snuck in late bets.

Sincerely,
SRU

Wow.

After 43 posts i see i've turned you into a huge SRU Fan! :D

[JustRalph]

The saddest thing is nowadays 9-1 is a bomb :bang:

[burnsy]

The saddest thing is nowadays 9-1 is a bomb :bang:

Ain't that the truth. With a short field it may be the longest shot on the board..... :) .

The problem is that he is very talented but seems to never get his head screwed on right. Under achievers like myself know all about this. I don't think I "grew up" until I was 45 years old. Kent seems like one of those people that will never grow up. He is still a "hot head" and lack of patience is an awful attribute for a jockey to have. Most of the "greats" are laid back guys off the track and are extremely cagey but calm when they ride. When he got arrested after a Saratoga card. It was because he could not get out of the parking lot "fast enough." The woman security guard that he accosted was my friends wife. She weighs 120 soaking wet and was sitting on the curb crying. That was ONE incident on a list of many so I'm quite sure that some trainers avoid him without saying so out loud. When you have to change "venue" like he has, there is most times a problem. You would think people get older and mature but some never do. He may be one of those guys that has to hit rock bottom or have something really bad happen before he learns his lesson.

[howardjim]

A friend of mine was a Desormeaux freak from his Maryland days. We bet Santa Anita at The Woodlands, a Kansas City, KS track where Vic Stauffer announced.

One day , Jim tells me he bet $200 win on Missionary Ridge in the featured stake only because Kent was up. I laughed and suggested booking his future bets.

Missionary Ridge paid $52 even, Jim wanted cash and was observed by some unsavory types, prompting me to ask him for a guard escort when he decided to leave.

I don't know if he got the guard, we had a falling out shortly after.

Several years later, we'd spoken 10 words in the interim, I mentioned my upcoming move to Providence, RI. Jim, a devout Christian, asked me to look him up if I ever wanted to know Jesus, missing my satire that providence meant the protective care of God or nature, what more did I need.

Before leaving, we shook hands and recalled Missionary Ridge. His parting words were, " if only that was the last horse I bet".

[davew]

He does pretty good on Texas Red

[Stillriledup]

A friend of mine was a Desormeaux freak from his Maryland days. We bet Santa Anita at The Woodlands, a Kansas City, KS track where Vic Stauffer announced.

One day , Jim tells me he bet $200 win on Missionary Ridge in the featured stake only because Kent was up. I laughed and suggested booking his future bets.

Missionary Ridge paid $52 even, Jim wanted cash and was observed by some unsavory types, prompting me to ask him for a guard escort when he decided to leave.

I don't know if he got the guard, we had a falling out shortly after.

Several years later, we'd spoken 10 words in the interim, I mentioned my upcoming move to Providence, RI. Jim, a devout Christian, asked me to look him up if I ever wanted to know Jesus, missing my satire that providence meant the protective care of God or nature, what more did I need.

Before leaving, we shook hands and recalled Missionary Ridge. His parting words were, " if only that was the last horse I bet".

Jim is close pals w Jesus, you would think Jesus would toss him a winner from time to time. :D

[Tall One]

He does pretty good on Texas Red



But terrible on these small samplings this past week-end. He got me on Blue Law, but I agree with Curlin, **** that, I'll put my money with Drayden or Agapito before him. :bang:


Blue Law*--last
Ideal--last
Light the City--2nd
Dannette*--6th
Head South*--2nd


*denotes beaten favorite

[Rise Over Run]

A friend of mine was a Desormeaux freak from his Maryland days. We bet Santa Anita at The Woodlands, a Kansas City, KS track where Vic Stauffer announced.

One day , Jim tells me he bet $200 win on Missionary Ridge in the featured stake only because Kent was up. I laughed and suggested booking his future bets.

Missionary Ridge paid $52 even, Jim wanted cash and was observed by some unsavory types, prompting me to ask him for a guard escort when he decided to leave.

I don't know if he got the guard, we had a falling out shortly after.

Several years later, we'd spoken 10 words in the interim, I mentioned my upcoming move to Providence, RI. Jim, a devout Christian, asked me to look him up if I ever wanted to know Jesus, missing my satire that providence meant the protective care of God or nature, what more did I need.

Before leaving, we shook hands and recalled Missionary Ridge. His parting words were, " if only that was the last horse I bet".
Great story, thanks for posting. A few minor corrections. The race was the 1992 Pacific Classic at Del Mar; and the winner "only" paid $51. :liar: :liar:

[WJ47]

Kent is one of those jockeys that I never know what to do with. You don't know if he's going to be "on his game" or if he's going to fall asleep on any given day. He's inconsistent, to say the least. In Steve Davidowicz's Betting Thoroughbreds, he comments Kent is "very streaky." I agree that Kent is a wart on racing. I always think about that ride on Big Brown in the Belmont Stakes.

[pandy]

Personally, I've had a lot of luck with Kent D., especially on turf, where his patience pays off. I can't remember ever losing a bet on him when I thought he could have beaten his horse and won. But, I understand the gripes. Not with Big Brown, however. Big Brown wasn't going to run well that day no matter what Kent did and he was just trying not to kill the horse.

[1GCFAN]

Me to. I have cashed many times with him on the turf like yesterday' #10 in the 6th.

[Stillriledup]

Talamo learning from the best in Race 2. He could have been 2nd if he wanted it badly enough, wasn't really riding the hair off his horse late, just kind of eased up a bit there. Don't worry Joe, you can become Kent one day, there's plenty of time.

[molson721]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
If I were a steward, I'd push to ban him for good for that total non effort after getting "fouled". He is a wart on the game.


At least he's a "Hall-0f-Fame" wart.. :cool:
__________________
"What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?”-Abraham Lincoln



I can't stand people that feel the need to impose their political views into everything they say?

[ReplayRandall]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
If I were a steward, I'd push to ban him for good for that total non effort after getting "fouled". He is a wart on the game.


At least he's a "Hall-0f-Fame" wart.. :cool:
__________________
"What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?”-Abraham Lincoln



I can't stand people that feel the need to impose their political views into everything they say?
A quote from perhaps the greatest president of the US has you bent out of shape?.......Pathetic.

[molson721]

A quote from perhaps the greatest president of the US has you bent out of shape?.......Pathetic.

Typical liberal! Do you feel the need to come to this forum to impose your political beliefs? Was Lincoln a liberal or conservative? There have been many debates about what he was. Move to California, Illinois, New York, Massachusetts or Rhode Island to enjoy the liberal philosophy where you get taxed to death but still have lousy roads, schools, and all the other things you liberals claim the government can do to better your life! I will no longer post any political comments. I Just don't appreciate when others impose their political philosophy when they comment on this non-political message board!!!!!
Randall, tell me how great the state governments of these states I mentioned are in private messages and not in the public forums!

[ReplayRandall]

Typical liberal! Do you feel the need to come to this forum to impose your political beliefs? Was Lincoln a liberal or conservative? There have been many debates about what he was. Move to California, Illinois, New York, Massachusetts or Rhode Island to enjoy the liberal philosophy where you get taxed to death but still have lousy roads, schools, and all the other things you liberals claim the government can do to better your life! I will no longer post any political comments. I Just don't appreciate when others impose their political philosophy when they comment on this non-political message board!!!!!
Randall, tell me how great the state governments of these states I mentioned are in private messages and not in the public forums!
That's my signature.......Thank you for sharing your opinion.

[Curlin]

That escalated quickly

[Grits]

That's my signature.......Thank you for sharing your opinion.

R2, he veered far off topic, so unnecessarily, yet, you handled the outburst in supreme fashion. Cool as a summer breeze.. :ThmbUp:

[SandyW]

This forum should stick to horse racing discussions, much less animosity.

[cj]

That's my signature.......Thank you for sharing your opinion.

To be fair here, PA asks that if you are going to post in the horse racing sections that you don't use political statements in your signature.

[Appy]

Few things I dislike more than a jock who is nothing but a bug with a whip arm. Punishing a horse for giving solid effort is an exercise in beating the run out of him.
I like that Kent seems to ride with the horse's best interest foremost in mind.

[PaceAdvantage]

This is true...long-standing policy.

Signature removed.

[Tall One]

Few things I dislike more than a jock who is nothing but a bug with a whip arm. Punishing a horse for giving solid effort is an exercise in beating the run out of him.
I like that Kent seems to ride with the horse's best interest foremost in mind.



Lets see what he does on Mr Z in the LA Derby..named as rider today.

[burnsy]

I think he really likes Prospect Park and wants to ride him come big time. For all the bad mouthing, me included, the big races are usually his "A" game. Just seems like the type person with a lack of patience.....its the every day grind that I think he struggles with. When the spot light is on he usually produces. He's a really good rider that could be a great one when he's in the mood.

[Stillriledup]

There's ONE jock in the room who gets Ground Rules (rc 2 today SA) beat. Anyone else wins that race today. Great job Kent.

[Stillriledup]

There's ONE jock in the room who gets Ground Rules (rc 2 today SA) beat. Anyone else wins that race today. Great job Kent.

Great job Kent!!! (Race 4 today SA) :lol:

[no breathalyzer]

:D Great job Kent.. YOU GOT 4 OLD THREADS BUMPED TO FIRST PAGE

[Stillriledup]

:D Great job Kent.. YOU GOT 4 OLD THREADS BUMPED TO FIRST PAGE

He will be partying tonight at Jimmy Os like nothing happened :lol:

[PaceAdvantage]

Great job Kent!!! (Race 4 today SA) :lol:worthless...and you wonder why i pick on you

[Stillriledup]

worthless...and you wonder why i pick on you

I don't wonder, I know. Everyone knows. We all know.

[PaceAdvantage]

Self-awareness is the first step towards a cure...

[PaceAdvantage]

Can you bump a few more Kent threads the next time he tweets something? One isn't enough.... :lol:

[Stillriledup]

Can you bump a few more Kent threads the next time he tweets something? One isn't enough.... :lol:

Ok ok you got me. :D

[EMD4ME]

Can you bump a few more Kent threads the next time he tweets something? One isn't enough.... :lol:

But he's good for business. By bumping threads up, he made me want to click into it to see what he wrote and then MORE IMPORTANTLY I clicked on the advertisements to the right and above !!!

[Stillriledup]

But he's good for business. By bumping threads up, he made me want to click into it to see what he wrote and then MORE IMPORTANTLY I clicked on the advertisements to the right and above !!!



I click on the ads here often :ThmbUp:

#teamplaya

[no breathalyzer]

This site has advertisements?

[cj]

This site has advertisements?

Turn off ad-block and support the site!

[no breathalyzer]

honestly will do. will be the only site tho .. unless site becomes super slow.. then i will part time/ to support site

[PhantomOnTour]

Dude gets crushed when folks say he didn't ride to the wire...well,
can he also get some love when he puts 'em all to sleep and wires the First Lady at Kee and pays over $61.00 to win?

[ReplayRandall]

Dude gets crushed when folks say he didn't ride to the wire...well,
can he also get some love when he puts 'em all to sleep and wires the First Lady at Kee and pays over $61.00 to win?

That's the thing about Kent, he can win you a lot of money, or he can cost you, big time......Lifetime on Kent mounts, I'd say I'm way up..:cool:

[cj]

Dude gets crushed when folks say he didn't ride to the wire...well,
can he also get some love when he puts 'em all to sleep and wires the First Lady at Kee and pays over $61.00 to win?

Of course he can, he rode great. But one doesn't cancel out the other. He always rides hard when he thinks is going to win. He should also ride hard to the wire for any money position.

[Tom]

He is like as part time rider.

[the little guy]

Dude gets crushed when folks say he didn't ride to the wire...well,
can he also get some love when he puts 'em all to sleep and wires the First Lady at Kee and pays over $61.00 to win?

Six or seven years ago, I had a long talk with Kent one evening in Saratoga. I told him that while he is arguably one of the greatest jockeys of all time, he is likely to be remembered for not riding his horses out to the wire. It's a real shame. He is a remarkably talented rider who is his own ( and frequently horse player's ) worst enemy.

[FakeNameChanged]

I visited Santa Anita back in the mid-90's while on business. Couldn't find a form prior to race day, so I went to the track Sat. afternoon and bought the program. Being an east coaster, Kent was the only jockey I recognized. Stayed about five or six races and bet Kent on three of them. He won them all at decent prices. No complaints from me.

[Augenj]

I've seen him "ride" many times over the years. The issue of not riding out goes way back at least to 1993. In this article, he "protesteth too much".

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-05-23/sports/sp-38892_1_hollywood-park

[dansan]

I like betting him when he rides for his bro

[Augenj]

I visited Santa Anita back in the mid-90's while on business. Couldn't find a form prior to race day, so I went to the track Sat. afternoon and bought the program. Being an east coaster, Kent was the only jockey I recognized. Stayed about five or six races and bet Kent on three of them. He won them all at decent prices. No complaints from me.
He made money for me too. It seemed that he and Eddy D could do no wrong in Southern California. You just learned not to count on Kent in the verticals.

[ronsmac]

I've seen him "ride" many times over the years. The issue of not riding out goes way back at least to 1993. In this article, he "protesteth too much".

http://articles.latimes.com/1993-05-23/sports/sp-38892_1_hollywood-parkNice article. I wonder if Hollywood had to ever pay out that 500k bonus?

[Augenj]

Nice article. I wonder if Hollywood had to ever pay out that 500k bonus?
That was a long time ago. :)

[SG4]

Six or seven years ago, I had a long talk with Kent one evening in Saratoga. I told him that while he is arguably one of the greatest jockeys of all time, he is likely to be remembered for not riding his horses out to the wire. It's a real shame. He is a remarkably talented rider who is his own ( and frequently horse player's ) worst enemy.

And his reply to this was...?

[SandyW]

Six or seven years ago, I had a long talk with Kent one evening in Saratoga. I told him that while he is arguably one of the greatest jockeys of all time, he is likely to be remembered for not riding his horses out to the wire. It's a real shame. He is a remarkably talented rider who is his own ( and frequently horse player's ) worst enemy.

AND????

[cj]

I would think if Andy wanted to give Kent's reply he would have already done so.

[SG4]

I would think if Andy wanted to give Kent's reply he would have already done so.

Well I imagine Kent could've replied in 3 ways - 1) given a nuanced explanation of why it looks like he doesn't ride out to the wire & explain how the horses he's on are already giving 100% 2) Taken some self reflection & say maybe he can change his ways to show more effort or 3) I'm a HOF jockey putting my life on the line & everyone can kiss my a**


If we ran a survey poll on this site, I think one of these replies might garner 100% of the votes so I guess we'll just have to assume that was the essence of the reply unless any more inkling to this story is given.

[HuggingTheRail]

If we ran a survey poll on this site, I think one of these replies might garner 100% of the votes so I guess we'll just have to assume that was the essence of the reply unless any more inkling to this story is given.

There is no poll question that can be posed to this group that will result in 100% agreement, not even this topic :lol:

[the little guy]

Well I imagine Kent could've replied in 3 ways - 1) given a nuanced explanation of why it looks like he doesn't ride out to the wire & explain how the horses he's on are already giving 100% 2) Taken some self reflection & say maybe he can change his ways to show more effort or 3) I'm a HOF jockey putting my life on the line & everyone can kiss my a**


If we ran a survey poll on this site, I think one of these replies might garner 100% of the votes so I guess we'll just have to assume that was the essence of the reply unless any more inkling to this story is given.


It was an interesting evening/conversation. I would be happy to discuss it if anyone sees me at the track and wants to ask.

I think there is a misconception ( especially by Twitter trolls :D :D ) that all riders are unwilling to have rational conversations about their riding.

[whodoyoulike]

I visited Santa Anita back in the mid-90's while on business. Couldn't find a form prior to race day, so I went to the track Sat. afternoon and bought the program. Being an east coaster, Kent was the only jockey I recognized. Stayed about five or six races and bet Kent on three of them. He won them all at decent prices. No complaints from me.

Back in the '90's a few bettors at the OTB used to call him Superman when he was 1st call with R. Hess Jr. He used to win several races almost every day.

[menifee]

He is an enigma. He's wins when he shouldn't and loses when he shouldn't. If I had a horse in the Derby or BC, he'd be my choice. He's fearless and a hall of famer, I just wouldn't backwheel my horse.

[upthecreek]

When's the last time youve seen Kent D on back to back $20 winners(well almost) Dmr races 7&8 A $236 DD