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JustRalph
05-16-2004, 03:54 PM
Interesting article here

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_10.html

I wonder if they heard jet engines just prior to the explosion?

Those B-2's sure are quiet..........Syrian's "with equipment" on a North Korean Train? Hmmm.............

Report: Syrians, 'equipment' were in N. Korea train blast


Special to World Tribune.com
EAST-ASIA-INTEL.COM
Sunday, May 16, 2004
Syrian technicians accompanying unknown equipment were killed in the train explosion in North Korea on April 22, according to a report in a Japanese newspaper.

A military specialist on Korean affairs revealed that the Syrian technicians were killed in the explosion in Ryongchon in the northwestern part of the country, according to the Sankei Shimbun. The specialist said the Syrians were accompanying "large equipment" and that the damage from the explosion was greatest in the portion of the train they occupied.

The source said North Korean military personnel with protective suits responded to the scene soon after the explosion and removed material only from the Syrians' section of the train.

The technicians were from the Syrian technical research center called Centre d'Etudes et de Recherche Scientific (CERS). Although CERS was established to promote science and technology development, it has been viewed as a major player in Syria's weapons of mass destruction development program.

The source said it was not known whether the cargo was the source of the explosion or whether it had exploded following a separate explosion on another section of the train.
As many as 10 Syrians and accompanying North Koreans were killed, according to the report. The bodies of the Syrians were taken home on May 1 by a Syrian aircraft, which had come to Pyongyang to deliver aid supplies.

The Syrians and North Koreans who transported the victimrs were also reportedly wearing protective suits similar to those worn by the North Korean military figures who arrived on the scene immediately after the accident, the source said.

The United States and other countries have expressed concern that Syrian and North Korea are developoing Scud-D missiles, as well as chemical and biological weapons.

Concerning the cause of the explosion incident, the DPRK has explained that a train carrying fertilizer containing ammonium nitrate and a railroad tank carrying petroleum were being shunted, and, in the process, came into contact with electrical wires, due to carelessness.

kenwoodallpromos
05-16-2004, 10:13 PM
Looks like our aim is very good.

kenwoodallpromos
05-17-2004, 10:58 PM
Were they hauling Saran gas to Iraq?

Tom
05-17-2004, 11:09 PM
How do you store Sarn gas. In Saran Wrap?


http://www.foxnews.com/:confused:

Sounds like we might be on the verge of a new paradigm in this war.

Tom
05-19-2004, 12:50 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120268,00.html


Back to reality.....what we went to war for in the first place is still an active issue. Those who say there wre no WMD just palinly have zero evidence to their arguments. Read the last line of this story-the one about still waiting for the UN to get in gear.
Now isn't this a little more unsettling than underwear on some bum's head?

JustRalph
05-19-2004, 01:33 AM
Excellent point Tom! I think that most of the mainstream media is willing to overlook anything that would shed a positive light on the current administration, and this issue is still out there. I don't care if that 155 shell is old, it still shows that these things were present and there are probably more stuck in the ground somewhere. We know they had the weapons......just because we didn't find them........doesn't mean they aren't still hidden somewhere. Like the article says.........the Kurds know they are in country somewhere.......or were sent out to Syria etc. Clinton's crew said they had them, the U.N. said they had them......this bigger problem is that we haven't found what "we know" was there. Where the hell is it? That scares me..........

Oh yeah.......that 155 gun has a range of 14 miles..........if I remember right...........

so.cal.fan
05-19-2004, 12:21 PM
The fact that everyone was sure there were WMDs can't be ignored.
When the Bush administration wanted to go into Iraq, even Hillary Clinton supported the idea.....why? Think she might have known something? I do.
Hey, where there is smoke there is fire.........
Let's wait and see what plays out here, before we make any wild statements one way or another.....
I remember after 9/11 President Bush told the country that there would be times in this LONG WAR ON TERROR when it looked like things were going badly.....but there would in fact be things going on behind the scenes that we would not be able to disclose to the world......
I was a supporter of President Clinton.....and voted for Al Gore....but somehow I sense that if Clinton was in the white house.....we would be in the same place at this time.......even John Kerry will not come out and flatly state......no WMDs....no reason to be in Iraq....and we are going abandon the effort.....why? They know differently........????? Very likely.
I'm ignoring all the "politics".......wait and see what develops.
jmho.
so.cal.fan

Tom
05-19-2004, 08:56 PM
SoCalFan.....you are one wise person. You may vote this year! LOL

JustRalph
05-25-2004, 05:13 PM
hmmm.....does this change anything?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040525/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq_sarin_2

Middle East - AP


Tests Confirm Sarin Gas in Baghdad Bomb

May 25th 2004

By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Comprehensive testing has confirmed the presence of the chemical weapon sarin in the remains of a roadside bomb discovered this month in Baghdad, a defense official said Tuesday.


he determination, made by a laboratory in the United States that the official would not identify, verifies what earlier, less-thorough field tests had found: the bomb was made from an artillery shell designed to disperse the deadly nerve agent on the battlefield.


The origin of the shell remains unclear, and finding that out is a priority for the U.S. military, the defense official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.


Some analysts worry the 155-millimeter artillery shell, found rigged as a bomb on May 15, may be part of a larger stockpile of Iraqi chemical weapons that insurgents can now use. But no more have turned up, and several military officials have said the shell may have been an older one that predated the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites).


It likewise is not known whether the bombers knew they had a chemical weapon. Military officials have said the shell bore no labels to indicate it was anything except a normal explosive shell, the type used to make scores of roadside bombs in Iraq (news - web sites).


No one was injured in the shell's initial detonation, but two American soldiers who removed the round had symptoms of low-level nerve agent exposure, officials said last week.


The shell was a binary type, which has two chambers containing relatively safe chemicals. When the round is fired from an artillery gun, its rotation mixes the chemicals to create sarin, which is supposed to disperse when the shell strikes its target.


Since it was not fired from a gun but was detonated as a bomb, the initial explosion on May 15 dispersed the precursor chemicals, apparently mixing them in only small amounts, officials said then. In battle, such shells would have to be fired in great numbers to effect a large body of troops.


Iraq's first field-test of a binary-type shell containing sarin was in 1988, U.S. defense officials have said.


Saddam's government only disclosed the testing and production after Iraqi weapons chief Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majid, Saddam's son-in-law, defected in 1995. Saddam's government never declared any sarin or shells filled with sarin remained.


Saddam's alleged stockpile of weapons of mass destruction was the Bush administration's chief stated reason for invading Iraq. U.S. weapons hunters have been unable to validate the prewar intelligence.


Some trace elements of mustard agent, an older type of chemical weapon, were detected in an artillery shell found in a Baghdad street this month, U.S. officials said previously. The shell also was believed to be from one of Saddam's old stockpiles.

Secretariat
05-25-2004, 06:27 PM
Congrats JR. I'm glad they found one weapon. Kind of makes all those lives and billions of dollars all worth it

"But no more have turned up, and several military officials have said the shell may have been an older one that predated the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites). ."