Top Ten "Reasons" Not To Bet Scott Zeron

[Lose The Juice]

10. "He's always at the bottom of alphabetical listings of drivers!"

9. "His name has 'zero' in it!!"

8. Never won with a Todd Pletcher baby

7. Lots of drives on horses with frighteningly non-chalky odds

6. "If he was any good, Chansky would use him!"

5. "I once knew a guy who bet him, and 6 months later, he got the flu!"

4. "Why, just 3 weeks ago, I had a Gingras horse who paid a whopping 4.80!"

3. "I ran his numbers through my computer, and learned that he's weak on 178-1 shots!"

2. "Are Canadians even ALLOWED in this country?"

1. "His dad used to do that annoying thing with the whip in the winner's circle!"

[lamboguy]

the guy won a big pick 5 and pick 4 for me a month ago on a $195 horse. i need more guys like you that think he know's no good and i will never have a problem as long as i live.

[Lose The Juice]

Why not reread it. SLOWLY. :p

[Tall One]

Good stuff, Juice.. :D

[Lose The Juice]

TYVM. :)

[Stillriledup]

the guy won a big pick 5 and pick 4 for me a month ago on a $195 horse. i need more guys like you that think he know's no good and i will never have a problem as long as i live.

The guy is a winner, plain and simple. He wins with favorites, he wins with longshots, he's a winner....so, there are plenty of reasons to bet ON him, at least 10 that i know of.

[RaceTrackDaddy]

I must say that I found it very amusing...one of the most satirical pieces in a long while to be posted here...

[LottaKash]

I must say that I found it very amusing...one of the most satirical pieces in a long while to be posted here...

Yes, I thought that too... :jump:

[Lose The Juice]

Ahh, my faith in the native smarts and humor of horseplayers has been restored. TYFT, men. :p

[badcompany]

There's a name for a thread like this and it rhymes with Jircle Cerk.

I never said I wouldn't ever bet Zeron or that he is incapable of winning a race, just that he was "nothing special."

These are the current BigM standings among the primary drivers. Please explain why my assessment was incorrect.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/182c111c325d41c5672e8cbb1a2e9e54_zpsac8f6652.jpg

[mrroyboy]

He is nothing special at Meadowlands.

[banacek]

These are the current BigM standings among the primary drivers. Please explain why my assessment was incorrect.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/182c111c325d41c5672e8cbb1a2e9e54_zpsac8f6652.jpg

Because he has the best ROI in the list?

[Stillriledup]

There's a name for a thread like this and it rhymes with Jircle Cerk.

I never said I wouldn't ever bet Zeron or that he is incapable of winning a race, just that he was "nothing special."

These are the current BigM standings among the primary drivers. Please explain why my assessment was incorrect.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/182c111c325d41c5672e8cbb1a2e9e54_zpsac8f6652.jpg

Because your "ASSessment" doesn't help us cash tickets and certainly doesn't help us cash Tri and Superfecta tickets with Zeron Driven longshots finishing 3rd and 4th?
As far as him being "nothing special" these posts and constant banging on him seems to indicate he's way worse than "nothing special". Maybe if he could start driving 3-5 shots more often, he would win more races, the guy is on 20-1s a lot more than he's on 3-5s.

[Lose The Juice]

I never said I wouldn't ever bet Zeron or that he is incapable of winning a race, just that he was "nothing special."



Quite frankly, I had no idea you'd pronounced on the subject one way or another. :confused:

[pandy]

He is nothing special at Meadowlands.

Let's not go overboard. He's off to a slow start this year, for someone with his career stats, but in 2014, his first full year driving in this country, he finished 4th in the Meadowlands driver standings, ahead of Hall of Famers John Campbell and Ron Pierce, and many others. He also finished 14th in North American with 5.7 million in earnings, which was, by the way, a better year than he had in 2013.

[pandy]

There's a name for a thread like this and it rhymes with Jircle Cerk.

I never said I wouldn't ever bet Zeron or that he is incapable of winning a race, just that he was "nothing special."

These are the current BigM standings among the primary drivers. Please explain why my assessment was incorrect.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/182c111c325d41c5672e8cbb1a2e9e54_zpsac8f6652.jpg


You assessment may be incorrect because you are showing this year's stats and totally ignoring the rest of his career including 2014 when he finished 4th in the standings at the Big M and 14th overall, clearly an outstanding year by any measure, and that was a better year than he had in 2013, when he also had an outstanding year. You're also ignoring the fact that he was the youngest driver in history to get to 2,000 wins. And please don't tell me they don't count because he was in Canada. You're also ignoring the fact that up to this point in his career, he has the most wins and earnings of virtually any driver in the history of harness racing.

[Lose The Juice]

Don't go to the bank on this, but there are rumors that this here sport of "driver racing" may soon be enlarged to include "horses" and "trainers."

Under this scenario, the drivers would actually sit in sulkies to drive actual living "horses", between-race oversight of which would devolve upon people called... yep, you guessed it... "trainers."

One industry insider says, "this new plan for the sport seems to present more interesting possibilities than simply having people bet on whether Mark McNobody is better than Phil Anonymous on a 5/8's-mile track."

[Faceless Enemy]

There's a name for a thread like this and it rhymes with Jircle Cerk.

I never said I wouldn't ever bet Zeron or that he is incapable of winning a race, just that he was "nothing special."

These are the current BigM standings among the primary drivers. Please explain why my assessment was incorrect.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/182c111c325d41c5672e8cbb1a2e9e54_zpsac8f6652.jpg



The EPS is pretty bad for Zeron, and stands out like a sore thumb.One driver who is struggling on that list who does put his horses in a position to win is Callahan.... At least he puts his horses in the cover flow but has suffered from some bad luck this season....Some drivers are just better on a mile track and some not so much.

[Stillriledup]

Don't go to the bank on this, but there are rumors that this here sport of "driver racing" may soon be enlarged to include "horses" and "trainers."

Under this scenario, the drivers would actually sit in sulkies to drive actual living "horses", between-race oversight of which would devolve upon people called... yep, you guessed it... "trainers."

One industry insider says, "this new plan for the sport seems to present more interesting possibilities than simply having people bet on whether Mark McNobody is better than Phil Anonymous on a 5/8's-mile track."

You mean all this time when i was betting on races, i wasn't really betting on horses and i was betting on humans? WHO KNEW. :D

[Stillriledup]

The EPS is pretty bad for Zeron, and stands out like a sore thumb.One driver who is struggling on that list who does put his horses in a position to win is Callahan.... At least he puts his horses in the cover flow but has suffered from some bad luck this season....Some drivers are just better on a mile track and some not so much.

You know what else doesn't stand out like a sore thumb but is just as sore as that thumb? Is the idea that you can still make HUGE scores if Zeron (or any driver for that matter) finishes in a specific position in the top 4 (assuming the race has super wagering) and you find a way to position your wagers accordingly.

I know, who knew you could make a bundle betting ON a driver who "never wins"! :D

[Lose The Juice]

Among drivers of above-average talent, UDR and win% are to a great degree dependent on the identity of the trainers each drivers gets drives from. If you patron trainer gets bounced on a positive (an all too frequent occurrence these days), your stats will fall off, without you being any less or more talented. Zeron took a hit when Casie was sent packing. This is not tough to understand, nor is it a new phenomenon... anyone who was around when Buddy Regan switched largely from Chappy/Loosh to Carmine will remember Carmine suddenly becoming the preeminent catch-driver in NY.

[PaceAdvantage]

Really guys? Really?

[Lose The Juice]

Huh?

[PaceAdvantage]

Yeah, that fits too...

Huh?

[Stillriledup]

Really guys? Really?

I agree, its bad.

Although, i have to say that i pay much more attention to Zeron now and i see that he's actually a pretty good driver who isn't getting great stock to drive, hence, the low win percentage.

There are these crazy things called Trifectas and Superfectas, so if Zeron can get one of the slugs he's driving up for 3rd or 4th, you can score out without needing him to actually win. I know, novel concept.

[Lose The Juice]

"1

3/5/7/2

4 is a good horse, he made a good close!

No, Brennen is better then Sear's."

[pandy]

Zeron had two wins last night.

[pandy]

Zeron had two wins last night.

Zeron had two more Saturday night.

[Stillriledup]

K8E_zMLCRNg

[pandy]

Zeron had two more Saturday night.

12 wins in last 9 racing cards, positive ROI on the year....this is the guy that someone said is "unbettable"....

[cecil127]

calling them "someone" is extending a lil too much credit IMO....

scotty z helped my acct with Nassau County completing the exacta!

we'll just keep on taking that "nobody's" $ wont we pandy? :lol: :ThmbUp: :cool:

[pandy]

Yep.

[Lose The Juice]

Yes, yes. Of course Zeron is not the terrible driver that some concluded he was from, um, looking at this year's stats.

But there's a larger point in all of this as well.

[Sea Biscuit]

Zeron had two more Saturday night.

Brought home a horse that paid $47.80:ThmbUp:

[Stillriledup]

Brought home a horse that paid $47.80:ThmbUp:

Not to mention the subtly spectacular drive on the favorite in the last race last night....waited as long as possible to grind first up and just held off the other contender while being on a line a bit as well as seeming "off" in the warmups as he didn't seem nearly as smooth gaited as he did the previous race...if he moves too soon, or rushes up too fast, he might have gotten beat.

[PaceAdvantage]

The reason it's quiet is because I banned that repetitive Zeron basher a few weeks ago...

[Stillriledup]

The reason it's quiet is because I banned that repetitive Zeron basher a few weeks ago...

NOOOOO!! We need him back so if he decides to bash someone else, we can just start auto betting that guy and make boatloads. 47 dollar winners can do that for ya. :D

[coachv30]

NOOOOO!! We need him back so if he decides to bash someone else, we can just start auto betting that guy and make boatloads. 47 dollar winners can do that for ya. :D


Yeah...he seems to have that "Reverse Jinks' effect.

[pandy]

The reason it's quiet is because I banned that repetitive Zeron basher a few weeks ago...

Thank you. What he was posting was so ridiculous, I didn't want him to mislead people who perhaps don't follow harness racing that closely.

[badcompany]

NOOOOO!! We need him back so if he decides to bash someone else, we can just start auto betting that guy and make boatloads. 47 dollar winners can do that for ya. :D


How much did you make on him this weekend? ;)

[Stillriledup]

How much did you make on him this weekend? ;)

I didn't bet Meadowlands at all, didn't even follow it, so i made nothing and lost nothing.

[Stillriledup]

There's a name for a thread like this and it rhymes with Jircle Cerk.

I never said I wouldn't ever bet Zeron or that he is incapable of winning a race, just that he was "nothing special."

These are the current BigM standings among the primary drivers. Please explain why my assessment was incorrect.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/182c111c325d41c5672e8cbb1a2e9e54_zpsac8f6652.jpg

Updated standings? I haven't been paying much attention recently.

Thanks.

[pandy]

Gingras, Yannick 284 56 20% 50 18% 35 12% 0.336 50% -27% $633,106 $2,229
Miller, Brett 341 52 15% 64 19% 36 11% 0.292 45% -34% $725,968 $2,129
Campbell, John 307 42 14% 30 10% 44 14% 0.239 38% -24% $599,808 $1,954
Miller, David 355 40 11% 50 14% 49 14% 0.237 39% -34% $610,762 $1,720
Tetrick, Tim 203 38 19% 25 12% 29 14% 0.303 45% -50% $504,931 $2,487
Zeron, Scott 302 34 11% 19 6% 23 8% 0.173 25% 4% $378,650 $1,25

After his 8 wins in two nights this week, Zeron is 6th in the standings with 34 wins.

[MONEY]

He also had a $92.50 winner March 24th, race 5 at Yonkers.
4 Khan Blue Chip Scott Zeron 92.50 14.00

[badcompany]

Gingras, Yannick 284 56 20% 50 18% 35 12% 0.336 50% -27% $633,106 $2,229
Miller, Brett 341 52 15% 64 19% 36 11% 0.292 45% -34% $725,968 $2,129
Campbell, John 307 42 14% 30 10% 44 14% 0.239 38% -24% $599,808 $1,954
Miller, David 355 40 11% 50 14% 49 14% 0.237 39% -34% $610,762 $1,720
Tetrick, Tim 203 38 19% 25 12% 29 14% 0.303 45% -50% $504,931 $2,487
Zeron, Scott 302 34 11% 19 6% 23 8% 0.173 25% 4% $378,650 $1,25

After his 8 wins in two nights this week, Zeron is 6th in the standings with 34 wins.

Pandy,
How do you think he would do driving full time against this group?

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/thinlizzy21/a3adc9eee88e07256e846cf2b3bc6c5b_zpsdzf4q8kr.jpg

[pandy]

I don't think the Yonkers driving colony is better than the Meadowlands, so, I think he'd do pretty good.

[pandy]

I don't think the Yonkers driving colony is better than the Meadowlands, so, I think he'd do pretty good.


I think I wrote on one of these threads that Scott Zeron was 27 years old. If so, I was wrong. He is 25.

[badcompany]

I don't think the Yonkers driving colony is better than the Meadowlands, so, I think he'd do pretty good.

Disagree. John Campbell is 3rd at the BigM. He would not be 3rd at Yonkers. I'm well aware of his accomplishments, but he is 60 and well past his prime.

[mrroyboy]

In some ways 1/2 mile tracks are toughest to drive. More turns etc. At least 3 drivers at Yonkers would do better than Campbell but that doesn't mean he can't be bet.

[pandy]

Disagree. John Campbell is 3rd at the BigM. He would not be 3rd at Yonkers. I'm well aware of his accomplishments, but he is 60 and well past his prime.


When you knock the most successful driver in the history of the sport, you are not going to get me to agree. If I owned a top horse and needed a driver for a big race, like the Hambletonian, I would take Campbell over any driver who is a regular at Yonkers right now. And I don't buy the age theory. Harness racing is not basketball. I watch all of the Meadowlands races, and to my eyes Campbell still looks like one of the greatest drivers in the sport. His decisions are still better than most of the drivers, and he certainly gets a lot out of a horse when he needs to.

David Miller, Tetrick, Gingras, Callahan, Pierce, all Meadowlands regulars. Gingras and Tetrick are the two top drivers in the sport. Campbell Miller, and Pierce are among the most successful drivers in history. The driving colony at Yonkers is good, but certainly not better than the Meadowlands.

[badcompany]

When you knock the most successful driver in the history of the sport, you are not going to get me to agree. If I owned a top horse and needed a driver for a big race, like the Hambletonian, I would take Campbell over any driver who is a regular at Yonkers right now. And I don't buy the age theory. Harness racing is not basketball.

Who's knocking him? Everybody gets old. Mike Lachance, in his prime, would be be the top driver at either track, but he wouldn't, today. Why? He's old!

While age isn't as big a factor as in more physical sports, I'm pretty sure if you asked Campbell, himself, he would confess he isn't what he was 20 years ago.

[Stillriledup]

Who's knocking him? Everybody gets old. Mike Lachance, in his prime, would be be the top driver at either track, but he wouldn't, today. Why? He's old!

While age isn't as big a factor as in more physical sports, I'm pretty sure if you asked Campbell, himself, he would confess he isn't what he was 20 years ago.

Campbell's decline, however slight, has a lot to do with injuries moreso than age. He's had some serious injuries, and those injuries add up.

A lot of the ranking in drivers have to do with who you drive for. If Campbell or Zeron drove all the very good Burke horses, they would have more wins and would be perceived to be better, although they would be the same exact driver.

The top 10 or 20 drivers in the sport are all good enough to win with the right horse, a lot of the 'whos better than who' is largely based on the quality of mounts.

[badcompany]

Campbell's decline, however slight, has a lot to do with injuries moreso than age. He's had some serious injuries, and those injuries add up.

Yeah, they add up with AGE.

You get injured more easily with AGE.

It takes longer to recuperate as you get OLDER.

In summary, AGE matters.

[jtschmidt]

I am a young gun who has only followed for 3 years so I am naturally attracted to the hot Gingras and Tetrick over these years. I have no statistical data to back this up, but I think Campbell TODAY is the best driver when it comes to timing his move to the wire. I love JC on a good closer and he seems to get it done well with these tactics. The obvious races that come to mind are his two Crown wins in 2014 with Shelliscape and Thinking Out Loud.

[badcompany]

I am a young gun who has only followed for 3 years so I am naturally attracted to the hot Gingras and Tetrick over these years. I have no statistical data to back this up, but I think Campbell TODAY is the best driver when it comes to timing his move to the wire. I love JC on a good closer and he seems to get it done well with these tactics. The obvious races that come to mind are his two Crown wins in 2014 with Shelliscape and Thinking Out Loud.

I've found the older drivers to be better with young horses, as a light touch and careful handling is paramount.

However, with older horse races, the driving is more aggressive and younger, stronger drivers have an edge. Watch Dube or Bartlett with their whips. Lachance used to be like that, but you lose that power with age.

[pandy]

Who's knocking him? Everybody gets old. Mike Lachance, in his prime, would be be the top driver at either track, but he wouldn't, today. Why? He's old!

While age isn't as big a factor as in more physical sports, I'm pretty sure if you asked Campbell, himself, he would confess he isn't what he was 20 years ago.


It's not true. Campbell gets interviewed a lot and he has said, repeatedly, that he still thought he was driving at the top of his game. And he is.

If age mattered that much, Campbell and Pierce would not get the horses they get. Between the two of them, they still get a lot of quality stakes horses to drive, and they come through with flying colors.

[pandy]

I've found the older drivers to be better with young horses, as a light touch and careful handling is paramount.

However, with older horse races, the driving is more aggressive and younger, stronger drivers have an edge. Watch Dube or Bartlett with their whips. Lachance used to be like that, but you lose that power with age.


I disagree, again. You can lose agility with age, but power can be made up through conditioning. I'm 60 and I'm physically much stronger than I was when I was 20 or 30, but I work out with weights, and I do pull ups, push ups and things like that. My entire upper body is much stronger than it was when I was young. Believe me, Campbell and Pierce are strong. Driving as many horses as they do keeps your arms rock solid.

[pandy]

I am a young gun who has only followed for 3 years so I am naturally attracted to the hot Gingras and Tetrick over these years. I have no statistical data to back this up, but I think Campbell TODAY is the best driver when it comes to timing his move to the wire. I love JC on a good closer and he seems to get it done well with these tactics. The obvious races that come to mind are his two Crown wins in 2014 with Shelliscape and Thinking Out Loud.

You are correct sir. Campbell is a masterful driver, and he is one of the best ever with closers. There is a reason why he is he most successful harness driver in the history of the sport.

[mrroyboy]

I disagree, again. You can lose agility with age, but power can be made up through conditioning. I'm 60 and I'm physically much stronger than I was when I was 20 or 30, but I work out with weights, and I do pull ups, push ups and things like that. My entire upper body is much stronger than it was when I was young. Believe me, Campbell and Pierce are strong. Driving as many horses as they do keeps your arms rock solid.

Pandy you are in better shape than in your 20's? That is incredible.

[badcompany]

Pandy you are in better shape than in your 20's? That is incredible.

Yeah, can you imagine what he'll be when he hits the big 1-0-0? :cool:

[pandy]

Pandy you are in better shape than in your 20's? That is incredible.

I'm not in better shape but I have a better physique and more strength than I did in my 20's. I think what you really lose is agility and speed. In my junior year in high school I ran the 440 in 63 seconds. I'm not sure I could run 100 yards in 63 seconds now! But speed and agility don't come into play for a harness driver, who doesn't have to run or cut.

I do think it's tough for a driver who doesn't drive full time. For instance, Lachance just drives for a few months a year. But Campbell and Pierce are still driving full time and I don't see any difference in the way they drive, they are both still great drivers.

[pandy]

Yeah, can you imagine what he'll be when he hits the big 1-0-0? :cool:


Unfortunately, you do lose it all, eventually. If I live until I'm an old man, I'm probably not going to handle it well. :) I hate looking or feeling old. I wonder how many other men feel that way.

[Stillriledup]

Another driving clinic by Scotty Z on Saturday night. Tied for 5th in the standings. So much for the theory that this guy is no good.

[thaskalos]

I'm 60 and I'm physically much stronger than I was when I was 20 or 30, but I work out with weights, and I do pull ups, push ups and things like that. My entire upper body is much stronger than it was when I was young.
I've been young, and I've been not-so-young...and I liked it much better when I was young. When I hear people say that they are much stronger at 60 than they were at 30...then I must assume that they totally neglected themselves when they were 30. I know people in their 20s and 30s who can't do a single push-up...and they too can declare in 30 years that they are stronger at 60 than they were at 30. It's no big deal.

Anything a 60 year-old can do...a 30 year-old can do better.

[pandy]

I've been young, and I've been not-so-young...and I liked it much better when I was young. When I hear people say that they are much stronger at 60 than they were at 30...then I must assume that they totally neglected themselves when they were 30. I know people in their 20s and 30s who can't do a single push-up...and they too can declare in 30 years that they are stronger at 60 than they were at 30. It's no big deal.

Anything a 60 year-old can do...a 30 year-old can do better.

I'm specifically talking about strength. When I was in my 30's I ran and did some weights but like millions of other people I was a yo-yo dieter and yo-yo exerciser, meaning that I would gain weight, get ticked off, start exercising and dieting, get in shape, then after 6 to 9 months I'd fall off the wagon, stop exercising and gain back the weight. Now I don't do that anymore, I never stop working out and I never allow myself to gain more than a few pounds.

Based on your cynical comment, I can tell that you don't know much about strength training or body building. I've studied it extensively. If I wrote a book on it it would be better than 90% of the books, because much of what is written about strength training is ridiculous and is published with the sole purpose of making a profit.

Yes, you can be physically stronger at 60 than you were at 30. I'm not saying that you'll be better at all things physical, obviously not because reflex action and flexibility is much better when you're younger. But if you take an average 30 year old who sits at a desk all day and maybe runs occasionally, and then when he's in his 50's that same guy starts a weight training regimen, yes, he can be stronger at 60 than he was at 30.

Let's put it this way, if I punched someone in in the jaw when I was 30 or if I did the same now, it would hurt that person a lot more now. My arms, shoulders, chest, back, etc., are all bigger and stronger now.

[thaskalos]

I'm specifically talking about strength. When I was in my 30's I ran and did some weights but like millions of other people I was a yo-yo dieter and yo-yo exerciser, meaning that I would gain weight, get ticked off, start exercising and dieting, get in shape, then after 6 to 9 months I'd fall off the wagon, stop exercising and gain back the weight. Now I don't do that anymore, I never stop working out and I never allow myself to gain more than a few pounds.

Based on your cynical comment, I can tell that you don't know much about strength training or body building. I've studied it extensively. If I wrote a book on it it would be better than 90% of the books, because much of what is written about strength training is ridiculous and is published with the sole purpose of making a profit.

Yes, you can be physically stronger at 60 than you were at 30. I'm not saying that you'll be better at all things physical, obviously not because reflex action and flexibility is much better when you're younger. But if you take an average 30 year old who sits at a desk all day and maybe runs occasionally, and then when he's in his 50's that same guy starts a weight training regimen, yes, he can be stronger at 60 than he was at 30.

Let's put it this way, if I punched someone in in the jaw when I was 30 or if I did the same now, it would hurt that person a lot more now. My arms, shoulders, chest, back, etc., are all bigger and stronger now.

Quite the contrary. I could write BOOKS about strength training...and I've been interested in "bodybuilding" for 34 years.. And if you really were as informed as you pretend to be about bodybuilding...then you would know about the muscle mass loss that the 60 year-old has to deal with due to the advancement of age. It IS possible to be in great shape as a 60 year-old...but, with proper care and conditioning...the physically fit 60 year-old would have been a FANTASTICALLY fit 30 year-old.

You lose muscle mass when you get old...and you can't reverse that loss merely by lifting weights.

[pandy]

Everything is different, obviously. I'm pretty lucky right now, I'm sure it will get tougher to keep muscle as I age.

For anyone interested who wants to get and stay in shape, here are my basic tips:

1). This is a no brainer but if you're more than 10 lbs overweight, you have to lose weight. There is no magic bullet. You have to cut calories. The best way to do this is to eat smaller meals. Americans in general eat way more food than we need. All you need for dinner is a 4 to 6 oz serving of protein and a similar serving of vegetable and that's plenty. You can have a splurge dinner once a week or once in a while.
2). Exercise every week. The key to looking or feeling fit is consistently. Whether you work out twice a week or five times a week, the key is, don't stop. Sure you can take a week off for vacation, but consistently is the key.
3). Keep workouts short and intense. In my opinion, long workouts are not only a waste of time and energy, but a path to failure. The problem is, very few people will stay on tip 2, exercise every week, if they try long workouts because they'll blow the workouts off after a while. You have to find a workout that you'll actually keep doing, every week. Everyone has enough time and energy to fit in three 15 to 20 minute workouts a week, or even five 10 to 12 minute workouts. If you do 45 to 60 minute workouts, after a few months you'll stop training because either you are pressed for time or burned out, etc. You can find an excuse not to spend an hour in the gym, but you can't find an excuse to blow off a 15 minute workout at home.

[thaskalos]

Everything is different, obviously. I'm pretty lucky right now, I'm sure it will get tougher to keep muscle as I age.

For anyone interested who wants to get and stay in shape, here are my basic tips:

1). This is a no brainer but if you're more than 10 lbs overweight, you have to lose weight. There is no magic bullet. You have to cut calories. The best way to do this is to eat smaller meals. Americans in general eat way more food than we need. All you need for dinner is a 4 to 6 oz serving of protein and a similar serving of vegetable and that's plenty. You can have a splurge dinner once a week or once in a while.
2). Exercise every week. The key to looking or feeling fit is consistently. Whether you work out twice a week or five times a week, the key is, don't stop. Sure you can take a week off for vacation, but consistently is the key.
3). Keep workouts short and intense. In my opinion, long workouts are not only a waste of time and energy, but a path to failure. The problem is, very few people will stay on tip 2, exercise every week, if they try long workouts because they'll blow the workouts off after a while. You have to find a workout that you'll actually keep doing, every week. Everyone has enough time and energy to fit in three 15 to 20 minute workouts a week, or even five 10 to 12 minute workouts. If you do 45 to 60 minute workouts, after a few months you'll stop training because either you are pressed for time or burned out, etc. You can find an excuse not to spend an hour in the gym, but you can't find an excuse to blow off a 15 minute workout at home.
Exercise recommendations must be tailored to the trainee's age and physical condition level. One size does not fit all. If the person is middle-aged, and he has neglected himself for years...then he must ease into the "intensity" of the exercise that he endeavors to undertake. I have found that we older lifters must also spend a considerable amount of time warming up prior to our regular routine...otherwise we run an increased risk of seriously injuring ourselves.

As far as diet is concerned, I am a fanatic...and follow my diet routine with the same devotion that the Dalai Lama practices his religion. I have had serious health issues in my life, and doctors have suggested all sorts of prescription medication to me...but I have shunned all their advice, and have completely cured myself with diet alone. Even my own doctor can't believe my test and blood work results whenever I visit him. My health and energy level have improved to such an extent...that my entire outlook on eating has changed. I don't eat because eating is a pleasurable thing to do; I eat to refuel my body for ultimate health and boundless energy.

Alas...I've tried to convert some family members to my way of seeing things...but I've been largely unsuccessful. I guess it only works when you've had a good scare first...

[pandy]

Good advice!

Unfortunately, doctors often offer the quick fix, subscription medication, instead of exercise and nutrition, and drugs are toxic.

My uncle Anthony is 93. He has a blood disorder and the doctors had him on several medications. He was constantly back and forth to the hospital for injections. My cousin decided to take matters into his own hands and he weened his dad off of the medications, even the diabetes medicine, and fed him healthy foods and herbs. The difference is amazing. His skin tone returned to normal, no more need for blood injections, and he's doing great.

[baconswitchfarm]

because much of what is written about strength training is ridiculous and is published with the sole purpose of making a profit. .



Just like handicapping. :lol:

[traynor]

While there may be comfort and solace to some in the belief that he or she "did the right thing" at some earlier age, the simple fact is that what one could do (or did) physically at 30 is (in general) irrelevant to what one can or cannot do physically at 60. Humans have now, and only now. It is much more important what one does now, not what one coulda woulda shoulda done 30 years ago.

For every "lifetime of clean, healthy living" example, there are many more examples of "athletes-turned-couch-potato." Those strong, fit 30-year-olds turned into something quite different at 60. Why? Because what they did in now changed--while what they did (or did not do) at 30 stayed (essentially, though often embellished in memory) the same.

[castaway01]

As far as diet is concerned, I am a fanatic....

I'm curious---what's your diet like?

[pandy]

Nice 4 win day for Scotty Z at Pocono Sunday, $44.20, $25.40, $16.20, and $2.60

[mrroyboy]

Obviously he overcame his slump and is doing well now. Good for him.

[jtschmidt]

10/28/2015

Scott Zeron 11th in NA Earnings +6.4 million

[pandy]

10/28/2015

Scott Zeron 11th in NA Earnings +6.4 million

Yeah, I remember that screwball's constant posts on how "bad" one of the top drivers in the sport was. He even blasted me because I wrote in a column that Zeron was one of the top 10 drivers. He's 11th, sue me.

[thaskalos]

Yeah, I remember that screwball's constant posts on how "bad" one of the top drivers in the sport was. He even blasted me because I wrote in a column that Zeron was one of the top 10 drivers. He's 11th, sue me.
That "screwball" was funny, though...and he is missed by some of the posters here...even though they won't admit it. :)

[pandy]

Scott Zeron won 6 races at the Meadowlands last night. More importantly, I had three Best Bets and they all won. :)

[Sea Biscuit]

Scott Zeron won 6 races at the Meadowlands last night. More importantly, I had three Best Bets and they all won. :)

Out of those 6 Zeron wins you had only one which paid $2.60. Lol.

[Stillriledup]

Scott Zeron won 6 races at the Meadowlands last night. More importantly, I had three Best Bets and they all won. :)

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1771151&postcount=1

One year later almost to the day!

Enjoy! :lol:

[pandy]

His posts were some of the most clueless I've seen on this or any forum. Zeron is 26 years old and has had a brilliant career. He has something that you can't learn, great hands.

[Tall One]

I mean...there's agenda posting, and then there was that guy. The top-10 list though...it was so absurd, you almost had to chuckle.

[Stillriledup]

I mean...there's agenda posting, and then there was that guy. The top-10 list though...it was so absurd, you almost had to chuckle.

The guy lost a bet on zeron and lost his mind, he wasnt able to listen to logic or have an open mind, took one losing bet too seriously and personally. When a person gets too wrapped up in the 'human element' part of horse betting, they won't be able to win. Zeron was hitting the board with HUGE longshots during this 'slump" which meant if you (he) didnt carry a grudge, he could have turned zeron into his best friend.

Gotta be flexible as a horseplayer, he wasnt.

[pandy]

He also didn't understand sports. Slumps are part of the game. The greatest players of all time in all sports all get into slumps.

[Stillriledup]

Zeron is a god, watch the final race today at Yonkers, he's sitting pocket behind the co favorite but instead of waiting for passing lane like most drivers, he read the track bias and got out of that spot into the crown of the track he knew he was loaded w horse and didn't want to play around. Fantastic! Just another reason to bet ON Scott ZerON

[pandy]

Scott Zeron won 5 races at the Meadowlands last night which should wrap up his first Meadowlands driving title.

On another note, I picked 9 winners on top last night including a $14.80 first time starter and my Best Bet won easily and paid $7.20 off a layoff.

[outofthebox]

Scott Zeron won 5 races at the Meadowlands last night which should wrap up his first Meadowlands driving title.

On another note, I picked 9 winners on top last night including a $14.80 first time starter and my Best Bet won easily and paid $7.20 off a layoff.Congrats on the great night. Wouldn't you know i passed on the Med last night to watch WIJI run at Sar and handicap the Sunday cards. I always follow your picks and you do an outstanding job..

[pandy]

Thank you very much. WIJI was awesome again.

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

Zeron has improved his game ten-fold since he first came south of the border on a regular basis.

[pandy]

Zeron has improved his game ten-fold since he first came south of the border on a regular basis.

His first year in the U.S. Zeron finished 14th in North America with $5.7 million in total earnings. Right now he is 11th with 3.3 million. That doesn't suggest he has improved ten-fold. But, he is very young, so he probably has improved. When he came here he was only 23 years old.

[Jess Hawsen Arown]

His first year in the U.S. Zeron finished 14th in North America with $5.7 million in total earnings. Right now he is 11th with 3.3 million. That doesn't suggest he has improved ten-fold. But, he is very young, so he probably has improved. When he came here he was only 23 years old.

I was specifically referring to his performance at The Meadowlands. He came south with a great record. But in his first year at The Meadowlands, he lost a lot of races he should have won. Now he wins races he should have lost.

[pandy]

Okay, I can buy that. He has very good hands, which is so important if you want to be a top driver. When I interviewed Walter Case, Jr. recently I asked him if it was true what they say, drivers with soft hands will have more horse for the finish, and Casey told me it is definitely true.

[pandy]

Scott Zeron, at age 27, leading driver at the Meadowlands, just won the U.S. Pacing Championship and the Hambletonian with upset winners. Maybe Mike should let that guy who hated Zeron come back so he can admit how ridiculous his statements were.

[Sea Biscuit]

That guy Inside Scoop who took out a number of threads similar to this one must be choking as I write this.

Maybe Lose The Juice and Inside Scoop are one and the same guys. Who knows.

[pandy]

That guy Inside Scoop who took out a number of threads similar to this one must be choking as I write this.

Maybe Lose The Juice and Inside Scoop are one and the same guys. Who knows.

Inside Scoop insulted me, based on something I wrote, that Zeron had a chance to be the leading driver at the Meadowlands some day and was a future Hall of Fame driver.

[MutuelClerk]

I was specifically referring to his performance at The Meadowlands. He came south with a great record. But in his first year at The Meadowlands, he lost a lot of races he should have won. Now he wins races he should have lost.

100% agree. Well said.

[pandy]

What Inside Scoop was writing wasn't that Zeron could do better. He said that Zeron was a bad driver. It was the dumbest thing I've ever seen written on paceadvantage. Zeron hands are as good as any driver in the sport, that's why he is such a strong finisher.

[EMD4ME]

The guy is a winner, plain and simple. He wins with favorites, he wins with longshots, he's a winner....so, there are plenty of reasons to bet ON him, at least 10 that i know of.

SHARP POST :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp: :cool:

[outofthebox]

Just finished off winning the Triple Crown for trotters in the KY Futurity at The Red Mile with Marion Marauder..