Better Call Saul

[RunForTheRoses]

Be here soon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q4qzYrHVmI&feature=youtu.be

[Robert Fischer]

looks fun

[FantasticDan]

And it's here! Anyone catch the premiere last nite? Another episode tonight, its regular slot.

I enjoyed it, Odenkirk is great. I've read that the eps get better and better, so something to look forward to.. :ThmbUp:

[horses4courses]

Watched it.
Liked it. :ThmbUp:

[Dave Schwartz]

Dang, missed it!

Showtime, right?

[horses4courses]

Dang, missed it!

Showtime, right?

AMC, Dave.....I think episode 2 should be on at 7pm PT tonight,
but need to double check that.

[FantasticDan]

Dang, missed it!They're running it again tonite before the 2nd ep.. and again several times thru the week. And I'm pretty sure it'll be on-demand too. AMC, as h4c said.

They want to build an audience, so should be easy to catch. :ThmbUp:

[RunForTheRoses]

It has started out a little slow but is getting more and more interesting. Hopefully, they are getting the back details to eventually move forward more excitingly. Not that it has been awful, far from it.
I do love the setting in New Mexico.

[FantasticDan]

Yeah, it's gaining some strong momentum now.. can't wait to see where the elder law stuff goes :D .

Also very happy to see Mike's story unfold.. he's awesome. :ThmbUp:

Hope we don't have to wait a year for the next season.

[horses4courses]

Good stuff :ThmbUp:

Started slow, but story has some nice twists now.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Good stuff :ThmbUp:

Started slow, but story has some nice twists now.

Glad to hear a couple people say that. I planned on watching, forgot about it, taped a few, watched two, well one and a half since I couldn't finish the second, and promptly stopped trying.

I've kind of been meaning to pick a time and watch a string of a few in a row to see if I can get into it.

[FantasticDan]

For me, the show grinds to a halt when they spend time with Saul's "love interest" from the big law firm. She's anything but compelling.

[RunForTheRoses]

Yeah, Mike's story was interesting and he should have a big part in future episodes. I'm really waiting for some crazed lawyer shenanigans though. The sign scam was ok but...

[RunForTheRoses]

I just watched the trailer again and it seems like there is not too much more. Not sure how many episodes.
The folks at imdb think this is a masterpiece with a rating over 9. That's absurd to me. I agree there is some subtle stuff and I love the SW desert end of the world setting but too me it has been average good not outstanding.

Has anyone seen the movie Whiplash? That is another where the imdb rating (8.6) too me seems way to high. I love jazz and was hoping to like it but it was way over the top and not too reality based.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm starting to think Rotten Tomatoes has better ratings than IMDB...for what that's worth...

[JustRalph]

I'm starting to think Rotten Tomatoes has better ratings than IMDB...for what that's worth...


Always have

This whole pacing problem with this series will kill it

They need to get it rolling a little

[FantasticDan]

Has anyone seen the movie Whiplash? That is another where the imdb rating (8.6) too me seems way to high. I love jazz and was hoping to like it but it was way over the top and not too reality based.For what's it worth, I always find your posts rushing. Or dragging. Try again. Try again!! :mad: :mad: ;)

[RunForTheRoses]

For what's it worth, I always find your posts rushing. Or dragging. Try again. Try again!! :mad: :mad: ;)

Tell me again that story when at Saratoga Harvey Pack threw the crumpled up Racing Form at a young The Little Guy after TLG gave out a 6/5 shot as an immortal lock which ran out of the money (and TLG used this experience as fuel to become one of the greatest Public Handicappers of All Time). What an inspiring story.

I wanted to like the movie and at some level it was ok. The movie was kind of derivative-Officer and a Gentleman meets Rocky at Fame High School.

[Rookies]

Perfect slime ball ambulance chaser in the title role. Mike has the requisite dark past, some zany characters but no significant plot, as yet, besides Lawyers v.s. lawyer.

And when does the blonde with the husky voice... (Fill in the blank(s) ) ?

Needs some sizzle... ;)

[Valuist]

Perfect slime ball ambulance chaser in the title role. Mike has the requisite dark past, some zany characters but no significant plot, as yet, besides Lawyers v.s. lawyer.

And when does the blonde with the husky voice... (Fill in the blank(s) ) ?

Needs some sizzle... ;)

Rumors are that Gus will make an appareance at some point. Always one of my favorite characters in BB. Jesse or Walt as well? We'll see. We are supposed to be back in 2002 in the "Querque."

[Valuist]

Season two has been good. Jimmy McGill is transforming into Saul.

[TJDave]

Jimmy McGill is transforming into Saul.

Easy money says Jimmy gets fired for the commercial. I say he weasels out of it.

[Rookies]

Damn 46 inch screen with HD blew up yesterday, so I missed it. :mad: Have to get the new one before next week. ;)

[CincyHorseplayer]

Yeah it's a little pedestrian in pace. How much of a story is there going to be for a lawyer that has 1 liners? He reaches Rodney Dangerfield status and I love it but telling that story might be pretty boring!

[horses4courses]

I enjoyed the first season.
Missed the first couple of the latest episodes,
so I was lost when I came in on the middle
of the show last night. I'll catch up on netflix.

[Dave Schwartz]

We're still watching it but this season has been dragging a little.

Thus far Jimmy seems like a poor, lost guy just trying to make his way (but with a con man past).

Not really much like the parent series.

[Valuist]

Yeah it's a little pedestrian in pace. How much of a story is there going to be for a lawyer that has 1 liners? He reaches Rodney Dangerfield status and I love it but telling that story might be pretty boring!

Haven't seen you in a while on here. How's the new RD (Belterra)?

[RunForTheRoses]

Jimmy/Saul can't help himself. He made it-great job, etc but he can't help himself, has to take the off the road route.
I'm enjoying the show, last season got real good at the end.

[MutuelClerk]

Saul/Jimmy= Sammy. I like watching the transformation of Sammy into Saul. Pretty good show. I think the commercial will be his last chance. I'm enjoying season 2.

[RunForTheRoses]

Saul/Jimmy= Sammy. I like watching the transformation of Sammy into Saul. Pretty good show. I think the commercial will be his last chance. I'm enjoying season 2.

I guess the alternative to that is his tv commercial is so successful and within the bound of the law that he moves up even further. He obviously likes the tv outreach and has his band of UNM students.
The other interesting bit was mike and nacho.

[RunForTheRoses]

This show can move very slowly but this week's episode, S2E9 was excellent. Made it worth the more tepid episodes. Would make great binge watching.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Haven't seen you in a while on here. How's the new RD (Belterra)?

Sorry I missed this . Thanks! Good to see you too. The new RD sucks! I like everything about it except the layout for racing was so piss poorly thought out it is unbelievable. They managed to make nearly every aspect of the racing experience as unbearable as possible. The paddock can only be accessed from 1 side so you can't get a look at anybody in their stalls so you have to wait til they come out in the walking ring. Plus before they would open the gate and let you cross over. They don't do that anymore. If you enter from the parking side into the paddock you are stuck til they come out on the track. I missed a 6-1 shot because of this 1st year. The grandstand is completely idiotic. They have a chintzy rail and canopy cover on it which screams cheap and it doesn't even cover the diminutive thing anyway. The lower part is bleacher seats which get direct sun and feel like an over from 25 feet away and forget sitting on metal bleachers in July. The lower part of the grandstand is squeezed between supports. There are all of about 15 total tvs and no tables to sit at. If you sit out near the track they have picnic tables and round covered tables but there is no tv in sight. It's the beer drunk gallery which I'm not into at least during racing. Then you have the new clubhouse which went from 2 stories and 700+ seats with good track views to 150 seats on 1 story and no track view. If you don't call in a day ahead of time you won't ever get a walk in seat and there is no where to sit down and go to work. You go over into any part of the casino bars and there is no racing on the TV's. On Opening day I milled around for about an hour and left. It was ridiculous, impractical, and downright frustrating. Plus within 3 months of the 1st year they slashed purses and they still write conditions which don't cater to any winners so there are no purse or condition incentives for good stables. It's lower tier Ohio Horsemen welfare and the whole show is put on for them.



But I call ahead now and get my seat and have gotten into a routine. I like being on track and I was always a runner anyway between paddock and up to grandstand to watch races then back to the work spot. I really like getting comped on bets. They have some good restaurants and bars. Soft drinks and coffee etc are free and it's right next to the racebook. Between Coney Island pool next door which I have been going to for 36 years since I was 7, racing, and the restaurants I might be down at the complex for 12 hours some days! I sorely miss the old grandstand though. There were a group of us on the 2nd floor on one end or the other and it had a gorgeous view of the track, had plenty of work space, easy access betting and concessions. I loved it. That's my spot though so I'll be there!

[TJDave]

This show can move very slowly but this week's episode, S2E9 was excellent. Made it worth the more tepid episodes. Would make great binge watching.

Love this show. IMO, better than BB.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Love this show. IMO, better than BB.

While it takes some time to get into a new show they layed a nice foundation to this one. I'm into it. And when you think about big picture BB was a school teacher and a stoner as the main characters. A crooked lawyer and hit man/ex cop has some bigger potential!

[Dave Schwartz]

This show can move very slowly but this week's episode, S2E9 was excellent. Made it worth the more tepid episodes. Would make great binge watching.

We watched it last night. It was probably the best episode in the 2 seasons.

[Robert Fischer]

We watched it last night. It was probably the best episode in the 2 seasons.

I 'binge watched' Breaking Bad a while back...
was a lot of fun. Probably the next best thing to reading a good book.

Dave, - you, Cincy, TJDave, RunForTheRoses, and others have piqued my interest in BCS.

Is this a show that would be much better watched from Episode 1 (cliff hangers / overlapping plot development etc...)?

[Rookies]

I 'binge watched' Breaking Bad a while back...
was a lot of fun. Probably the next best thing to reading a good book.

Dave, - you, Cincy, TJDave, RunForTheRoses, and others have piqued my interest in BCS.

Is this a show that would be much better watched from Episode 1 (cliff hangers / overlapping plot development etc...)?


Yes. Jimmy morphs over time and the old usual suspects from BB are slowly added.

[TJDave]

Anyone know if there's another episode? I'd be pissed if I had to wait a season to know whether Jimmy risks helping his brother of heads for the car.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Anyone know if there's another episode? I'd be pissed if I had to wait a season to know whether Jimmy risks helping his brother of heads for the car.

Season finale next week bubba.

[Rookies]

Season finale next week bubba.

Both Jimmy & Mike are the stars.

I wonder, whether thie next episode reveals Mike plugging Hector and that is the reason, he ends up in the chair in BB, with his little bell! ;)

[Valuist]

Both Jimmy & Mike are the stars.

I wonder, whether thie next episode reveals Mike plugging Hector and that is the reason, he ends up in the chair in BB, with his little bell! ;)

We would always refer to him as "Ring Ding" in BB. I think there's a good chance your suspicion will be confirmed.

[Robert Fischer]

Yes. Jimmy morphs over time and the old usual suspects from BB are slowly added.

Now I just need some free time :ThmbUp:

[cj]

Anyone know if there's another episode? I'd be pissed if I had to wait a season to know whether Jimmy risks helping his brother of heads for the car.

Previews indicate he probably helps, but a bit sketchy.

[RunForTheRoses]

Both Jimmy & Mike are the stars.

I wonder, whether thie next episode reveals Mike plugging Hector and that is the reason, he ends up in the chair in BB, with his little bell! ;)

I read elsewhere that Hector being in the wheelchair happened another way, possibly involving Gustavo Fring. I'm not at home or I'd post a link, supposedly Fring will make an appearance in episode 10, something about the letters in each episode title. Elsewhere I read he won't.

[RunForTheRoses]

Previews indicate he probably helps, but a bit sketchy.

I thought at first he would die but I read another believable comment that he's not ready yet, they need to cover his wife and how he got the somatic disease.

[RunForTheRoses]

Now I just need some free time :ThmbUp:

Yeah I mainly get the show via BitTorrent to find time, it's worth the indulgence.

[cj]

I read elsewhere that Hector being in the wheelchair happened another way, possibly involving Gustavo Fring. I'm not at home or I'd post a link, supposedly Fring will make an appearance in episode 10, something about the letters in each episode title. Elsewhere I read he won't.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/better-call-saul-season-2-finale-breaking-bad-connection-gustavo-fring-back-20160412

[maddog42]

While it takes some time to get into a new show they layed a nice foundation to this one. I'm into it. And when you think about big picture BB was a school teacher and a stoner as the main characters. A crooked lawyer and hit man/ex cop has some bigger potential!

While I really like Saul, I think Breaking Bad is one of the greatest TV shows of all time. It is Shakespearean in plot, tone and of course tragedy. And many critics agree.

[Rookies]

While I really like Saul, I think Breaking Bad is one of the greatest TV shows of all time. It is Shakespearean in plot, tone and of course tragedy. And many critics agree.

I suspect that part of the cult attraction, was because of the use of the magnificent/ metaphoric New Mex scenery, in virtually every episode. It was a brilliant hook.

[cj]

Hmmm...haven't watched yet but was just curious to see if anyone had commented on the finale. Guess it wasn't that good. :(

[Rookies]

Hmmm...haven't watched yet but was just curious to see if anyone had commented on the finale. Guess it wasn't that good. :(

Correct, sir!

Uninspiring and insipid. Jimmy Downer! :ThmbDown:

[MutuelClerk]

Yeah, I didn't care for the finale much either. Thought Mike would do more than he did. Although my hatred towards Jimmy's brother has escalated. Still enjoy the show, just wanted more of a cliffhanger.

[TJDave]

Although my hatred towards Jimmy's brother has escalated.

The opening scene was brutal.

I thought the finale was excellent. Not gonna give any away for those who haven't watched.

[ArlJim78]

I'm a very big fan of the show, but must admit that to me the recent finale was nothing special. I was expecting something more, some kind of twist, cliffhanger, etc.


anyone up for a Hoboken Squat Cobbler? :lol:

[kingfin66]

anyone up for a Hoboken Squat Cobbler? :lol:

Ewwww

[RunForTheRoses]

I agree it was a fairly weak season ending episode. The creators pretty much jerked the viewers around in several spots- from the opening scene to the issue with the transposition, when Ernie lied for Jimmy it seemed that was that. But no, it is not over. I realize the writers are hammering home that there is some extreme sibling rivalry and some bad blood (coupled with affection, at least on jimmy's part) but enough.
The Mike portion was ok with me though. Love shots of the beautiful southwest and enjoyed his dealing with the gun runner. And apparently it was Fring who left the note.

[cj]

Finale was just OK for me. We already knew Jimmy's brother it a total tool, how long are they going to drag it out. I don't mind the slow pace of the show but you expect more in the last episode.

[Valuist]

I thought they were going to kill off Chuck in the finale.

[TJDave]

I thought they were going to kill off Chuck in the finale.

Why would they do that? He's one of the best characters in the show.

This is NOT Breaking Bad II.

[RunForTheRoses]

Why would they do that? He's one of the best characters in the show.

This is NOT Breaking Bad II.

I wasn't expecting Chuck to be killed off, I realized this reafing it elsewhere, because there is still a lot to delve into that character-what happened to his wife, how he got the phobia to electricity. Mckean is doing great too. I did expect the show to move on at least a little though. Still a great show and the penultimate episode had a lot in it.

[Valuist]

Fring is in for season 3.

[FantasticDan]

Fring is in for season 3. :ThmbUp: :ThmbUp:

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[FantasticDan]

Season :3: premiere :10::00 Monday on AMC.

I glanced at a couple reviews of the first few eps, very positive :ThmbUp:

[PaceAdvantage]

I just set my DVR tonight...can't wait!

[CincyHorseplayer]

I'm down and have been watchin!

[JustRalph]

I hope it moves a little faster this season

[MutuelClerk]

Excited for tonight. Gus is back. Jimmy has to turn into Saul this season doesn't he?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Thanks for the reminder.

[cj]

Really glad this back, one of the best shows on television.

[PhantomOnTour]

As most Breaking Bad fans did, I tuned into Saul with great expectations...show is good but moves very very slowly.
Only new character I like is his girlfriend (Kim Wexler?). All the other folks at the McGill firm are quite boring in my opinion.

The show has been saved by the Breaking Bad characters (Mike Ehrmentrout and that Salamanca dude)....and it seems that people cannot wait for Gus to show up, which he's supposed to do this season.

Not meaning to rag on the show, but these short seasons and long waits are getting tiresome for me. That seems like the norm though

[kingfin66]

As most Breaking Bad fans did, I tuned into Saul with great expectations...show is good but moves very very slowly.
Only new character I like is his girlfriend (Kim Wexler?). All the other folks at the McGill firm are quite boring in my opinion.

The show has been saved by the Breaking Bad characters (Mike Ehrmentrout and that Salamanca dude)....and it seems that people cannot wait for Gus to show up, which he's supposed to do this season.

Not meaning to rag on the show, but these short seasons and long waits are getting tiresome for me. That seems like the norm though

Cable is not as beholden to the standard TV schedule that the networks are. As bad as the wait is, it is nowhere near what is encountered in waiting for HBO seasons.

I really wonder what happened to Kim and Chuck as neither of them were ever in Breaking Bad.

One of the neat things about the series is how it reference people and things that happened in Breaking Bad. My favorite such reference so far is that asshole whose car Walt blew up at the gas station. He appeared as the arrogant, aggressive investment guy in Season 2 (or was it 1?).

[johnhannibalsmith]

... My favorite such reference so far is that asshole whose car Walt blew up at the gas station. He appeared as the arrogant, aggressive investment guy in Season 2 (or was it 1?).

I completely overlooked that one.

In contrast with POT, I like almost all of the characters on the show in much the same way I did with Breaking Bad. Which is odd. Probably because they don't trip over themselves trying not to even hint at a potential stereotype.

Being as it is set, mostly, in law firms - the people in those roles have been great as stereotypes with individuality. The main slick lawyer there, he couldn't be any better with his chin-up, halting speech and Biff Skippington look. Jimmy's brother, the brilliant lawyer who pays a price for having a hyperactive brain that he can't quite harness into what it is meant for. The main guy from Jimmy's good firm gig and the fancy desk - the guy with the guitar that thinks himself some kind of salt of the earth quasi-hippy that goes through all these motions to convince himself that he really isn't 'the man'.

Everybody is really good and I can truly say that I'm thrilled that they brought back probably the best character in the original in Mike the cop, yet have thus far shown great restraint trying to exploit those characters in the new show.

[RunForTheRoses]

Still moving at a glacial pace. Maybe even slowed down. The opening sequence was interesting but...they are starting to test the audiences patience. Maybe it is just a first episode tease and Saul will soon be Sauling in all his glory, you would think there would be plenty for the writers to work with at a crazed speed.

[Elliott Sidewater]

Still moving at a glacial pace. Maybe even slowed down. The opening sequence was interesting but...they are starting to test the audiences patience. Maybe it is just a first episode tease and Saul will soon be Sauling in all his glory, you would think there would be plenty for the writers to work with at a crazed speed.
Patience, it will heat up soon I'm sure. True, the action in BB was faster and more frantic, but this is a different story and what BCS lacks in fierceness is compensated for with comedy. I'm confident it will be worth watching, I recorded S3 EP1 and will watch it later today. My only complaint is a small one; that Jimmy's brother looks old enough to be his father. But I think the characters and casting is great.

When the weather flat out sucked in the greater Philadelphia area, I binge watched Breaking Bad and the first 2 seasons of Better Call Saul, and had a great time doing it.

[JustRalph]

Still moving at a glacial pace. Maybe even slowed down. The opening sequence was interesting but...they are starting to test the audiences patience. Maybe it is just a first episode tease and Saul will soon be Sauling in all his glory, you would think there would be plenty for the writers to work with at a crazed speed.

Too damn slow.

[Valuist]

I thought the pace was an issue in the first 3-4 episodes of season 1. Then it picked up, and I thought it wasn't an issue in season 2.

I have recorded last night's episode, but haven't seen it yet so I can't comment.

[Valuist]

Rumors are that Gus Fring makes his first appearance in tonight's episode.

[kingfin66]

And the rumors were true!

[MutuelClerk]

I nearly fell asleep. This show is starting to move way too slow. Do they have a Red Zone version?

[RunForTheRoses]

Just watched episode 2 it was OK, the show makes for binge watching.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Just watched episode 2 it was OK, the show makes for binge watching.

I've got to agree. I can see where all the 'too slow' comments come from watching it weekly. Pretty sure I watched the first two seasons in about a day and a half and for a lot of reasons, including pace, it seems way more enjoyable when it isn't cropped down into an hour every seven days. But, I felt almost the exact same way about Breaking Bad too so maybe I just don't like episodic much any more.

[JustRalph]

They should spin off Jon Banks.

He's always been awesome. Anybody who was on TJ Hooker is good in my book :lol:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0052186/?ref_=tt_cl_t5

[kingfin66]

I recall Eddie Murphy tossing him into the buffet in the first Beverly Hills Cop movie. I agree that he is a very good actor. It seem as though Better Call Saul is as much about Mike as it is about Jimmy. I've never been a cop or an investigator, but it seems like he captures the essence of a stakeout; preparation and patience. Great actor :ThmbUp:

[cj]

They should spin off Jon Banks.

He's always been awesome. Anybody who was on TJ Hooker is good in my book :lol:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0052186/?ref_=tt_cl_t5

Only problem, of course, is he died on Breaking Bad. Maybe a prequel to the prequel when he was a cop in Philly? But he's too old I guess. That would be good.

[PaceAdvantage]

They should spin off Jon Banks.

He's always been awesome. Anybody who was on TJ Hooker is good in my book :lol:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0052186/?ref_=tt_cl_t5Agree completely...except for maybe the TJ Hooker sentiment...:lol:

[barahona44]

They should spin off Jon Banks.

He's always been awesome. Anybody who was on TJ Hooker is good in my book :lol:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0052186/?ref_=tt_cl_t5

Fondly remembered as Ken Wahl's FBI handler in the "Wiseguy" series in the late 80's.

[FantasticDan]

I've got to agree. I can see where all the 'too slow' comments come from watching it weekly.
On "Talking Saul", show creator Vince Gilligan said that they considered jumping the story ahead with a new season, but they decided otherwise because they would "miss too much good stuff".

I think it probably has more to do with having a :6: season series than a :4: $$:cool:

[johnhannibalsmith]

For the record, I don't mind the pace of the shows themselves. But I can appreciate those that do largely because the pace of one show a week just seems to damn infrequent for the pace of the episodes. Okay, so maybe there isn't any real difference in what I'm saying but... I agree and disagree with myself.

[FantasticDan]

One thing's for sure, the show is a must DVR record for FF purposes.. the commercial padding is brutal. :ThmbDown:

[RunForTheRoses]

One thing's for sure, the show is a must DVR record for FF purposes.. the commercial padding is brutal. :ThmbDown:



Yeah I have AMC but, except for the first episode this year I get via bittorrent

[JustRalph]

One thing's for sure, the show is a must DVR record for FF purposes.. the commercial padding is brutal. :ThmbDown:

Amen! I rarely watch anything live anymore. My DVR has 16 tuners.......no reason to ever watch a commercial

[Murph]

For the record, I don't mind the pace of the shows themselves. But I can appreciate those that do largely because the pace of one show a week just seems to damn infrequent for the pace of the episodes. Okay, so maybe there isn't any real difference in what I'm saying but... I agree and disagree with myself.
Nah, you got this one. Binge is the way to go. Real new age stuff.

[RunForTheRoses]

Most recent episode was very good. Mike rules. Viva Fring.

Does anyone watch Billions? If you don't you should check it out. Latest episode was awesome.

[cj]

Most recent episode was very good. Mike rules. Viva Fring.

Does anyone watch Billions? If you don't you should check it out. Latest episode was awesome.

I liked it as well. Billions on Showtime? If so I'll have to wait.

[HoofedInTheChest]

Does anyone watch Billions? If you don't you should check it out. Latest episode was awesome.
I’ve been watching it from day one, it’s a pretty good series. Damien Lewis is a solid actor, i really liked him in The Band of Brothers.

[RunForTheRoses]

I like Bart Giamotti's son, Paul. he was great in Sideways and Private Parts. They throw in real stuff like Preet bharaara and hedge fund kings. It is *almost* too over the top.

[Longshot6977]

Just watched S3 EP5 titled Chicanery. Jimmy is one smart cookie! Can't wait 'till next week to see how this storyline with Jimmy and Chuck advances as well as Mike's and the cartel.

[MutuelClerk]

Started real slow this year. Last couple episodes have really picked up. Do you think we see the transformation this season? Or will they drag it out?

[Longshot6977]

Started real slow this year. Last couple episodes have really picked up. Do you think we see the transformation this season? Or will they drag it out?

Looks like we're slowly seeing it now with Gus and the chicken store and the cartel guys. Maybe next season we'll see an episode with Walter White and Jessie.

[PaceAdvantage]

I can't wait for the next episode.

[cj]

In the middle of watching Monday's episode and really glad to see Huell make an appearance!

[johnhannibalsmith]

In the middle of watching Monday's episode and really glad to see Huell make an appearance!

The only downside is that the moment you saw him, you just knew how the rest of the hearing with Chuck on the stand was going to go. :D

[cj]

The only downside is that the moment you saw him, you just knew how the rest of the hearing with Chuck on the stand was going to go. :D

Yeah, that was a gimme, but it almost made it good because you knew Chuck was hanging himself. I can't think of a character a TV series has made me dislike more than Chuck.

[PhantomOnTour]

Yeah, that was a gimme, but it almost made it good because you knew Chuck was hanging himself. I can't think of a character a TV series has made me dislike more than Chuck.

I second that emotion...he's a major league p**ck

[FantasticDan]

I just worry about what's gonna happen to Kim after all this. That poor girl deserves better. :pout:

[PhantomOnTour]

I just worry about what's gonna happen to Kim after all this. That poor girl deserves better. :pout:

She, on the other hand, is fantastic...why she's with Jimmy I'll never know.
But Chuck is a multiple Grade 1 winning a-hole...lolol

[JustRalph]

Michael McKean deserves an Emmy for his work this season.

The fact he is hated as that character is proof positive of his acting ability. Bravo!

[RunForTheRoses]

I agree Squiggy or was it Lenny, did a great acting job. The character dug his own hole, he turned up the heat so much that Jimmy really had only one choice other than sitting back and taking it. Jimmy had to take down Chuck.

I'm predicting Chuck ain't long for this earth. In the fallout Kim must part with Jimmy. Kim is a great character too.

[Valuist]

Last night, we saw the return of the "Stevia loving sociopath" Lydia. Hopefully not her last appearance.

I agree with Ralph re: McKean.

[PhantomOnTour]

Besides Jimmy's girlfriend, brother, and that A-hole who used to be Kim's boss at the law firm...basically every other character is from Breaking Bad :ThmbDown:

Mike
Gus
Lydia the Stevia bi**h
Salamanca
son of Salamanca
Don Eladio
the big dude who put the battery in Chuck's pocket (Ewell Babineaux)

who am I forgetting?

[RunForTheRoses]

Besides Jimmy's girlfriend, brother, and that A-hole who used to be Kim's boss at the law firm...basically every other character is from Breaking Bad :ThmbDown:

Mike
Gus
Lydia the Stevia bi**h
Salamanca
son of Salamanca
Don Eladio
the big dude who put the battery in Chuck's pocket (Ewell Babineaux)

who am I forgetting?

The Receptionist, Francesca.

[kingfin66]

Besides Jimmy's girlfriend, brother, and that A-hole who used to be Kim's boss at the law firm...basically every other character is from Breaking Bad :ThmbDown:

Mike
Gus
Lydia the Stevia bi**h
Salamanca
son of Salamanca
Don Eladio
the big dude who put the battery in Chuck's pocket (Ewell Babineaux)

who am I forgetting?

Was Nacho in Breaking Bad? I don't remember him.

[cj]

Was Nacho in Breaking Bad? I don't remember him.


He was allegedly referenced early in Season 1 (Ignacio) of Breaking Bad but never appeared.

[cj]

http://uproxx.com/tv/the-main-villain-from-better-call-saul-is-also-a-callback-to-breaking-bad/

[Valuist]

The writers going into painstaking details to develop characters may have backfired. Ratings are down around 70% from season one. They may have bottomed, as they've been up a little the past few weeks. If they are renewed for season 4, they better go with all their heavy artillery or there won't be a season 5.

[JustRalph]

I fast forward through it now

[Elliott Sidewater]

I'm still enjoying BCS but now it seems like that is a minority view. Maybe, as horseplayers, we are accustomed to things happening a lot faster than they seem to be moving on the show, but it doesn't bother me. I'm still fascinated with the main characters and look forward to Monday night at 10 PM. The only thing that takes TV precedence is a 7th game in the NBA or NHL playoffs, especially the latter.

[PaceAdvantage]

I'm still enjoying BCS but now it seems like that is a minority view. Maybe, as horseplayers, we are accustomed to things happening a lot faster than they seem to be moving on the show, but it doesn't bother me. I'm still fascinated with the main characters and look forward to Monday night at 10 PM. The only thing that takes TV precedence is a 7th game in the NBA or NHL playoffs, especially the latter.I'm with you...

[Valuist]

It's interesting that there's an Armentrout (or something spelled very similar) on Fargo, which seemed to be taken from Better Call Saul, and we find out on BCS, Nacho's last name is Varga, which happens to be the last name of the villain character this season on Fargo.

[cj]

I'm with you...

Ditto, I still think it is great. I don't mind the pace of the show, I mind having to wait a week for the next one!

[Longshot6977]

Ditto, I still think it is great. I don't mind the pace of the show, I mind having to wait a week for the next one!

FYI, I think next episode is June 5, darn holiday, lol.

[kingfin66]

I appreciate the fact that Gilligan is not simply trying to turn the series into Breaking Bad 2. He is using a lot of character development and tons of symbolism. My sons put me onto the fact that the Exit signs were intended for Chuck and signified his impending exit from Hamlin Hamlin & McGill.

[RunForTheRoses]

https://m.imgur.com/r/betterCallSaul/B6kBO

[RunForTheRoses]

There's a torrent making the rounds of S3E8 if anyone has access to such things and like me can't wait. It has Spanish subs hard wired into it. No spoilers but it is a good episode.

[Longshot6977]

So who thinks Chuck will just sit there in the fire for a while? He burnt his house down to cover up (and get insurance money) for the ridiculous damage he did to his new remodeling. They showed him pulling some wires from the wall and I wonder if they had anything to do with the electric meter continuing to run. Maybe he'll just sit there until the fire dept saves him. Maybe he'll just die in the fire since we never hear him mentioned in Breaking Bad. But his kicking the table until the lantern fell off certainly can be summed up that it was an "accident" by the investigators that caused the fire and not done on purpose. He's a smart guy, but a loose cannon. Can't wait until season 4.

[JustRalph]

They're nuts if they pick it up for another season

[cj]

They're nuts if they pick it up for another season

I thought this season was pretty good, but it really needs to pick up the pace.

[JustRalph]

I thought this season was pretty good, but it really needs to pick up the pace.

Notice Jon Banks was completely missing from final episode? It's down over 35% in the ratings.........rarely does that inspire a pickup. I noticed we got to see a little more of Kim. Literally.

[johnhannibalsmith]

So who thinks Chuck will just sit there in the fire for a while? He burnt his house down to cover up (and get insurance money) for the ridiculous damage he did to his new remodeling. They showed him pulling some wires from the wall and I wonder if they had anything to do with the electric meter continuing to run. Maybe he'll just sit there until the fire dept saves him. Maybe he'll just die in the fire since we never hear him mentioned in Breaking Bad. But his kicking the table until the lantern fell off certainly can be summed up that it was an "accident" by the investigators that caused the fire and not done on purpose. He's a smart guy, but a loose cannon. Can't wait until season 4.

I forgot that it was on but luckily had the DVR set and waited and waited until I was sure it was over and the credits were on to even look so I could (rewind - almost really typed it) start it from the beginning. Of course, I knew before I watched it that someone (most likely chuck) had killed himself. There was a suicide prevention hotline and message on the screen right as I stopped it at the end of credits. I can't help but feel pretty confident that he just couldn't take knowing he was mad.

[FantasticDan]

It was a solid season that I mostly enjoyed, but the plot line in the last couple episodes with desperate Jimmy playing social-politics with the old ladies was really dopey, and left me with a bad taste.

And I'm not shedding any tears losing Chuck, as much I liked Michael McKeon in the role. It was time.

[MutuelClerk]

If Chuck passes, Jimmy will remember his last words to him. Maybe that brings out Saul. I agree with CJ, pick up the pace.

[RunForTheRoses]

I still like this show somewhat but it really has become a show about nothing. Rhea Seehorn was looking good this episode, that was a positive. The whole senior shenanigans, played up real cute with the mall walking and other stuff was a drag. All that time spent and then he reverses what he's done, I guess going back to good Jimmy, was a waste of time that whole thing.
Even the Nacho scene is being real dragged out, it is just a TV Show, why drag it out, have some action.
I thought Chuck was dead at the end, who knows, maybe they'll drag that out too.

[Valuist]

I've been watching, but have to believe where they are now, after three seasons, they could've easily accomplished the same in two seasons.

[RunForTheRoses]

After reading Reddit BCS I realize I missed so much. Telltale Heart and Ray Bradbury, I turned off before the suicide prevention notice, obviously Chuck is gone.

[JustRalph]

Mckeon deserves an Emmy

[Valuist]

Season 4 will return on August 6th.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Season 4 will return on August 6th.

Thanks! :ThmbUp:

[boxcar]

Season 4 will return on August 6th.

Did the series get any better after the first season? I barely could sit through it. Afterwards, I tuned the series out.

[Valuist]

Did the series get any better after the first season? I barely could sit through it. Afterwards, I tuned the series out.

I think it did. They did take a long time to develop the characters. Maybe too long. But last season was good, IMO. Jimmy is transforming into Saul.

[johnhannibalsmith]

If you did not like the first season I would be surprised if you liked the subsequent seasons a whole lot more. It isn't like they started solving crimes with crazed drug lords and big plot twists. It's still a pretty slow show, but I enjoy it regardless.

[boxcar]

Slow is right. For me, a story has to move at a good pace to keep my interest, otherwise I get bored easily. I will take a pass on the other seasons.

Thanks for the update, gents.

[PhantomOnTour]

August?!
I've forgotten everything by now anyways

[FantasticDan]

Looking forward to the new season. :ThmbUp:

Meanwhile, here's a great old Odenkirk sketch from Mr Show..

Warning: Naughty language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_IYrltqYrU

[PaceAdvantage]

I'll be watching...

[Valuist]

August?!
I've forgotten everything by now anyways

Season 3 should be on On Demand and/or Netflix.

[horses4courses]

I like the show a lot and will be watching.

For me, the relationships between Jimmy and his brother,
plus Jimmy's fixer character Mike Erhmantraut, are the
most interesting subplots.

Fun show :ThmbUp:

[Longshot6977]

FYI- It's starting right now at 9pm on AMC. :jump:

[RunForTheRoses]

Was a pretty good episode although i forget exactly why Mike was doing what he was doing unless it had no earlier tieback. I should at least skim through the past season if I ever find the time.

[FantasticDan]

Was a pretty good episode although i forget exactly why Mike was doing what he was doing unless it had no earlier tieback. I should at least skim through the past season if I ever find the time.Mike stole about $250K from Hector Salamanca (the truck heist in the desert), and he approached Gus to help him launder it.

Gus gave Mike the title of "security consultant" at Madrigal Electromotive (the parent company of Gus' Los Pollos Hermanos restaurants), and that's the company Mike's money is being laundered through.

After receiving his first "paycheck" from Madrigal, Mike decided to earn it by actually doing a security evaluation of the company.. :D :ThmbUp:

[JustRalph]

Mike stole about $250K from Hector Salamanca (the truck heist in the desert), and he approached Gus to help him launder it.

Gus gave Mike the title of "security consultant" at Madrigal Electromotive (the parent company of Gus' Los Pollos Hermanos restaurants), and that's the company Mike's money is being laundered through.

After receiving his first "paycheck" from Madrigal, Mike decided to earn it by actually doing a security evaluation of the company.. :D :ThmbUp:

I thought that was hysterical when Mike starting chewing that guys ass:lol:

[RunForTheRoses]

Mike stole about $250K from Hector Salamanca (the truck heist in the desert), and he approached Gus to help him launder it.

Gus gave Mike the title of "security consultant" at Madrigal Electromotive (the parent company of Gus' Los Pollos Hermanos restaurants), and that's the company Mike's money is being laundered through.

After receiving his first "paycheck" from Madrigal, Mike decided to earn it by actually doing a security evaluation of the company.. :D :ThmbUp:


Danke, that is funny.

[AltonKelsey]

forgot about that storyline, thanks for the fill in

[Dave Schwartz]

Mike stole about $250K from Hector Salamanca (the truck heist in the desert), and he approached Gus to help him launder it.

Gus gave Mike the title of "security consultant" at Madrigal Electromotive (the parent company of Gus' Los Pollos Hermanos restaurants), and that's the company Mike's money is being laundered through.

After receiving his first "paycheck" from Madrigal, Mike decided to earn it by actually doing a security evaluation of the company.. :D :ThmbUp:

Thanks!

We just watched that today and didn't remember the last part.

[Valuist]

They could've named the opener "How Hector Became Ring Ding".

Gus is such a great character. So calm with a Zen like presence, but capable of extreme acts of violence like we saw late in last night's episode.

[Dave Schwartz]

They could've named the opener "How Hector Became Ring Ding".

Gus is such a great character. So calm with a Zen like presence, but capable of extreme acts of violence like we saw late in last night's episode.

Los Pollos Hermanos Employee Training with Gus Fring

[Valuist]

Los Pollos Hermanos Employee Training with Gus Fring (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQPG8cnwujA)

What an overachiever that Fring guy is. Works so hard at his chicken restaurants and still has time for a multi-million dollar business on the side.

[RunForTheRoses]

Mike is one crazy ass MFer.

[MutuelClerk]

Mike is why I watch.

[JustRalph]

Mike is why I watch.

Me too.........

[Valuist]

The finale was pretty good. I do think they could've taken 4 seasons and probably condensed into two. While they would develop the characters in Breaking Bad, they seem to magnify it by a power of 10 in BCS. But I did think the finale was good. I'm guessing season 5 will be the end.

[JustRalph]

If the whole season moved along like the last two episodes, it would be better.

[FantasticDan]

I could watch these characters mow the lawn.. and if they also fertilized, it might actually be more interesting than much of this season :p

I haven't seen the finale yet.. :popcorn:

[cj]

I thought the end was great. It will be interesting to see if next season is the last one. Feels like they could wrap it up in one more.

[Valuist]

This news today.....

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/breaking-bad-film-sequel-reportedly-in-the-works

[RunForTheRoses]

https://www.tvinsider.com/811132/better-call-saul-season-5-wrap-ending/

[RunForTheRoses]

https://news.avclub.com/better-call-sauls-fifth-season-finally-has-a-premiere-d-1839961290

[RunForTheRoses]

Let the games begin

https://youtu.be/quC2GkURViU

[RunForTheRoses]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBY8_J_1FcY

[PhantomOnTour]

They made us wait long enough...better be a hell of a season

[TJDave]

I bought the season and will watch it delayed.

I guess I’ll have to delay reading this thread. ;)

[Valuist]

I bought the season and will watch it delayed.

I guess I’ll have to delay reading this thread. ;)

Recording it is the way to watch it. Episode one of this season was good, IMO, but glad I DVR'd it to fast forward thru the many commercials. Episode two is tonight and once again I will record and watch later.

[RunForTheRoses]

Recording it is the way to watch it. Episode one of this season was good, IMO, but glad I DVR'd it to fast forward thru the many commercials. Episode two is tonight and once again I will record and watch later.

Binge watching is the way to go. I just finished season 1, this is such a great show (and maybe not binge watched, ashow ortwo a night). A lot of nuance, I know the feeling was it goes so slow, but to Gilligan's credit they don't rest on their laurels and just show crazy Saul (also recently re-watched BB season 2 episode 8, that is classic fast talking Saul) but tell a whole new story.

I have AMC but have to wake early for work and get via bittorent. About to settle in in S501.

[classhandicapper]

I just got into Breaking Bad. I'm up to season 4. I love that show. I'll have to binge watch this next.

[JustRalph]

Anybody else recognize the white cop at the drain pipe?

Could swear he used to work for TVG?

[mountainman]

superior show. mike, by far, is my favorite character.

[Valuist]

Binge watching is the way to go. I just finished season 1, this is such a great show (and maybe not binge watched, ashow ortwo a night). A lot of nuance, I know the feeling was it goes so slow, but to Gilligan's credit they don't rest on their laurels and just show crazy Saul (also recently re-watched BB season 2 episode 8, that is classic fast talking Saul) but tell a whole new story.

I have AMC but have to wake early for work and get via bittorent. About to settle in in S501.

I can't binge watch. Two episodes of any show is the most I can stay sitting and watch. I'd go crazy watching the same show all day although I know a lot of people do that.

[Valuist]

superior show. mike, by far, is my favorite character.

Mike is great, as are Gus and Nacho. Least favorite? For me it's probably Kim.

[JustRalph]

Still a little slow.

Kim would have dumped his ass by now, in real life.

I think they are so restrained by the prequel thing it’s hurting them this far into the story. I am still liking it though...

[FantasticDan]

Still a little slow.
I haven't watched the new yet, but it's hard to imagine it could be slower than the previous season :sleeping:

But I agree about Kim. She's awesome and deserves way better :ThmbUp:

[horses4courses]

I watched all of Breaking Bad in recent months.
Had seen all of Saul before that, but now it all fits.

It does move slowly much of the time - that's a plus.

[Valuist]

Don't watch it in real time. AMC loads up the episodes with commercials and the fast forward button on the remote very handy.

Having said that, it was good seeing Hank in the show. One of the classic scenes in Breaking Bad is when Hank is sitting on the toilet and the light bulb finally goes on. Walter IS Heisenberg and it may have taken a long time, but Hank did piece it together.

Another great scene is in the next episode or two, Hank and Walter are in the garage and Walt tells him "if I'm really the person you think I am, do you really want to f-k with me?"

[RunForTheRoses]

Don't watch it in real time. AMC loads up the episodes with commercials and the fast forward button on the remote very handy.

Having said that, it was good seeing Hank in the show. One of the classic scenes in Breaking Bad is when Hank is sitting on the toilet and the light bulb finally goes on. Walter IS Heisenberg and it may have taken a long time, but Hank did piece it together.

Another great scene is in the next episode or two, Hank and Walter are in the garage and Walt tells him "if I'm really the person you think I am, do you really want to f-k with me?"

Hank and Gomie need to be there as it pertains to the Krazy 8 story but their repartee with the insults is getting a little tired in BCS5. Hank was a great character in BB, in the beginning I had some reservations about him but it was shown he was a great guy. It was WW who turned out rotten.

Water White won the filly stake at AQU Saturday, would have been a good hunch play as it paid good.

BCS5 ep 4 was a strange one. Saul/Jimmys bowling ball act seems a little over the top. The key this season is where Kim ends up.

Also crazy is Mike's dark turn.

[Valuist]

Hank and Gomie need to be there as it pertains to the Krazy 8 story but their repartee with the insults is getting a little tired in BCS5. Hank was a great character in BB, in the beginning I had some reservations about him but it was shown he was a great guy. It was WW who turned out rotten.

Water White won the filly stake at AQU Saturday, would have been a good hunch play as it paid good.

BCS5 ep 4 was a strange one. Saul/Jimmys bowling ball act seems a little over the top. The key this season is where Kim ends up.

Also crazy is Mike's dark turn.

Gotta believe Kim ends up in Tucumcari.

[PhantomOnTour]

Tonight's episode was good, but damn this show moves slowly. Only two episodes left in the season, and Lord knows how long we'll have to wait for next season.

I guess the question will all want the answer to is:
How does Kim exit the picture?
Tonight made me think the cartel is going to take her on a one way trip out to the desert. She knows too much and is of no value to them.
Jimmy messed up

[Longshot6977]

Yeah, as soon as I saw Kim meet with Lalo, I thought this was not gonna end well for her. And Mike even said to Saul in the desert that Kim is now 'friends' with the cartel simply because Saul told her what he was doing out there. Mike knows they have no need for her.
But I didn't understand something, why was Mike in the desert following the cartel/Saul if he knew Saul was getting the money? Why didn't he just meet the brothers himself at the well? Maybe that's the way Gus wanted it to go down. Anyway, a lot should happen in the last two episodes.

[RunForTheRoses]

Very good episode. Awesome cinematography. And Kim (and Jimmy) really Fed up.

[JustRalph]

Stupid episode. Wasted all that time with Mike n Jimmy in the desert

I don’t know how Mike killing those guys moves the story forward...all it did was prove Jimmy was stupid to pick up the cash

[PhantomOnTour]

Yeah, as soon as I saw Kim meet with Lalo, I thought this was not gonna end well for her. And Mike even said to Saul in the desert that Kim is now 'friends' with the cartel simply because Saul told her what he was doing out there. Mike knows they have no need for her.
But I didn't understand something, why was Mike in the desert following the cartel/Saul if he knew Saul was getting the money? Why didn't he just meet the brothers himself at the well? Maybe that's the way Gus wanted it to go down. Anyway, a lot should happen in the last two episodes.

Good point.

[FantasticDan]

But I didn't understand something, why was Mike in the desert following the cartel/Saul if he knew Saul was getting the money? Why didn't he just meet the brothers himself at the well? Maybe that's the way Gus wanted it to go down. Anyway, a lot should happen in the last two episodes.
I didn't understand any of it. Who were the guys robbing the $7M? Obviously they were tipped off by the guy making the phone call at the $$ location, but who were they? Gus' guys? Another crew?

How did Mike know exactly where Jimmy was gonna get robbed, and was all set up in his sniper position?

And they COULDN'T have been Gus' crew, cuz why would Mike take them all out and then hide?

I'm not always paying the closest attention but this all seems pretty convoluted..

[RunForTheRoses]

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/better-call-saul-vince-gilligan-recap-episode-8-1234572360/

Who are those thieves? How are they connected to the Salamancas?
They are cartel-adjacent. In the teaser, you see the middle-aged gentleman who seems to be in charge of “Salamanca treasure cave” as we called it — that warehouse filled with exotic cars and then thousands of pounds of cash and the counting room and all that. He seems to be in charge of the facility, and at the end of that teaser seems to be ratting out the cousins. To who, Peter, Gordon and the writers know but I don’t think we have established that yet for the audience.

[kingfin66]

I don't think Kim will be killed. I think Ed at the vacuum e will help her dissappear. That 100k that Jimmy earned will be the source of payment.

[FantasticDan]

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/better-call-saul-vince-gilligan-recap-episode-8-1234572360/

Who are those thieves? How are they connected to the Salamancas?
They are cartel-adjacent. In the teaser, you see the middle-aged gentleman who seems to be in charge of “Salamanca treasure cave” as we called it — that warehouse filled with exotic cars and then thousands of pounds of cash and the counting room and all that. He seems to be in charge of the facility, and at the end of that teaser seems to be ratting out the cousins. To who, Peter, Gordon and the writers know but I don’t think we have established that yet for the audience.

Thanks for that, at least it kind of explains who the robbers were.

So not only did Mike know when and where exactly Jimmy was going to pick up the money, he also apparently knew he was gonna be robbed, and where exactly on the "30 mile" dirt road the robbery would go down..

Ehh..

[JustRalph]

I didn't understand any of it. Who were the guys robbing the $7M? Obviously they were tipped off by the guy making the phone call at the $$ location, but who were they? Gus' guys? Another crew?

How did Mike know exactly where Jimmy was gonna get robbed, and was all set up in his sniper position?

And they COULDN'T have been Gus' crew, cuz why would Mike take them all out and then hide?

I'm not always paying the closest attention but this all seems pretty convoluted..

Ding! They are reaching. Perfect explanation :ThmbUp:

[thezeeman333]

I didn't understand any of it. Who were the guys robbing the $7M? Obviously they were tipped off by the guy making the phone call at the $$ location, but who were they? Gus' guys? Another crew?

How did Mike know exactly where Jimmy was gonna get robbed, and was all set up in his sniper position?

And they COULDN'T have been Gus' crew, cuz why would Mike take them all out and then hide?

I'm not always paying the closest attention but this all seems pretty convoluted..

If you noticed after Mike killed all the guys who were going to kill Saul, he went to Saul's car and took off the gas cap. Mike put a tracker in the gas cap of Saul's car like he did in previous episodes.

[RunForTheRoses]

If you noticed after Mike killed all the guys who were going to kill Saul, he went to Saul's car and took off the gas cap. Mike put a tracker in the gas cap of Saul's car like he did in previous episodes.

Yes, was about to post this.

[Valuist]

They are moving at the pace of a NYRA two turn grass race. About 50 and change for the half.

Do we really need two full minutes camera time focusing on Gus changing in the hotel room? Do we need most a full episode of Saul and Mike trudging thru the brush of New Mexico? They could've condensed 4.5 seasons into about 2 and not diluted the quality.

[kingfin66]

If you noticed after Mike killed all the guys who were going to kill Saul, he went to Saul's car and took off the gas cap. Mike put a tracker in the gas cap of Saul's car like he did in previous episodes.

Did he put it in or did he take it out?

[horses4courses]

Is the next episode of BCS the last one ever?
Or, just for this season.

We all know Kim didn't appear in Breaking Bad.
Any theories on what will happen next Monday?

[JustRalph]

Tired of it

[RunForTheRoses]

Hope nobody is complaining about that last great episode.

[RunForTheRoses]

Hope nobody is complaining about that last great episode.

Had a gif where u can see the jump...

https://ew.com/tv/better-call-saul-rhea-seehorn-kim-lalo-scene/

[FantasticDan]

Hope nobody is complaining about that last great episode.
Ehh.. I really didn't buy Lalo not being to let it go, and going all the way back to confront Jimmy. Just screamed plot contrivance to me. Just an excuse for a tense scene with no other purpose than to make the audience worry about Kim, especially after she lost her cool..

Also, when a concerned Mike told Jimmy in the car that he needed to "work on your story".. and then the story is just "my car broke down"?

Jimmy could and should have come up with something better, but again.. plot contrivance. Just a means to the end, tense scene.

[cj]

Is the next episode of BCS the last one ever?
Or, just for this season.

We all know Kim didn't appear in Breaking Bad.
Any theories on what will happen next Monday?

Just for the season I would think, if was series finale they would hype it through the roof.

[horses4courses]

Just for the season I would think, if was series finale they would hype it through the roof.

Thanks.
Kim will likely be around for the next season.

The whole deal is getting a bit monotonous.
Difficult to see them pulling the plot together sufficiently.
The only way they hype this up in future would be a cameo by Walter White.

[JustRalph]

Ehh.. I really didn't buy Lalo not being to let it go, and going all the way back to confront Jimmy. Just screamed plot contrivance to me. Just an excuse for a tense scene with no other purpose than to make the audience worry about Kim, especially after she lost her cool..

Also, when a concerned Mike told Jimmy in the car that he needed to "work on your story".. and then the story is just "my car broke down"?

Jimmy could and should have come up with something better, but again.. plot contrivance. Just a means to the end, tense scene.

Excellent analysis. Ditto

[cj]

Thanks.
Kim will likely be around for the next season.

The whole deal is getting a bit monotonous.
Difficult to see them pulling the plot together sufficiently.
The only way they hype this up in future would be a cameo by Walter White.

I suspect that is going to happen, could even be how the series ends.

[RunForTheRoses]

FYI Kim is from Nebraska, Gene is at a Cinnabon in Omaha. Nomasayin'

[FantasticDan]

FYI Kim is from Nebraska, Gene is at a Cinnabon in Omaha. Nomasayin'
Yep, I think it would be foolish to kill off Kim in the past and not have her figure into Jimmy's present, assuming the series turns there in the final season. The story so far has nearly been about her as much as Jimmy, and I hope she'll be there next season..

[TJDave]

The show hasn’t been worth watching since they got rid of Chuck. And I don’t care much for Kim either. They missed a golden opportunity to kill her off at the apartment. THAT would have kept my interest.

[FantasticDan]

The show hasn’t been worth watching since they got rid of Chuck. And I don’t care much for Kim either. They missed a golden opportunity to kill her off at the apartment. THAT would have kept my interest.
Booo! Kim rules :)

[TJDave]

Booo! Kim rules :)

Blindly in love with a loser who corrupts her at every turn. A weak character. Only time I enjoyed her was when she helped Jimmy with a con.

[FantasticDan]

Blindly in love with a loser who corrupts her at every turn. A weak character. Only time I enjoyed her was when she helped Jimmy with a con.Ugh, you don't get Kim at all. Booo! :)

[TJDave]

Ugh, you don't get Kim at all. Booo! :)

OK, you explain her for me.

[FantasticDan]

OK, you explain her for me.
Well if after all these seasons your only estimation of Jimmy is he's a loser, and Kim is weak for being corrupted by him, is there even a point?

They're both brilliant.. flawed.. damaged. It's a tragic love story. I just really enjoy her character, all credit to Rhea Seehorn's performance.

[Valuist]

An improved episode this past week, IMO. The show had really underperformed for much of its run. Its great in glimpses. Hoping the finale is strong.

[FakeNameChanged]

An improved episode this past week, IMO. The show had really underperformed for much of its run. Its great in glimpses. Hoping the finale is strong.

I actually think it picked up steam this year over last year. And Fring is more of a hard-ass in this one than in Breaking Bad. Mike has been one of my favorite character actors since Wise Guy. I also think Lalo's intensity has added to this year. Hoping that crazy Tuco is back on next year for the finale.

[FantasticDan]

I actually think it picked up steam this year over last year.Yeah.. I’m all for slow burn, but last season was snooze-city :sleeping:

[horses4courses]

Well if after all these seasons your only estimation of Jimmy is he's a loser, and Kim is weak for being corrupted by him, is there even a point?

They're both brilliant.. flawed.. damaged. It's a tragic love story. I just really enjoy her character, all credit to Rhea Seehorn's performance.

Fair analysis, but I can't agree about Jimmy.
His money grubbing in Breaking Bad should have killed him or,
at best, put him in prison for a very long time. How did he get to that point?

Whatever the outcome in Better Call Saul, without Kim, Jimmy is a loser.

You are correct that both characters are complex and flawed.
Good stuff :ThmbUp:

Early on in this story, the relationship between Jimmy and brother, Chuck,
was the main draw. I enjoyed their sparring a lot.

[kingfin66]

I actually think it picked up steam this year over last year. And Fring is more of a hard-ass in this one than in Breaking Bad. Mike has been one of my favorite character actors since Wise Guy. I also think Lalo's intensity has added to this year. Hoping that crazy Tuco is back on next year for the finale.

Did you know that it was Mike (Jonathan Banks) who gets tossed into the salad bar by Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop. He has had a long career.

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/entertainment/movies/2019/12/04/beverly-hills-cop-35-clip-eddie-murphy-axel-foley-tosses-zack/2608745001/

[kingfin66]

That final scene last night was intense. We know that Kim did not appear in Breaking Bad, so we assume that she will be killed off. Last night could have been the night, yet Mike was there with the site on Lalo. It was hard to tell if Lalo was suspecting Jimmy or trying to figure out who tried to rob him. Or, maybe it was a little of both.

One plot hole: Why, if Gus was sending some flat beds to clean things up at the ambush site, would they not have also picked up Jimmy's car too? Inquiring minds want to know.

If you are a fan of Better Call Saul and enjoy podcasts, then you may want to check this one out. The hosts drill down very deeply into each episode and identify things that are not always apparent on the surface. Those of you who did not like the previous episode may wish to take a listen.

https://postshowrecaps.com/category/better-call-saul/

[cj]

I've been ok with the season so far. But the finale stunk in my opinion. Curious what others think. Don't want to post any spoilers this early but I'm disappointed on where next season seems to be going regarding story lines. I assume next year will be the last.

[FantasticDan]

I've been ok with the season so far. But the finale stunk in my opinion. Curious what others think. Don't want to post any spoilers this early but I'm disappointed on where next season seems to be going regarding story lines. I assume next year will be the last.
Yes, next season is the last.

I'm sure some folks will view last nite's season finale as anti-climactic, but it's not all that surprising. All the characters still have more of a role to play..

Basically the biggest thing to come from last night is that Dark Kim is FOR REAL :eek: :D

[ElKabong]

Different strokes I guess. I liked it, and it sets up for a great season to come. Lalo is out for revenge, Kim is all in with Saul/ Jimmy. How does Lalo deal with Saul from here out... Nacho on the run, does Gus have his back or is he on his own with Lalo

[cj]

Different strokes I guess. I liked it, and it sets up for a great season to come. Lalo is out for revenge, Kim is all in with Saul/ Jimmy. How does Lalo deal with Saul from here out... Nacho on the run, does Gus have his back or is he on his own with Lalo

I think I've just grown weary of the over the top Lalo. Saul should be the least of his worries, Nacho and Gus far bigger. We'll see i guess, just didn't want all this Lalo. I don't find him a very good character.

[FantasticDan]

I think I've just grown weary of the over the top Lalo. Saul should be the least of his worries, Nacho and Gus far bigger. We'll see i guess, just didn't want all this Lalo. I don't find him a very good character.

I don't mind the character, but he makes a pretty weak taco :D

https://youtu.be/OZwbCsONsSE

[TJDave]

Yes, next season is the last.

I'm sure some folks will view last nite's season finale as anti-climactic, but it's not all that surprising. All the characters still have more of a role to play..

Basically the biggest thing to come from last night is that Dark Kim is FOR REAL :eek: :D

I found the entire season 5 to be anticlimactic. Especially since we had to wait endlessly for it.
Kim showed her true colors back when she conned the stockbroker. Sealed the deal when she kept Mesa Verde after she knew Jimmy f***ed over his brother.
The show has gotten lazy. I feel like it’s just stringing me along.

[Longshot6977]

I don't mind the character, but he makes a pretty weak taco :D

https://youtu.be/OZwbCsONsSE

LOL, the overfilled taco at 0:58 is certainly not the same one at 1:06. They took a lot of meat out since he can't make a good taco and it couldn't be folded.

[TJDave]

So...

When can we expect Season 6?

I’m running out of things to watch. Did COVID push this back another year?

[tucker6]

So...

When can we expect Season 6?

I’m running out of things to watch. Did COVID push this back another year?

Have you watched season one of True Detective? The Outsider?

[TJDave]

Have you watched season one of True Detective? The Outsider?

I’ll try the Outsider. TD isn’t on Prime.

[tucker6]

I’ll try the Outsider. TD isn’t on Prime.

The star power in some of these streaming series is incredible. In TD, you have Matthew McConaughey, Woody Harrelson, and more. I remember a time when stars wouldn’t be caught dead during a series or commercial. No longer. Besides, TD was like an 8 hour movie. Great acting job by Matthew.

[JustRalph]

The star power in some of these streaming series is incredible. In TD, you have Matthew McConaughey, Woody Harrelson, and more. I remember a time when stars wouldn’t be caught dead during a series or commercial. No longer. Besides, TD was like an 8 hour movie. Great acting job by Matthew.

They are getting huge money from streaming services.

Rumor is Mathew Mconaughey has hit his magic millions number and is going to retire and run for Governor of Texas. His family is pretty well known.

[Rohirrim]

So...

When can we expect Season 6?

I’m running out of things to watch. Did COVID push this back another year?
It pretty much did. Giancarlo Esposito recently said they're hopefully going back to film in March, which pushes the show to the end of 2021 or beginning of 2022. Probably the latter.

Since you're on Prime, have you watched all six seasons of Bosch? It's a good show, and terrific for binge watching.

[TJDave]

I waited 2 years for this???
Amazing. :mad:

[PhantomOnTour]

For crying out loud.

This show moves soooooo slowly.
It's painful to watch.
I have to start recording it so I can fast forward through the 1min of silence that begins every scene.

[NorCalGreg]

I thought the series finale, the take-off on "American Greed" was absolutely brilliant...right down to the narrating by AG narrator Stacy Keach.

I had to sign up for a trial on the AMC channel to see it. The channel didn't have much else of interest-I just canceled when the week-long trial ran out.

[classhandicapper]

Disappointing so far.

[Longshot6977]

I'm glad I had my TV reminders set from last episode. What a nice surprise. Looks great so far. I hope you guys got to see it tonite.

[Longshot6977]

This episode was jam packed with action and suspense. It was one of the best BCS episodes in a while. This easily could have been a season ending episode instead of a season opener. :ThmbUp:

[Dave Schwartz]

What is the verdict on this final season?

Is it worthwhile?

The bar is so high these days with all the wonderful dramas available.

[classhandicapper]

This episode was jam packed with action and suspense. It was one of the best BCS episodes in a while. This easily could have been a season ending episode instead of a season opener. :ThmbUp:

I agree.

The season has been disappointing, but imo last night's episode was very good.

[Longshot6977]

Finally, the episode many of us were waiting for. Huge time jump in this one towards Breaking Bad. Saul transformation now complete. And I'm sure we'll all miss Kim. Maybe she'll make a quick appearance before BCS ends. And I loved Don Eladio mocking Hector S. with the bell ringing, LOL A very good episode again.

[MutuelClerk]

Strange, strange show. It's been the slowest moving good show I've ever seen. And now, they try and wrap it all up in a bow. Killing Kim off would have been much more believable than what's happening now. These writers fell in love with themselves. I'm still watching but it's been disappointing to me.

[Bustin Stones]

The writers may have run out of twists, but the acting is still top notch. The one cool twist that they put in was when she said she couldn't continue the case because she's no longer an attorney. I dare you to find anyone who saw that twist coming.

[JustRalph]

Strange, strange show. It's been the slowest moving good show I've ever seen. And now, they try and wrap it all up in a bow. Killing Kim off would have been much more believable than what's happening now. These writers fell in love with themselves. I'm still watching but it's been disappointing to me.

Amen. I guess you can’t kill him off since he ended up on Breaking Bad ……which introduced the character

I hope they round out the character “Mike”.

[Jeff P]

If the writers stick to the original story line you know how it has to end right?

Saul decides it's time to hit the hyperspace button (1980's Defender arcade game reference) and spends several days with Walter White in the basement of the Marine's vacuum cleaner repair shop while they await new identities.

Afterwards, he ends up managing a Cinnabon at a mall in Omaha.

I recall one of the foreshadowing sequences at the beginning of a past episode where Saul is sitting at a table in the mall food court when an arrest goes down. He draws attention to himself by standing up and shouting to the guy who's being arrested about his rights.

If I had to hazard a guess at how it ends:

Saul might suspect he was made by someone working for the cartel who just happened to be watching the guy who got arrested in that food court scene.

What do you do now that your fake identity is blown?

No matter how the writers decide to wrap it up I'll be watching.

I've really enjoyed every episode of Breaking and Bad Better Call Saul (but haven't had free time to watch beyond episodes 1 and 2 of the current final season yet,) and the movie they made about Jessie's character.


-jp

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[cj]

Only two to go after tonight, finally got to see Walter and Jesse. It was well done I thought.

[Longshot6977]

I think we're gonna find out next week what the mysterious phone call was about where Gene smashes up the phone booth. Maybe Kim got remarried? Maybe she told him to leave her alone and move on? We'll see.

[JustRalph]

I think we're gonna find out next week what the mysterious phone call was about where Gene smashes up the phone booth. Maybe Kim got remarried? Maybe she told him to leave her alone and move on? We'll see.

Too bad we don’t get to see her get revenge on anybody. That would be cool

[MutuelClerk]

It looked like Jesse didn't really want to be there. He also looked about 50 years old. I'll be glad when it's over. This show is like a horse on lead you bet that's desperate for the wire.