Another Asian Airliner Goes Missing

[ReplayRandall]

Can't believe we're seeing another airliner mysteriously vanishing from the area of Singapore........

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/contact-with-airasia-flight-qz8501-bound-for-singapore-from-surabaya-lost-033803688.html

[Marshall Bennett]

Lots of bad weather where it went missing. It's been 12 hours, however, I suspect something more.
Here we go again?
Commercial pilots deal with bad weather routinely, and how often do large airliners go missing?

[wisconsin]

Lots of bad weather where it went missing. It's been 12 hours, however, I suspect something more.
Here we go again?
Commercial pilots deal with bad weather routinely, and how often do large airliners go missing?

At 40 minutes, that plane should have been above any poor weather conditions.

[FocusWiz]

At 40 minutes, that plane should have been above any poor weather conditions.Are you sure of that?

Most weather sources described storms with thunderheads as high as 50,000 feet. I don't think commercial airlines fly that high. CNN reported that he was increasing altitude to 34,000 feet (some reports say 38,000) and changing direction to go around some of the larger storms.

[davew]

bad news when it takes off at 5:30 in the morning and not found that day.

[HUSKER55]

ever get the feeling everyone is going down a rabbit hole?

[wisconsin]

Are you sure of that?

Most weather sources described storms with thunderheads as high as 50,000 feet. I don't think commercial airlines fly that high. CNN reported that he was increasing altitude to 34,000 feet (some reports say 38,000) and changing direction to go around some of the larger storms.


That's why I said "should". I was not aware of the high tops, but they all were not 50,000, just some. That plane could fly at 40,000 feet if it had to. Very rare for a weather related loss "in flight".

[FocusWiz]

I agree, the plane behind it (not far behind it) was flying at 38,000 feet and apparently did not report any turbulence and it is reported that he was changing direction to go around the others.

[FocusWiz]

ever get the feeling everyone is going down a rabbit hole?No. Do you think this is a hoax or some kind of conspiracy?

I think there is credible evidence being reported of a "lost" plane. There have been reports of problems and fixes with this model related to weather-related issues. The reports have not stated whether the known changes have yet been applied to this particular aircraft.

[Marshall Bennett]

It's destination may well have been the same as the Malaysian airliner. Two planes missing within 9 months of each other. What are the odds of that?
May well be jumping to conclusions here, but any intelligent orchestration involving foul-play might include choosing a flight where weather would be an issue. This would concentrate the search there and away from the intended destination.
All added up, it has a pretty bad smell to it.

[fast4522]

On this one its too soon to make a call, the odds are greater of a huge amount of debris with this one.

[Robert Fischer]

ever get the feeling everyone is going down a rabbit hole?

The conspiracy stuff is funny.

On one hand you have nuts concocting ridiculous theories.

On the other hand you have sheep who think that because the tv or website says something happened, that it must then be truthful.

[Clocker]

This should keep CNN busy 24/7 for the foreseeable future. :p

[Tom]

CNN producers are drooling today....they can re-sue that Twilight Zone poster this year! :bang:

[fast4522]

If your a real gambler you know the odds of not finding personal belongings floating are very high with this one.

[tucker6]

I used to take a similar flight to Singapore when I lived in Surabaya back in the early 90's. If they can't find wreckage of this plane today (it's 8am over there now), then it's been stolen. The search area is infinitely smaller than for flight 870. I have a hunch they find some wreckage.

[davew]

I used to take a similar flight to Singapore when I lived in Surabaya back in the early 90's. If they can't find wreckage of this plane today (it's 8am over there now), then it's been stolen. The search area is infinitely smaller than for flight 870. I have a hunch they find some wreckage.


?? computer hackers ??

[MutuelClerk]

It's almost like 3 card monte flying out there.

[boxcar]

Maybe the Bermuda Triangle relocated.

[horses4courses]

Sunday morning's Fox and Friends show host,
Anna Kooiman, figures it's the metric system that
caused the AirAsia crash. Jesus H. .................... :bang:

http://samuel-warde.com/2014/12/fox-says-metric-system-brought-airasia-flight-video/

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[Clocker]

Sunday morning's Fox and Friends show host,
Anna Kooiman, figures it's the metric system that
caused the AirAsia crash. Jesus H. .................... :bang:




That's a lot more rational than the guy on CNN that suggested that the missing Malaysia Airlines plane might have gone into a black hole. At least she provides some eye candy.

[Clocker]

CNN producers are drooling today....

"News of a missing plane has arrived and CNN couldn’t care any less about anything else happening in the world.

"That was apparent Sunday as the Turner network’s two predominant Sunday morning shows, “State of the Union” and “Reliable Sources,” each cancelled their entire lineups to talk about the missing AirAsia plane."

[horses4courses]

That's a lot more rational than the guy on CNN that suggested that the missing Malaysia Airlines plane might have gone into a black hole. At least she provides some eye candy.

It's BS is what it is.
How can the entire world not come to a screeching
halt with different systems of measurement?

I will admit that CNN is no better, however.
They are fixated with this type of mystery.

[HUSKER55]

so they have not found the plane nor any wreckage yet?

[JustRalph]

It's BS is what it is.
How can the entire world not come to a screeching
halt with different systems of measurement?

I will admit that CNN is no better, however.
They are fixated with this type of mystery.

Try these famous examples


http://spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/weekly/6Page53.pdf

[Clocker]

It's BS is what it is.



It's show business is what it is.

She wasn't hired for her math skills. :cool:

[horses4courses]

It's show business is what it is.

She wasn't hired for her math skills. :cool:

Yeah.
I wonder who gets to put together her annual performance appraisal? :lol:

[davew]

It's BS is what it is.
How can the entire world not come to a screeching
halt with different systems of measurement?

I will admit that CNN is no better, however.
They are fixated with this type of mystery.

It has happened before in Canada - a filling units error and jet airplane ran out of fuel at 41,000 feet. I am not sure if the black hole thing happened before.

http://mathspig.wordpress.com/2009/10/20/6-air-canada-flight-143/

[Tom]

Didn't a metric error screw up a telescope put into orbit, costing millions?

[tucker6]

Didn't a metric error screw up a telescope put into orbit, costing millions?
I think it was a landing on Mars. It hit the ground just before thrusters were initiated for descent. As Maxwell Smart would say, "missed it by thatmuch". :D

[tucker6]

They found the wreckage and a couple bodies...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/30/world/asia/airasia-missing-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[fast4522]

more than a couple.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/12/30/air-asia-search-day-three/

[tucker6]

so much for the conspiracy theories. Leading theory is that the pilot climbed too steeply and lost lift.

[fast4522]

http://news.yahoo.com/airasia-plane-159-aboard-overshoots-philippine-runway-120615389.html

[FocusWiz]

Actually, since the request to climb was denied (or deferred), the leading theory is the affects of icing and/or hail from the nearby thunderstorm caused the lack of lift and/or damaged the engines.

Climbing too steeply despite the denied request is still a possibility. Another theory surrounds the speed indicators and their reaction to the harsh weather conditions similar to the problem with the Air France Flight 447. Supposedly, this model was not susceptible to the same problems with icing of the pitot tubes.

[tucker6]

Actually, since the request to climb was denied (or deferred), the leading theory is the affects of icing and/or hail from the nearby thunderstorm caused the lack of lift and/or damaged the engines.

Climbing too steeply despite the denied request is still a possibility. Another theory surrounds the speed indicators and their reaction to the harsh weather conditions similar to the problem with the Air France Flight 447. Supposedly, this model was not susceptible to the same problems with icing of the pitot tubes.
Pilots that have seen a screen shot of the flight data from air traffic control as it was happening indicate that the pilot ignored traffic control and indeed started a climb. We'll see soon as the data recorders and wreckage are in shallow water (80-100 feet).

[FocusWiz]

I agree...it will be revealed eventually.

Just for those who have not been following this too closely, here is one source for information that the plane was much higher than the reported 32,000 feet:

https://twitter.com/GerryS/status/549075001173766144/photo/1

and here is the flight history that may cut off just prior to the climb referred to above:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/pk-axc/#5240449

[Marshall Bennett]

Would take a dire emergency for me to fly on any East Asian based airlines. The pilot that rammed the seawall in SF wasn't even certified to be a pilot. They fly over hostile war-zones and get shot down. They disappear entirely, and now this. Even the most extreme weather shouldn't bring down a modern airliner this size. Odds are this pilot continued the trend and blew it in some fashion or another.
I heard earlier that some European nations won't allow a few Asian airlines in their airspace, probably for good reason.

[JustRalph]

Pilot shortage everywhere

Could be a factor

[davew]

they did not have a license to fly that route on Sundays.

[Tom]

With the technology today, why don't they send the black box data to the cloud (from the clouds) and not rely on having to find the box?

[tucker6]

With the technology today, why don't they send the black box data to the cloud (from the clouds) and not rely on having to find the box?
Because it's much easier and cheaper to dredge the ocean floor with 20 ships and 30 airplanes. :rolleyes:

Edit to add that Malaysia has spent $10M this year alone along with 3,732 people on search and rescue and they didn't even participate in any search and rescue efforts?? :confused: Total global search and rescue cost for MH370 is in the hundreds of millions.

[davew]

They have been slowly finding bodies and discovering locations of plane parts at bottom of sea. A couple large sonar readings have been sunken ships.

I also heard that the storm they were traveling into had temperature readings as low as -162 degrees. (could that be possible?)

They should find the black boxes from this one, as opposed to the flight last year that is assumed was heading towards antartica (which may be found by accident in the next 100 years, similar to things being found from WWII and earlier now).


That -162 must have been a screw-up by me or wherever I might have saw it, as there were 162 people on board the flight.

[tucker6]

They have been slowly finding bodies and discovering locations of plane parts at bottom of sea. A couple large sonar readings have been sunken ships.

I also heard that the storm they were traveling into had temperature readings as low as -162 degrees. (could that be possible?)

They should find the black boxes from this one, as opposed to the flight last year that is assumed was heading towards antartica (which may be found by accident in the next 100 years, similar to things being found from WWII and earlier now).


That -162 must have been a screw-up by me or wherever I might have saw it, as there were 162 people on board the flight.
Dave,

Yeah, the -162 is not correct. At the 30-40,000 foot range, temps often get to -70 and -80, but not -162.

[Marshall Bennett]

Unless it's a Malaysian thermometer. :cool:

[ReplayRandall]

Singapore Airlines Flight 836, flying from Singapore to Shanghai, lost power mid-flight on both of its Rolls-Royce engines:

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-singapore-airlines-flight-836-lost-engine-mid-flight-2015-5